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411 Music Fact or Fiction: Is Michael Jackson’s Legacy Destroyed?

Welcome to the 411 Music Fact or Fiction! This week, Andy Rackauskas takes on Jeremy Thomas

After recent reports about what was found in Michael Jackson’s home, his legacy is destroyed.

Andy Rackauskas: FICTION – Jackson is who he is, and people’s perception of him won’t change based on this. Many will probably simply separate the man from his music. By now, everyone probably has their own opinion of the man. I don’t think this “new” report is going to change that. Maybe it should, but it won’t.

Jeremy Thomas: FICTION – I don’t think anything is going to destroy Michael Jackson’s legacy. While the news is certainly disturbing, let’s first take a minute to note that the validity of the report is — well, it’s not particularly valid. The Sheriff’s Office acknowledged that some of the documents may have come from police reports but, and I’m quoting here, they are “interspersed with content that appears to be obtained off the Internet or through other sources.” That content is the actual pictures and such, so basically what it’s saying is, the police report is accurate but the child porn allegations are completely untrue. SheKnows.com has a good rundown of why Radar Online’s report is crap. This is why we shouldn’t just trust the online arm of the National Enquirer without corroboration from a third party, people. All we can be sure regarding this new report is that he bought a well-regarded if controversial art book and owned copies of Playboy, Penthouse and the like. Most of the information from the police report had already come out in the trial that saw him acquitted.

That being said, no it doesn’t destroy his legacy even if it were true. If the 2005 molestation case and the regularly-publicized details of his death didn’t destroy his legacy, nothing will. I take no issue with those who can’t listen to his music because of scandals, but for me what he did as a musician is not detracted from by what he may or may not have been like as a person. This is Radar Online over-sensationalizing a story because they knew it would attract attention, and thus profit.

http://411mania.com/music/411-music-fact-or-fiction-is-michael-jacksons-legacy-destroyed/

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Those shocking child porn accusations about Michael Jackson aren't what they seem
A tabloid has published what they call never-before-seen, damning evidence found at Michael Jackson's house before his child molestation trial, but there are a couple of problems with that claim.

A report on Radar Online claims that police found a treasure trove of child pornography when they searched Jackson's Neverland Ranch back in 2003, including "disgusting and downright shocking images of child torture, adult and child nudity, female bondage and sadomasochism," according to their source.

"In a book Jackson called Room to Play, there is a deeply disturbing photo of a [murdered child beauty queen] JonBenét Ramsey look-alike with a noose around her neck," revealed the insider. "There were also photos and videos featuring sadomasochistic sex, bondage..."

Here are the issues with Radar's so-called "exclusive": One, the material in question has been in the public domain and all over the internet for years. Two, Room To Play is actually an art book released by photographer Simen Johan in 2002 and is still readily available on Amazon for as little as $20. The photos are controversial, for sure, but hardly pornography — no sexual acts are depicted. Three, police confirmed that your average, run-of-the-mill porn was found in Jackson's possession — specifically some issues of Playboy and Penthouse, the same as many men have.

"There were all kinds of conventional porn magazines," former Santa Barbara Senior Assistant District Attorney Ron Zonen told People. "Things like Playboy, Penthouse. There was one called Barely Legal. It was a publication that featured young women presumably over the age of 18 but selected because they look much younger.

"There were photos of nude children but they weren't sexually graphic," he said. "They weren't children engaged in sexual activity and there was no child pornography. There were no videos involving children. There were videos that were seized but they were conventional adult sexually graphic material. No children involved."

Rest of the article here:
http://www.sheknows.com/entertainme...ild-porn-charges-innacurate-rehashed-old-news



It would be nice if people with twitter and Facebook click, share and re-tweet links to good articles to its not all shite that is being circulated.
 
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8701girl said:
She did?? Awww ill always remember her as the original IN THE CLOSET GIRL :)
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She is right there is secret closet of horrors with Michael and is not afraid of fools:clapping:
 
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Can safely say this story won't be an issue in the UK anymore. Bigger things ACTUALLY OF RELEVANCE happening.

Same goes for Ireland. It turns out we are the best football team of all time at the minute. We are still hungover waiting to take on France on Sunday.

It's good when actual news takes up the time of day.
 
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innuendo141 said:
Can safely say this story won't be an issue in the UK anymore. Bigger things ACTUALLY OF RELEVANCE happening.

Same goes for Ireland. It turns out we are the best football team of all time at the minute. We are still hungover waiting to take on France on Sunday.

It's good when actual news takes up the time of day.
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Totally off the topic but Go Ireland, get your revenge of France (no fence French fans:)
If needed, use your hand if legs are not enough:cheeky:
 
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Bubs said:
Totally off the topic but Go Ireland, get your revenge of France (no fence French fans:)
If needed, use your hand if legs are not enough:cheeky:
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We will use heavy machinery if needed ;)

I'm glad to see the retractions being made, but I'd like to see how this is handled after the Estate changes hands once the guys are of age.

It will alos be interesting to see if the next project will be aimed towards the actual fans of Michael, by keeping his artistic integrity in place, or by appealing to the masses that have been easily swayed by such a tactless smear campaign.
 
respect77;4153458 said:
It is even more far fetched when you know the Arvizo's claims regarding the pornography. Here is Gavin's story:

The story is not that MJ used these to arouse him before molesting him. According to Gavin's story MJ told him it was Frank's and made fun of Frank. It doesn't make much sense if the intent is to sexually groom him or arouse him, does it? However it makes much more sense if what Meserau said about this is the truth, namely that one day MJ caught Gavin and Star looking at his porn in his room and took it away from them. Then I can understand MJ trying to distance himself from the material by saying it was Frank's (to maintain his purity in the kids' eyes) and saying things like "it stinks". However it doesn't make any sense with the grooming, arousing theory. The point of grooming is exactly to "normalize" such things in a kid's eyes, that it's all cool and all great, not to say it stinks.

And this alleged event and the actual molestations are two seperate events in Gavin's story. The alleged showing of porn was not followed by molestation and when MJ allegedly molested him he did not show him porn. So the arousal theory doesn't make sense either.

So this story was always very much off to me, along with many other's in Gavin's story, of course.

And once Mark Ronson told a story which confirms that MJ was not at all cool with kids looking at porn. He cringed and said it was silly and made them stop.

http://hub.contactmusic.com/mark-ronson/news/ronson-jackson-hated-watching-porn_1072121


Oh there is a fan who a couple of years ago made an interview with Paul Hernandez who worked at a a comic store, the Golden Apple at Melrose, that MJ once visited with Jordan Chandler. He gave a pretty detailed account of his impressions etc. and among others he said that once Jordan started to wander to a section of the store where the X-rated material was. It was a smaller room that was seperated so that kids don't see it. And MJ asked what it was and Hernandez told him it was where they stored the X-rated material. And MJ told Jordan to not go there it was where the "bad books" were but Jordan kept on pushing his limits, like he giggled and still kept on wandering towards the room. MJ then put his feet down and said if he was going there he would not buy him anything and Jordan was like "no, no, okay" and came back.

He also said that MJ was interested in the comics/items that didn't have too much violence or graphic material. He bought multiples of certain items because he used them in gift bags for the children they visited Neverland.
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The whole thing about the adult, heterosexual pornography is very feeble & full of discrepancies (also because of those Gavin’s testimony segments you just posted).

Even Star’s testimony (in regard to that issue) was a disaster for the prosecution. For example, when Sneddon showed to him a particular copy of the ‘Barely Legal’ magazine, he eagerly identified it as a magazine that MJ showed to him & to his brother (Gavin).

But, afterwards, when Meserau showed to Star a different copy of the ‘Barely Legal’ that was issued on a different, subsequent date (in fact, issued in August 2003) Star recognized it again as the same one showed previously to him by Sneddon! As a result, when Star was prompted by Meserau to read the date of its publication, Star embarrassingly replied by saying: “I'm telling you, it’s not exactly the one he [MJ] showed us”.

I tend to think that the vast amount of the adult, heterosexual pornography that was repeatedly & emphatically being projected (inside the court room) on large screens & for about a whole week was simply an effort (on the part of Sneddon, mainly) aimed at MJ’s public humiliation in the event of a non-guilty verdict!
 
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Don't worry about child porn or animal abuse stuff, now they have found child's body from Neverland:

WND Celebrity News ?@WNDCelebs 16h16 hours ago
a CHILDS BODY found at Home owned by the late Michael Jackson, NeverlandRanch

I honestly burst out laughing as they say Michael was crazy but look at that! Who really is crazy?

Maybe if they send army to dig NL grounds they finally find elephant man bones?

That twitter has 4 thousand something followers, it was re-tweeted 40 times and liked 9. Like I said it yesterday, there is a sucker born everyday:smilerolleyes:
 
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Bubs said:
Don't worry about child porn or animal abuse stuff, now they have found child's body from Neverland:

WND Celebrity News ?@WNDCelebs 16h16 hours ago
a CHILDS BODY found at Home owned by the late Michael Jackson, NeverlandRanch

I honestly burst out laughing as they say Michael was crazy but look at that! Who really is crazy?

Maybe if they send army to dig NL grounds they finally find elephant man bones?

That twitter has 4 thousand something followers, it was re-tweeted 40 times and liked 9. Like I said it yesterday, there is a sucker born everyday:smilerolleyes:
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Wasn't it VG who claimed something about baby bones having been found at Neverland? Of course, no such thing ever happened, if it had we would know. Prosecutors never claimed that.

So now they are rehasing all the decades old tabloid garbage that never had any basis in reality?

BTW, there is a study that lists the 10 jobs that psychopaths are taking. Journalism is #6 on that list (plus media/TV is #3). Of course, it is not that all journalists are psychopaths but there are relatively many among them. I would say especially probably in the tabloid sector. So if you look at it from that angle then you start to understand where all this vileness and amorality is coming from in today's journalism.

Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/these-10-jobs-attract-the-most-psychopaths-a6692656.html


LOL, I like one of the comments:

Paul LJ Catlow
No journalists, then? Daily Mail columnists? Feminazi opinion-writers for the Guardian? The sort of Sun journalist who sees a headline and a fat bonus despite what they need to do and who they send to Hell for it?


Paul LJ Catlow
Whoops... number three. Working for a dodgy newspaper must be the ultimate in exercising power without accountability....
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respect77 said:
Wasn't it VG who claimed something about baby bones having been found at Neverland? Of course, no such thing ever happened, if it had we would know. Prosecutors never claimed that.

So now they are rehasing all the decades old tabloid garbage that never had any basis in reality?
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Of course its not true, but when you want traffic to your site, don't let reality (not alternative but real reality) get on the way.

Did some media claim is 80' or 90's that Michael married an alien or something similar?
Waiting those appear on some rubbish articles:doh:
 
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Here's something that pisses me off

Whenever something comes out that ''proves'' that Michael Jackson was guilty, people will believe it without question. But when something comes out that proves Michael's innocence, people will always question that and are skeptical.
 
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On the topic of fans clicking on these stories, I'd like to make a point (even if the discussion has since moved on).

I think what makes me really proud of MJ fans is how well researched we can be. I think it is important to go to source and see this information for yourself rather than blindly defending Michael regardless. His detractors think we do that, but I know we don't. We need to look at both sides, even if they don't. I didn't click on every article but I certainly clicked on the few from the seemingly more reputable agencies.

Besides, the clicks by fans like us will be a tiny minority of what the audiences these websites reach on a daily basis.

The natural solution to this would be for one fan to collate these articles in one place and share them.
 
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ChrisC said:
On the topic of fans clicking on these stories, I'd like to make a point (even if the discussion has since moved on).

I think what makes me really proud of MJ fans is how well researched we can be. I think it is important to go to source and see this information for yourself rather than blindly defending Michael regardless. His detractors think we do that, but I know we don't. We need to look at both sides, even if they don't. I didn't click on every article but I certainly clicked on the few from the seemingly more reputable agencies.

Besides, the clicks by fans like us will be a tiny minority of what the audiences these websites reach on a daily basis.

The natural solution to this would be for one fan to collate these articles in one place and share them.
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Yep. Share the content, so other members can familiarize themselves with the issue, not the link, so everyone gives the source their clicks. These tabloids don't care whether people support or refute the piece in the comment section or whatever, as long as they get page visits and people to share the story.
 
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Bubs said:
Don't worry about child porn or animal abuse stuff, now they have found child's body from Neverland:

WND Celebrity News ?@WNDCelebs 16h16 hours ago
a CHILDS BODY found at Home owned by the late Michael Jackson, NeverlandRanch

I honestly burst out laughing as they say Michael was crazy but look at that! Who really is crazy?

Maybe if they send army to dig NL grounds they finally find elephant man bones?

That twitter has 4 thousand something followers, it was re-tweeted 40 times and liked 9. Like I said it yesterday, there is a sucker born everyday:smilerolleyes:
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What????? Is that real report?
 
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My 2 cents for the clicking issue.

I remember when D.B Anderson wrote an excellent article of MJ and it was copied and pasted here. She got angry about and said that it kills the articles. That is true.
When there is a good article of Michael, people tend to copy and paste it in their blogs and other places, fans read it there. Then fans don't bother giving a click to original site where it was published. That results when honchos of that original place where the article was published, views what article gets click, they see good article of MJ doesn't interest public, so they think there is no demand on that kind of articles.

Bad article of MJ? Copy the damn thing here of wherever if you feel like, but don't pay visits to it as the more clicks means they see that kind of article attracts visitors.
When you have an argument with someone under that kind of articles, you already lost your fight. They got you where they wanted, and laughing while collecting advertising dollars. That was the sole purpose of the article, so these publications stays in the business.
Not only that, if you spend time under these article arguing with gullible people who believes earth is flat or trolls, you support their sole existence. If you are not there, they die away in their holes or wither away because they don't have anyone to argue with.

Secondly, select your wars. Do you want to enter in argument with someone under Radar, Daily Fail, Sun or Mirror articles? You know those media outlets are mostly rubbish, and so is their readers. If you want to influence peoples perception of MJ, or offer counter argument, select other than tabloids such as LA Times, Washington Post or some other more reputable media outlet. People who reads that kind of media, tends to be a little more rational thinkers, than the ones that spends their days on Radar or Daily fail comment section, and have spend their lifetime believing that anything you read in tabloids is true.

Another way to attack these tabloids is to send your facts directly to their twitter or emails. They get the point, but they do not get single click to their articles.
I saw fans on twitter yesterday bombarding Washington Post and demanding them to update their story backed up with link to People's article.
It worked. Not only these fans were selective but they did not feed the article itself. Hats off for that.

One more thing, if you see positive article of MJ, even if it is posted here in full, take 1 second of your time and click the link, or share/re-tweet it via twitter. We tend to just glance the good article and of course we agree that MJ was great, and not think of it more than that, but thats the reason we see more rubbish articles of MJ than reasonable articles.
You do not see effect of it today or tomorrow, but it will happen if we do our bit.
 
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8701girl said:
What????? Is that real report?
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It is as real as 99 % articles last 2 or 3 days.
Wait till they dig out elephant man bones, they'll have a field day with all the gullible people.
 
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Bubs said:
It is as real as 99 % articles last 2 or 3 days.
Wait till they dig out elephant man bones, they'll have a field day with all the gullible people.
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OMFG ? are they seriously brainless??@!


Do they seriously think the police wouldve found a child bones there at neverland bck in 2005 and not to a damn thing bout it then ?1!!!

These people are the most dumbest people on this planet! :doh:
 
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ChrisC said:
I think it is important to go to source and see this information for yourself rather than blindly defending Michael regardless. His detractors think we do that, but I know we don't. We need to look at both sides, even if they don't. I didn't click on every article but I certainly clicked on the few from the seemingly more reputable agencies.
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I honestly think fans are the most knowledgable on these issues. I have seen the Daily Fail yesterday get on their high horse about fans saying that they defend MJ out of blind devotion and denial, however "reasonable" people (I guess whoever thinks they can base a knowledgable opinion and fair judgement on a manipulatively written Daily Mail article...) know he was guilty. The irony of it when their article was full of falsehoods, starting with the fact that they think this document is some new bombshell information that "exposes" something and that no one has ever seen before. When fans have it (along with everything else from the trial) for years. When fans know all the ins and outs of the trial and the cases, when many of us discuss these things regularly.

And no, just because we are MJ fans it doesn't mean it gets in the way of our judgement. Frankly, it's insulting to say that those people who actually DID research on the case are basing their opinion on emotion while those who base their opinion on manipulative tabloid articles and know nothing about the case are the rational ones. How ridiculous is that?

I am a fan but if during that research I would have come away with the conclusion that MJ was guilty I would say so. I love Michael but the truth is imortant to me. So I do not think MJ is innocent just because I am a fan. I base my opinion on very much rational and objective arguments and facts, not on emotion. Certainly there are fans who are not that informed about the allegations and are going simply by gut feeling and emotion, and who do not use very good arguments in debates, but there are many fans who actually do research, a lot more than these damn journalists will ever do. Actually, it's extremely rare that I read an article about the allegations where I feel the journalist did his or her research or has a deep knowledge about the issue. It's mostly just surface stuff that they are aware of. It's fans who have the most knowledge. It's unfortunate that what we have to say often gets tossed aside with a "you are a fan, you are biased" when it's not important who we are the important thing is what we say and how much it is supported by facts and how true it is. Everyone is biased not just fans. Haters are biased. The media is biased - they have an interest in sensationalize things. Even much of the general public is biased, depending on what personal experiences they have (eg. those who are survivors of sexual abuse tend to have a bias for the alleged victims, or tabloid readers definitely have a bias against MJ due to the decades long brainwashing, people have a bias based on generally what they think about MJ's looks, "weirdness" etc.) That you are a fan doesn't automatically mean you are wrong. Don't tell me I am biased so my argument doesn't matter rather refute my argument if you disagree! If you can I may reconsider it. But they do not even know about the basics of the case. They are the ones actually who base an opinion on emotion.

I know your point was slightly different, I just had to get it off my chest and point out that the Daily Fail who couldn't get a thing right in their article about the case accuses fans of blind devotion and considers themselves and their uninformed readers the voice of reason is the irony of the century.
 
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Thats the only argument the scum papers have. The same could be said about them. Their blind hatred of michael makes anything they say and write about him one sided and irrelvent. Two can play that game.

They cant stand the fact that we read every court document every court transcipt. Know the evidence inside out.they have nothing to rebut that with .as paris said i hope they burn
 
Dang, I had a look at old photos of NL search (no I did not give a clicks to any tabloids:))and had a giggle at Michael's messiness. Some of his rooms looked like my attic, everything just dumped there. Recent headlines described as its creepy, but it is actually sign of creative person, which Michael possessed truckloads:)

An interesting article of creative minds, and I would definitely put Michael among Einstein, Twain and Jobs as people who has creative mind
http://elitedaily.com/elite/psychol...-messy-room-may-necessarily-bad-thing/708046/

Albert Einstein, “If a cluttered desk is a sign of a cluttered mind, then what are we to think of an empty desk?”
 
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^ Well, he said it himself on the Mexico deposition: "I am not organized that way."

ETA: @1:10:45

 
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respect77 said:
I honestly think fans are the most knowledgable on these issues. I have seen the Daily Fail yesterday get on their high horse about fans saying that they defend MJ out of blind devotion and denial, however "reasonable" people (I guess whoever thinks they can base a knowledgable opinion and fair judgement on a manipulatively written Daily Mail article...) know he was guilty. The irony of it when their article was full of falsehoods, starting with the fact that they think this document is some new bombshell information that "exposes" something and that no one has ever seen before. When fans have it (along with everything else from the trial) for years. When fans know all the ins and outs of the trial and the cases, when many of us discuss these things regularly.

And no, just because we are MJ fans it doesn't mean it gets in the way of our judgement. Frankly, it's insulting to say that those people who actually DID research on the case are basing their opinion on emotion while those who base their opinion on manipulative tabloid articles and know nothing about the case are the rational ones. How ridiculous is that?

I am a fan but if during that research I would have come away with the conclusion that MJ was guilty I would say so. I love Michael but the truth is imortant to me. So I do not think MJ is innocent just because I am a fan. I base my opinion on very much rational and objective arguments and facts, not on emotion. Certainly there are fans who are not that informed about the allegations and are going simply by gut feeling and emotion, and who do not use very good arguments in debates, but there are many fans who actually do research, a lot more than these damn journalists will ever do. Actually, it's extremely rare that I read an article about the allegations where I feel the journalist did his or her research or has a deep knowledge about the issue. It's mostly just surface stuff that they are aware of. It's fans who have the most knowledge. It's unfortunate that what we have to say often gets tossed aside with a "you are a fan, you are biased" when it's not important who we are the important thing is what we say and how much it is supported by facts and how true it is. Everyone is biased not just fans. Haters are biased. The media is biased - they have an interest in sensationalize things. Even much of the general public is biased, depending on what personal experiences they have (eg. those who are survivors of sexual abuse tend to have a bias for the alleged victims, or tabloid readers definitely have a bias against MJ due to the decades long brainwashing, people have a bias based on generally what they think about MJ's looks, "weirdness" etc.) That you are a fan doesn't automatically mean you are wrong. Don't tell me I am biased so my argument doesn't matter rather refute my argument if you disagree! If you can I may reconsider it. But they do not even know about the basics of the case. They are the ones actually who base an opinion on emotion.

I know your point was slightly different, I just had to get it off my chest and point out that the Daily Fail who couldn't get a thing right in their article about the case accuses fans of blind devotion and considers themselves and their uninformed readers the voice of reason is the irony of the century.
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If they are mentioning the fans, just goes to show they know where their competition is and are feeling the heat a bit. The defense of Michael, posting facts etc... must be having an effect then, even it it doesn't always seem like it.
The result with the Washington Post just goes to show how powerful Michael's fans are when they come together.
 
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I believe the only reason Ron Zonen said anything is because either he was being asked if they had all of this evidence why didn't they use it or someone chewed his ass out or someone said the word lawsuit to him.
 
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Mckenzie is scum always has been since hillsbrough. Attention seeking fool
 
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Justthefacts said:
I believe the only reason Ron Zonen said anything is because either he was being asked if they had all of this evidence why didn't they use it or someone chewed his ass out or someone said the word lawsuit to him.
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Agree
 
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MattyJam said:
I wrote an email to The Sun newspaper who wrote a story referring to MJ as a paedophile and called for his music to be banned on the radio in the UK. My email reads...

Kelvin Mackenzie should be ashamed of himself for his offensive and factually inaccurate column branding Michael Jackson a paedophile. The prosecution who tried desperately for years to nail Jackson confirmed this week that no illegal or underage material was ever found when the police raided Neverland. This sensationalist bogus story originates from an online gutter press website affiliated with The National Enquirer and only gained traction due to hack journalists such as Mackenzie who don't bother to check the accuracy and credibility of their sources before publishing.*
The reason why Michael Jackson's music is still celebrated (and rightfully so) is because he was acquitted by a jury of his peers, and this carries far more weight than some trashy, celebrity gossip rag who regularly sensationalise and post false/inaccurate stories. It is so wrong that the media is allowed to report distorted and manipulated facts and have people believing it without question. And as for Kelvin Mackenzie, well, it doesn't speak much for his so-called integrity as a journalist.
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Awesome:clapping:
 
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Okay let go pass all of this and go to summary judgement so this case can end. Wade and his lawyers have no proof that this ever happen.
 
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Justthefacts said:
I believe the only reason Ron Zonen said anything is because either he was being asked if they had all of this evidence why didn't they use it or someone chewed his ass out or someone said the word lawsuit to him.
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I think the whole chebang came back to bite his own arse. I believe he went on with this garbage willingly and wanting to get back to MJ(still sore after losing), but never thought of people starting asking questions if MJ had all the illegal porn, why he wasn't charged. Is he still Santa Barbara Senior Assistant District Attorney, and if so, I believe he got orders from above. Going with Radars attempt is no good look for SB DA office.
 
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Kelvin Mackenzie deliberately counts on the stupidity of tabloid readers.

MacKenzie is quoted as saying in the early 1980s (on the subject of how he perceived The Sun's target audience):


You just don't understand the readers, do you, eh? He's the bloke you see in the pub, a right old fascist, wants to send the wogs back, buy his poxy council house, he's afraid of the unions, afraid of the Russians, hates the queers and the weirdos and drug dealers. He doesn't want to hear about that stuff (serious news).[SUP][6][/SUP]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_MacKenzie
 
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