[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[Bubs]

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Another train of thought. Not many was happy about the estates response to BB when asked their statement and felt it wasn't detailed enough.
I don't know who does their PR stuff or these sort of stuff, but I know that they are not experts of Michael Jackson. Fans have been following him for years, and has gone through court docs with fine comb (sp?)and knows pretty much everything that there is to know. How about suggestion that when next media attack happens, certain fans (sanefan, Respect and some others) gets their heads together and write counter statement and send it to the estate and ask if they consider sending it to the media, or at least use the content they need? Jermaine used fan generated information and it was good so why not do the same with the estate?

 

[prettyyoungthaang]

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To be honest I am not sure what more the estate can do - once people form an opinion it is hard to change their minds, I don't know if a more detailed/confrontational statement would do much as people who believe Michael is guilty will just see it as a cover up. It of course doesn't help that this media coverage is succeeded by now three child molestation accusations. MJ said himself, "if you tell a lie long enough, people start to believe it." MJ's innocence will never be seen by everyone and we can't change that. I wish there was more hope but can anyone really see the estate or even anyone else changing people's minds after MJ has suffered over 20 years of media scrutiny?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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You dont need to hire a PR firm to put out a clearly worded denial statement with the facts from the trial regarding these books and what as was not found there.and the blatent lies regarding animals. it really isnt that difficult. The estate ignoring it or putting out some pussy foot, just ignore it statement (cause ignoring bullies works doesnt it!!) does nothing but help over time the stories become fact just like all the other B.S that has eveloped mjs legacy and what was left of his reputation. If you dont act and act strongly to denie something and use the actual facts to show it is false then the gen public will deem it to be true. Why wouldnt they if theres no legitimate rebutal. Even more so when theres a weak handed, half arsed denial by the estate that just seems to give credibility to the allegations as it becomes a case of if thats all they can say then.....

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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The past is the past. Yes the two are connected but its about the stories from now that need to be delt with. Asthe media are trying to brainwash each generation by distorting the facts from 10/20years ago.that needs to be delt with as when it occurs

 

[#MJforever57]

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That a good suggestion Bubs because what the Estate is saying now will not help either we all know Michael was found not guilty by his own peers but the problem is ppls are thinking they are hearing or seeing new information and that is not true.

 

[innuendo141]

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Fact of the matter is on Twitter I've seen a lot of people who NOW believe MJ did something because of this. Now its easy to say good riddance they are morons, but a lot of morons like his music too, as with all artists.

Protect his legacy at all costs. If he was alive he'd do it himself. The Estate shouldn't have to be begged to do right by the man. I am very critical of the Estate for many reasons but this is something that is beyond a poorly received hologram.

 

[Bubs]

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To be honest I am not sure what more the estate can do - once people form an opinion it is hard to change their minds, I don't know if a more detailed/confrontational statement would do much as people who believe Michael is guilty will just see it as a cover up. It of course doesn't help that this media coverage is succeeded by now three child molestation accusations. MJ said himself, "if you tell a lie long enough, people start to believe it." MJ's innocence will never be seen by everyone and we can't change that. I wish there was more hope but can anyone really see the estate or even anyone else changing people's minds after MJ has suffered over 20 years of media scrutiny?

Well thats the thing, Michael couldn't help it even back then he had Tmezz in his corner giving statements right left and centre that those child porn stuff were false. It didn't help then and now those same rumours got another "do" with media.

Oh well, it was just a thought.

 

[ivy]

A few comments

- The content of that email should not be surprise. Estate have been saying that for years. It's not about any specific article, it's their overall position. It has been for years.

- It looks like fan asked why these statement aren't posted on MJ's social media accounts. They clearly want to keep those as positive and in remembrance. I have seen in the past fans complain why MJ account isn't tweeting about the vindication day. But you got to realize that mentioning vindication day also makes people remind that he had went through a trial.

- They have a point about hits to an article. Radar is an online news source. So they earn money through hits and unique visitors. So the more hits they get, more money they make and more likely they are to continue with the same thing. It's also true that they don't care if the hits come from normal readers or angry fans. They might even want to make fans angry to attract more interest. Fans contribute to this to an extent and also work to stop it as well. Copying articles so others don't click is helpful in reducing hits and visitors. However at times you see fans fighting the articles, posting comments in defense etc which actually increases the hits. Plus at least in the fan circles if fans don't alarm other fans most of us won't even know about such stuff. For example I don't check radar, I read about the article here. We discussed it here and I did not mention it on social media for 12 hrs. (Because I didn't want to mention Radar article on social media and contribute to them becoming popular). I was hoping it would go away. But all my timeline was talking about Radar article non stop. Then the rest of the media started posting radar article. So I'm curious how does that happen? For example people tweeting about Radar article about MJ attracts other media and get them repost it?

- However I wouldn't put it all on the fans. While yes fans popularize such articles among the fan community, there are also the public, the intentionally click bait article titles, that bring general public and hit numbers. So even if fans completely ignore it, it won't go away.

- That being said, the comment to billboard thing doesn't make sense at all. I can understand ignoring it all, I can understand not releasing statements first and fuel the discussion. But when you decide to respond to a request to comment from Billboard (or any media), it doesn't make sense to limit the response to that specific media. The moment they decide to comment on a matter, they could send the comment to all media for faster circulation. After all other media copied their comment to Billboard so why not help it spread faster?

- I agree with Bubs. Although we want articles to counter the negative stories and want rebuttals, fighting etc if you look to the large picture those doesn't make much difference either. It only eases our minds. This isn't the Radar's first time doing this, this isn't the first time we fight against it. and here we are again.

I agree with Travis Smiley as well

"Smiley says the Radar story won't change minds about Jackson's guilt or innocence.

"If you think Michael Jackson did it, your point of view is still the same, and if you think he didn't, your point of view is still the same," Smiley says. "Michael's fans didn’t trust (prosecutors and investigators) then, and they don't trust them now.""

So like Bubs said these defense, statements from people, fighting etc, mostly only makes us feel good. I don't think they have much effect on the perceptions that are already set.

 

[HIStory]

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The Robson/Safechuck allegations never got much traction in the mainstream media. The only way they can generate attention and this wave of negativity on MJ is inflammatory things like this. The other with a similar magnitude was that bogus Mirror story about the fake FBI files. When people see "FBI" or "police says" in an article they think it's some officially confirmed, proven thing. Problem is those alleged FBI files never existed (and the real ones don't incriminate MJ) and this police report in this recent thing has also been massively twisted by the media. And even if the police or prosecution wrote certain things in documents, they are just that - one-sided prosecution theories and interpretations, not facts. That's one side of a case, not facts - many people do not seem to understand that. But people get convinced by the simple mention of some sort of authority and the media cleverly uses this to manpulate them. IMO that's why these stories went viral. Because they aren't represented as just by some individual's allegations but as by some massive evidence that was confirmed and proven by some authority. Many people doesn't have a critical thinking and doesn't realize that just because a tabloid claims so it doesn't mean it is true and that tabloids twist things.

Both the FBI files story and this one had it in common that the actual (original) documents that they posted in support did not prove or support the claims that were in the articles. The media ran wild with claims of child porn having been found in MJ's possession when the actual document itself repeatedly states that none of it was child porn or illegal. Others said "police says MJ used this material to groom children". Well, that's not what the document says. It repeates a standard text that "based on my training it can be used to lower the inhabitations of children". "Can be used" doesn't mean MJ certainly used it for that purpose. It's a theory, not a fact. Certainly the prosecution did have that theory, but they are a one-sided party in a case that is hostile to the defendant, their theories are not automatically true and definitely not facts. Or other articles stated that the document says MJ was "sex crazed/a sex addict". It doesn't state that. It only states a Precocet prescription (which is a painkiller first and foremost, not medicine for sex addicts) was found in his possession and someone newly added pages of articles that say that Precocet can be used for sex addiction. Again, someone's theory, not a fact - and it wasn't even in the original document, it's a new addition by someone, probably Robson's lawyers. Yet the media stated it as a fact that MJ took medicine for sex addiction. It was the same with the "FBI files". When you looked at the actual files the Mirror/Sunday People posted they did not prove anything that they claimed in their article. There was no trace of any evidence of any pay off in them and they weren't FBI files either. But most people just read the article, see that they say there are documents to prove it, but they don't actually look at those documents or do not understand what they are about and what they mean. And this is what the media relies on. I see very similar tactics by them in both of these cases.

Not reacting to things with this magnitude is not a solution. The Estate's response to the fake FBI files story was similarly lukewarm and what did it accomplish? It DID get all the attention in the world whether they responded or not. It didn't stop the media from doing it again. And a LOT of people until this day believe that story to be factual. I have seen many references to that in comment sections and now these new articles also refer to that as well as a fact. So I don't think ignoring things solved anything. It only made the story look unchallenged by MJ's Estate.

 

[analogue]

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The Estate was quick to defend those three fake Cascio songs, but when it comes to defending MJ from false allegations they're very lazy.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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If those idiots gave a dam about mj other than what money he can make them they would give respect a job!

 

[Bubs]

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The Robson/Safechuck allegations never got much traction in the mainstream media.

Well it depends what you call mainstream media as the line is very fuzzy nowadays.
I consider La Times as mainstream media but they too have run with rubbish stories.
I did google search MJ and WR with timeline and these came out
https://www.google.ie/#q=michael+ja...1,cd_min:01/01/2015,cd_max:31/12/2015&tbm=nws

If people in US do google search with above info, do you get more or less articles?

Actually by looking at the headlines of the google search, we were in the same jam last year than we are now.

 

[ivy]

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The Estate was quick to defend those three fake Cascio songs, but when it comes to defending MJ from false allegations they're very lazy.

Estate didn't release any statements to media about Cascio songs though. They responded to a fan email and they are always quick to respond to fan emails in every regard explaining their position as it could be seen above.

 

[barbee0715]

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^true, @respect. Most of these articles have mentioned those fake FBI files as fact now.
And I'm rarely seeing the word 'alleged' anymore.
I've noticed that the "reporters" in these stories look no older than 30, so they came of age when Michael was considered eccentric and/or a criminal. Today's young new fans that need to carry on the legacy and buy his music will be influenced by today's stories. I'm not worried about people like me who came up with Michael and have their minds made up. We are dying off. I'm worried about the future.
I thought when Michael died and the focus finally turned back to the music, we were done with the trash. But it continues with stories like these and it can't help but influence new generations.

 

[Bubs]

Last few days I have come across there quotes from Malcolm X

“The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses.”

“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”

So true.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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He was ahead of his time.

 

[prettyyoungthaang]

Last few days I have come across there quotes from Malcolm X

“The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses.”

“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”

So true.

It's a damn shame because it is almost the price celebrities pay to spread their work - Michael Jackson is arguably the most famous celebrity to have ever lived. The media running stories such as Michael sleeping in a chamber, wanting to buy the elephant's mans bones, etc. on their own, I'd say they are mostly harmless to Michael's rep and well-being. But with those stories circulating, his changing face/skin tone and the scrutiny of that, I feel had already painted MJ as 'weird guy', so when these molestation charges came out people were more willing to believe them as the media had already portrayed his life as bizarrely as possible. Michael was the biggest public figure ever and we all know by now that all that crazy stuff sells more than all of Michael's good deeds put together, but of course those were neglected. The media can basically print whatever they want without having to refer to any sources and people take it as gospel, Michael was their biggest money-maker so when these child molestation accusations came into light they of course ran to town with it.

Though Michael did so much for the world and I am very happy to have lived to have known him, I sometimes wonder how his life would've been if he put the mic down after his Jackson's years or if he never became famous at all - he wouldn't have shared his gift with us, no, but I don't know if maybe he would've lived a happier life.

 

[HIStory]

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Did the estate's statement help then?

That's because that too was a similarly lukewarm answer as this one. They never refuted the actual claims in the article and they were totally refutable. Point by point. It were the same lame ass answer. "He was acquitted, so that should be enough, otherwise let's just ignore it and it will go away and oh, don't forget to buy tickets for MJ ONE".

Of course, such replies don't help one bit. If anything, they may even make people think the Estate is unable to refute it so it must be true.

I don't know who does their PR stuff or these sort of stuff, but I know that they are not experts of Michael Jackson. Fans have been following him for years, and has gone through court docs with fine comb (sp?)and knows pretty much everything that there is to know. How about suggestion that when next media attack happens, certain fans (sanefan, Respect and some others) gets their heads together and write counter statement and send it to the estate and ask if they consider sending it to the media, or at least use the content they need? Jermaine used fan generated information and it was good so why not do the same with the estate?

I would be glad to help them with information, if they need it, but it is a weird thought that we fans should be the ones putting statements for them together while they are being paid millions for doing a job for MJ and are certainly able to hire professionals. The Estate are not MJ experts? Well, they should be by now. They are there for seven years, they are making millions of MJ every year. I do expect them to handle this aspect more professionally and yes, get knowledgable about facts if they aren't. I am not saying Branca himself should be doing it, but they could hire people - eg. a PR team - who does have it as a task to be able to reply to things about the allegations with knowledge, if needed.

They can contact fans and I am happy to help. In fact, I have sent many things to the online team via e-mail. I don't know how or if they ever use it or if they even care. All the reaction I ever got back was a polite "thank you". They never asked me for more information, never even said if what I sent was useful or not, so I have no idea if they would even want my or other fans' help.

A few comments

- The content of that email should not be surprise. Estate have been saying that for years. It's not about any specific article, it's their overall position. It has been for years.

That it was not a surprise from them doesn't mean it is the right attitude. They need to change this attitude, IMO.

- That being said, the comment to billboard thing doesn't make sense at all. I can understand ignoring it all, I can understand not releasing statements first and fuel the discussion. But when you decide to respond to a request to comment from Billboard (or any media), it doesn't make sense to limit the response to that specific media. The moment they decide to comment on a matter, they could send the comment to all media for faster circulation. After all other media copied their comment to Billboard so why not help it spread faster?

Yes. And also when they reply they need to be specific and address the the specific claims. "Well, he was acquitted" and "let's preserve his legacy" is not much help in a situation like this. I hate Zonen's guts but what he said was a specific rebuttal of certain claims that were circulating in the media. Claims that it was new evidence or that it was child porn and illegal. That's what the Estate should have done too. It's really not so difficult.

Whether it helps or not. It certainly helps more than ignoring things. It won't get to everyone who read the original story simply because of the nature of how sensationalist "news" spread fast, while the least sensational true version of them spreads much less. But it does help somewhat. It's a lot more than nothing. I have actually seen people turn around from this because of what Zonen said or at least step back from it and admit that maybe not everything the media says is true. That's better than nothing.

 

[HIStory]

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Well it depends what you call mainstream media as the line is very fuzzy nowadays.
I consider La Times as mainstream media but they too have run with rubbish stories.
I did google search MJ and WR with timeline and these came out
https://www.google.ie/#q=michael+ja...1,cd_min:01/01/2015,cd_max:31/12/2015&tbm=nws

If people in US do google search with above info, do you get more or less articles?

Actually by looking at the headlines of the google search, we were in the same jam last year than we are now.

It was not the same magnitude at all. It's literally everywhere. Media, social media. In fact, it was trending worldwide for a while. It was in my local media as well. Every major news portal reported it as a fact here. Meanwhile they don't even know who Robson or Safechuck is.

 

[Bubs]

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Hell must have frozen or something?
Rolling Stones mag didn't put up the story at all but they did post the estates response.

Respect, if you feel this time around its much bigger fuss,thats ok as it it useless to argue about when you can check.
Bottom line is: I say you only think so because this is fresh fuss, you say this is bigger fuss than last year, not going to argue with that.

The fact remains, if person have made up their mind about MJ, no statement is going to change their mind and why do we care if some people believe this bs?
There is a saying about sucker being born every minute, which is true.

That reminded me of some post in twitter. It said something like this, just confirmed initial thought of MJ and posted article from 2013 where 1 man claimed that Michael banged his monkey We don't need that sort of people to our camp.

 

[mj_frenzy]

I am not surprised that also Greek tabloid web pages (but also non-tabloid ones) keep reposting it in a similar, very negative way. Judging by their articles’ titles (they do not deserve my clicks so as to see what exactly they write, but I can guess) they sound as if they were talking about the worst serial killer of all time! They desperately are in need of more clicks, a disgusting practice on their part.

Personally, I never had any intention of contributing to their traffic, even when there was a need to defense my favorite artists. I mean, there are people who earn a living by legally representing their artists’ interests & are expected to act accordingly!

Anyway, I think they are generally trying to make a mountain out of a molehill with these “new” findings (& in a very strange timing). I find it hard to believe that the prosecution team (given its aggressiveness at that time) had no knowledge of these findings & subsequently did not take advantage of them. This probably means that these findings were part of the evidence material (seized from Neverland in 2003) that was considered irrelevant to the 2005 accusations & was eventually excluded from the case (by the judge Melville).

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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That's because that too was a similarly lukewarm answer as this one. They never refuted the actual claims in the article and they were totally refutable. Point by point. It were the same lame ass answer. "He was acquitted, so that should be enough, otherwise let's just ignore it and it will go away and oh, don't forget to buy tickets for MJ ONE".

Of course, such replies don't help one bit. If anything, they may even make people think the Estate is unable to refute it so it must be true.
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Exactly. This is what im saying.you put out such a half hearted crappy statement that does nothing to shoot down the claims then all it does it make the claims look true to the gen public. (ie is that all they can say) Even more so when its so easy to do a point by point denial.are they just so lazy they cant be bothered to or what.all i know is they are pissing off alot of ppl that love mj and will defend him to the end and have all the facts to hand yet dont have the ability to put the info out there to the masses yet the estate has the abilty but arent intrested in doing anything. Whos side are they actually on!?

 

[Bubs]

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@Respect, this you and me last year

I'm torn too, but I'm deadly against replying any Stacy Brown articles.
That's what he is looking for, and we most certainly don't need to another Demon Dimond that made her career based on writing garbage of MJ.

I agree with the estate's stance that they reply if the reporter calls them and asks their input for the article. That way their reply is in the same article, instead of them going on releasing reply in different post altogether, which means that garbage story runs longer than should.

If you look similar articles in TMZ, you see that they have asked estate's reply for many of the stories they are going to run, but at least their reply goes with original post. Stacy B or Daily Fail would never ask the estate's attorney's reply because they want their garbage not being questioned.


The thing is, as long as there are readers for these kind of stories, they keep rolling them out.
Second thing is that if there is 1 bad article of MJ, we see it and spend ages for mullin' over it, but if there is 100 good articles of MJ, we thank the poster and basically that is it. I think we should be clinking hell out of that kind of articles so that publication knows that public reads good articles of MJ

We have been through it many times and I do not feel like starting this again, but I don't think they handled it well PR-wise. Sometimes you cannot let a news report run viral without the Estate demanding - yes, demanding - every major publication that run the original story to also present their denial. I think they could and should do a lot better on that area, so I'm not going to pat them on the back over this.

Anything different from last year to this year, no. We keep talking same subject, same stance, and media is laughing their arses off collecting their dollars.

Edited to add link from where I copied it.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...aim-of-sexual-abuse-against-MJ-Estate/page744

 

[Rhilo]

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^Were there 200 + articles all over the net last year? The comments made by people this time have been horrid. Just my guestimate, but the majority of people commenting on these articles are accusing Michael as well. I just don't remember a similar situation last year.

 

[prettyyoungthaang]

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This is horrifying - the media trying to squeeze every penny out of MJ. One Google search will show torrents of 'child porn' articles, as well as those advertising the '83 minutes' book describing Michael's final moments. Why do people want to read about, in their eyes, the death of a child molester that is obviously not a beloved superstar... At least pick your ****ing sides. I really can't contain my anger.

 

[HIStory]

Anyway, I think they are generally trying to make a mountain out of a molehill with these “new” findings (& in a very strange timing). I find it hard to believe that the prosecution team (given its aggressiveness at that time) had no knowledge of these findings & subsequently did not take advantage of them. This probably means that these findings were part of the evidence material (seized from Neverland in 2003) that was considered irrelevant to the 2005 accusations & was eventually excluded from the case (by the judge Melville).

Yes, of course it's not some new finding, nor it is something horrific like how the media tries to portray it. It's just a collection of art books that are perfectly legal and are available in regular book stores, in libraries and on Amazon. Some of them are in the Library of Congress. Radar Online just used such descriptions of these books that make them look horrific and perverted, when they are not at all. And the rest of the media are just copy&pasting as usual.

Even Ron Zonen came out refuting the child porn allegations or that anything illegal was found.

"Former Santa Barbara Senior Assistant District Attorney Ron Zonen, who helped prosecute Jackson and recalls viewing the actual documents tied to the case, tells PEOPLE that law enforcement did discover adult pornographic magazines and videos, though nothing constituting child pornography.

"There were all kinds of conventional porn magazines," says Zonen. "Things like Playboy, Penthouse. There was one called Barely Legal. It was a publication that featured young women presumably over the age of 18 but selected because they look much younger."

Law enforcement also discovered a book of "masochistic" type drawings.

When it comes to items relating to children, "There were photos of nude children but they weren't sexually graphic," he says. "They weren't children engaged in sexual activity and there was no child pornography. There were no videos involving children. There were videos that were seized but they were conventional adult sexually graphic material. No children involved."

Specifically, the nude images of children he says, showed children "playing in the stream, climbing trees, nature photographs, nudist colonies, things like that," he said. "They came from professional publications. Were they designed for pedophiles or designed as artistic photographic books I can't comment on that."

http://www.people.com/article/michael-jackson-estate-blasts-porn-reports

It's nothing new, it was all seen by the jury in 2005. Mez.

Not true, says Jackson's trial lawyer, Thomas Mesereau, who says prosecutors at Jackson's trial "got their (expletive) kicked." Mesereau says he saw all this material at the trial as Jackson's defender, and so did the jury.


"This is a complete waste of time. It was all litigated in 2005," Mesereau says. "It's dated, outrageous and ridiculous information, and it was completely rejected by a jury 11 years ago."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...rt-public-opinion-years-after-death/86249956/

@Respect, this you and me last year


Anything different from last year to this year, no. We keep talking same subject, same stance, and media is laughing their arses off collecting their dollars.

Edited to add link from where I copied it.
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...aim-of-sexual-abuse-against-MJ-Estate/page744

Why would be any difference when the Estate showed the same lukewarm attitude in both cases? What would have changed things then?

 

[prettyyoungthaang]

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Some articles keep referencing a signed photo of Macaulay Culkin that they found:

Inside the closet, police reportedly found everything from stuffed animals to a signed photograph of Macaulay Culkin which was signed "Don't leave me alone in the house."

I don't understand - are they trying to make something of this? Surely it is just a reference to his movie franchise 'home alone', are they really trying to insinuate Macaulay was scared of Michael/Neverland or something? Unbelievable.

 

[Bubs]

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^Were there 200 + articles all over the net last year? The comments made by people this time have been horrid. Just my guestimate, but the majority of people commenting on these articles are accusing Michael as well. I just don't remember a similar situation last year.

more but those came out when I did search with Mj and WR.
Tell you the truth, any article of MJ gets horrible comments, it doesn't matter what is the article content. Perhaps it would be good idea of not reading comments (I don't) especially if the article is bs such these latest ones? It just makes you feel like the ww hates Michael which is not true, and gets you depressed and angry.
We cannot change peoples opinion of Michael as long as there are nasty people with certain motives.

Trust me, this latests saga will be over sooner than you think, and we have a few months of plain sailing and then something comes up again
Its a hard work being MJ fans but we keep rolling.

 

[ivy]

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They need to change this attitude, IMO.

I wouldn't hold my breath. I had this discussion with them back in 2011 during Aaron Carter event. They always had the same position and nothing said changed it. They also have the "don't comment on ongoing lawsuits" principle as well. I don't see any of them changing.

There is also a level of double standard. Although they say they won't comment/release statement, they do it with some media.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

more but those came out when I did search with Mj and WR.
Tell you the truth, any article of MJ gets horrible comments, it doesn't matter what is the article content. Perhaps it would be good idea of not reading comments (I don't) especially if the article is bs such these latest ones? It just makes you feel like the ww hates Michael which is not true, and gets you depressed and angry.
We cannot change peoples opinion of Michael as long as there are nasty people with certain motives.

Trust me, this latests saga will be over sooner than you think, and we have a few months of plain sailing and then something comes up again
Its a hard work being MJ fans but we keep rolling.

A google search won't tell you the whole picture about the magnitude of how far reaching and influential a story was. I did not see the mainstream media in my country pay much attention to Robson and Safechuck, but this one is on each one of the mainstream portals here. And I have seen fans from other countries say the same in their countries.