[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks. Shame Radar deleted all the comments. I see his cousin also posted more messages.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...tate/page269?p=3864426&viewfull=1#post3864426



This one strikes me as odd. 'For a long time the family suspected that Wade might have been abused'... what family members? His mother and sister never had any suspicions.

'I shared this document with Wade after he let us know that Michael did in fact abuse him. It is possible that he has submitted this to the court as new evidence.'

WTF? A word document, created by Wade's suspicious Auntie, is possibly submitted as evidence? Is this the best evidence they can submit(?) There's no proof who typed it out and these words are his Father's supposed suspicions with no evidence (Evan Chandler came to my mind typing that sentence out).

His father did not even live with them. Joy, Wade and Chantal lived in the US, while the father stayed in Australia with the oldest brother (I think his name is Shane). Joy and her husband were kind of estranged. When you read their testimonies in 2005 you can see that they met with the father like once a year. So any "suspicion" the father or the aunt supposedly had was probably based on whatever BS was said about MJ on TV because they weren't actually a big part of Wade's life after Joy moved to the US with Wade and Chantal. Plus the husband had bipolar disorder that resulted in his suicide in 1999.

 

[Bad7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

His father did not even live with them. Joy, Wade and Chantal lived in the US, while the father stayed in Australia with the oldest brother (I think his name is Shane). Joy and her husband were kind of estranged. When you read their testimonies in 2005 you can see that they met with the father like once a year. So any "suspicion" the father or the aunt supposedly had was probably based on whatever BS was said about MJ on TV because they weren't actually a big part of Wade's life after Joy moved to the US with Wade and Chantal. Plus the husband had bipolar disorder that resulted in his suicide in 1999.

Am I right in thinking Wade mentioned his Father's suicide in a court document (if you know)? As if to make out he committed suicide due to believing his son had been molested... yet there's no proof that's why he did it.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I made up my mind a long time ago. Wade is only do this because Michael is not here to defend himself against these lies if Michael was here you would not see this at all Wade using the excuse of not remember not understand what was happening i do not believe it. This is the same person who defend Michael in 2005 by saying he was never abuse by Michael Jackson. I feel the same way about showing the emotion if you have been abuse you will show the emotion but in Wade case it not there because it never happen plain and simple. It all about the money forget what Michael has done for his family Wade does not care.

What really get me is Joy who is the parent here you think she would be very angry and upset that her son was abuse by Michael no show of emotion there either in less she is part of this lie because she want some of the money too. There is so much against Wade and James in these cases it unreal there is no prove to what they are claiming happen to them it is really time to end this mess. Let Michael rest in peace it time to move on.


If the court let this case get pass summary judgement then it would have been on lies and not the true.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Am I right in thinking Wade mentioned his Father's suicide in a court document (if you know)? As if to make out he committed suicide due to believing his son had been molested... yet there's no proof that's why he did it.

This is what his complaint has about the father. (Sorry, I had the date of his suicide wrong previously. He committed suicide in 2002.)

Yeah, they try to imply that his suicide has something to do with anxiety about possible abuse, but it's BS. IMO it's no rocket science: bipolar people are susceptible to suicide.

The mood disorders (depression and bipolar manic-depression) are by far the most common psychiatric conditions associated with suicide. At least 25% to 50% of patients with bipolar disorder also attempt suicide at least once.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10826661


BTW, I think another reason why the false memories theory doesn't work is that he does not claim repressed memories. He claims he knew all along. If he all of a sudden had false memories of abuse then those would arise in the form of some sort of repressed memories unless we say he had those false memories all along.

Now, is it possible that he is trying to convince himself of the truthfulness of his claims now, after he made his allegations - just to feel better about himself? Who knows what a sick mind is capable of, so maybe but IMO whatever he is trying hard to convince himself of deep down he knows it is not true and he sure knew it when he made his allegations. That complaint reeks of a contemplated, premeditated, opportunistic money grab.

Oh, and here's yet another point. When he filed his complaint he wanted it to remain under seal citing the privacy interests of the accused as a reason. Which means, on contrary to what he publicly claims - ie. that it's not about money but about the "truth" coming out - it is all about money. Had it remained under seal as he wished all he could got from it was money. He could not have talked about his alleged "truth" in public.

 

[bluemoon7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is what his complaint has about the father. (Sorry, I had the date of his suicide wrong previously. He committed suicide in 2002.)

Yeah, they try to imply that his suicide has something to do with anxiety about possible abuse, but it's BS. IMO it's no rocket science: bipolar people are susceptible to suicide.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10826661

Yes - As cold as this sounds, being suicidal / attempting or committing suicide is a frequent symptom in patients bith a bipolar disorder.

(Oh, I just saw your link where the connection is being explained ...)

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I guess I have a hard time seeing it from your perspective respect77, as I can't see how somebody who knew MJ for as long as Wade did would do something as dispicible as this just for a payout. Maybe I'm naive, but I would rather believe that Wade has convinced himself of something that never happened than done something that callous.

I think you must be a really nice person, Matty, to try to give him the benefit of the doubt and have a hard time believing that someone would do something so despicable. I always think the best of people and I, myself, have been stabbed in the back more times than I can count.

People lie, steal, cheat and kill for money all the time-this time, we're talking possible millions.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That why i don't understand why the ppls can't see this it all about the money plain and simple. Wade couldn't sue a dead man so now he want to sue the companies because he feel they are the one who let this happen companies are not ppls because Michael own the companies so that why Wade lawyers are saying the companies had a reason to know. this is just so crazy and to think it all a lie to get money sad.

 

[redfrog]

Jimmy Kimmel's chatshow and Wade is talking about what a huge talent MJ is etc and then Jimmy replies with "but where did he touch you?" and then the whole audience starts laughing.

Which shows who the real perverts are. Society thinks about sex when they hear that MJ shared his bed with kids.
It wasn't MJ who thought about sex.

Frankly, anyone who thinks that sharing a bed with a CHILD is somehow sexual is a pervert.
But of course 99% of people won't admit that.

Remember the interview with Amy Agajanian when she said she spends almost all of her time with MJ when
she's on the ranch? The audience that started to laugh. Bunch of perverts.
It wasn't MJ who thought about Amy that way it was the "normal" people.
They are so full of themselves they think they are so right when they scream a grown man should not sleep with unrelated kids
they don't recognize that they are completely unable to see the situation as non-sexual and that's the result of their own
filthy sick mind.

as I can't see how somebody who knew MJ for as long as Wade did would do something as dispicible as this just for a payout.

Bob Jones knew MJ for 30 years, since he was a kid and what did he do for money?
Team up with Stacy Brown and release a despicable book accusing MJ of all kinds of horrible things.
Murray was his doctor and what did he do for money? Come out of jail and humiliate MJ on TV and insinuate that he was a pedo.
This is the recurring theme when it comes to MJ: people who say they are his friends backstabbing him for the mighty dollar.
The Chandlers did it, Arvizos did it, Jones did it, Schaffel did it, Quincy Jones is doing it right now having the same lawyers who represent Robson/Safechuck and called MJ a monster just because he wants millions from the Estate.
Wade's career is in the toilet has been for a while. If he cannot get money out of this scheme he is toast. So of course he
would do this for money. Especially since he doesn't have to face his ""good friend" Michael.

I don't think it's a case of false memories. It's a case of a very conscious money grab.

LOL "a very conscious money grab" should be recognized by APA as a mental disorder.

Fortunately the Estate could prove he was lying through his teeth since he sent out e-mails to friends in September 2012 in which he basically talked about suing the Estate. I guess he did not expect the Estate would find out about that e-mail.

I still would like to know how the Estate managed to learn that. Did one of the recipients inform them? Someone who knew what Robson was doing and claiming and didn't like it?

Oh yeah, that too. Consider the timeline of his allegations:

Some time in 2010 - First approached about Cirque which he turns down (no reason given)
Some time in 2010 - Jamie King is hired to direct MJ Immortal (article dated November 3, 2010: https://www.cirquedusoleil.com/en/press/news/2010/mj-presale.aspx)
November 2010 - Son born
December 2010 - Offered to direct Step Up 4
April 2011 - He's out of the movie citing personal reasons
April-August 2011 - 1st nervous breakdown
Early 2011 - Charles Joron from Cirque "considers" giving him an offer about Immortal, but he tells him it needs to be validated by MJ Estate.
First quarter of 2011 - Meets with Branca about Cirque plans. (But he didn't know about the Estate. LOL.)
May 16, 2011 - Starts cognitive therapy for about a month. Does not make allegations.
May 21, 2011 - Sends e-mail to Estate telling them he wanted to do the Cirque show "badly". (But he didn't know about the Estate. LOL.)
Mid-July, 2011 - Returns to work with "former sense of invincibility".
July 30, 2011 - Announces he's gonna direct Cirque du Soleil's MJ show. (This is extremely weird and bizarre video because in reality he did NOT actaully have the job. Jamie King did.)
http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/11/wade-robson-michael-jackson-cirque-du-soleil-video/
March, 2012 - 2nd nervous breakdown
Mid-April, 2012 - Starts insight-oriented therapy with another therapist.
May 8, 2012 - Makes allegations to his therapist, the first time ever.
September, 2012 - Sends e-mails to relatives and friends about a “transformational time” in his life and about it being "an extremely sensitive legal matter". (But he still didn't know about the Estate and the possibility that he can sue. LOL.)
March 2013 - Hires attorneys Gradstein and Marzano.
May 1, 2013 - Files complaint.

Where did you get all these dates from? How do you know Cirque approached him in 2010 etc?
And exactly when did the Estate pick Jamie King?

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Where did you get all these dates from? How do you know Cirque approached him in 2010 etc?
And exactly when did the Estate pick Jamie King?

The information I compiled from several documents: court docs and articles. I don't know now exactly where the Cirque info was. Either in court docs or articles. The Jamie King info is in an article on Cirque's website. I gave the link, you only have to click on it and check the date of the article. I don't know when exactly they picked him (why does it matter?) but by November 2010 he was already hired apparently.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't know when exactly they picked him (why does it matter?) but by November 2010 he was already hired apparently.

In relation to when Robson was asked. I'd like to know whether it was a competition, the Estate contacted both at the same time and challenged them to come up with ideas or the Estate first thought about
Robson and then only contacted King after Robson turned it down.

If the former and King won because he was better that would be further evidence that Robson is taking revenge on the Estate and
his story that he simply turn it down is bogus. It makes no sense in light of his email either where he said he would like to do it badly.

 

[HIStory]

I think he was probably first offered with the job but at the time (in 2010) he had other plans so he declined. (There are other articles from the time when he said he was turning down jobs left and right because he and his wife were working on the script of their first feature movie.*) I guess later he changed his mind, maybe the script did not go as planned and by 2011 he did want to do it, but by then Jamie King was already selected. But it seems he was pushing for the job then by meeting with Branca, writing them an e-mail how badly he wanted to do it and announcing it in July 30, 2011 that he is working on the MJ Cirque show when that wasn't true. As if he thought if he would announce it would make it reality. It's just weird.

* Here is some info on it as collected by mjjr.net

In early 2009, Wade foreshadowed the impending destruction of his choreographing career in an interview with Dance Informa: "We were supposed to do this Britney tour but it was just another distraction and we really want to move into film and really make this the next path for us... I spend most of my time saying no to jobs, probably to my own demise..." (Wade and Amanda were initially selected to direct Britney Spears' Circus tour, but were subsequently replaced). At this point, Wade and Amanda were determined to let nothing get in their way of their new passion in film.

In 2009, after more than a year of continual work on their conceptual film's script, Wade stated that it was his intent to start shooting the film later that year: "...it's five days a week, as soon as we wake up until the sun comes down. That's what we're doing all day, every day. We're just making a move to get this done." Apart from the sporadic tasks that Wade involved himself with from 2009 onward—including writing a touching tribute to Michael Jackson in Opus after he passed away and collaborating with Janet Jackson on a Michael Jackson tribute at the VMAs—Wade and Amanda's concentration remained steadfast on their planned film projects.


Months passed. The Robsons continued working behind-the-scenes on their first feature film and related self-projects, all the while admittedly turning away many potential opportunities that had come their way. Wade and his wife were replaced by Jamie King for Britney Spears' Circus tour. The untitled film that had consumed years of the Robsons' lives never materialized. The theatrical play that Wade mentioned in interviews likewise remained little more than a figment in the mind's eye.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...on/robson_film.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=hu

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

At this point, Wade and Amanda were determined to let nothing get in their way of their new passion in film.

In 2009, after more than a year of continual work on their conceptual film's script, Wade stated that it was his intent to start shooting the film later that year: "...it's five days a week, as soon as we wake up until the sun comes down. That's what we're doing all day, every day. We're just making a move to get this done."

Aha. So Wade was passionate about making films, the very thing his rapist prophesized and had absolutely no problem with that because he did not yet realized that he was raped.
But now that he has realized that he absolutely cannot do anything resembling a film....except when he needs some money fast.
Or will he argue that he didn't realize what film was while shooting a short film?

What the **** is that word document all about? LOL Is that their smoking gun evidence?
His mother typed a word document and then kept it on her computer not showing it to anyone because
she was very concerned that Wade was abused?
Or she did show it to someone and that someone was also very concerned and they still didn't
talk to Wade or Joy or Chantal?
Or they did talk to them but obviously all three of them refused to have the same concern?
Why type a document at all if she can just pick up the phone? What was her intention with that document?

the whole thing is smelling from desperation. They don't have real proof so they try to fabricate something
except it doesn't make any sense in light of what Joy, Chantal and Wade were saying and doing for 20+ years.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I read over the weekend that the CA legislature is trying to get rid of the statute of limitations for rape, child moleststion, etc. again and they're close to passing it.
Several other states have already changed their laws.

I'm wondering if this has any bearing on why these cases are taking so long. Maybe it's political. Of course, that means criminal law, but I guess it could affect civil law too.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't get it why would CA want to get rid of the statute of limitations do they understand what a problem they will have ppls will come out and say they have been rape, child moleststion and it happen 20 years ago and the court would have to believe it as true because there is no limit on the crime. That why it should stay in there.

Barbee i hope this is not why these case is taking this long. Where would they put them the jails are over crowd now in CA.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Im not sure. I think it's a political response to the Church abuse scandals. The article I read used Cosby case as example.
I think it's wrong. I feel sorry for victims and think they should have day in court, but with no limit you have usually old or no evidence, bad faulty memories etc.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Makes no difference to these cases. Firstly mj isnt here and secondly its a civil case. Dont really agree with not having statues. Firstly it makes cases hard to prosecute because of lack of evidence/memories/witnesses and especially in the USA it gives ppl/DA's free rain to make accusations and the money attention etc it gives them

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I read over the weekend that the CA legislature is trying to get rid of the statute of limitations for rape, child moleststion, etc. again and they're close to passing it.
Several other states have already changed their laws.

I'm wondering if this has any bearing on why these cases are taking so long. Maybe it's political. Of course, that means criminal law, but I guess it could affect civil law too.

You cannot sue a person who is dead. In this case the relevant laws are Estate laws in probate court and the civil lawsuit is about companies. So I don't think this law (which is about criminal law anyway) would have a relevance to this case. For them to make it possible for Robson to sue MJ in a civil court they should not only change statutes of limitations laws but also the law about civil courts not having a jurisdiction over deceased people. It would make people file all kind of lawsuits for money against deceased people who are unable to defend themselves. Just wouldn't be fair, so I don't see it happening. This seems to target rather living defendants.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^I just find it unfair no matter what. After many years a living defendant couldn't properly defend himself either.
This just seems to be another knee jerk response to some really awful cases.

 

[Bad7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Of course Wade's case is hugely flawed, but I thought of another issue the other day. He claims companies had knowledge of him being abused. He claims to of been abused during the Chandler saga. The police were totally fooled then. How is it these companies all had knowledge of what was going on yet a law enforcement who spent months trying to put together a criminal case never had a clue?

How is it that MJ couldn't hide it from employees of companies, but left the police totally oblivious?

 

[Lil]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^I don't know, it's very remarkable.. but if we were to believe these people, Neverland's staff knew, his secretary knew, the 'victim's' parents knew, even his own family - apparently everybody knew and he left evidence behind left and right, but when 80 police officers turned his entire house upside down nobody said a word and they couldn't find anything.. not a single substantial piece of evidence to prove he was what they accused him of.
That has always been one of the biggest examples of his innocence imo, the fact that he didn't own anything incriminating - no child pornography, no pictures, no videos, no files on his computers, no websites visited.. nothing

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^I don't know, it's very remarkable.. but if we were to believe these people, Neverland's staff knew, his secretary knew, the 'victim's' parents knew, even his own family - apparently everybody knew and he left evidence behind left and right, but when 80 police officers turned his entire house upside down nobody said a word and they couldn't find anything.. not a single substantial piece of evidence to prove he was what they accused him of.
That has always been one of the biggest examples of his innocence imo, the fact that he didn't own anything incriminating - no child pornography, no pictures, no videos, no files on his computers, no websites visited.. nothing

This is why these cases need end love your post beautiful.

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Of course Wade's case is hugely flawed, but I thought of another issue the other day. He claims companies had knowledge of him being abused. He claims to of been abused during the Chandler saga. The police were totally fooled then. How is it these companies all had knowledge of what was going on yet a law enforcement who spent months trying to put together a criminal case never had a clue?

How is it that MJ couldn't hide it from employees of companies, but left the police totally oblivious?

So wade is saying mj abused while the chandler allegations were goin on??... if so thats laughable! :lol: :lol:

So mike gonna abuse a kid while hes been legally accused of abusing another kid....rightttt......makes sense lol

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You got it. That why these cases need to be throw out all Wade want is money he has none.

 

[Bad7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So wade is saying mj abused while the chandler allegations were goin on??... if so thats laughable! :lol: :lol:

So mike gonna abuse a kid while hes been legally accused of abusing another kid....rightttt......makes sense lol

Yep. It's ridiculous. Wade says he was abused until 1996 if I'm not mistaken. So Lisa Marie never found out? He's suing companies but not Lisa Marie... one can only wonder why. /s

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well Sneddon claimed that mj had started to molest Gavin only after Sneddon started investigating him! We are used to absurdities when it comes to allegations against mj

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Dont give him ideas he might just sue lisa! I dont like her but that she doesnt deserve. Lisa did say they slept together so i wonder how on earth would mike find the time to even molest wade with lisa by his stand?! If that was the case lisa would've punched his lights out! Lol

Seriously wade has loose screws in his head :crazy:

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well Sneddon claimed that mj had started to molest Gavin only after Sneddon started investigating him! We are used to absurdities when it comes to allegations against mj

Bwhahahahaha !!!! LOL righhttt so mike would be like " my ass is getting chased by the prosecutor for molestation but im gonna do it anyway" ..yeh makes sense LMAO!!!

Sneddon was another one that seriously had major loose screws in his head :lol:

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Refresh my memory how long does a summary judgement take?

 

[dannyboy72]

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Bwhahahahaha !!!! LOL righhttt so mike would be like " my ass is getting chased by the prosecutor for molestation but im gonna do it anyway" ..yeh makes sense LMAO!!!

Sneddon was another one that seriously had major loose screws in his head :lol:

Ron Zonen tried to explain this away by saying "why would he molest Gavin during that time period? because he could, that's why". Yes of course one could argue that, but the evidence doesn't support it. The evidence points in the opposite direction.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Imo there is no evidence here to support Wade case.