[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

OK. I'm sorry.


Hey all...

Sorry, I've been out of the loop... so where are we at? Can anyone tell me briefly? I know that Safechuck and Robson's initial claims have been dismissed and that they have applied for a civil claim against the MJ productions/Estate. Any progress from that?

I'm waiting for WR to release a book or go on national TV about his bullshit. Will he be allowed to do that?

Cheers.

S
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Mar 22 we may hear something i hope.


(hearing date.) ruling will come later. From Ivy post


Tal this thread you know will still be going right up to the hearing even if there is no news right now.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What happen to that hearing that was supposed to be on 16th of this month?
Case Number: BC508502
WADE ROBSON VS DOE 1 ET AL
Filing Date: 05/10/2013
Case Type: Other PI/PD/WD (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Cases Related: BP117321 on 06/06/2013
Future Hearings

None
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Isn't the case now in appeal court?

The Estate filed an appeal against Beckloff's ruling about the demurrer. I think that was the last news we had about the Robson case.

So I guess until it is in appeal court and they don't decide about the demurrer there is no reason to go on here in this court. But I am just speculating.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I agree with Respect. there is one active appeal about the civil case. So they probably took the hearing off from calendar to wait for the appeal outcome.
 
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I hope the Estate win the appeal and this will be over.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Aha, ok.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Isn't the case now in appeal court?

The Estate filed an appeal against Beckloff's ruling about the demurrer. I think that was the last news we had about the Robson case.

So I guess until it is in appeal court and they don't decide about the demurrer there is no reason to go on here in this court. But I am just speculating.


That where we are.
 
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Ivy ?@Ivy_4MJ 7 Std.vor 7 Stunden

MJ Estate appeal to overturn judge's decision (allow Robson case to proceed) has been denied. Now there will be discovery & summary judgment
 
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Ivy ?@Ivy_4MJ 7 Std.vor 7 Stunden

MJ Estate appeal to overturn judge's decision (allow Robson case to proceed) has been denied. Now there will be discovery & summary judgment
Unbelevable.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Unbelevable.

Not so unbeliavable.

I don't think appeal courts overrule Judge's decisions easily, except when it is blatantly wrong. This wasn't really.

The Judge addressed the three elements of CCP 340.1 (b) in his ruling:

1) know, reason to know
2) MJ being the representative or agent of the companies
3) whether the companies could control MJ

2) was not challenged by the Estate (I guess being an owner of a company can be argued to be an agent or representative of a company) and of 1) and 3) the Judge simply said they cannot be decided on demurrer which is why it needs to go ahead to summary judgement where discovery can be made. He said at the point of the demurrer he does not have enough information on the companies's structure, ownership (it was only discussed in the demurrer phase based on "information and belief", not based on actual documents) and decision making process and who had what right for it to be decided on demurrer. He also said the "know, reason to know" element needs further discovery to decide about. That's all he said, and I don't think this is blatantly wrong, enough for an appeal court to overturn it. I was pretty surprised that the Estate appealed, but I thought maybe they see a chance for some reason and if they do they need try it even if it is slim IMO. They did and it did not go their way but the case can still be thrown out on summary judgement.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Not surprising thanks for the info respect
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

so summary judgement is next and where evidence can be presented correct? I am pretty sure it can be tossed at summary judgement considering the plaintiff has no proof whatsoever that the companies were responsible for anything considering his own mother was begging the companies for assistance.:bored:
 
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so summary judgement is next and where evidence can be presented correct? I am pretty sure it can be tossed at summary judgement considering the plaintiff has no proof whatsoever that the companies were responsible for anything considering his own mother was begging the companies for assistance.:bored:

I agree with you on this Wade has no proof that the companies had a reason to know or were aware this was going on so it could end in summary judgement.

I was hoping the Estate could get it overturn but like respect77 said it was a slim chance that okay just a little setback.

So as we know the companies are not ppls. Wade is suing the companies.
 
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Yes, they can present evidence, they can do depositions of people.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Not so unbeliavable.

I don't think appeal courts overrule Judge's decisions easily, except when it is blatantly wrong. This wasn't really.

The Judge addressed the three elements of CCP 340.1 (b) in his ruling:

1) know, reason to know
2) MJ being the representative or agent of the companies
3) whether the companies could control MJ


1. How does Safechuck's complaint satisfy even those three things? In Robson's case the judge used Robson's employment
as the reason why the companies owned a duty of care. But in Safechuck's case not even that is true.

2. Beckloff will continue to preside over the summary judgement or there's another judge?

3. Won't Beckloff be biased against the Estate because they tried to overturn his ruling? Or it's quite routine?

4. Where the hell is Norma Staikos? Is she even alive? Is she in the US or Greece?
 
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Ivy ?@Ivy_4MJ 7 Std.vor 7 Stunden

MJ Estate appeal to overturn judge's decision (allow Robson case to proceed) has been denied. Now there will be discovery & summary judgment

What the FRICK!!!? First I hear Dennis Wideman's 20 game suspension appeal being denied and now this!? Damn the whole system!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't think there is any need to be this much melodramatic to be honest.

chances of winning an appeal is around 20%. I appreciated Estate trying to appeal but the result isn't that surprising or unexpected.

We also know that this isn't over yet. There is still the option of summary judgment.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't think there is any need to be this much melodramatic to be honest.

chances of winning an appeal is around 20%. I appreciated Estate trying to appeal but the result isn't that surprising or unexpected.

We also know that this isn't over yet. There is still the option of summary judgment.

Well it should've been over, but no it has to keep on going. And to point out, I'm not melodramatic, more like frustrated to be precise. Well if it keeps on going, then so be it, but those backstabbers will lose.
 
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For the summary judgement will it be the same judge who denied the Estate or does it go back to Becklof or will we see a new judge.
 
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Beckloff
 
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Thanks Ivy.
 
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Beckloff

Good, he knows this case anyway. One thing I keep wondering is if Robson and Safechuck filed their cases hoping people in the public and the judge might look at this as being similar to the garbage that's been happening with the Catholic church, recently I've seen more people comparing all that mess with MJ, it's become easy for people to think it's the same even though it's not. This judge is smart though and already called Wade out on when he really knew he could sue the estate when he dismissed Robson's other claim. Will be very interesting to see what happens next.
 
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Beckloff
What cases did the new judge take over then? I thought he took the civil cases and Beckloff kept the probate ones.
 
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Beckloff

Then what happened to that other judge you said was taking over the case?
 
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I'm thinking it would stay with Beckloff despite the transfer notice. Both probate and Tohme cases did. We'll have to wait to see a hearing date set up to be sure.
 
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I guess because the appeal stopped the process, enough time passed to Beckloff to have come back from the court he was temporarily transferred. So I guess in practice the new Judge did not really do anything in this case and now Beckloff is back.

As for a question above, whether the appeal won't turn Beckloff against the Estate: I would hope he is more professional than to take an appeal personally.

Good, he knows this case anyway. One thing I keep wondering is if Robson and Safechuck filed their cases hoping people in the public and the judge might look at this as being similar to the garbage that's been happening with the Catholic church, recently I've seen more people comparing all that mess with MJ, it's become easy for people to think it's the same even though it's not. This judge is smart though and already called Wade out on when he really knew he could sue the estate when he dismissed Robson's other claim. Will be very interesting to see what happens next.

That's strange. I virtually never see anyone talk about these case except for fans and haters. When people mention the allegations at all, they either mention the 1993 case or the trial in 2005.

Of course, it's not similar at all.

Victims of pedophile priests may bury their molestation deep in themselves because they usually do not know about other victims existing and they think no one would believe them. When one of them comes out that breaks the dam and that prompts a lot of others come forward. That's not what is happening here. The dam should have been broken a long, long time ago - in 1993 or in 2005. But instead these guys went on to defend MJ in public and to authorities, they went on to have family BBQs with him or being their umbrella holders or assistants at video shootings. Then, conveniently, when MJ is gone and cannot defend himself any more, and when they have a mid-life crisis and do not want to work any more, all of a sudden they realize that they were sexually abused and claim that despite of those two public rounds of allegations in 1993 and 2005 they just never before realized it was abuse or wrong. Two very public rounds of allegations were not enough for them to realize that, but the birth of their kids or seeing another guy on TV talking about a civil lawsuit he filed for money suddenly makes them to see the light, or whatever BS is claimed today, because their claims are as confusing and as contradictory as it gets. And suddenly they want "justice", of course in the form of money - but they did not want REAL justice in 2005 when they could have got the guy locked up and help out another alleged victim. It seems in MJ's cases "justice" ALWAYS, without exception, takes the form of money. (Of course, monetary compensation can indeed be the only form of justice in certain cases, but not here. Here for decades these guys had the chance to lock up the guy, because of those two very public rounds of allegations and a criminal trial in 2005 and because of DA who was very much willing to believe anyone who who wanted to claim molestation.)

And it's not about money but getting the "truth" out there, according to them, yet they wanted their complaint remain under seal citing the defendant's privacy as a reason. It's not about money but they file desperate lawsuits against companies trying to get money out of them while it was Robson's mother who begged those companies to arrange green cards for them to the US. But interestingly Robson's mother is not made responsible for anything. But it's not about money, but the "truth" - yeah, right. And in Safechuck's case, it's not about money, but he sues companies and tries to make companies responsible that did not even have anything to do with him. Meanwhile he too does not hold his own parents responsible. But companies that had nothing to do with him are. But yeah, it's not about money.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

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His temporary assignment at the Appeals court is over so he is back at superior court. But he is at Santa Monica court house. Most recently I have seen Tohme case moved to that courthouse. Probate etc hasn't had much activity recently. We'll see for sure soon.
 
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