[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks Ivy and Respect, this thread has so many pages it's hard to keep up sometimes :blush: Does anyone know the answer to my other question, whether Wade can use Safechuck's claims in his own case as "evidence" even if Safechuck's claims are thrown out before any fact-finding stage?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks Ivy and Respect, this thread has so many pages it's hard to keep up sometimes :blush: Does anyone know the answer to my other question, whether Wade can use Safechuck's claims in his own case as "evidence" even if Safechuck's claims are thrown out before any fact-finding stage?

I assume that could be Plan B for Safechuck if his case gets thrown out and Robson's goes ahead. That he would testify in support of Robson. I am sure he would get a share of Robson's money as a "thanks" if Robson would win. Under the table, not officially, of course. Officially he would be doing it for "the truth".
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I assume that could be Plan B for Safechuck if his case gets thrown out and Robson's goes ahead. That he would testify in support of Robson. I am sure he would get a share of Robson's money as a "thanks" if Robson would win. Under the table, not officially, of course. Officially he would be doing it for "the truth".

Is it far-fetched for me to think that was their plan all along and Safechuck's case is just for show?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is it far-fetched for me to think that was their plan all along and Safechuck's case is just for show?

I don't think that is the plan all along. I am talking about an "if": If Safechuck gets thrown out AND Robson goes forward. Then yes, I can see him being used as a supporting witness for Robson.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't think that is the plan all along. I am talking about an "if": If Safechuck gets thrown out AND Robson goes forward. Then yes, I can see him being used as a supporting witness for Robson.

It would explain why Safechuck and his legal team (which is also Wade's legal team) made no effort whatsoever to stay within the statute of limitations. They filed too late knowing the SOL had passed, Safechucks claim about not wanting to testify in Michael's defense in 2005 and telling his mother that Michael was a bad man, Safechuck saying he knew about Branca's administration of the Estate, etc. I don't see why he or his legal team would want to take on this case unless they had some higher purpose in mind but perhaps I am giving them too much credit.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Jordan Chandler had the opportunity to appear before the Grand Jury, but refused too. His family had already received their money from Michael. What a bunch of coward's.

Safechuck making his claim of why he didn't want to testify about why Michael was a bad man, shows what a coward he truly is. Safechuck and Robson are both banking on Michael's legacy being destroyed by them and that they will laugh all the way to the bank. They are in reality channeling new water's, in the respect of Michael being deceased and trying to win by default. That the Estate will get weary of them and give in and pay these ba$tards their extortion rates. Then all these public naysayers get to be found credible, starting with Martin Bashir, etc.

At a joint news conference, the District Attorneys for Los Angeles and Santa Barbara Counties said they had decided not to proceed with allegations that Mr. Jackson had sexually molested three boys because the "primary alleged victim" had decided not to testify.

The prosecutors said that the case would remain open and that charges could be filed if the boy changed his mind at any time before the statute of limitations expired in about five years.
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/09/22/us/no-charges-for-now-against-michael-jackson.html
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I am sure he would get a share of Robson's money as a "thanks" if Robson would win. Under the table, not officially, of course. Officially he would be doing it for "the truth".
Of course, just like everybody else that's supporting him and his new "story." His sister, mother, et. al. I even assume the two of them have some kind of deal going on anyway-
I don't think Safechuck just happened to see Robson on TV and said "hey-no fair-I was there first-I want money too."
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It would explain why Safechuck and his legal team (which is also Wade's legal team) made no effort whatsoever to stay within the statute of limitations. They filed too late knowing the SOL had passed, Safechucks claim about not wanting to testify in Michael's defense in 2005 and telling his mother that Michael was a bad man, Safechuck saying he knew about Branca's administration of the Estate, etc. I don't see why he or his legal team would want to take on this case unless they had some higher purpose in mind but perhaps I am giving them too much credit.

I believe they really thought the estate would panic and settle with them. They did not want this to reach a trial, they always made sure to file whenever a big project was about to be launched, on key dates. These were blackmailing tactics. The more it dragged the more filings they had to make and the more contradictory statements the accusers made. I don't believe Wade and Safechuck lawyers had a fraction of the knowledge the fans had about the old cases and that's why they made the mistakes they did. Their strategy has been focused on playing the media card and throwing big words around to scare the estate, calling MJ names to get the public attention and making the most horrible accusation.

The lawyers are definitely using Safechuck to bolster Wade's case , they probably from the very beginning knew his chances were almost non-existing. But did they tell him that? I do not know. My guess they told him the estate would panic if he joined and a big settlement was eminent. something they themselves probably believed to be true.

I believe they are wise enough not to offer Safechuck a bribe. They are lawyers after all who have a lucrative and successful business. They know both accusers are lying through their teeth, desperate for money, any kind of money. Why would they risk committing a crime when the accusers are not trustworthy at all. If Safechuck is willing to backstab someone who was his dearest friend by accusing him of the unthinkable for money, he is more than capable of suing them for misrepresentation and incompetence. There is zero guarantee at this point Wade's lawsuit would be successful. So any promises of bribe they offer to Safechuck, he might use against them if his case and that of Wade are dismissed by the judge. I am sure if Safechuck's lawsuit against the company's is thrown out, he will do his best to get something from Wade otherwise he will not help him. But how would he legally bind Wade to anything? I can't see it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Cat you hit it right on the head cowards that is what Wade and James are did not say anything when Michael was alive all was cool now that Michael is gone here come the lies only cowards would do that and if the ppls can only see it all about the money their now want some. I am glad that the Estate did not give into them because in the end the true will come out. Wade and James i hope you have a good hiding place you will need it you will be know as the fools who try to sue a dead man.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I believe they really thought the estate would panic and settle with them. They did not want this to reach a trial, they always made sure to file whenever a big project was about to be launched, on key dates. These were blackmailing tactics. The more it dragged the more filings they had to make and the more contradictory statements the accusers made. I don't believe Wade and Safechuck lawyers had a fraction of the knowledge the fans had about the old cases and that's why they made the mistakes they did. Their strategy has been focused on playing the media card and throwing big words around to scare the estate, calling MJ names to get the public attention and making the most horrible accusation.

The lawyers are definitely using Safechuck to bolster Wade's case , they probably from the very beginning knew his chances were almost non-existing. But did they tell him that? I do not know. My guess they told him the estate would panic if he joined and a big settlement was eminent. something they themselves probably believed to be true.

I believe they are wise enough not to offer Safechuck a bribe. .
No, I agree with you that the attorneys didn't offer him a bribe-especially not a money bribe. But I do think they welcomed him into the fold or went after him in order to add leverage to the case, and I do think they used the words "settlement" a lot. That's been the whole intent, I'm certain of it.
It's similar to the stuff that Gloria Alred pulls when she tries to get a lot of victims and more and more salacious stories-to sway the public-even when there's not a case.

Highly paid ambulance chasers.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I do not see how James will help Wade case James case is weak anywhere as it was mention he never work for Michael like Wade did imo i do not see Wade case going any further he has to prove a reason to know if i was part of the Estate i would pull out all the stops Wade 2005 him saying Michael never did anything to him Wade defend Michael 2 years after he pass away if you was abuse why praise the man who abuse you.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Story is crumbling you'd best give it up
No one's listening
You made yourself look like a tosser glad your not my friend
You big ****** you go suck yourself
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Any case after someone passes without evidence is weak... Or SHOULD be considered weak!! It's disgusting what people would do for money, and with no shame... "...Anything for money.."





The lyrics for that song speak truth
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Story is crumbling you'd best give it up
No one's listening
You made yourself look like a tosser glad your not my friend
You big ****** you go suck yourself

Any case after someone passes without evidence is weak... Or SHOULD be considered weak!! It's disgusting what people would do for money, and with no shame... "...Anything for money.."





The lyrics for that song speak truth



I agree with you guys time to get out of the kitchen before it get to hot Wade.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Any case after someone passes without evidence is weak... Or SHOULD be considered weak!! It's disgusting what people would do for money, and with no shame... "...Anything for money.."





The lyrics for that song speak truth

I agree, my mom believes they're after $$$.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Any case after someone passes without evidence is weak... Or SHOULD be considered weak!! It's disgusting what people would do for money, and with no shame... "...Anything for money.."





The lyrics for that song speak truth


That what i say to the cases are weak no evidence.

And you right the lyrics to that song does speak the truth
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Any updates please
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wouldn't expect any updates soon.

for robson civil case the next step would be scheduling and start of discovery depositions etc. during that time the only thing we will see is motion to compel - if one party or witnesses not being cooperative. Only after discovery completed there will be the summary judgment motion.

Safechuck case should see a demurrer soon I think. but nothing on the system yet.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ivy ?@Ivy_4MJ 7h7 hours ago
Coming Tomorrow : MJ Estate is starting their defense at Robson case. I'll provide new details and initial points by MJ Estate.

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Is the server change done already so I don't have to wait Ivy's update?
 
Why there is no talk about the estate's reply?

Thanks Ivy for your blog post:clapping:

http://www.dailymichael.com


Great reply from the estate!

"Given that Joy Robson necessarily knew more than the Corporate Defendants about the relationship between Wade Robson and Michael Jackson, and given that Joy Robson did not take any steps to “protect” Robson (because no such steps were necessary), Wade Robson cannot possibly prove his absurd allegations that the Corporate Defendants supposed failure to take “reasonable steps” to prevent the alleged abuse is what caused him damage.”"

Brilliant!
 
It's probably due to the server move. I just got access back to MJJC for example

Here it is : http://www.dailymichael.com/lawsuit...-preliminary-mj-estate-defense-at-robson-case

MJ Estate preliminary defense at Robson case

In Robson civil and probate cases, Estate’s first step was to try to get them dismissed during demurrer phase. They succeeded in probate case however their request was overruled for the civil case. Civil case has proceeded to the summary judgment phase. It is now the time for the defendant – in other words MJ Estate – to respond with an initial answer denying the allegations in the complaint and listing possible legal affirmative defenses. This is a short preliminary document.

Document here: https://www.scribd.com/doc/285207028/MJ-Estate-answer-to-Robson-Civil-Complaint

Not surprisingly Estate starts their answer to the complaint by focusing on Robson’s 2005 testimony.

“This case has no merit in fact or law. Wade Robson’s allegations are directly contrary to his sworn testimony in a 2005 criminal trial where Michael Jackson was vindicated of all wrongdoing by a unanimous jury of twelve. Robson was twenty-three-years-old when he testified in 2005. He was subjected to vigorous and repeated cross-examination by a very zealous prosecutor handling the case, but Robson’s testimony never wavered”.

Estate continues with

“In his complaint for money damages, Robson does not claim that he made a mistake when he testified in 2005 or that he suffered from a “repressed memory”. Rather, Robson simply claims that he chose to lie to a criminal jury in 2005. Yet, a decade later, and almost four years after Michael Jackson’s tragic death, Robson changed his story knowing that Michael Jackson is no longer here to defend himself. Robson recanted his testimony in a criminal trial for the sole and express purpose of taking money from Michael Jackson’s heirs and beneficiaries. After all, Robson’s complaint does not and cannot seek anything other than money”.


Estate continues to focus on the significance of Robson’s 2005 testimony in very harsh words

“There is no just or equitable way for a Court in this state to allow Robson to recover here – either he is perjuring himself today in an effort to obtain money, or he perjured himself and obstructed justice in a criminal proceeding a decade ago. There is no middle ground between those two positions – a recovery here would make a mockery of California’s system of justice”.

Final blow comes with

“All of the above being said, the corporate Defendants are one hundred percent confident that Robson did tell the truth in 2005, when his sole motivation was to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.”

Estate denies each of Robson’s allegations.Estate then lists 14 affirmative defenses. I will only mention a few of them here. For full list of them please refer to the document.

On their “No causation” affirmative defense, Estate turns their focus on to Wade Robson’s mother Joy Robson. Estate states

“When Michael Jackson was frivolously accused of wrongdoing in 1993 and investigates by authorities regarding such wrongdoing, both Robson and Robson’s family, including his mother Joy Robson, publicly and prominently defended Michael Jackson and rejected the allegations of wrongdoing out of hand, including false allegations that Michael Jackson had engaged in wrongdoing with Wade Robson himself. Given that Joy Robson necessarily knew more than the Corporate Defendants about the relationship between Wade Robson and Michael Jackson, and given that Joy Robson did not take any steps to “protect” Robson (because no such steps were necessary), Wade Robson cannot possibly prove his absurd allegations that the Corporate Defendants supposed failure to take “reasonable steps” to prevent the alleged abuse is what caused him damage.”

In “unclean hands, bad faith, inequitable conduct” affirmative defense, Estate once again focuses Robson’s 2005 testimony and how Robson now claims his 2005 testimony wasn’t true. Estate states

“As a result of Robson’s own affirmative claims that he perjured himself and obstructed justice in prior judicial proceedings, and other inequitable conduct by him and his associates, all claims in the third amended complaint are barred in whole or in part by unclean hands, bad faith and inequitable conduct.”

In “violation of due process and other constitutional principles of fundamental fairness” affirmative defense, Estate points out how unfair this case is to Michael Jackson. Estate states

“Robson waited almost four years after Michael Jackson had died before he made his scurrilous and frivolous allegations. The nature of these false allegations necessarily makes it impossible for the Corporate Defendants to fully defend themselves without the assistance of Michael Jackson himself. The impossibility of fully and completely defending against Robson’s false allegations is further magnified by the fact that Robson himself steadfastly denied these allegations during the entirety of Michael Jackson’s life. Indeed, Robson and his family denied the allegations under oath on multiple occasions, including in a 2005 criminal trial where Michael Jackson was frivolously accused of misconduct and then exonerated by a unanimous jury of twelve. Accordingly, the Corporate Defendants could not possibily have been on notice, prior to Michael Jackson’s death, that Robson would bring claims like those here and that they should have been prepared to defend against such claims. ”

Finally Estate reminds the court of the creditor claim and how it was dismissed. Estate points out what all of us are thinking

“This is a disguised action for money damages against the Estate of Michael Jackson, deceased (the Corporate defendants are a substantial part of the Estate of Michael Jackson, deceased)”.

Estate asks for a judgment rendered in favor of MJ Estate/ Corporate defendants and legal costs and attorney feed due to frivolous nature of the case. Estate is also asking for a trial by jury (if this case survives summary judgment of course).

Although this is a very brief document and this is Estate’s preliminary answer to the complaint, it looks like the biggest weapon in Estate’s arsenal is Robson’s 2005 testimony followed by Robson family’s defense of Michael in the past. Robson will face credibility issues given his two opposite statements – 2005 testimony and his current claims. In order for a jury to rule in his favor now, they’ll need to believe that Robson lied in 2005 during a criminal proceeding and be okay with that. Wade’s mother Joy will also be an important topic. If she states she knew the alleged abuse and did nothing, she will also admit to perjury and not “protecting” Wade. It would be absurd to expect corporate entities to “protect” Robson when his mother failed to do so. If Joy claims she didn’t know about any alleged abuse, it would bring the question how could corporate entities known about the alleged abuse when Robson’s own mother didn’t. It’s an uphill battle for Robson.
 
Although this is a very brief document and this is Estate’s preliminary answer to the complaint, it looks like the biggest weapon in Estate’s arsenal is Robson’s 2005 testimony followed by Robson family’s defense of Michael in the past. Robson will face credibility issues given his two opposite statements – 2005 testimony and his current claims. In order for a jury to rule in his favor now, they’ll need to believe that Robson lied in 2005 during a criminal proceeding and be okay with that. Wade’s mother Joy will also be an important topic. If she states she knew the alleged abuse and did nothing, she will also admit to perjury and not “protecting” Wade. It would be absurd to expect corporate entities to “protect” Robson when his mother failed to do so. If Joy claims she didn’t know about any alleged abuse, it would bring the question how could corporate entities known about the alleged abuse when Robson’s own mother didn’t. It’s an uphill battle for Robson.

if this goes to trial, it looks as though Joy would be an essential 'witness'. I guess that the defence would call as many 'MJ Company staff' as possible to testify on their behalf...and Robson would call 'the usual suspects' on his side. This would potentially be a very long and very expensive trial....... I wonder if Wade REALLY knows what he's got himself into. I don't see how he can back down on his allegations now.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"Estate asks for a judgment rendered in favor of MJ Estate/ Corporate defendants and legal costs and attorney feed due to frivolous nature of the case. Estate is also asking for a trial by jury (if this case survives summary judgment of course)."


Yeah Weitzman, make them pay:clapping:


Ivy, isn't that unusual that they asks costs and fees at this stage?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks ivy. good to be back. if this gets past summary judgement other than a settlement is the only option a trial? no other chances to throw it out.

whens the hearing date fot this
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"Estate asks for a judgment rendered in favor of MJ Estate/ Corporate defendants and legal costs and attorney feed due to frivolous nature of the case. Estate is also asking for a trial by jury (if this case survives summary judgment of course)."


Good for them! People were on edge for awhile that the Estate was going to buckle and settle, but it looks like it backfired on Robson and he ended up really p**ssing them off ;) I hope he does pay (literally.) Jack*ss.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Harsh but very true words. So nice to be able to read something in defence of these allegations. I just can't imagine a judge allowing this to go to trial but if it does I can't see a jury getting past Robsons selective 'truth'.
 
I had to look the ninth Affirmative defence up: It seems a very useful and reasonable defence.

Laches (/ˈlætʃɨz/, LA-chəz, like "latches"; /ˈleɪtʃɨz/, LAY-chəz; Law French: "remissness", "slackness", from Old French laschesse)[1][2][3] is an "unreasonable delay pursuing a right or claim... in a way that prejudices the [opposing] party".[1] When asserted in litigation, it is an equitable defense, that is, a defense to a claim for an equitable remedy.[4] The person invoking laches is asserting that an opposing party has "slept on its rights," and that, as a result of this delay, witnesses and/or evidence may have been lost or no longer available, and circumstances have changed such that it is no longer just to grant the plaintiff's original claim. Put another way, failure to assert one’s rights in a timely manner can result in a claim being barred by laches. Laches is associated with one of the maxims of equity:

I had to look up the thirteenth affirmative defence as well. I guess 13 is Wade's unlucky number. Is this (collection of defences) what is known as 'throwing the book' at someone?? :)

The doctrines of res judicata and collateral estoppel often come into play when a subsequent case, similar to a case already adjudicated, is filed. The rationale behind the doctrines is that an issue or cause of action fully litigated should not be litigated again. Res judicata is often referred to as "claim preclusion". Collateral estoppel is often referred to as "issue preclusion".

Res judicata is raised when a party thinks that a particular claim was already, or could have been, litigated and therefore, should not be litigated again. When addressing a res judicata argument, a court will usually look at three factors. First, the court will consider whether there was previous litigation in which identical claims were raised, or in which identical claims could have been raised. The second factor to be considered is that the parties must be the same parties as those who litigated the original action. The third factor is that the original action must have received final judgment on the merits.

Collateral estoppel arises when the claim (cause of action) at the bar has not been litigated, but the exact issue that is now before the court has been raised and litigated in an earlier action or proceeding. Collateral estoppel is a bit different than res judicata, although the rationale is the same – it is a tool to prevent re-litigation of issues already litigated. See U.S. v. Wells, 347 F.3d 280, 285 (8th Cir. 2003) (“The collateral estoppel doctrine provides that ‘when an issue of ultimate fact has once been determined by a valid and final judgment, that issue cannot again be litigated between the same parties in any future lawsuit.’ ”).
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That was a good response by the estate. They've said what we've been saying for over 2 years which is Wade is a liar and how can he blame the estate and the corporations for not protecting him when his Mother didn't allegedly?? why didn't he ever mention Joy in his complaint? I hope the judge uses common sense and dismiss this crap..
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Up ya butt wade :)
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I do not want this to go to trial. MJ does not deserve this nor his kids. The judge needs to do the right thing and throw this mess of a case out the window.
 
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