[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Don't worry. It's not gonna hurt his feelings. But yeah. He was uglier inside than outside. Still is.

Dan Abrahms also made that argument about them looking alike. Indeed disturbing.

Who cares?

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Who cares?

I do because this is one of the many lies they use against MJ to prove that he molested Chandler and Francia and Arvizo,
In case you still don't get it.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I do because this is one of the many lies they use against MJ to prove that he molested Chandler and Francia and Arvizo,
In case you still don't get it.

Just because some people in the media said they look alike doesn't make it true especially when it came from people like DD. And even if they both looked the same and even if they were beautiful, that doesn't mean we would have thought their lies are more credible so again this obsession with their looks is disturbing and pointless. Abuse is not exclusive to good looking people.

And BTW this is off topic.

 

[Bad7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Don't worry. It's not gonna hurt his feelings. But yeah. He was uglier inside than outside. Still is.



Dan Abrahms also made that argument about them looking alike. Indeed disturbing.

I'm not interested in his feelings. It obviously won't hurt them as he won't read it. My point is, his looks really aren't relevant to whether he was molested. It wouldn't of worked in a court room to state 'Gavin was ugly'.

Jordan and Gavin obviously didn't look a like. Painting Jordan as a 'pretty boy' and Gavin as 'butt ugly' really isn't needed to prove that. All that's needed to disprove the myth they looked a like is a photo of each of them.

Edit: On topic though, is it known at all when we'll get an update on the cases?

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Diane Dimond still telling lies.

https://twitter.com/debcaldaneljo/status/724969949962317824

Claimed that Corey Feldman had originally said MJ sexually abused him. He's never ever claimed that. Corey thankfully puts her in her place.

But god, she's still out there being as disgustingly dishonest as ever.

 

[Bad7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Diane Dimond still telling lies.

https://twitter.com/debcaldaneljo/status/724969949962317824

Claimed that Corey Feldman had originally said MJ sexually abused him. He's never ever claimed that. Corey thankfully puts her in her place.

But god, she's still out there being as disgustingly dishonest as ever.

Indeed. I remember the exchange. She then went onto, somehow, convince Corey she never said it and hinted at him contacting her.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Indeed. I remember the exchange. She then went onto, somehow, convince Corey she never said it and hinted at him contacting her.

I couldn't help but laugh when she tried to deny what she said, it's right there!

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ive never heard the term "hebephile" its the first for me, so does it mean like a older guy molesting a teenager?

It's an adult who has a sexual interest in people aged 11-14.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm not interested in his feelings. It obviously won't hurt them as he won't read it. My point is, his looks really aren't relevant to whether he was molested. It wouldn't of worked in a court room to state 'Gavin was ugly'.

No but Tom Mez did note during June Chandler's cross-exam that Mac Culkin didn't look like Jordan at all.
He too knew that Sneddon/Zonen were trying to suggest that MJ had a certain ""type." It's just one of those
nonsensical BS they are using against MJ.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The whole "type" thing is interesting if we're going by Jordan.

The kids MJ spent the most time with who looked like Jordan were his own relatives. 3T, Austin, Anthony/Elijah etc.

Taraborelli even wrote a story in his book about MJ spending time with a kid who looked exactly like Jordan after marrying Debbie. He made it seem like nobody knew who that child was, that there was no nephew with the name given. Which is true, there isn't. That's because it wasn't a nephew, it was his cousin Anthony Jackson.

Yet nobody ever tries to claim they have ever been victims.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

chandler was mixed white/asian, culkin was blond white arvizo hispanic ,barnes mixed aboriginal/native. robson white brown haired........ yeah they defo all looked the same LOL

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's an adult who has a sexual interest in people aged 11-14.

Still i reckon thats pedophilla cuz when gavin accused mj they were all calling him pedophile not a hebephile.

I swear the media cant make up their minds! Lol

 

[Bad7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Still i reckon thats pedophilla cuz when gavin accused mj they were all calling him pedophile not a hebephile.

I swear the media cant make up their minds! Lol

It's not paedophilia. That's just the term so often used, irregardless of age, but it's incorrect. The majority of people probably don't realise there are specific terms for specific age groups so the media just used one term to cover all. The media were wrong to say that, though.

I know I instigated it, but it's probably best to leave it there and let the thread return to the topic at hand.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

chandler was mixed white/asian, culkin was blond white arvizo hispanic ,barnes mixed aboriginal/native. robson white brown haired........ yeah they defo all looked the same LOL

And don't forget Emmanuel Lewis looked just like Frank Cascio and Omer Batthi looked just like Alfonso Riberio.
They all had one head two arms and two legs.

Still waiting for the explanation why MJ let fatass Star Arvizo sleep in his room, why he showed him porn why he gave him
alcohol. Didn't they say MJ did all those things to groom boys? What was he grooming Star Arvizo for?

And they also forget Dave Dave. Looks sure mattered a lot to MJ. What a joke.

The one who looked more like Chandler was Brett Barnes and so if he was not molested, and he most definitely was not,
then Chandler wasn't either. Even without all the other evidence MJ's relationship with the Barnes and the Barnes
attitude toward him proves that the Chandlers lied.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The one who looked more like Chandler was Brett Barnes and so if he was not molested, and he most definitely was not,
then Chandler wasn't either. Even without all the other evidence MJ's relationship with the Barnes and the Barnes
attitude toward him proves that the Chandlers lied.

Just because one kid that looked like another wasn't molested is not evidence.

The reason all of this bothers me so much is that is insinuates that Michael had a "type"-a type of person he was sexually attracted to-and all this does is keep up the nonsense the press was doing at the time-making this into a big SEX scandal, instead of being about child abuse. People like Dan Abrams, a talking head, who can probably talk hours and hours about subjects he knows nothing about-and others making this scandalous and salacious just for ratings.

Any other movie star or rock star would have been written or talked about in sex scandals with adults-but no one ever talked about Michael and Lisa Marie being involved at the same time his wife was pregnant-and that should have been a huge front page story for the tabloids-remember the Elizabeth Taylor/Eddie Fisher/Debbie Reynolds thing? There's a million of them-but no, with Michael-he had to be having a love affair with a kid-just more to bring down and destroy a man and feed on and accentuate this TABLOID CREATED atypical persona of being "man child, eccentric and reclusive."

I think these kinds of posts just perpetuate the idea that it's all about sex, and it's not about a heinous crime, for which there was no evidence whatsoever.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just because one kid that looked like another wasn't molested is not evidence.

Yes it is. Because with this boy and this family MJ had the exact same type of relationship as with the Chandlers.
They did the very same things: travell with him, got gifts from him, went to Disneyland, visited Neverland and shared a bed.
It's simply ridiculous to assume that someone would have that kind of relationship with two boys, who on top of that,
look alike and molest one of them and leave the other alone.
One of these families one of these boys are clearly liars, there is no other logical conclusion.
And of course who had a reason to lie?
The Chandlers. It's not the Barnes who got rich by defending MJ. It's the Chandlers who wanted to get rich by
accusing him.
Sneddon, Zonen and the haters (even Safechuck) know very well that Brett Barnes is a "problem" for their whole narrative.
If people believe that he was not molested and their relationship was brotherly (which it was) that pretty much kills the accuser's stories.

The reason all of this bothers me so much is that is insinuates that Michael had a "type"-a type of person he was sexually attracted to-and all this does is keep up the nonsense the press was doing at the time-making this into a big SEX scandal, instead of being about child abuse. People like Dan Abrams, a talking head, who can probably talk hours and hours about subjects he knows nothing about-and others making this scandalous and salacious just for ratings.

Yes but Zonen made the very same point in the courtroom so it's not just the media for rating.
Zonen,, Sneddon did their very best to establish a pattern.
And Dan Abrams didn't even say that on TV but at Harvard when he was invited there along with Tom Mez

Any other movie star or rock star would have been written or talked about in sex scandals with adults-but no one ever talked about Michael and Lisa Marie being involved at the same time his wife was pregnant-and that should have been a huge front page story for the tabloids-remember the Elizabeth Taylor/Eddie Fisher/Debbie Reynolds thing? There's a million of them-but no, with Michael-he had to be having a love affair with a kid-just more to bring down and destroy a man and feed on and accentuate this TABLOID CREATED atypical persona of being "man child, eccentric and reclusive."

Are you sure the tabloids didn't talk about the Debbie Lisa MJ triangle? As I recall they did.

I think these kinds of posts just perpetuate the idea that it's all about sex, and it's not about a heinous crime, for which there was no evidence whatsoever.

No, it's about one of the many tactics MJ's enemies were and are using against him and how stupid it is.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What happened to Safechuck's demurrer?
Wasn't there a hearing in March? Judge didn't make any decision?

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Any news on these case yet?

 

[KOPV]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

One mistake each accuser has had to completely discredit them even without knowing the facts... An obsession with Michael as an adult! How someone can go from a choreographer that has dedicated shows to Michael Jackson while dressing up as him to accusing him of such crimes with a clear conscious is understandable to me.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Got to agree Wade has a few loose screws up there it all about the money no truth in it at all. Michael has done so much for Wade and his family and to do this is just so unfair. This is the same man who defend Michael who said nothing ever happen.



This is a long wait i hope we get some good news soon.

 

[MidnightMoonwalk]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Are there any updates?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ivy said that Judge Beckloff has been moved to another court and he took the case with himself and that is why we cannot see any more what is going on. That doesn't mean nothing is happening, but we will probably only get news or updates when there are big news about some development.

I am also sure if there will be any news or developments then whoever learns them will post them here.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks for the updated but question why would Judge Beckloff take the case with him why not give it to another judge that is there that just imo. Ivy or Respect77 is that normal? Something is not right oh well we will see what happen.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It is normal. He is the judge who is the most knowledgeable about the case, that's why the case stayed with him. A new judge assigned would have meant the new judge having to familiarize themselves to the case.

I'm quite sure now the discovery phase is happening. Means change of information, depositions and eventually expert witnesses. At this time the most will be discovery disputes - such as one party not answering questions in detail enough etc. Those are pretty common - all of the cases I followed had those disputes for months. However those aren't really newsworthy. Not surprisingly both parties want to give as little as possible to the other side and of course that results in complaints. Judge will decide which complaint have merit and what information should be turned over or not. It should pick up early 2017 during summary judgment. Dueling motions, hearing and decision.

Case moved with Beckloff to another courthouse. That means documents aren't being scanned anymore. That means we will need to wait for the media to report it. I don't know if they will bother with discovery issues. But news should pick up during summary judgment.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks ivy. Are there any fans near the new court house or is it not possible at all to get any docs now

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes thank you Ivy. I don't think we will hear anything from the media to soon if it is negative we will if positive no. I hope you are right Ivy that it will pick up during summary judgment. I am hope it will end too. I just do not get it Wade or James have no case they lawyers have yet to bring any prove to show that this has happen. These cases are all build on lies no truth in it at all to me it is a waste of time. Wade is suing companies that belong to a person who is no longer with us saying that the companies are responsible for what happen to him i just do not get it companies are not ppls go figure. We are in for a long wait.


Question Ivy with the judge going to a new courthouse why is it that the documents can't be scanned anymore?

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I just can't believe that this thing will be going into its fourth year by the time it gets on the docket. Of course, I'm just as surprised at the IRS case and it keeps getting worse, not better. You'd think it would be settled long ago.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks ivy. Are there any fans near the new court house or is it not possible at all to get any docs now

You can get the documents from the court clerk. I don't know if there are any fans around there that are willing to go to the courthouse. However until summary judgment getting documents won't mean much.

Question Ivy with the judge going to a new courthouse why is it that the documents can't be scanned anymore?

Because LA Superior Court only scans the lawsuits filed at the main courthouse (stanley mosk). As this case (and Beckloff) is no longer at the main courthouse it doesn't get scanned.

From the website "This web site contains imaged case documents for General Jurisdiction Civil cases from the Stanley Mosk Courthouse and Small Claims documents only."

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thank you Ivy for answering my questions but i have couples here why did Beckloff movie from the main courthouse do we know? Could it have been to many MJ fans around the main courthouse? i do not know if that is why but do you know anything?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thank you Ivy for answering my questions but i have couples here why did Beckloff movie from the main courthouse do we know? Could it have been to many MJ fans around the main courthouse? i do not know if that is why but do you know anything?

We have already discussed this, pminton. It has nothing to do with fans. There was a shortage of judges at another court and he was moved. It happens.