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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

barbee0715 said:
Oh, I have no doubt that this forum has been read by them or members of the legal team. It's a well known forum that comes up when you do a search.
I would be rather disheartened if I were them though, since most of their arguments get blown out of the water by the informed members of this forum the second they're filed.
I'm surprised they keep going.
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I suppose for the legal team at least part of it is professional reputation. Their a major law firm and I doubt they want to admit they (knowingly) aligned themselves with to a case that's going nowhere fast.
 
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^^^True-think about how embarrassing it must have been for them from the very first day it was made public.
And every claim Wade made was contradicted by fact.

I do think that's why they have been pleading the case on emotion, rather than law.
 
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pminton said:
If their do look in this forum their will see we go by the law we have took Wade and James cases apart their lies have seen the light there is no more their lawyers can do.

I would love to have a judge look at this thread then he can see why are we dealing with this case it is a waste of tax payer money a case where the companies are not even ppls go figure. Barbee i like this part I would be rather disheartened if I were them though, since most of their arguments get blown out of the water by the informed members of this forum the second they're filed.
I'm surprised they keep going. Let hope the judge can end this.
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I would like to see the judge see our voices heard and end all of Robson's and STABchuck's bull$#!^ quickly. Otherwise I'll keep blasting the justice system if he didn't.
 
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barbee0715 said:
Oh, I have no doubt that this forum has been read by them or members of the legal team. It's a well known forum that comes up when you do a search.
I would be rather disheartened if I were them though, since most of their arguments get blown out of the water by the informed members of this forum the second they're filed.
I'm surprised they keep going.
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Here's the reason why:

 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You got that right all about the money their want it plain and simple.
 
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Bad7 said:
Here's the reason why:

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That was a terrific answer. When I clicked the video on, it made me smile.

Haven't heard that song in a long time-it has a really great chorus, doesn't it?

Oddly enough, I woke up today thinking about one big regret I have about Michael's career is that a big deal was always made about how much money he was making. I remember an old interview when he was still with his brothers (probably around Triumph) and he told the reporter that they were all probably millionaires, but why was that even important.
I think that kind of press made him sound like the wealthiest person in the entire world and therefore more of a target for the greed and envy that surrounded him.
The Estate still does that. I understand they're proud, but I wish that would stop.
 
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barbee0715 said:
That was a terrific answer. When I clicked the video on, it made me smile.

Haven't heard that song in a long time-it has a really great chorus, doesn't it?

Oddly enough, I woke up today thinking about one big regret I have about Michael's career is that a big deal was always made about how much money he was making. I remember an old interview when he was still with his brothers (probably around Triumph) and he told the reporter that they were all probably millionaires, but why was that even important.
I think that kind of press made him sound like the wealthiest person in the entire world and therefore more of a target for the greed and envy that surrounded him.
The Estate still does that. I understand they're proud, but I wish that would stop.
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Great chorus and lyrics as a whole.

Indeed. What this could do is lead to the possibility of other's making claims.
 
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Although its Pretty obvious that mj made money and was very rich nothing that could or wouldnt be said would ever change that . Rich ppl are always are target its been like that since the begining of time. Even if you dont say look im rich its pretty obvious to anyone that zy or z has money
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
Although its Pretty obvious that mj made money and was very rich nothing that could or wouldnt be said would ever change that . Rich ppl are always are target its been like that since the begining of time. Even if you dont say look im rich its pretty obvious to anyone that zy or z has money
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True. However, look at Wade's claim for example. He filed it in May 2013, despite him claiming he 'realised he'd been abused' in May of 2012. MJ's estate still had debts to pay. In July of 2012 TMZ revealed the estate had paid off MJ's debts and another debt involving MJ's publishing catalogue would be paid off by the end of 2012.
 
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Telling what Michael Jackson Estate is bring in will open up claims to sue Michael Estate like you mention Bad7 TMZ reveal that Michael debts will be paid off in 2012 so Wade is thinking oh the Estate will be able to settle to keep this from going to trial guess again Wade not happening. That why this case is all about money it very odd that Wade wait until after 2012 to claim he was abuse by Michael. The Estate should not say what Michael Jackson Estate is bring in is there a way that can be kept from the press and ppls like TMZ. I had to click on Money i could not pass it up love that song you are on it Bad7
 
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It's true that millionaires and celebrities can be targets. But a LOT of celebrities are involved in children's causes. Three of the most famous and rich are Audrey Hepburn, Danny Kaye, and Danny Thomas. Danny Thomas was particularly rich. You can't think about them without thinking of their work with kids.

The wealth was never flaunted or really even written about as with Michael. It always made it sound like he was sitting on mountains of money which led to the insane greed and envy.
I don't think Robson or Safechuck would have considered this if his estate was still 500 million in debt.
 
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don't think Robson or Safechuck would have considered this if his estate was still 500 million in debt.
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Imo you give them to much credit. If the estate was only worth 2 mill that would be enough for those two. Aslong as records are selling and music publishing excists the estate will make money. Mj been who he was the biggest star in the world would be a target regardless of what debts there are/ were. Its all in the name
 
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If Michael Estate was still in debt you are right Wade and James would not be suing because the Estate is making money now their want to suing the best way to do that is to makeup a lie to get money.
 
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I believe that there is a lot of evidence supporting Michael Jackson's innocence.
But - and I am not saying he is - if Michael was guilty of abusing children, I still feel like Safechuck and Robson are acting inappropriately. Imagine all of the turmoil and pain his children have already suffered through since 2009. They do not deserve to hear slander about their father on television and in the paper.
Michael is gone. He is not here to defend himself. Let him rest in peace. Suing and making these public allegations is punishing no one but the Jackson family and it could potentially take away money from his children's inheritance.
Maybe I am naive but I just think these allegations and demands for money are disgusting. I just needed to post this. :(
 
The facts in this thread thanks to Ivy and Respect77 show that Michael could not have did this everything so far that Wade and James have trying to do has not work their claims do not match the law i do not care what Wade lawyers are trying to claim the proof is not there this case should have not gotting this far in the first place it should have been throw out along time ago the statute of Limitations has ran out because Wade was claiming he did not know that this was abuse so now he is saying he was abuse by Michael for 7 yr. this is the same person who defend Michael in 2005 by saying nothing happen got on the stand and said that.

The judge who was on this case first imo gave Wade to many chance to amend his cases and he still can't prove that the companies had a reason to know that this was going on that why i pray that this new judge will look at this case and see there no proof this every happen and dismiss this case.

impossiblexprincess said:
I believe that there is a lot of evidence supporting Michael Jackson's innocence.
But - and I am not saying he is - if Michael was guilty of abusing children, I still feel like Safechuck and Robson are acting inappropriately. Imagine all of the turmoil and pain his children have already suffered through since 2009. They do not deserve to hear slander about their father on television and in the paper.
Michael is gone. He is not here to defend himself. Let him rest in peace. Suing and making these public allegations is punishing no one but the Jackson family and it could potentially take away money from his children's inheritance.
Maybe I am naive but I just think these allegations and demands for money are disgusting. I just needed to post this. :(
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You are right there is evidence in this thread that show Michael is innocence. Because Wade is claiming this happen to him at a young age that why this court is taking it as the truth the judge job is not to decide if Wade is telling the truth or not it the law in LA. Michael is gone he not here to defend himself and if Michael was here you would not see this at all.
 
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impossiblexprincess said:
I believe that there is a lot of evidence supporting Michael Jackson's innocence.
But - and I am not saying he is - if Michael was guilty of abusing children, I still feel like Safechuck and Robson are acting inappropriately. Imagine all of the turmoil and pain his children have already suffered through since 2009. They do not deserve to hear slander about their father on television and in the paper.
Michael is gone. He is not here to defend himself. Let him rest in peace. Suing and making these public allegations is punishing no one but the Jackson family and it could potentially take away money from his children's inheritance.
Maybe I am naive but I just think these allegations and demands for money are disgusting. I just needed to post this. :(
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Well, I very respectfully beg to differ on that. Obviously, nothing happened here or with Chandler or Arvizo-but, if somebody sexually assaulted me when I was a child or ESPECIALLY sexually assaulted my child, then I wold be out seeking justice, whether they were married, had a family, children or not.
Now, I wouldn't wait years, though, (unless I had a repressed memory) and I wouldn't be waiting until they had some money either-I'd be at the police and court house immediately.

It's nothing but a filthy money grab that has gone on way too long, and you are right that it is disgusting.

(Actually, in thinking about it, if I couldn't get justice through legal means, I'd probably try to kill the person).
 
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barbee0715 said:
Well, I very respectfully beg to differ on that. Obviously, nothing happened here or with Chandler or Arvizo-but, if somebody sexually assaulted me when I was a child or ESPECIALLY sexually assaulted my child, then I wold be out seeking justice, whether they were married, had a family, children or not.
Now, I wouldn't wait years, though, (unless I had a repressed memory) and I wouldn't be waiting until they had some money either-I'd be at the police and court house immediately.
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I am sure you also would not invite that person to BBQs and voluntarily praise him to everyone who would listen or expect him to give you a career in the film or music industry - and then turn on him when he dies and is unable to defend himself, and when you have a mid-life crisis when you don't feel like working any more.
 
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And certainly you wouldn't defend him in a very public trial, that just so happens to be about child molestation, while being asked very specific questions over and over again. Then turn around years later and say "Gee I didn't realize it was really abuse".
 
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respect77 said:
I am sure you also would not invite that person to BBQs and voluntarily praise him to everyone who would listen or expect him to give you a career in the film or music industry - and then turn on him when he dies and is unable to defend himself, and when you have a mid-life crisis when you don't feel like working any more.
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SarahJ said:
And certainly you wouldn't defend him in a very public trial, that just so happens to be about child molestation, while being asked very specific questions over and over again. Then turn around years later and say "Gee I didn't realize it was really abuse".
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The answer obviously is HELL NO!
 
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barbee0715 said:
Well, I very respectfully beg to differ on that. Obviously, nothing happened here or with Chandler or Arvizo-but, if somebody sexually assaulted me when I was a child or ESPECIALLY sexually assaulted my child, then I wold be out seeking justice, whether they were married, had a family, children or not.
Now, I wouldn't wait years, though, (unless I had a repressed memory) and I wouldn't be waiting until they had some money either-I'd be at the police and court house immediately.

It's nothing but a filthy money grab that has gone on way too long, and you are right that it is disgusting.

(Actually, in thinking about it, if I couldn't get justice through legal means, I'd probably try to kill the person).
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Oh gosh.
Let me explain.
If Michael Jackson was alive then it would be a completely different situation. But he is not. Suing the estate is not going to bring them justice and I have a difficult time believing the estate is responsible for Jackson's personal actions.
 
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If it was about "justice", but its not. It's about money and a personal gripe Robson has against the estate. The allegations against Michael are just a very convenient way to go about it and as far as Michael's children or family go. Robson could care less about them.
 
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impossiblexprincess said:
Oh gosh.
Let me explain.
If Michael Jackson was alive then it would be a completely different situation. But he is not. Suing the estate is not going to bring them justice and I have a difficult time believing the estate is responsible for Jackson's personal actions.
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OK, got you-and no, the estate is not responsible for personal actions.

But if I were a real victim, and had been assaulted and just remembered it from a repressed memory-I'd probably go after the Estate. The Estate represents the actual person according to law. I'd want revenge and justice. I wouldn't be putting the guy's family first.

But it's all a moot point, anyway, because these two fools are making it all up because they want lots and lots and lots of money and where else are they going to get it-they've got motive and opportunity.
And they were just too stupid to use the repressed memory defense, (or were advised against it), so they have no hope in hell.

At least they better have no hope-I'm counting on this judge to do the right thing.
 
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SarahJ said:
If it was about "justice", but its not. It's about money and a personal gripe Robson has against the estate. The allegations against Michael are just a very convenient way to go about it and as far as Michael's children or family go. Robson could care less about them.
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If Robson couldn't care less about Michael's family, well I couldn't care less if he loses (which we know he will) he'll go complete poor and anything else bad happens to him next, well TOUGH! That's the price he pays for being a traitor backstabbing Michael after his death.
 
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Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.
 
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barbee0715 said:
And they were just too stupid to use the repressed memory defense, (or were advised against it), so they have no hope in hell.
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While to claim repressed memory would have been better from certain aspects but then it has its own set of problems. Especially in these cases where these guys all their lives have been reminded of these allegations by the media, authorities etc. And repressed memory claims are viewed with more and more suspicion these days.

That they did not or could not claim repressed memory might also have to do with how they came out with their allegations. Repressed memories are usually brought forward by a therapist, for example in the course of a hypnosis. After all, they are repressed, the alleged victim does not spontenously remember them, he needs something to bring those memories suddenly forward. In that case they would need a therapist to back up that it were repressed memories. Which they probably cannot and I think that's why they went for the lame story of "I knew all along I just did not realize it was abuse" crap.
 
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I know id certainly be going around giving interviews where i said i couldnt bare to delete mjs voice mails from my phone as i wanted to hear his voice and make comments about mj restoring my faith in humanity. Stupid thing to say but maybe you actually wished for someone slightly credible because then you wouldnt be so angry and peed off at the literal joke of it all. Its been like that with every accuser.
 
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^^I started laughing at your comment about deleting voice mails even before I got to your line about it being a literal joke.
And you're right. It is a literal joke.
It's why I get so frustrated about it dragging on and on and my hatred for these guys just grows and grows.
 
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Have you not ****ed off yet Robson ?
**** off you ****
 
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Why does this thread keep getting bumped all the time? How about we give it some rest when there are no news? :bowling:

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