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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think he is retired
 
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respect77 said:
Kelvin Mackenzie deliberately counts on the stupidity of tabloid readers.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_MacKenzie
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No surprise at all, and better stay away from the Sun altogether unless you want to become their target audience.

Justthefacts said:
I think he is retired
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Zonen? Ah he is indeed, just found article about it.
Still, its even worse that he puts the whole SB DA office in bad light by letting frogs out of his mouth.
 
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There you guys go again your awesome. #MJForever

The judge need to come over and see this thread.

1 Facts
2Evidence
3 Documents
4 The Law


It all here.
 
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Bubs said:
Zonen? Ah he is indeed, just found article about it.
Still, its even worse that he puts the whole SB DA office in bad light by letting frogs out of his mouth.
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Oh you better believe he was forced to backtrack, retired or no. Read his vile statements in the first article as opposed to the rebuttal article.
He not only made THEM look bad, but possibly criminal by withholding crucial evidence. I saw some of those comments calling the sheriffs office criminal.
 
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barbee0715 said:
Oh you better believe he was forced to backtrack, retired or no. Read his vile statements in the first article as opposed to the rebuttal article.
He not only made THEM look bad, but possibly criminal by withholding crucial evidence. I saw some of those comments calling the sheriffs office criminal.
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:rollin:
That would be something if somebody goes and sues them for withholding evidence and not putting MJ to jail even when they had bucket loads of evidence just sitting there to be discovered 11 years later:D

Aah, the thought of it makes me :rogerfriedman:
 
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Now that would be karma
 
This is our press release to the media concerning the matter

We 've had enough
In every journalism faculty around the world one of the foundation lessons is that the duty of the journalist (who performs functions for the benefit of society) is the objective exposition of the facts, without coloration of personal views- if these are judged necessary- should be presented at the end of the article.It is well known that any article requires a thorough investigation to ensure it has the corroboration of the published information.
Nowhere in the world is this principle being taught by concluding that there should be an exception to the above statute related with any story or reference tο the name of Michael Jackson.
What exactly vocation serves such inaccurate and unproven re-publications:
• The uncritical rehashing of a rejected indictment since 2003?
• Bold headlines that reproduce in the most yellow and cannibalistic way a despicable tabloid form which -for obvious reasons- distorted elements invoked nonexistent evidence and do not even recall their slanderous claims even after the denial came from the lips of the competent authorities?
• Recycling of such abominable article with the speed of lightning without even keeping up to appearances that require journalistic integrity, such as the use of conditions and events of "the alleged evidence" were "part of the indictment" and "presented at the 2004 court from which Michael Jackson » was solemnly innocent?
• Exploiting the fact that according to the US Legislation the deceased is helpless to further defend of his legacy due to the absence of penal provision which punishes the verbal outrage of the deseased?
• Indifference to the impact of recycling proven unsubstantiated rumors to the heirs of Michael Jackson?
As mindfull Greek citizens -who's the interest you are supposed to serve- as well as members of the first Greek Michael Jackson Fan Club MJHellas, recognized by the official MJ Estate, we invite you to immediately take the necessary actions to restore the truth. We invite you to do so, giving equal publicity in vindication and complete exoneration of the human and humanitarian Michael Jackson, relying on the evidence we present to facilitate your research. A survey you were supposed to have done, prior to any publication.
Behold the opportunity to stand up to the challenge and prove superior to any attempt of cultivating innuendos and smearing the reputation of the largest and most popular artist of all time.
Sincerely,
MJHellas Team
Sources:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/…/authorities-rebut-claims-…/ WASHINGTON TIMES
http://www.usatoday.com/…/michael-jackson-trial-c…/86249956/ USA TODAY
http://www.people.com/…/michael-jackson-estate-blasts-porn-… PEOPLE MAGAZINE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCthJf_rjOE True Crime part 1 - Greek subtitles (6 PARTS )
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
^ Well, he said it himself on the Mexico deposition: "I am not organized that way."

ETA: @1:10:45

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My goodness, isn't he the cutest thing ever there sipping his tea:D

Then he goes on 77, 78, 79...76 poor thing, why they bother him with such a silly questions:)
 
Another hit piece on RadarOnline. I am not sure rightly or wrongly but I post it so that no one feels tempted to go there. (Because earlier in this thread there were discussions about clicks and how should we handle it so that we do not give views to trash websites.) I didn't go to RO either, I saw it on another forum.

New claims relatives told cops he liked 'prepubescent' boys.


Michael Jackson‘s sordid secret life of creepy porn and perverted art was no secret to his family, RadarOnline.com has learned. According to an insider, his own relatives were grilled during the past investigation into child molestation claims against him — and there were even claims he had exposed some of them to his sick fetishes!

As Radar reported, Santa Barbara Police Detectives raided Jackson’s Neverland Ranch in 2003, looking for any trace of evidence to support child abuse allegations. Jackson was later cleared.

But in the process of digging into his dirty double life, cops interviewed two of the late “Beat It” singer’s family members about his creepy secrets, a source claimed, and authorities even worried that he may have victimized his own relatives!

One private investigator with direct knowledge of the raids told Radar, “The detectives’ report cites Michael even used sexy photos of his own nephews … in their underwear to excite young boys.”

Jackson had always taken a special interest in his nephews, the source claimed, even writing a letter to their late mother which warned her to “please read this article about child molestation and please read it to [your son] … it brings out how even your own relatives can be molesters of children, even uncles or aunts molesting nephews or nieces. Please read. Love MJ.”

The boys always denied they had been abused. But according to the source, when it came time to ask the family about these and other concerns, detectives were met with resistance.
Said the insider, “Jackson’s people got wind of it and Jackson spirited the relative off to an island. Well, when that person returned, Jackson had also purchased them a brand new car, which we understood, along with the trip, was to shut them up.”

Nevertheless, the source said the individual’s behavior still seemed to suggest that something was amiss in the Jackson home.

The individual “was home alone and invited two detectives in, offered refreshments and also offered that they would be unwilling to talk bad about Michael,” the source said.
“It was odd that this person wasn’t upset with the visit, and wasn’t upset that the detectives told them what they had suspected happened with Michael and this person never gave a real denial,” the source claimed.

Another family member was also interviewed but flatly denied any wrongdoing by the “Dangerous” singer, said the insider.
Still, the authorities continued their investigation, and flew to Las Vegas to meet with another close Jackson family member.
Said the source, “What he told us was eye-opening. He told us that Jackson had for years tried to hide his predilection for prepubescent boys. However, he said Jackson had also been addicted to all kinds of drugs and often was too screwed up to even realize that others were witnessing his touching little boys, caressing little boys and doing other untoward things.”

“This family member said he feared that there were several young relatives, including his own son, who may have been victims,” the source claimed. “He also told us that Katherine Jackson, more than anyone else, knew about her son’s activities with boys but was too embarrassed to do anything about it. He told us that Katherine implied that Hollywood turned Jackson gay, which had nothing to do with his being a pedophile.” Jackson had always insisted he was straight.

According to the source, the family member declined to testify at trial, however, telling investigators and friends that he’d be ostracized from the family or even killed if he did so.
Latoya Jackson had previously made her own bombshell claims that her brother was indeed a pedophile and that she and her mother had uncovered letters and canceled checks that Jackson paid to victims’ families.

However, she repeatedly refused to speak with law enforcement, which didn’t stop prosecutors from seriously considering calling her as a hostile witness during Jackson’s 2005 molestation trial — in which he ultimately was found not guilty.

“We thought, she had made some serious public allegations in the past against Jackson and having her on the stand, under oath, may have been a game changer. However, we thought it could ultimately undermine us too,” the law enforcement source said.
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It smells Stacy Brown.

There is every day an article now on RO. Totally, totally, absolutely planned and deliberate! It really is a concentrated attack on his character now on the week of his anniversary.

I guess we know now there is not low enough that the Robson/Safechuck team will go to get to that money. Incredibly what a vile piece of sh*t they turned out to be.
 
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How... how is this even LEGAL? At the very least, for every one of these lie-filled, trashy articles, is a dozen other articles covering the negative reaction to them. What a bunch of disgusting writers. Making a living telling lies, selling click-bait gutter trash... quite a legacy they're setting up for themselves.
 
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I hate those sons of bitches of Robson and Safechuck even more than the Arvizos. They have a c*nt mother who taught them to be cons since they were little children but they are not trying to attack Michael's character now that he's gone and can no longer defend himself; however, the other two pieces of shit pretended to love Michael and considering his friend for many years and not caring right now how much his poor children suffer for such despicable attacks to their father.
 
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Since he is using MJ's FAMILY for his source of information, can THEY FILE A FAMILY CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT AGAINST THIS RAG?
 
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they could sue and try to get him to reveal his source as they will claim non of them are the source
 
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Yes the family can sue. Don't listen to anyone who for sure will come to tell you they need to prove they suffered financially to win their case. Emotional damage is more than enough.
 
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Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
I hate those sons of bitches of Robson and Safechuck even more than the Arvizos. They have a c*nt mother who thought them to be cons since they were little children but they are not trying to attack Michael's character now that he's gone and can no longer defend himself; however, the other two pieces of shit pretended to love Michael and considering his friend for many years and not caring right now how much his poor children suffer for such despicable attacks to their father.
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Robson and Safechuck are absolutely the worse of these accusers. Who would have thought before 2013 that Robson would sink this low? I am more and more convinced he is a sociopath or a psychopath. And Safechuck is an opportunist.

Like you said the other accusers did it under the directions of their parents as kids, but these two have no excuse for what they do at all. They are absolutely the scum of this Earth.

This character assassination is so vile, they have no boundaries with the attacks - now even dragging MJ's kids into it, suggesting that MJ might have molested Prince. On the week of the seventh anniversary of that kid's father. What kind of evil is that?

mdiegee210 said:
Since he is using MJ's FAMILY for his source of information, can THEY FILE A FAMILY CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT AGAINST THIS RAG?
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elusive moonwalker said:
they could sue and try to get him to reveal his source as they will claim non of them are the source
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Taj mentioned on Twitter that he would look into the possibility of suing for what papers are claiming about them regarding those photos. I am afraid that RO will try to get out of it hiding behind the Shield Law but I wonder if there is more basis to a lawsuit now that they keep repeating this lie about 3T despite of them repeatedly saying it was not true. I do think there might be basis to sue here despite of the Shield Law. Hopefully.
 
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I have little hope. They always talk the talk ......
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
they could sue and try to get him to reveal his source as they will claim non of them are the source
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No other source other than Stacy B throwing up all over Radar and they came up with this stinky piece. Everybody knows that Taj released that note from MJ to his mom to the media to defend MJ and now the same note is being used against Michael.

I believe Radar writes their garbage in a away that people think they really have investigator providing them inside info to fool people, but they only have Stacy B.
 
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respect77 said:
I honestly think fans are the most knowledgable on these issues. I have seen the Daily Fail yesterday get on their high horse about fans saying that they defend MJ out of blind devotion and denial, however "reasonable" people (I guess whoever thinks they can base a knowledgable opinion and fair judgement on a manipulatively written Daily Mail article...) know he was guilty. The irony of it when their article was full of falsehoods, starting with the fact that they think this document is some new bombshell information that "exposes" something and that no one has ever seen before. When fans have it (along with everything else from the trial) for years. When fans know all the ins and outs of the trial and the cases, when many of us discuss these things regularly.

And no, just because we are MJ fans it doesn't mean it gets in the way of our judgement. Frankly, it's insulting to say that those people who actually DID research on the case are basing their opinion on emotion while those who base their opinion on manipulative tabloid articles and know nothing about the case are the rational ones. How ridiculous is that?

I am a fan but if during that research I would have come away with the conclusion that MJ was guilty I would say so. I love Michael but the truth is imortant to me. So I do not think MJ is innocent just because I am a fan. I base my opinion on very much rational and objective arguments and facts, not on emotion. Certainly there are fans who are not that informed about the allegations and are going simply by gut feeling and emotion, and who do not use very good arguments in debates, but there are many fans who actually do research, a lot more than these damn journalists will ever do. Actually, it's extremely rare that I read an article about the allegations where I feel the journalist did his or her research or has a deep knowledge about the issue. It's mostly just surface stuff that they are aware of. It's fans who have the most knowledge. It's unfortunate that what we have to say often gets tossed aside with a "you are a fan, you are biased" when it's not important who we are the important thing is what we say and how much it is supported by facts and how true it is. Everyone is biased not just fans. Haters are biased. The media is biased - they have an interest in sensationalize things. Even much of the general public is biased, depending on what personal experiences they have (eg. those who are survivors of sexual abuse tend to have a bias for the alleged victims, or tabloid readers definitely have a bias against MJ due to the decades long brainwashing, people have a bias based on generally what they think about MJ's looks, "weirdness" etc.) That you are a fan doesn't automatically mean you are wrong. Don't tell me I am biased so my argument doesn't matter rather refute my argument if you disagree! If you can I may reconsider it. But they do not even know about the basics of the case. They are the ones actually who base an opinion on emotion.

I know your point was slightly different, I just had to get it off my chest and point out that the Daily Fail who couldn't get a thing right in their article about the case accuses fans of blind devotion and considers themselves and their uninformed readers the voice of reason is the irony of the century.
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I completely agree.
 
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respect77 said:
Robson and Safechuck are absolutely the worse of these accusers. Who would have thought before 2013 that Robson would sink this low? I am more and more convinced he is a sociopath or a psychopath. And Safechuck is an opportunist.

Like you said the other accusers did it under the directions of their parents as kids, but these two have no excuse for what they do at all. They are absolutely the scum of this Earth.

This character assassination is so vile, they have no boundaries with the attacks - now even dragging MJ's kids into it, suggesting that MJ might have molested Prince. On the week of the seventh anniversary of that kid's father. What kind of evil is that?
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I don't blame Jordan for what his evil, mother f*cker father did to him in 1993 but I hate him just as much as I hate Robson and Safechuck even if they're more low-life bastards than he is because he could've done the right thing since he's no longer under his father's yoke but Jordan is a coward, not much of a man who doesn't want lose his blood money. I highly doubt he will ever tell the truth.
 
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respect77 said:
There is every day an article now on RO. Totally, totally, absolutely planned and deliberate! It really is a concentrated attack on his character now on the week of his anniversary.
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It is. Yesterday they published a piece in which Oxman was defending MJ explaining how the books were art collection etc. He did a decent job. However Radar's headline and narrative was still bad.
 
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Ew oxman. Thats a blast from the past. They are all making a few $$ out of this. Good business for them all
 
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Can Prince and Paris sue RO at least? I don't expect anything legally from the siblings or nephews, TBH.
 
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Anyone can sue anyone.whether it gets anywhere... kids could sue for emotional distress
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
kids could sue for emotional distress
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only if they actually suffer from emotional distress. making claim of emotional distress isn't enough, it should be medically verified.
 
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I read on another forum that now RadarOnline deleted pages from their initial 88-page document that they posted on Monday because now it's just 60 pages. Apparently they are trying to cover themselves because the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department mentioned the document was mixed with content taken from the internet.

Pathetic dishonest liars.
 
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I wrote a letter a letter to Vanity Fair "Laural Bradley". I have not seen them post the retraction. I wrote a very professional letter.
 
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... and guys, imagine the situation that all the allegations and attempts by Robson and co..... will be completely destroyed by the judge who can completely reject all the complaints - based on NO evidence and no charges and trial will ever happen.

They would be completely lost and trapped in their filthy game and I can imagine the media reactions........
Who will be blamed for that?
Dead MJ?
 
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