[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ivy, isn't that unusual that they asks costs and fees at this stage?

no not really. basically they denied any and all allegations robson did, said he wasn't entitled to anything and asked the court to order wade to pay estate's legal costs and attorney fees for a frivolous lawsuit.

Thanks ivy. good to be back. if this gets past summary judgement other than a settlement is the only option a trial? no other chances to throw it out.

pretty much yes. there's always the option to appeal the court's any and all rulings.

whens the hearing date fot this

no date yet. there is a status hearing on february. I imagine they set a schedule then. discovery should take a few months at least. then it will be time for summaru judgment motion
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I am thrilled that the Estate was as outraged as all of us with this absurdity. First thought I had when this started. "Oh yeah? See you in court."

And I'll never ever understand why Wade didn't at least claim repressed memory. With that he might have had a chance. He and/or his attorneys are idiots and I'm glad.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And I'll never ever understand why Wade didn't at least claim repressed memory. With that he might have had a chance. He and/or his attorneys are idiots and I'm glad.

I wonder if in the hindsight he regrets not claiming that.

But let's not forget before he went to his lawyers he already told a story to people, including a therapist. I guess he just couldn't backtrack on that once he realized that legally repressed memory would have been better. Besides, when you claim repressed memory, that kind of suggests the involvement of a therapist in bringing such memories forward. Some sort of hypnosis or something like that. But if that wasn't the situation but Robson simply went to a therapist one day and said: "here is something I'd like to talk about" then the therapist will not support repressed memory claims if he is called to testify. So I think that is why he did not and could not claim that.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^most likely and I remember the speculation in the 2 or 3 days between the news breaking and the Today show.
People saying that repressed memories were bogus science, etcetera.
So he probably thought this was a better/stronger claim to make. Lol.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ Well, it is true that claiming repressed memory would be problematic as well - for other reasons. Maybe legally would have been better, at least during this first stage, but then in trial it could have been challened by experts. Robson also seems to have prepared himself from self-help and psychology handbooks, so I guess he might have figured it out himself when he cooked up his plan that repressed memories are considered controversial now.
 
Tygger;4109652 said:
Thank you for the reminder. I wish more remembered Michael was vindicated in 2005. With that in mind, it means the primary purpose of Robson/Safechuck's false claims are nothing more than a successful draining of funds from the beneficiaries. I do not foresee reimbursement.

Tygger;4109743 said:
I understand however; that is not the reason some fans continue to believe Michael would somehow be vindicated through these particular legalities. Unfortunately, some have to be reminded Michael was already vindicated.

What is happening here is a financial attack on the estate, nothing more. Monies that should be for the beneficiaries are being utilized to drag these claims through the legal process with full knowledge Robson/Safechuck will NOT see a civil trial. That is rarely discussed in some online fan communities for particular reasons.

ivy;4111590 said:
“Robson recanted his testimony in a criminal trial for the sole and express purpose of taking money from Michael Jackson’s heirs and beneficiaries. After all, Robson’s complaint does not and cannot seek anything other than money”.

“Robson waited almost four years after Michael Jackson had died before he made his scurrilous and frivolous allegations. The nature of these false allegations necessarily makes it impossible for the Corporate Defendants to fully defend themselves without the assistance of Michael Jackson himself. The impossibility of fully and completely defending against Robson’s false allegations is further magnified by the fact that Robson himself steadfastly denied these allegations during the entirety of Michael Jackson’s life. Indeed, Robson and his family denied the allegations under oath on multiple occasions, including in a 2005 criminal trial where Michael Jackson was frivolously accused of misconduct and then exonerated by a unanimous jury of twelve. Accordingly, the Corporate Defendants could not possibily have been on notice, prior to Michael Jackson’s death, that Robson would bring claims like those here and that they should have been prepared to defend against such claims. ”

“This is a disguised action for money damages against the Estate of Michael Jackson, deceased (the Corporate defendants are a substantial part of the Estate of Michael Jackson, deceased)”.

Estate asks for a judgment rendered in favor of MJ Estate/ Corporate defendants and legal costs and attorney feed due to frivolous nature of the case.

Good to see the Estate lawyers echoing Michael's vindication in 2005 and that this is nothing more than a financial attack on the Estate and a successful draining of funds from the beneficiaries. I am so glad to see the request for legal costs and attorney fees.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That was a good response by the estate. They've said what we've been saying for over 2 years which is Wade is a liar and how can he blame the estate and the corporations for not protecting him when his Mother didn't allegedly?? why didn't he ever mention Joy in his complaint? I hope the judge uses common sense and dismiss this crap..

I could have sworn, I saw one of Wade's complaints or document saying that Joy didn't know. It was just one sentence but that was all.
I think they didn't want to bring it up too much, because Wade cannot get around it.

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"The nature of these false allegations necessarily makes it impossible for the Corporate Defendants to fully defend themselves without the assistance of Michael Jackson himself."

I cannot see how could judge allow this to go on trial.
They are going to argue there whether MJ was molester, but Michael cannot defend himself, but corporate defendants has to defend themselves and Michael.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I could have sworn, I saw one of Wade's complaints or document saying that Joy didn't know. It was just one sentence but that was all.
I think they didn't want to bring it up too much, because Wade cannot get around it.

This is from the Estate's demurrer:

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Also Robson says in his complaint that the first person he ever told his abuse was his therapist in 2012. So that means Joy didn't know, unless they will claim that Joy knew through other channels, such as witnessing it herself, for example. But if they change their story to Joy knowing then that means that Joy would be a mother who

1) knew about the abuse of her son, but instead of doing anything about it she enabled it and even covered for the alleged abuser,
2) she lied under oath in 2005.

So then that would raise the question: why then Wade isn't mad at his mother, why isn't she his main target, instead of MJ's companies? And what would Joy's excuse be for knowingly enabling the abuse of her son and then lying about it on the stand?

On top of that, this would not help them legally one bit - on the contrary. Joy knowing and doing nothing would make her the responsible party, not MJ's companies. To make Joy responsible is not Wade's goal here. He wants to make the companies responsible to be able to get money from them.

And yes, it is really telling how they try to distance Joy from all this. Sorry, but if it really happened then Joy should be a major player in Wade's story but she isn't. All through his complaints Joy is only casually mentioned once in a while, not as an active participant in anything, while in reality she was very much the one pursuing MJ to get them the green cards to move to the US etc.

I think the Estate is right: this case makes a mockery out of the justice system. The jury would be asked to decide whether this guy (and maybe his family also - if they too change their stories now) was lying under oath in a criminal trial in 2005 or is lying under oath now and be rewarded if they decide that it is now that he is telling the truth but lied in 2005. Ridiculous.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks ivy

no not really. basically they denied any and all allegations robson did, said he wasn't entitled to anything and asked the court to order wade to pay estate's legal costs and attorney fees for a frivolous lawsuit.



pretty much yes. there's always the option to appeal the court's any and all rulings.



no date yet. there is a status hearing on february. I imagine they set a schedule then. discovery should take a few months at least. then it will be time for summaru judgment motion
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think the Estate is right: this case makes a mockery out of the justice system. The jury would be asked to decide whether this guy (and maybe his family also - if they too change their stories now) was lying under oath in a criminal trial in 2005 or is lying under oath now and be rewarded if they decide that it is now that he is telling the truth but lied in 2005. Ridiculous.

It is mockery. Can you imagine that if defendants lose the case, and they have to pay money for not protecting Wade from Michael. It would mean that Michael had been declared molestor despite not being able to defend himself or saying a word in the court room. That is not right.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I can't access the Estate document on Scrib? Is anyone else having trouble?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I can't access the Estate document on Scrib? Is anyone else having trouble?

I can't access it now either. It writes:

[h=1]Oops! Something went wrong.[/h] We're working on a fix. Please visit our homepage for some recommended reading to take your mind off of it

Maybe a temporary error with the site.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, I have problems too
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So this stuff that's coming from the estate now... can someone explain to me in laymens terms what exactly is going on? Are they basically objecting to Wade's claim against the companies in the hope that the judge will throw it out before it goes to trial?? Sorry if this sounds dumb, I'm just wondering why the estate are saying stuff now?

I understand that it is all part of a step-wise process. First phase (demurrer) challenges whether there is any case in law, second phase determines if there is a reason for going to trial (or if the evidence can be decided on by summary judgement without a trial). So we are at the start of the second phase now. (I hope I've got that right)
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http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/what-is-the-difference-between-a-motion-for-summar-453756.html
A demurrer is a responsive pleading. A demurrer attacks the complaint at the beginning stages of litigation without consideration of evidence. A demurrer which contends that a complaint fails to state a cause of action states that the complaint, even if everything therein is true, falis to state a cause of action. For example, a demurrer may contend that the complaint fails to state a cause of action for fraud. In order to show fraud, you must show intentional conduct, among other things. If the complaint only states that the defendant was negligent, you can't possibly show fraud since negligence is insufficient to meet the requirement for fraud. You don't even need to consider the evidence.

A motion for summary judgment (MSJ), on the other hand, is an evidentiary motion. You prevail on a MSJ only if the undisputed material facts show, when considered in the light most favorable to the opposing party, that you are entitled to a judgment as a matter of law. MSJ is more analogous to a mini-trial than a demurrer. The court considers the evidence that has been submitted. After reviewing the evidence, it grants the MSJ if it determines that the moving party is entitled to a judgment as a matter of law -- i.e.there is no need to go to trial because the evidence is such that even if the responding party is allowed to develop more evidence by continuing with the litigation, it can't overcome the moving party.
 
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ivy;4111590 said:
It's probably due to the server move. I just got access back to MJJC for example

Here it is : http://www.dailymichael.com/lawsuit...-preliminary-mj-estate-defense-at-robson-case

MJ Estate preliminary defense at Robson case

In Robson civil and probate cases, Estate’s first step was to try to get them dismissed during demurrer phase. They succeeded in probate case however their request was overruled for the civil case. Civil case has proceeded to the summary judgment phase. It is now the time for the defendant – in other words MJ Estate – to respond with an initial answer denying the allegations in the complaint and listing possible legal affirmative defenses. This is a short preliminary document.

Document here: https://www.scribd.com/doc/285207028/MJ-Estate-answer-to-Robson-Civil-Complaint

Not surprisingly Estate starts their answer to the complaint by focusing on Robson’s 2005 testimony.

“This case has no merit in fact or law. Wade Robson’s allegations are directly contrary to his sworn testimony in a 2005 criminal trial where Michael Jackson was vindicated of all wrongdoing by a unanimous jury of twelve. Robson was twenty-three-years-old when he testified in 2005. He was subjected to vigorous and repeated cross-examination by a very zealous prosecutor handling the case, but Robson’s testimony never wavered”.

Estate continues with

“In his complaint for money damages, Robson does not claim that he made a mistake when he testified in 2005 or that he suffered from a “repressed memory”. Rather, Robson simply claims that he chose to lie to a criminal jury in 2005. Yet, a decade later, and almost four years after Michael Jackson’s tragic death, Robson changed his story knowing that Michael Jackson is no longer here to defend himself. Robson recanted his testimony in a criminal trial for the sole and express purpose of taking money from Michael Jackson’s heirs and beneficiaries. After all, Robson’s complaint does not and cannot seek anything other than money”.


Estate continues to focus on the significance of Robson’s 2005 testimony in very harsh words

“There is no just or equitable way for a Court in this state to allow Robson to recover here – either he is perjuring himself today in an effort to obtain money, or he perjured himself and obstructed justice in a criminal proceeding a decade ago. There is no middle ground between those two positions – a recovery here would make a mockery of California’s system of justice”.

Final blow comes with

“All of the above being said, the corporate Defendants are one hundred percent confident that Robson did tell the truth in 2005, when his sole motivation was to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.”

Estate denies each of Robson’s allegations.Estate then lists 14 affirmative defenses. I will only mention a few of them here. For full list of them please refer to the document.

On their “No causation” affirmative defense, Estate turns their focus on to Wade Robson’s mother Joy Robson. Estate states

“When Michael Jackson was frivolously accused of wrongdoing in 1993 and investigates by authorities regarding such wrongdoing, both Robson and Robson’s family, including his mother Joy Robson, publicly and prominently defended Michael Jackson and rejected the allegations of wrongdoing out of hand, including false allegations that Michael Jackson had engaged in wrongdoing with Wade Robson himself. Given that Joy Robson necessarily knew more than the Corporate Defendants about the relationship between Wade Robson and Michael Jackson, and given that Joy Robson did not take any steps to “protect” Robson (because no such steps were necessary), Wade Robson cannot possibly prove his absurd allegations that the Corporate Defendants supposed failure to take “reasonable steps” to prevent the alleged abuse is what caused him damage.”

In “unclean hands, bad faith, inequitable conduct” affirmative defense, Estate once again focuses Robson’s 2005 testimony and how Robson now claims his 2005 testimony wasn’t true. Estate states

“As a result of Robson’s own affirmative claims that he perjured himself and obstructed justice in prior judicial proceedings, and other inequitable conduct by him and his associates, all claims in the third amended complaint are barred in whole or in part by unclean hands, bad faith and inequitable conduct.”

In “violation of due process and other constitutional principles of fundamental fairness” affirmative defense, Estate points out how unfair this case is to Michael Jackson. Estate states

“Robson waited almost four years after Michael Jackson had died before he made his scurrilous and frivolous allegations. The nature of these false allegations necessarily makes it impossible for the Corporate Defendants to fully defend themselves without the assistance of Michael Jackson himself. The impossibility of fully and completely defending against Robson’s false allegations is further magnified by the fact that Robson himself steadfastly denied these allegations during the entirety of Michael Jackson’s life. Indeed, Robson and his family denied the allegations under oath on multiple occasions, including in a 2005 criminal trial where Michael Jackson was frivolously accused of misconduct and then exonerated by a unanimous jury of twelve. Accordingly, the Corporate Defendants could not possibily have been on notice, prior to Michael Jackson’s death, that Robson would bring claims like those here and that they should have been prepared to defend against such claims. ”

Finally Estate reminds the court of the creditor claim and how it was dismissed. Estate points out what all of us are thinking

“This is a disguised action for money damages against the Estate of Michael Jackson, deceased (the Corporate defendants are a substantial part of the Estate of Michael Jackson, deceased)”.

Estate asks for a judgment rendered in favor of MJ Estate/ Corporate defendants and legal costs and attorney feed due to frivolous nature of the case. Estate is also asking for a trial by jury (if this case survives summary judgment of course).

Although this is a very brief document and this is Estate’s preliminary answer to the complaint, it looks like the biggest weapon in Estate’s arsenal is Robson’s 2005 testimony followed by Robson family’s defense of Michael in the past. Robson will face credibility issues given his two opposite statements – 2005 testimony and his current claims. In order for a jury to rule in his favor now, they’ll need to believe that Robson lied in 2005 during a criminal proceeding and be okay with that. Wade’s mother Joy will also be an important topic. If she states she knew the alleged abuse and did nothing, she will also admit to perjury and not “protecting” Wade. It would be absurd to expect corporate entities to “protect” Robson when his mother failed to do so. If Joy claims she didn’t know about any alleged abuse, it would bring the question how could corporate entities known about the alleged abuse when Robson’s own mother didn’t. It’s an uphill battle for Robson.

Flawless. The odds of Wade succeeding in his transparently ludicrous goal to "extort" money is doomed. I would bet it all he's toast.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Definitely doomed
nothing but a cheap wankskank
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I understand its not over until its over and this whole thing could still be tossed, but dammit! This whole thing is so sickening. People who knew him, worked with him, claim to revere him as their muse etc...need to stop burying their head in the sand and start defending this man's character publicly. Because I personally don't feel enough do.
I'm rambling...It's just so maddening.


I agree 100% and above you are so true ppls need to stop how long will their listen to these lies it is time to defend Michael Jackson the man is being drag through the mud so unfair Michael is not here to defend himself and these ppls are judge him like Michael said if you don't know me don't judge me.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is great news from the Estate we knew it was going to go this way first thing right of the bat his sworn testimony in a 2005 he claim Michael Jackson never touch him

Now you say in 2013 that you was sexual abuse by Michael Jackson for 7 years. lies lies lies will catch up with you Wade.

Imo just that alone will let you know it all about the money. If Michael Jackson was here today you would not see this.

Guys do you get the feeling that just maybe the last words will be by Michael Jackson through his Estate?
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ To add about the comment if Michael were here... Now that Michael is not, ASIDE from the fact Michael is not here to defend himself I really believe people brainwash themselves to separating the Estate (Business) and Michael (Person) to not feel guilty to sue the Estate for something like this..

WELL the Estate is what Michael left behind for his family, and IF that's how they cope with the EVIL they try to pull, they are STILL hurting that man through how it effects his legacy, his image and his family...

And to think, I liked and respected Wade at one point!! I should have known how snake like he could be when he back-stabbed his 'friend' and slept with his woman.. As his former 'friend' sang.. "What goes around comes back around".....
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes wade some of us know all about how much you are a master of losing, lieing, and cheating!!... a master of deceit and deception
And now the whole world knows and you have only got yourself to blame.
 
^ To add about the comment if Michael were here... Now that Michael is not, ASIDE from the fact Michael is not here to defend himself I really believe people brainwash themselves to separating the Estate (Business) and Michael (Person) to not feel guilty to sue the Estate for something like this..

WELL the Estate is what Michael left behind for his family, and IF that's how they cope with the EVIL they try to pull, they are STILL hurting that man through how it effects his legacy, his image and his family...

And to think, I liked and respected Wade at one point!! I should have known how snake like he could be when he back-stabbed his 'friend' and slept with his woman.. As his former 'friend' sang.. "What goes around comes back around".....

I agree. I also use to respect Wade and I know if MJ was alive, Wade would not be doing this. That is what makes what he is doing even worst (it is already bad with those other liars but if you look at the Garvins, Chandlers, you know they were conartists). Wade is trying to get money by lying on someone who took him as a friend and because MJ is gone physically, people like Wade think they are not harming the person.

I agree 100% and above you are so true ppls need to stop how long will their listen to these lies it is time to defend Michael Jackson the man is being drag through the mud so unfair Michael is not here to defend himself and these ppls are judge him like Michael said if you don't know me don't judge me.
True but sometimes it is best to keep quiet. No one is really following up Wade (people barley followed him when he came out with this nonsense other than MJ haters which we know that is going to happen even if good things are said about MJ). No need in giving Wade national attention over his lies.

^ Well, it is true that claiming repressed memory would be problematic as well - for other reasons. Maybe legally would have been better, at least during this first stage, but then in trial it could have been challened by experts. Robson also seems to have prepared himself from self-help and psychology handbooks, so I guess he might have figured it out himself when he cooked up his plan that repressed memories are considered controversial now.
Repressed memory theory is silly as well. How can a person repress something when he is hearing the claims over and over and asked about it from the time he constantly defended MJ for YEARS from his teens, in court, and even years after his death (even worked on a book with Jermaine Jackson in talking highly about MJ). No one with good common sense will by that theory.

Harsh but very true words. So nice to be able to read something in defence of these allegations. I just can't imagine a judge allowing this to go to trial but if it does I can't see a jury getting past Robsons selective 'truth'.

I do not believe the Judge himself believe this mess but he has to follow the law and listen.

This is great news from the Estate we knew it was going to go this way first thing right of the bat his sworn testimony in a 2005 he claim Michael Jackson never touch him

Now you say in 2013 that you was sexual abuse by Michael Jackson for 7 years. lies lies lies will catch up with you Wade.

Imo just that alone will let you know it all about the money. If Michael Jackson was here today you would not see this.

Guys do you get the feeling that just maybe the last words will be by Michael Jackson through his Estate?

If MJ was alive, Wade and James would not be doing this mess.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If the ppls can not see this is all about money then their have a problem. Wade had nothing but good things to say about Michael after he pass away and now you change your mind Wade you should have got out now it is the Estate turn and your own words in 2005 will be turn against you how will you explain this you told the judge that Michael Jackson never abuse you in anyway. I am glad the Estate will show Wade for who he is a big fat liar the true will come out. If it mean going back to 2005 then be it.Wade your words are coming back to haunt you..
 
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If MJ was alive, Wade and James would not be doing this mess.

Agree.

You are right Terrell Repressed memory theory is silly and now it the Estate turn and what Wade said in 2005 is now going to be use against him that why you have to be careful in what you say because it will come back and haunt you.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Estate amended their response by adding another affirmative defense

Federal preemption

"This action preempted, in whole or in part, by federal law including by way of example only, because plaintiff is attempting to use state common law doctrines to impose duties upon the corporate defendants which conflict with and go well beyond those duties imposed on the corporate defendants by the federal governments comprehensive immigration and naturalization laws and regulations, a subject matter within sole and exclusive jurisdiction of federal government".
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Estate amended their response by adding another affirmative defense

Federal preemption

"This action preempted, in whole or in part, by federal law including by way of example only, because plaintiff is attempting to use state common law doctrines to impose duties upon the corporate defendants which conflict with and go well beyond those duties imposed on the corporate defendants by the federal governments comprehensive immigration and naturalization laws and regulations, a subject matter within sole and exclusive jurisdiction of federal government".

Good, although I'm not digesting it, hebrew to me:)
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I guess it has to do with the immigration of the Robsons back in 1991.
 
Thanks Ivy. Plain and simply Wade is trying to blame the companies for what happen to him and it will be hard for Wade and his lawyers to find somebody in the companies who can say that this was going on and did nothing about it it will be a conflict nothing happen to Wade so why are you putting the blame on the companies.

I guess it has to do with the immigration of the Robsons back in 1991.

It could be that too. Respect was everything done legal back in 1991?
 
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Let me get this right the companies went beyond and above duty to get the green card for Wade and his mother and now Wade want to sue the companies for what happen to him so is this a conflict?
 
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Good, although I'm not digesting it, hebrew to me:)

I guess it has to do with the immigration of the Robsons back in 1991.

I think they are trying to say even though they helped Robson's immigration to US, (according to immigration laws) they don't have the duty of care Robson claims.
 
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