[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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Interesting find. Well one of the photographers from the RO article is a bit ticked according to this article in the CBC. He is a Canadian photographer from Ottawa and is now aware that his photo of the girl who resembles Jonbenet Ramsay was one of the ones shown in the article.
Note the date the photo was shot..2008. 5 years after the initial raid on Neverland. The article says 3 years, but the 1st raid was on Nov. 18, 2003.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-artist-photo-michael-jackson-1.3651598

And the Daily Mail knows who he is too..From April 23, 2011
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1379780/Art-exploitation-Photographer-uses-children-enact-tragic-historical-events-9-11-angers-parenting-groups.html

So if the Daily Mail knew, how much you wanna bet RO did too when they went hunting for pics?

I'm not on twitter but I see the CBC has it posted on their page.

Awesome find. We need to spread this article everywhere and hopefully Radar is sued, one way or the other.


only if they actually suffer from emotional distress. making claim of emotional distress isn't enough, it should be medically verified.

Isn't Paris' tweets regarding this hoopla a clear sign of emotional distress cause by Radar.
 
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Agree elusive. We are putting our faith in people with history of being passive, and we should not expect anything to change.
 
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Now would be a good time to send emails and share that article from that artist to those media outlets who went with this garbage.

There was one article from Jan Moir Dail ail
JAN MOIR: ***** and the awful corrupting power of celebrity
Daily Mail-23 Jun 2016
Particularly if that celebrity involves Michael Jackson.

I don't click it and only see headline, but that article should be sent to her (nasty bitch) and ask look man in the mirror, and how awful corrupting power media has.


Just sent an email to Daily Fail about awful corrupting power of media.
Here is the address if some of you could do the same
feedback@dailymail.co.uk
 
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^is that a nasty mj article?
 
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^is that a nasty mj article?

Its from Jan Muir, so of course it must be nasty. She is ugly woman inside out, and you got to laugh at headline:
"awful corrupting power of celebrity" because in fact it is
"awful corrupting power of media", which I also stated in my post to Daily Mail.

I should have added this Malcom X quote to my post too.
“The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses.”
 
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http://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-la...ia-and-law-spring-2007/confidentiality-catch-

"The high-profile lawsuit was dismissed shortly thereafter, but other cases with similar situations have gone forward.
In 2002, New York Post reporter Marc Berman wrote an article based on confidential sources that said former New York Knicks basketball player Latrell Sprewell "took a swing" at a guest on his yacht but hit a wall instead, injuring his hand. Sprewell sued Berman and the newspaper's parent company for libel, and Berman refused to reveal the identities of the confidential sources.
The court determined that because Berman and the Post exercised their rights under the New York shield statute to refuse to reveal the sources, they could "not rely on the confidential sources to show that they did not act with actual malice in publishing the article," the court said, referring to the legal standard a public figure such as Sprewell must meet to collect damages in a libel suit.
The Post and Berman appealed the lower court's order and are expecting a decision sometime this summer.
Slade Metcalf, an attorney for the Post and Berman, said a court should never "completely bar journalists from at least telling [a judge or jury] that he or she had sources for the information." If a court wants to impose an order, Metcalf said, it should be "very limited."
"It's an issue that media lawyers and journalists are very aware of," Metcalf said. "When you decide solely to rely on confidential sources for something that is arguably false and defamatory, you do so at your own risk. We'd like to change that rule.""

So they want to knowingly publish false and defamatory stories, still they do demand the full protection of law !! These people are cancerous to our societies.

By by the way, this articles talks about how the Shield law does not really protect the journalists in many instances. So the claim that there is no sense in suing is really nothing but an excuse not to sue.
 
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Can anyone tip TMZ regarding the photographer and that image. Harvey is not less despicable since he did do just that when Mj was fighting for his life and published an article that claimed they found childrenpornography at never land, but he is still a money hungry whore who might find something profitabl for him in this story. Vile creatures all of them.
 
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Just sent this to LA Times ( english is not my first language, so hopefully it doesn't take away from the point I was trying to make?)

Dear La Times

I have always considered LA Times as reputable media outlet, but not anymore.
I recently came across article from Ottawa artist, whose work was taken without his permission, and used spread vulgar stories of Mr Jackson.

See the article:
Ottawa artist angry over unauthorized use of photo in online gossip rag
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-artist-photo-michael-jackson-1.3651598

Your salacious and truly vulgar article of "Mr Jackson stockpiling... was directly copied from Radar online, so perhaps next time when LA Times "journalists"consider coping article from gossip rag, please do at least small fact check. Note that images Radar posted in they pdf file, have been mostly removed, due to that those images weren't in the original documents, but added by Radar to make their story "juicy" for gossip mongers and get clicks to their site. Surely LA Times is better than that?

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I don't really want them to post update anymore because its too late, but perhaps they think twice next time if they copy text from Radar.
If you want to post your comment to LA Times, you can do it here
http://www.latimes.com/about/la-contact-our-readers-rep-htmlstory.html



Soundmind, you can contact on TMZ here
Send TMZ a hot tip!

or tweet the article to Harvey Levin twitter
https://twitter.com/HarveyLevinTMZ?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author
http://www.tmz.com/tips/?adid=TMZ_Web_Nav_Got_A_Tip
 
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Can somebody with twitter account tweet link that that Ottawa artist work stolen article
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-artist-photo-michael-jackson-1.3651598
to Paris twitter with explanation that this is what Radar and other gossip rags do in order to get clicks. Many media outlets reads her twitter and if she post it, it will get attention from media?
 
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Can somebody with twitter account tweet link that that Ottawa artist work stolen article
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-artist-photo-michael-jackson-1.3651598
to Paris twitter with explanation that this is what Radar and other gossip rags do in order to get clicks. Many media outlets reads her twitter and if she post it, it will get attention from media?

Done.
 
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^ It's possible. Doesn't make much difference to me. Robson/Safechuck and RO are the same team to me.

Absolutely. They are in it together. It is just that on twitter etc it seemed like people only focus on Radar and Robson/ Safechuck get a free pass. For example I saw people ask if the sheriff department is investigating the leak. They assume someone from law enforcement/ DA leaked these to Radar. That kind of thinking gives Robson/Safechuck a free pass in this all.

Isn't Paris' tweets regarding this hoopla a clear sign of emotional distress cause by Radar.

No. Emotional distress isn't feeling regular sad or angry. Humans experience such feelings every day for various reasons and can handle it. It's more than that. It is anxiety, paranoia, not being able to sleep, crying constantly, not being able to eat, losing weight etc. the only exception requires the behavior to be so disturbing that you don't need to show emotional distress, it is assumed. I don't think this will be seen as extremely disturbing behavior.
 
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Absolutely. They are in it together. It is just that on twitter etc it seemed like people only focus on Radar and Robson/ Safechuck get a free pass. For example I saw people ask if the sheriff department is investigating the leak. They assume someone from law enforcement/ DA leaked these to Radar. That kind of thinking gives Robson/Safechuck a free pass in this all.

I just hope the Estate is more active behind the scenes than publicly and does something to collect all the necessary information about their involvement in this so that they can use it later to expose their intentions later in court.
 
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This is awesome.
 
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I am glad one of the artists reacted. So this confirms that not only Radar manipulated some pics but they also threw in pics that weren't even in MJ's books at all. In fact, this particular photo was mentioned in several of the articles as something horrible. From the Daily Beast:



They claim the photo was in Room to Play (which was found in MJ's possession and which is an art book with surrealistic photos of kids) while it is taken from another artist and the photo wasn't even created until many years after the raid. Just unreal how shamelessly the media lies and manipulates things. Frankly, I think these artists have a basis to sue the pants off these tabloids. Whether they will take the trouble of it I don't know but if they do I'm in full support of them.

The Daily Fail apparently now turned their efforts on discrediting fans simply on the basis that they are fans. They wrote another article about how delusional MJ fans are because from all this evidence every "reasonable person" now can see "MJ was a child molester". And how do these prove that exactly? Even after Zonen refuted the child porn claims, the Daily Fail still keeps saying some of it was child porn. Just unreal how brazen the media have become in their lies. Actually, they even said in this new article that some of the police turned a blind eye on this because MJ was a star. Yeah, Sneddon and his gang was like that. LOL. So ridiculous. It seems now they try to discredit fans and even the police somewhat because they know fans are well prepared about this and can rebute each and every thing they claim and Zonen and the police already refuted some of their claims.

RadarOnline and the Daily Fail seem to be two of the main publications used in this campaign - I wouldn't be surprised if besides RO Robson's team was also in direct contact with the latter. They too seem extremely invested in discrediting people with ad hominems who they know have all the proof to rebute their stories.
No, thy know "reasonable people" can see the opposite and that is why they are trying so hard to do this to Mike. Again good thinking people know better or do not care what trashy papers like this think.
 
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Guys, remember these videos, and save them in case they are going to be blocked or deleted by YT.
Its like its 2005 again.... :puke:







 
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Jackson jurors: Evidence 'just wasn't there'
Pop star acquitted of all charges in molestation case


Wednesday, June 15, 2005
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/14/jackson.trial/

At a post-verdict news conference, jurors said that after more than 32 hours of deliberations over seven days, they all agreed prosecutors had simply not proved their case against the pop star beyond a reasonable doubt.

As they deliberated, jurors kept coming back to the "closetful of evidence" supplied by prosecutors during the 14-week trial, but "it was just not enough," said Juror No. 10, a 45-year-old woman from Solvang, not far from Jackson's Neverland Ranch.

"We expected probably better evidence, something that was a little more convincing. And it just wasn't there," she said.

Rodriguez said jurors did find credible some of the testimony relating to past child molestation allegations against Jackson, which prosecutors were allowed to introduce to try to prove a pattern of behavior.

But he said that testimony wasn't enough to overcome the jury's doubts about the facts in current case.

Jurors said they also were troubled by the logic of the prosecution's timeline.

Prosecutors said the molestation took place about three weeks after Jackson and his associates allegedly launched a conspiracy against the family to enlist their help in damage control efforts after the boy was shown holding hands with the entertainer in an unflattering television documentary.

Jurors apparently also discounted the cache of sexually explicit material seized from Neverland and presented by prosecutors, who argued the material was used by Jackson to help groom young boys for abuse.

"Those are adult magazines. Anybody can own them," Rodriguez said. "It doesn't prove the charge."


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BUT... there is one big BUT.... and it is the two jurors who claimed they wanted to convict MJ.....
BUT... we can wonder what logic this man later identified as Raymond Hultman had if he said: ""We actually challenged one another in the deliberation room," "We challenged the issues, and we came to the decision that pointed to reasonable doubt."

Later, in an interview on "Larry King Live," Hultman said he believes Jackson "probably has molested boys."

"I can't believe that this man could sleep in the same bedroom for 365 straight days and not do something more than just watch television and eat popcorn," he said. "I mean that doesn't make sense to me, but that doesn't make him guilty of the charges that were presented in this case and that's where we had to make our decision."


So..... what is beyond my logic and understanding is why he said that if this is a pure fiction and BIG LIE, so he lied on CNN or anywhere else saying such nonsense about the "this man could sleep in the same bedroom for 365 straight days and not do something more than just watch television and eat popcorn" claim.
I was totally shocked when I heard it back in 2005, and still I am, because as a juror he lied, how could he be as a juror fair if he simply lied about the 365 days of whatever, if MJ was not at neverland most of the year....

And we can compare the history of the 2005 trial - http://www.today.com/id/8880663/ns/.../t/jurors-say-they-regret-jacksons-acquittal/
 
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^ They changed their stories after being offered book deals to smear MJ.

And even if they did find it alarming and unusual for an adult to share a bedroom with kids, they had to reach a verdict based on the actual evidence.
 
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Your lies will catch up with you what Wade and James and they lawyers are trying to doing will blow up in they faces the truth will pervail end of case.

If i was Ottawa i would sue them.

#MJforever
 
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Moreover the 365 days claims came from Brett Barnes' sister Karlee when she was asked about approximately how many times her brother slept in MJ's room. She estimated 365, but "straight nights" - that was an overall estimation, I think and she just based that on for how long the tour was or something when they travelled with MJ. But fans actually calculated it that it couldn't be 365 days. In any case, Brett never accused MJ and keeps defending him do it really is a non-issue. You cannot convict someone on something when there is no victim.
 
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Stacy Brown wrote another story today on pagesix.com, sounds like the last RO story. he is the source
 
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Wade and James better get a boat and a paddle they are about to sink in all of these lies.


#MJforever
 
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Stacy Brown wrote another story today on pagesix.com, sounds like the last RO story. he is the source
I was going to say, didn't I just read this same story verbatim yesterday. At the time, I'm thinking that the "husband" is Nathaniel, the son is Austin, and the source is Stacy. I don't know if I should copy over the story, so no one will click it and read it.

This is just my opinion, but Stacy has mentioned a lot of LIVING people here-not only 3T, but Michael's kids and Katherine, herself. Radar Online slandered the Santa Barbara Sheriff's office by claiming they ignored the LAW. They've slandered the photographers and this I'm absolutely excited that Jonathan Hobin spoke up about it. I feel like the tide is turning. Look at that Rupert Murdoch rag that came tumbling down and pulling politicians and police down with it because enough was enough. Look at Gawker with Hulk Hogan's lawsuit. They just declared bankruptcy.

May be something will get done here. I have the highest respect for Branca and do not blame him in any way shape or form for the Michael debacle, but I think he and the Jacksons need to do away with the old mindset of ignoring things because that brings attention to it. I understand that-that's the way I was brought up too-you show class in the face of adversity.

But Paris DID have emotional distress-I seem to remember that she tried to commit suicide, and I have no doubt that was timed with her first foray into social media as well as private school-where she was hearing about some of this crap for the first time-and even though I think Michael was a fantastic parent and tried to explain as much as he could with the kids-as the other Jacksons had to do with their kids-he just didn't have enough time with them, and I don't think she could ever comprehend how vile and pervasive this was. I'm sure he was protective and never told them how truly bad it was.

This is the time to gather together and get the lawyers involved-start going after them and go for blood. Some people may think this is just as bad as last time, but it's not-it's way worse-because now they're incorporation the debunked story about the fake FBI files into the new stories as FACT.

I don't care about a bunch of internet trolls on Discus and YouTube-you can spot those people a mile away-they're not just trolling for Michael-they could probably care less about him-and I don't think they care about child abuse victims either-they just get their kicks getting people upset and "fight" with them-and they're not worth the time of day. But Radar and the New York Post have MONEY and I don't see any absence of malice here either-since they are repeating stories that have been thoroughly discredited.

Estate, Jackson family, photographers, everybody mentioned that was slandered-Everybody get together and TAKE THEM DOWN.
 
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Taj Jackson ?@tajjackson3 25m25 minutes ago Taj Jackson Retweeted Jonathan Hobin
Thank you @JonathanHobin for exposing their blatant lies. Please continue this fight with us. #MJforever

Yeah, and Taj should let know all the members of the J family that Stacey Brown is the disgusting betrayer!!!! how conspires with Diane Dimond and Ron Zonen.

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Stacy Brown wrote another story today on pagesix.com, sounds like the last RO story. he is the source

What did Michael ever do personally to Stacy Brown (at least from Stacy Brown's perspective) that has caused Stacy Brown to hate him so much? He writes article after article to make Michael look bad. Why? There has got to be more to this. It has to go beyond just "negative news sells."
 
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^^I've wondered that myself. It has to be way more than it's lucrative to write bad press and he gets a nice paycheck-or has to pay the rent that month. I almost think he really considered himself a part of the family, and when he realized he was not, he was hurt and now he attacks. It seems to be really hard for people to get over that they're not in Michael's orbit-professionally or personally.



(It also drives me crazy that they use Michael's song titles as chapters of his book, or his review is filled with them. I see that a lot in the trashy lurid headlines too-guess they all think they're really clever).
 
The neverending BS stories are obvious..., do you remember the same pattern of BIG news?

The headline of the June 30, 2013 UK tabloid and the last quote from its article about the so-called ‘FBI’ files suddenly break on its readers a fictional number of “*****’s victims”.

The headline gives one number, the quote gives another one, however none of them matter as any number of “victims” is actually a lie.

But the author (James Desborough) didn’t care. He was so carried away by his story that took it so far as to claim that MJ was fixated with “child porn”.

Source: https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/barresi-pellicano-and-michael-jackson-fbi-files-part-2/

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I was going to say, didn't I just read this same story verbatim yesterday. At the time, I'm thinking that the "husband" is Nathaniel, the son is Austin, and the source is Stacy. I don't know if I should copy over the story, so no one will click it and read it.

This is just my opinion, but Stacy has mentioned a lot of LIVING people here-not only 3T, but Michael's kids and Katherine, herself. Radar Online slandered the Santa Barbara Sheriff's office by claiming they ignored the LAW. They've slandered the photographers and this I'm absolutely excited that Jonathan Hobin spoke up about it. I feel like the tide is turning. Look at that Rupert Murdoch rag that came tumbling down and pulling politicians and police down with it because enough was enough. Look at Gawker with Hulk Hogan's lawsuit. They just declared bankruptcy.

May be something will get done here. I have the highest respect for Branca and do not blame him in any way shape or form for the Michael debacle, but I think he and the Jacksons need to do away with the old mindset of ignoring things because that brings attention to it. I understand that-that's the way I was brought up too-you show class in the face of adversity.

But Paris DID have emotional distress-I seem to remember that she tried to commit suicide, and I have no doubt that was timed with her first foray into social media as well as private school-where she was hearing about some of this crap for the first time-and even though I think Michael was a fantastic parent and tried to explain as much as he could with the kids-as the other Jacksons had to do with their kids-he just didn't have enough time with them, and I don't think she could ever comprehend how vile and pervasive this was. I'm sure he was protective and never told them how truly bad it was.

This is the time to gather together and get the lawyers involved-start going after them and go for blood. Some people may think this is just as bad as last time, but it's not-it's way worse-because now they're incorporation the debunked story about the fake FBI files into the new stories as FACT.

I don't care about a bunch of internet trolls on Discus and YouTube-you can spot those people a mile away-they're not just trolling for Michael-they could probably care less about him-and I don't think they care about child abuse victims either-they just get their kicks getting people upset and "fight" with them-and they're not worth the time of day. But Radar and the New York Post have MONEY and I don't see any absence of malice here either-since they are repeating stories that have been thoroughly discredited.

Estate, Jackson family, photographers, everybody mentioned that was slandered-Everybody get together and TAKE THEM DOWN.
Now you cooking with hot fish grease.(y) That is what I am talking about.
 
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What did Michael ever do personally to Stacy Brown (at least from Stacy Brown's perspective) that has caused Stacy Brown to hate him so much? He writes article after article to make Michael look bad. Why? There has got to be more to this. It has to go beyond just "negative news sells."
He is a jealous nut who probably wanted to be MJ and may had a girlfriend or liked a girl to did not want his ugly looking self and he I still upset over it.
 
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