[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ron Zonen tried to explain this away by saying "why would he molest Gavin during that time period? because he could, that's why". Yes of course one could argue that, but the evidence doesn't support it. The evidence points in the opposite direction.

That he could say that with a straight face tells everything about the level of sanity in that courtroom.
He could.
Yeah because he couldn't have done it in 2000 2001 or 2002 when Arvizo was almost begging to be around him
but somehow MJ was not interested in him. He only got the hots for him after the Bashir doc had aired and everyone
started to investigate him and while trying to create a video to dispel the very notion that he molested Arvizo.
That's when he suddenly couldn't control his urges, his flaming desires for this beauty:

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ron Zonen tried to explain this away by saying "why would he molest Gavin during that time period? because he could, that's why". Yes of course one could argue that, but the evidence doesn't support it. The evidence points in the opposite direction.

That he could say that with a straight face tells everything about the level of sanity in that courtroom.
He could.
Yeah because he couldn't have done it in 2000 2001 or 2002 when Arvizo was almost begging to be around him
but somehow MJ was not interested in him. He only got the hots for him after the Bashir doc had aired and everyone
started to investigate him and while trying to create a video to dispel the very notion that he molested Arvizo.
That's when he suddenly couldn't control his urges, his flaming desires for this beauty:

LOL excatly!!!! Gavin a beauty? More like a fugly mofo!

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Gavin could have been the most beautiful creature in the world and it still wouldn't have made their ludicrous accusations more credible.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Gavin could have been the most beautiful creature in the world and it still wouldn't have made their ludicrous accusations more credible.

I remember a video where Diane Dimond couldn't help but note that Jordan Chandler was so damn good looking
and Zonen said that Arvizo was a spitting imagine of Chandler. I said WHAT? Yeah they both have a head two arms
two legs.

He tried to make the case that these "molested" boys looked alike. Forgetting
that Mac Culkin, Robson looked nothing like Chandler or Arvizo.
Also forgetting that Arvizo was butt ugly and his fat brother was even uglier but we were supposed to believe
that MJ gave him alcohol too and showed him porn and allowed him sleep in his bed because......he wanted to groom him too or what?
Still remains one of history's great mysteries.

As for the boys looking alike

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I ran across a video of some pulp thing that probably ran during the trial where DD said something about how pretty Jordan was and Mac had soft pouty lips.
Personally I think that was said to add to the salaciousness of the story. I doubt looks have anything to do with real pedophilia.

 

[dannyboy72]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I remember a video where Diane Dimond couldn't help but note that Jordan Chandler was so damn good looking
and Zonen said that Arvizo was a spitting imagine of Chandler. I said WHAT? Yeah they both have a head two arms
two legs.

He tried to make the case that these "molested" boys looked alike. Forgetting
that Mac Culkin, Robson looked nothing like Chandler or Arvizo.
Also forgetting that Arvizo was butt ugly and his fat brother was even uglier but we were supposed to believe
that MJ gave him alcohol too and showed him porn and allowed him sleep in his bed because......he wanted to groom him too or what?
Still remains one of history's great mysteries.

As for the boys looking alike

So because Gavin looks like Jordie Chandler it means that he is telling the truth? so we should just ignore all the evidence and the numerous discrepancies in his story and just accept it as truth because he looks like the 1993 accuser? lmao these people are entitled to their own opinions, but just remember that juries convict defendants based on evidence and credibility, not innuendo and propaganda. And for the record, so what if Gavin resembles Chandler? these idiots act like it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Jackson molested that kid.

 

[dannyboy72]

About Wade Robson, I found this comment online:

This story was already made up in 2005, I have proof that Tom Sneddon supplied the Robsons with all the information they needed to take this scam as far as they have. They were provided with enough real dates, names and witnesses as well as the means to make it look convincing. Don’t be fooled by Wade’s lawyers attempts at so called discovery, the Robsons had everything in boxes stored at Wade’s house. I know this because my cousin was one of the movers employed to pack up his house when it was sold, and when he saw what was in those boxes he knew exactly what he was seeing because I had told him what to look out for as soon as I heard where he was working that day. Those boxes had 2005 dates on them and I have the photos my cousin took to prove it. He also took what photos he could of the contents but someone got suspicious so he had to stop. I have contacted Wade’s lawyers and told them I know everything and giving them my full details. If they don’t stop this lawsuit now I will expose them and their client. I will be posting these photos on Instagram soon, watch out for them I will give the link once it’s done.

 

[MidnightMoonwalk]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ Who posted it and when? I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. If it is, I hope the person makes their move, if they've got any relevant info. Else they're just another anonymous keyboard warrior...

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

doesnt mean the docs were given to robson in 2005. they could have been given at any point

 

[dannyboy72]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ Who posted it and when? I wouldn't be surprised if it's true. If it is, I hope the person makes their move, if they've got any relevant info. Else they're just another anonymous keyboard warrior...

It was posted on vindicatingmj

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If they really have relevant info, shouldn't they take it to Estate?

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh please like the estate are gonna do anything! Pfftt

They gave mjs catalouge to sony for crying out loud!

 

[8701girl]

About Wade Robson, I found this comment online:

This story was already made up in 2005, I have proof that Tom Sneddon supplied the Robsons with all the information they needed to take this scam as far as they have. They were provided with enough real dates, names and witnesses as well as the means to make it look convincing. Don’t be fooled by Wade’s lawyers attempts at so called discovery, the Robsons had everything in boxes stored at Wade’s house. I know this because my cousin was one of the movers employed to pack up his house when it was sold, and when he saw what was in those boxes he knew exactly what he was seeing because I had told him what to look out for as soon as I heard where he was working that day. Those boxes had 2005 dates on them and I have the photos my cousin took to prove it. He also took what photos he could of the contents but someone got suspicious so he had to stop. I have contacted Wade’s lawyers and told them I know everything and giving them my full details. If they don’t stop this lawsuit now I will expose them and their client. I will be posting these photos on Instagram soon, watch out for them I will give the link once it’s done.

And where online is it at?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Answer above

 

[Bad7]

About Wade Robson, I found this comment online:

This story was already made up in 2005, I have proof that Tom Sneddon supplied the Robsons with all the information they needed to take this scam as far as they have. They were provided with enough real dates, names and witnesses as well as the means to make it look convincing. Don’t be fooled by Wade’s lawyers attempts at so called discovery, the Robsons had everything in boxes stored at Wade’s house. I know this because my cousin was one of the movers employed to pack up his house when it was sold, and when he saw what was in those boxes he knew exactly what he was seeing because I had told him what to look out for as soon as I heard where he was working that day. Those boxes had 2005 dates on them and I have the photos my cousin took to prove it. He also took what photos he could of the contents but someone got suspicious so he had to stop. I have contacted Wade’s lawyers and told them I know everything and giving them my full details. If they don’t stop this lawsuit now I will expose them and their client. I will be posting these photos on Instagram soon, watch out for them I will give the link once it’s done.

I saw this not long ago. I believe the comment was posted in 2014. That poster never posted again. Pinch of salt.

Oh please like the estate are gonna do anything! Pfftt

They gave mjs catalouge to sony for crying out loud!

This is silly. Of course they'd do something with such information were it true and they were presented with it. It'd destroy Wade's whole case.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Oh please like the estate are gonna do anything! Pfftt

They gave mjs catalouge to sony for crying out loud!

As I remember they SOLD the catalog to Sony.
And who do you think is fighting Wade and Safechuck??
Not some blogger.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It all about the money Wade is sticking to this story. And like Michael said you tell a lie long enough you start to believe it Wade believe and his lawyers believe too. They really think they got a case and that it is going to go pass summary judgement. This lie has gone on long enough time to end it. It very clear Joy went to Michael for help i say it again if Wade was abuse by Michael why would you ask for Michael help? I hope the judge see that this case is base on lies and how Wade defend Michael in 2005 plus 2 years after Michael pass away does that sound like a person who was abuse by Michael for 7 years i don't think so. Give it up Wade.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If anyone should have incriminating information against Wade it's the Estate and not Wade's lawyers. They're not going to use it against Wade so sending them things against him is simply giving them a heads up and helping them prepare.

 

[Bad7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Can we end the whole 'Gavin was ugly' stuff, please? There's really no need for it.

It all about the money Wade is sticking to this story. And like Michael said you tell a lie long enough you start to believe it Wade believe and his lawyers believe too. They really think they got a case and that it is going to go pass summary judgement. This lie has gone on long enough time to end it. It very clear Joy went to Michael for help i say it again if Wade was abuse by Michael why would you ask for Michael help? I hope the judge see that this case is base on lies and how Wade defend Michael in 2005 plus 2 years after Michael pass away does that sound like a person who was abuse by Michael for 7 years i don't think so. Give it up Wade.

Well, we would assume Joy didn't know of any supposed untoward actions.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

None of the actual accusers look alike to me and I find it very disturbing that DD and others were commenting on the supposed good looks of these boys. That's actually a really sick thing for them to say. I'm not even sure that real pedophiles care how a child looks, from I've read it's more about who is the easiest to wear down, who has the least self confidence. The whole Arviso story just makes me laugh. We're supposed to believe that an investigation begins on MJ and his reaction is to go:

"Oh shit, you know what? I haven't molested this kid even though I've had a few years to do so and I could have done it while Gavin was ill with his cancer but you know what? Now that the police are crawling up my arse I'd better do something to him now! Then, I'll kidnap the family (except when I let Janet go out and spend thousands of dollars on MY cards and of course, not call the police or ask anyone to rescue her or her children) and then they'll make a plan to escape in a hot air balloon. Perfect!!!"

How people don't see the ludicrousness of this story is something I'll never understand. I'm not sure how molesting Gavin at age 13 is supposed to fit in with the whole pedophile thing either, they like PRE pubescent children, plus, Safechuck and Robson are claiming MJ lost interest when they got to that age, so why would he gain an interest in someone else at that same age?

 

[Bad7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

None of the actual accusers look alike to me and I find it very disturbing that DD and others were commenting on the supposed good looks of these boys. That's actually a really sick thing for them to say. I'm not even sure that real pedophiles care how a child looks, from I've read it's more about who is the easiest to wear down, who has the least self confidence. The whole Arviso story just makes me laugh. We're supposed to believe that an investigation begins on MJ and his reaction is to go:

"Oh shit, you know what? I haven't molested this kid even though I've had a few years to do so and I could have done it while Gavin was ill with his cancer but you know what? Now that the police are crawling up my arse I'd better do something to him now! Then, I'll kidnap the family (except when I let Janet go out and spend thousands of dollars on MY cards and of course, not call the police or ask anyone to rescue her or her children) and then they'll make a plan to escape in a hot air balloon. Perfect!!!"

How people don't see the ludicrousness of this story is something I'll never understand. I'm not sure how molesting Gavin at age 13 is supposed to fit in with the whole pedophile thing either, they like PRE pubescent children, plus, Safechuck and Robson are claiming MJ lost interest when they got to that age, so why would he gain an interest in someone else at that same age?

That's because had MJ touched Gavin he wouldn't of been a paedophile, he'd of been a hebephile. The different terms for the age groups are never really used. Every child molester is deemed a paedophile, when there are actually three set terms depending on the age group of children. The prosecution and Stan Katz referred to MJ as a paedophile (Katz stating MJ didn't even 'really qualify' as one) but it was actually wrong.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's because had MJ touched Gavin he wouldn't of been a paedophile, he'd of been a hebephile. The different terms for the age groups are never really used. Every child molester is deemed a paedophile, when there are actually three set terms depending on the age group of children. The prosecution and Stan Katz referred to MJ as a paedophile (Katz stating MJ didn't even 'really qualify' as one) but it was actually wrong.

That's exactly right, most people have never even heard the word hebephile and wouldn't have a clue what it meant. If people want to believe all claims about MJ they'll have to believe he was both.

 

[Bad7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's exactly right, most people have never even heard the word hebephile and wouldn't have a clue what it meant. If people want to believe all claims about MJ they'll have to believe he was both.

One of the many bizarre parts of Wade's story is him claiming he was 7 when the abuse began. Wade is the only boy to claim abuse in the age category that would make MJ fit the 'paedophile' tag. The others have him only fitting a 'hebephile' tag.* It's another part of the story that makes little sense.

* Aside from the lies of Daniel Kapon and his Mother who claimed abuse from the age of 3.

I think Wade was a bit stuck there, though. He knew MJ from age 7, so it'd sound doubtful to claim it took until he fit into the hebephile age group to claim abuse. However, in claiming abuse from age 7 his story stands on its own which adds to the doubt.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

MJ was neither a pedophile or a hebephile, so I don't see the significance in differentiating the two terms in this case. Technically, I get it, but it is really irrelevant to this case because we are not defending MJ by saying: "oh he just had sex with 13/14-16/18 year-olds, but not ones with under the age of 13/14". He never had sex with anyone under the age of 18, period.

BTW, I have now seen people call Prince a pedophile because he supposedly admitted (supposedly he talked about it on Larry King, I haven't seen the interview myself) to have been dating the then 16 year old Mayte Garcia. Now, if that is true and he really admitted to it, it would make sense to differentiate between a pedophile and hebephile in that case because even if it is true it definitely does not make him a pedophile.

 

[Bad7]

MJ was neither a pedophile or a hebephile, so I don't see the significance in differentiating the two terms in this case. Technically, I get it, but it is really irrelevant to this case because we are not defending MJ by saying: "oh he just had sex with 13/14-16/18 year-olds, but not ones with under the age of 13/14". He never had sex with anyone under the age of 18, period.

BTW, I have now seen people call Prince a pedophile because he supposedly admitted (supposedly he talked about it on Larry King, I haven't seen the interview myself) to have been dating the then 16 year old Mayte Garcia. Now, if that is true and he really admitted to it, it would make sense to differentiate between a pedophile and hebephile in that case because even if it is true it definitely does not make him a pedophile.

You're probably right. I thought MJ Researcher didn't realise there were other terms than paedophile, but they did. That's why I mentioned the hebephile term initially.

Edit: Not to steer towards Prince, but Mayte had said nothing happened until she was 18.

“I’d always been a very focused dancer and very protected,” she said. “Prince was my first crush, and my first love, but we didn’t start to get serious until I turned 18. He was very respectful.”

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's exactly right, most people have never even heard the word hebephile and wouldn't have a clue what it meant. If people want to believe all claims about MJ they'll have to believe he was both.

Ive never heard the term "hebephile" its the first for me, so does it mean like a older guy molesting a teenager?

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

As I remember they SOLD the catalog to Sony.
And who do you think is fighting Wade and Safechuck??
Not some blogger.

Umm same thing and we all know that is what mj DID NOT WANT

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Can we end the whole 'Gavin was ugly' stuff, please? There's really no need for it.

The obsession with their looks is disturbing and it doesn't prove anything anyway so why rehash it? :smilerolleyes:

 

[Bad7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Delete.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Can we end the whole 'Gavin was ugly' stuff, please? There's really no need for it.

Don't worry. It's not gonna hurt his feelings. But yeah. He was uglier inside than outside. Still is.

The obsession with their looks is disturbing and it doesn't prove anything anyway so why rehash it? :smilerolleyes:

Dan Abrahms also made that argument about them looking alike. Indeed disturbing.