[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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Tbh I'm just wondering what the heck is going to happen on MJ's birthday because we all know that stuff like this seems to happen close to important dates.
 
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^^That's a good point. CNN came out with a story debunking the fake "FBI files" a few years ago. How can we get them involved in this one-it's just as bad or worse bc people are now adding the FBI file story TO this one.

Exactly, the whole anti-Jackson agenda is now virtually built as virtual reality based on literally fictitious evidence, where there are only fake and distorted facts and unreal evidence.
Its like connecting dots to make a fictitious picture about MJ, he is dead, but still tried by the public virtual court with neverending accusations.
the worse, he better.
I am personally more pissed off now then in 2003-2005.

After 2009 it seemed like MJ was finally rehabilitated or vindicated, the Jackson hysteria was monstrous making billions, and... at some point.... the things have changed... like the tabloid media would NOT want MJ to be vindicated with positive legacy.
Even Murray trial formally vindicated MJ.

I do think that the stupid AEG trial has caused the mess and tabloid frenzy.
I have not got it why the jacksons aka Katherine ever sued AEG and wanted the 40 billion BS money. It was one of the most ridiculous and worst things for KJ or whoever advised her that, it was pointless, BS.

And at the very same time, Robson hit the media world (2013), the fake FBI stories hit the tabloid world (2013) and since then..... everything has been getting worse and worse... and now... every single BS thing is connected into one BIG posthumous conspiracy, again.
Even the 1993 case is involved and something relevant, and most of the people are mixing it all together...

And MJ Estate is ignoring that.
Mainstream media and journalists are ignoring that, they dont have to defend MJ, but inform the society and world about the monstrous legal perversion of the tabloid BS stories.
thats it, its not about MJ anymore.
 
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Tbh I'm just wondering what the heck is going to happen on MJ's birthday because we all know that stuff like this seems to happen close to important dates.

I would not be surprised if the pics of MJs genitals leaked. Or another accuser will appear, or a new accusation, or someone will die....
 
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That's good to hear-to me, it seems like it's spreading like wildfire-but if you heard nothing, maybe it's just overblown. Glad to hear that.

Well to be fair, I was in the mountains with no internet/TV so there was little chance of me hearing about it even if it was in the news.. But I did speak to a friend the other day and she was talking about how some radio channel back home had 'MJ day' on June 25th, I asked her if he'd been in the news and she hadn't heard anything about it at all, so that's good I guess!
 
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I think this story has died down. Radar did their piece, it got circulated. Rebuttals, statements were done, those got circulated as well. Radar is back to desperate two stories a day about MJ routine but every other media moved on. None of the "new" Radar stories are getting picked up.
 
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I think this story has died down. Radar did their piece, it got circulated. Rebuttals, statements were done, those got circulated as well. Radar is back to desperate two stories a day about MJ routine but every other media moved on. None of the "new" Radar stories are getting picked up.

I DO NOT AGREE.
Rebuttals? Statements?
Where? Those a few... that are overlooked and known only for MJ fans....

Even MJ fan community can not live in a bubble ignoring the media and tabloid world.
We can not underestimate the sick impact of MJs legacy.
These BS stories are everywhere, spreading like cancer infecting the legacy of MJ.

People are even more infected with the anti.Jackson hatred believing in these degenerated stories than ever before!
Radar - and whoever is behind this - consciously did create the pedophile profile of MJ.

If MJ was formally vindicated in 2005, in 2009 he was cleared of the myth, his death was the vindication of itself.

But now... its completely different.

We as the MJ community have to think of the impact of these fake BS stories more than in 2005.

MJ Estate is failing in protection of MJs legacy.
The pedo profile is stronger than ever before.
Imagine..., what can people think... if they buy a ticket for MJ One show in Vegas, or... will they buy a ticket?
Will any MJ project be accepted by the public again?

The tabloid media and conspirators have needed the most disgusting profile for a human being, they wanted MJ to be labeled a pedo forever, the pedo myth is fed with neverending BS stories and nobody wants to stop it?
REALLY?
The question is not - what we/fans can do, but who can really protect MJs legacy... and everybody relevant is silent.
 
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I thought Taj said he was gonna do something bout this...do they even care bout michael's kids?
 
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I thought Taj said he was gonna do something bout this...do they even care bout michael's kids?

oh... and where are those celeb friends... who could defend MJ?

the mainstream media - silent.
the celeb so-called friends - silent.
MJ Estate - silent.
Prince (and Paris) (they are adults now) - silent, Paris did write something, but... hey... a weak reaction.
... and the only fighters are the MJ fans who are attacked not only online, but also by their friends and family members in 2016...! Helllo....?

MJ fans are supposed to support MJ, MJ Estate wants us to buy albums, tickets, watch tv specials etc... and be supportive, but we are the only ones who suffer the attacts of the media and haters and those... who now believe more tabloid than real facts.
MJ fans are confronted with everything, we are the lawyers who defend MJ, but we are the real victims, yes, we are!

Its so frustrating to know that we are not supported by MJ Estate in that fight.
 
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I think Paris did a good statement on Twitter a few days ago but problem she and her brothers are not backed or supported by the estate which makes things f****led up!
 
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I DO NOT AGREE.
Rebuttals? Statements?
Where? Those a few... that are overlooked and known only for MJ fans....

both jackson family tweets and estate's comment to the media and even zonen's statement have made rounds and reported by several sites including People etc. Guess what? Those sites have more visitors than Radar.
 
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So true. There have been several positive articles which I have bookmarked and have tried to keep clicking on. Those are the ones that fans need to keep sending around if we want to see more of them and not the RO and DM etc..That only helps to market the lies they are printing. Free marketing in a sense, without fans being aware their being used to help promote them.
 
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I agree. Let's just do our part and send out the few rebuttal articles we can and watch for more to share here. I know I've said the Santa Barbara sheriffs office and Prosecuting DA Zonen have both said there was No child porn and have rebutted Radars story in quite a few comment sections. And YouTube. Ive seen people sending links to the photographer's statement as well.
The estate is working on the Robson/Safechuck cases and we need them to concentrate on that primarily. They know they have to win that or yes, legacy is over and forget about future sales and future shows. Until that's over, we won't have rest from the tabloids. Hopefully, they will hire a good PR firm that will help with this nonsense.
 
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I agree. Let's just do our part and send out the few rebuttal articles we can and watch for more to share here. I know I've said the Santa Barbara sheriffs office and Prosecuting DA Zonen have both said there was No child porn and have rebutted Radars story in quite a few comment sections. And YouTube. Ive seen people sending links to the photographer's statement as well.
The estate is working on the Robson/Safechuck cases and we need them to concentrate on that primarily. They know they have to win that or yes, legacy is over and forget about future sales and future shows. Until that's over, we won't have rest from the tabloids. Hopefully, they will hire a good PR firm that will help with this nonsense.

I feel everyone's pain, frustrates me too. The upside is that this salacious gossip has been debunked. If any of this garbage was used in the Robson/Safechuck affair it would only underline the lies and sheer desperation. I am just angry that the lies merit lots of column inches but the rebuttal gets so much less.
 
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"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Winston Churchill
 
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How come there is no info about Safechuck's demurrer? It had to be decided already. Strange that there's total silence even from haters.
I don't see how that demurrer could survive given that unlike with Robson the companies had no relationship with Safechuck at all.
 
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I think with the situation it is very disheartening and very much unfair. The thing to remember is that there will be many battles along the way. Some we may even seem to loose in our minds, but in our Hearts we know the ultimate goal is to win the war. As things have dragged out for so long seemly past 30 years now. The end result is coming near. As it may seem there is a lack of support, when it most counts it will be there that we must believe. Tabloid trash and untruth shall not prevail in the court of law or in the minds of people with any common sense.
 
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both jackson family tweets and estate's comment to the media and even zonen's statement have made rounds and reported by several sites including People etc. Guess what? Those sites have more visitors than Radar.


... all sites copied and spread the Radars BS articles, so its not about visiting sites, but spreading the BS articles and the impact that has caused the monstrous damage on MJs legacy.

... and I dont see any rebuttal articles or official sources.

I think that most of MJ fans underestimate the damage, its even worse than after 2003 and the 2005 trial.
 
I don't get the purpose of this one

Michael Jackson's 2005 Child-Molestation Trial: Journalists Remember the Public Frenzy, Porn, Hijinks
7/1/2016 by Steve Knopper

For CNN's Miguel Marquez, the most surreal day of Michael Jackson's child-molestation trial was March 25, 2005, when the prosecution spent hours displaying images from Barely Legal, Purely 18, Live Young Girls, Finally Legal Freshman Class Orgy and other similar magazines seized from Neverland Ranch. Those in the courtroom, from Michael's parents to the rows of TV and print reporters, slogged through an all-day showing of big-screen pornography. "We're all sitting in back of poor Mrs. Jackson," Marquez tells Billboard. "At one point, she started nodding off. And they put on the screen Busty and Over 50, to which the entire gallery started laughing—it was the one 'off.' And Mrs. Jackson wakes up and says, 'What's going on?' And it's: 'Oh, more porn... '" That one stuck with me."

Jackson's trial lasted from the day Tom Sneddon, the Santa Barbara County district attorney, filed charges on December 18, 2003, to the jury's not-guilty verdict on June 13, 2005. It had extreme moments of drama and spectacle befitting the King of Pop, like the day of his first court appearance, when he jumped on top of a black SUV and performed dance steps to a screaming crowd, or the day he showed up in court in pajamas. (And there was the porn, which prosecutors intended to show as evidence of Jackson's boy-loving depravity, but, in a twisted way, it established him as a straight male.) But for reporters who covered the trial, all day, every day, to huge cable-television audiences and print circulations, it was a grueling process that began daily at 8:30 a.m., ended promptly at 2:30 p.m. and contained just a few short breaks, not even enough to grab lunch.

"It felt like an eight-hour economy-class flight every single day," says Marquez, who covered the trial for CNN, then ABC, and has since returned to CNN as a reporter. "You were all squeezed into this courtroom with the first-class passengers—Michael Jackson and his family. And the cattle car—the rest of us—we were all squeezed together."

Jackson's trial was similar to those of O.J. Simpson, Scott Peterson and others, all covered wall-to-wall by cable television and drawing thousands of fans and gawkers. But Judge Rodney Melville closed the courtroom to live media, unlike Simpson's trial, giving more weight to reporters' brief daily reports. Also, nobody had more fans than Jackson. "It was always a frenzy -- all these rock radio stations who would send one of their interns up to report back live to Moonbeam and Johnny in the Morning, or whatever," says Bruce Rheins, a retired CBS Evening News producer who covered the trial. "We had, like, [the late TV star] Gary Coleman reporting for some station for a while."

Peter Shaplen, a freelance TV producer, coordinated the media pool, streamlined the information-gathering system so the 2,000 or so reporters on hand at the Santa Barbara Superior Courts, in Santa Maria, California, could take turns conducting interviews in an area he called the "green monster." He acted as a liaison between Melville, who had strict rules, including a courtroom cell phone ban, and the reporters. "One tried to hide a wireless microphone right under the window of the jury room," Shaplen says. "It kind of went in waves. But there was a structure to it and a respect for the process."

TV networks ruthlessly competed for scoops. ABC positioned a camera crew on Highway 101 between Santa Maria and Los Olivos, where Jackson lived at Neverland. So in March 2005 when Jackson didn't show up to court due to illness and Melville demanded the criminal defendant's immediate appearance, ABC caught the entourage speeding down the highway. "It was really the most intense thing I've ever covered," recalls Beth Tribolet, who ran ABC's operation. CBS reporters figured out where jurors parked their cars, took down license-plate numbers and worked sources to discern addresses, but ABC scored interviews with nine of the 12 by flying them to New York.

Like some reporters who covered the trial, notably Diane Dimond of Hard Copy, Jim Moret of Inside Edition believes Jackson is a child molester. He acknowledges the prosecution made a weak case, particularly in its reliance on the bizarre, finger-snapping testimony of Janet Arvizo, mother of the 10-year-old boy who accused Jackson of molestation. But he adds: "Are you asking in my gut, did I feel he was guilty? Yeah, I did." Other reporters were dismayed by the openly biased media experts and correspondents who took courtroom seats daily. "There were reporters [at the trial] who had dedicated much of their careers to, for some reason, exposing Michael Jackson as a molester," says Linda Deutsch, the veteran Associated Press trial reporter who filed regular reports from Santa Maria. "I never understood it. And it was very troubling."

Although Jackson received the best possible verdict, the public ordeal of the lengthy trial visibly took a toll on his health; reporters watched in the courtroom as he struggled to sit down and stand up and occasionally did stretching exercises during breaks. (He died on June 25, 2009.) "It was clear to everyone his health was suffering," says Peter Bowes, who covered the trial for BBC News. "He became frailer, a lot thinner—almost, I hate to use this phrase, zombie-like, as he walked in and out.... It was tragic to watch."
 
I agree with Ivy it is dying down and the reason why the main news channels are not pick it up like CNN or NBC ABC is because it is TB junk. no truth in it.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Winston Churchill

So true.
 
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I don't get the purpose of this one

Michael Jackson's 2005 Child-Molestation Trial: Journalists Remember the Public Frenzy, Porn, Hijinks
7/1/2016 by Steve Knopper."

This just appeared out of the blue?? Very strange. Disappointed in Jim Moret. As a Hollywood child, I'd expect him to be more empathetic to lifestyle differences. He's also had some fair and balanced reporting on Michael.
 
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... all sites copied and spread the Radars BS articles, so its not about visiting sites, but spreading the BS articles and the impact that has caused the monstrous damage on MJs legacy.

... and I dont see any rebuttal articles or official sources.

I think that most of MJ fans underestimate the damage, its even worse than after 2003 and the 2005 trial.
I disagee to a point that many fan underestimate the damage. Yes, MJ took at hit but I do not think it is to the level that some media outlets hope it would do to him. I even said this before he died. Yes, We as fans take things harder because we love him (And sorry NOT all Jackson fans visits, know about, or come to this website). Even with this latest nonsense, I do not think Most people is sitting around reading Radaronline crap. Yes, I will defend Jackson because I am on this site and I follow the news. As someone said, at this point, you either love MJ or not. Yes I will go after those sites or webs and write and let them know that We are not stupid in what they are doing; but I still keep it in perspetive that not all people are following this nonsense. Even today, I was at a family function (that is why I am typing late) and I told the famly and friends, who know I love MJ and they love MJ as well and we played some of his music at the cook out, about this latest stuff. Only two, other than me, heard about it and the rest of them did NOT and when we told them, ALL of them was like, as I have said "if MJ had child porn, they would have put Michael under the jail". And they continiue to say talk with anger. And one of my cousin said about the adult porn "Michael was a playa and we all (men) have adult porn." LoL. Anyway, I am justing saying. And the way MJ was mourned and his music is still selling, etc, THAT PROVED MJ was loved; but again, we sometimes let the haters, who talk the loudest, make some of us think that everyone is out to hate Michael. Not true.
 
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^^thats SO nice to hear. Truly.
 
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This just appeared out of the blue?? Very strange. Disappointed in Jim Moret. As a Hollywood child, I'd expect him to be more empathetic to lifestyle differences. He's also had some fair and balanced reporting on Michael.

Yeah just posted today on Billboard. A little odd. but kinda balanced. Mentioning porn made him look like a normal male, Linda Deutch criticizing biased media and even Jim Moret acknowledging the prosecution case was weak. Still seems to be odd.
 
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But he adds: "Are you asking in my gut, did I feel he was guilty? Yeah, I did."

Gut feeling. What an argument. LOL.
 
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Gut feeling. What an argument. LOL.
And there are others whose "gut feeling" tells them Michael was innocent, so what was the point of him saying that? And here is what else is telling. notice the two people in TABLOID media thought MJ was guilty but creditable journalist Like Ed Bradley, Linda D, Larry King, and others did NOT think MJ was guilty. That tells you something. Also, I want to add, the "behavior" of that mother says it all. To be behaving like that IN COURT while "claiming" someone molested your child further proves this was BS. If Jim Moret did not see that, then he clearly was depending on MJ going to jail to further his career like DD and is a fool.
 
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And there are others whose "gut feeling" tells them Michael was innocent, so what was the point of him saying that? And here is what else is telling. notice the two people in TABLOID media thought MJ was guilty but creditable journalist Like Ed Bradley, Linda D, Larry King, and others did NOT think MJ was guilty. That tells you something. Also, I want to add, the "behavior" of that mother says it all. To be behaving like that IN COURT while "claiming" someone molested your child further proves this was BS. If Jim Moret did not see that, then he clearly was depending on MJ going to jail to further his career like DD and is a fool.

Geraldo Rivera didn't think he was guilty either and he's tabloid. Or was deemed it at one time. He was that positive MJ would be found innocent he said he'd shave his moustache off if he wasn't. Now that doesn't sound like much, but he said he hadn't shaved it for something like 20 plus years!
 
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An excellent German article of art books found from MJ's house.
Google translator doesn't do the best job on translation, but I still find Radar being served:clapping:

https://www.perlentaucher.de/blog/614_michael_jackson_und_die_kinder.html?sh

Second paragraph translation made me rolf:

In the legal departments of major online booksellers is currently required to be working hard to limit the damage. Also various photo book publishers, galleries, review bodies, art booksellers and not least artists should arm themselves: all of you are likely to house searches, seizures and court cases are in the near future into the house. If one follows namely the recent revelations of American gossip blog Radar Online that has made with publications unfavorable photos of celebrities an excellent reputation as a serious journalistic medium of some rank, one could conclude that parts of the art world an underground network of active pedophiles form.

Click the link- re-tweet and share it.
 
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An excellent German article of art books found from MJ's house.
Google translator doesn't do the best job on translation, but I still find Radar being served:clapping:

https://www.perlentaucher.de/blog/614_michael_jackson_und_die_kinder.html?sh

Second paragraph translation made me rolf:

In the legal departments of major online booksellers is currently required to be working hard to limit the damage. Also various photo book publishers, galleries, review bodies, art booksellers and not least artists should arm themselves: all of you are likely to house searches, seizures and court cases are in the near future into the house. If one follows namely the recent revelations of American gossip blog Radar Online that has made with publications unfavorable photos of celebrities an excellent reputation as a serious journalistic medium of some rank, one could conclude that parts of the art world an underground network of active pedophiles form.

Click the link- re-tweet and share it.

Great. It's from the POV a blog that is about art. I am glad they point out the stupidity of the whole thing.
 
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I wrote an email to The Sun newspaper who wrote a story referring to MJ as a paedophile and called for his music to be banned on the radio in the UK. My email reads...

Kelvin Mackenzie should be ashamed of himself for his offensive and factually inaccurate column branding Michael Jackson a paedophile. The prosecution who tried desperately for years to nail Jackson confirmed this week that no illegal or underage material was ever found when the police raided Neverland. This sensationalist bogus story originates from an online gutter press website affiliated with The National Enquirer and only gained traction due to hack journalists such as Mackenzie who don't bother to check the accuracy and credibility of their sources before publishing.*
The reason why Michael Jackson's music is still celebrated (and rightfully so) is because he was acquitted by a jury of his peers, and this carries far more weight than some trashy, celebrity gossip rag who regularly sensationalise and post false/inaccurate stories. It is so wrong that the media is allowed to report distorted and manipulated facts and have people believing it without question. And as for Kelvin Mackenzie, well, it doesn't speak much for his so-called integrity as a journalist.

Have you received a response? I sent one directly to Mackenzie. He's an odious pr1ck. He said MJ's kids were better off with him dead when he died. I'm yet to receive an email back from him when I corrected his nonsense. Maybe it was ending the email with 'What I have said above is 'THE TRUTH (see what I did there)' which put him off responding.

The relevance of me putting 'THE TRUTH' is this:

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He is detested by many for this. This was in relation to the football/soccer Hillsborough Stadium Disaster in which 96 fans went to a game and never went home. He made out the fans were to blame as they were drunk, stopped police from performing CPR etc. The headline of 'THE TRUTH' angered many. None more so than the families.

It turned out that finally, after 27 years, they got their justice. Fans weren't to blame. The South Yorkshire police were who covered up the real story. It's a sad tale. If anybody wants to hear more then Youtube search for 'Hillsborough documentary 2016' and it's the ones with 'BBC Two' in the title. It mentions Mackenzie's infamous headline.

Mackenzie gets all worked up when mentioning Hillsborough to him. One brilliant reporter stood outside his house waiting for him to come out so he could question him. He even stopped him shutting his car door. Mackenzie deserves all he gets.

Sorry for going off topic, what I'm trying to say is, for those outside the UK, Mackenzie is an odious pr1ck with no dignity. Most know it too. He did something which will never be forgotten.
 
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You find what a shame.
 
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