[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

We are talking about two demurrers here, not a summary judgement. So even if the Judge would allow one or both that still would not mean allowing a late complaint only that it goes to the next round - to summary judgement.

I know there is still the option of summary judgment but surviving demurrer would start discovery etc.

I don't know what to expect either. He decided first Robson demurrer on the spot, took 2 weeks for Safechuck demurrer - both were leave to amend. Took 5 weeks to dismiss Robson probate claim.

so a quick decision - 10 days - could be another leave to amend. but then he took his time with Robson probate and did his work so based on that he might not need much time to dismiss these ones as well.

 

[ivy]

On another note

2 more instagram tags with Robson - he is not in the pictures but the posts allow us to get more info

https://instagram.com/p/5yH6aGCh4N/

3h
migzmigzmigzNEVER the HOTTEST • ALWAYS the RADDEST • �� @kevinstea • �� new film by @tyce82 & #WadeRobson

and

https://instagram.com/p/5yW-omodp3/

kevinsteaPlayed photographer on cam today w this one @migzmigzmigz so figured it would be appropriate to take a real pic of him too thank you @tyce82 & #waderobson for the pool fun!


Hard to say if this is the same thing or not but they mention Tyce Diorio Director choreographer from SYTYCD

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I know there is still the option of summary judgment but surviving demurrer would start discovery etc.

I don't know what to expect either. He decided first Robson demurrer on the spot, took 2 weeks for Safechuck demurrer - both were leave to amend. Took 5 weeks to dismiss Robson probate claim.

so a quick decision - 10 days - could be another leave to amend. but then he took his time with Robson probate and did his work so based on that he might not need much time to dismiss these ones as well.

Yes, I think the Safechuck thing is basically the same as Robson, so the same arguments, same rules would apply there, which may explain the quickness. Also we do not know why it took 5 weeks the first time around - it could have been simply because it was a more busy period for the Judge or something. But then he maybe dismisses the demurrers to allow it on to summary judgement, but that does not mean the late filing will be allowed, just that he gives them more chance to show they can pass statutes.

But yeah, could be a leave to amend, although I personally cannot see a reason for a leave to amend especially in the Robson civil case. They added what they felt they could add which was basically Norma Staikos only and for a while they have only been going in circles, so I do not know what a new leave to amend would be for.

 

[HIStory]

On another note

2 more instagram tags with Robson - he is not in the pictures but the posts allow us to get more info

https://instagram.com/p/5yH6aGCh4N/

3h
migzmigzmigzNEVER the HOTTEST • ALWAYS the RADDEST • �� @kevinstea • �� new film by @tyce82 & #WadeRobson

and

https://instagram.com/p/5yW-omodp3/

kevinsteaPlayed photographer on cam today w this one @migzmigzmigz so figured it would be appropriate to take a real pic of him too thank you @tyce82 & #waderobson for the pool fun!


Hard to say if this is the same thing or not but they mention Tyce Diorio Director choreographer from SYTYCD

But I see they are dancing to Janet's music: https://instagram.com/p/5x5K39IdiJ/?taken-by=kevinstea

Also to Michael's: https://instagram.com/p/yvXo6iIdo0/?taken-by=kevinstea

With Vincent Paterson: https://instagram.com/p/yd0gytIdsj/?taken-by=kevinstea

https://instagram.com/p/ycq1uhIdm1/?taken-by=kevinstea

Don't know who this Kevin is but he does not seem like a professional dancer to me: https://instagram.com/p/3zx1-aodi9/?taken-by=kevinstea

ETA: Well, apparently he was a dancer for Madonna: https://instagram.com/p/zNx4tzodpZ/?taken-by=kevinstea


Odd, because in his videos his moves look kind of amateur, but maybe that's because he is older/out of shape, I don't know.

About the other guy:

Miguel Zarate has always had a passion for dance and creating movement. He has worked alongside icons such as Rihanna, Miley Cyrus, Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Demi Lovato, Azealia Banks, Adam Lambert, Pussy Cat Dolls, Davy Havok of AFI and Chelsea Handler. Miguel has been an Associate Choreographer for America’s Got Talent and Senior Associate Choreographer for The X Factor both under dance industry leader, Brian Friedman. Miguel draws much of his inspiration from his love of avant garde fashion and seeing life as art. His fresh take on, and interpretation of movement has made him one of the most sought after new voices of choreography and artist development.

So same circle again.

I don't know on what he worked for with the above mentioned artists but when I do a quick google on him I can only see dance classes and fun choreograpgies for YouTube like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsIQSd8DLBU

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

yeah but it might depend on the ruling. If these decisions give them a chance to amend, I don't think media would report it. A dismissal or allowing late complaint are things to report. regardless we should be able to get the civil ruling from the system eventually.

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so 10 days only. what does everyone think / expect?

I would think the judge would have done the majority of the work when the Robson probate dismissal-all they need to do is rewrite the decisions. So it shouldn't take that long. I was hoping and expecting dismissal.

But I don't like the fact that nothing has been reported yet-if it's over, I'd think the press would be on it.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Looking a little further in the Instagram of Miguel this is interesting: https://instagram.com/p/4m8qXJih88/?taken-by=migzmigzmigz

• migzmigzmigzI was legit walking out my house when a florist came up the drive way with this gorgeous arrangement of flowers. I for sure knew they weren't for me. BUT I WAS WRONG!!! In fact they're from...(take a moment) JANET!!!@janetjackson Sooooo sweet of her to even take the time or the effort to send us all this special acknowledgement for all the hard work that was put into her tribute. SUCH A CLASSY WOMEN. Thank u again @ghsduldulao for this experience. #JANETJACKSON#BET#I??FLOWERS

https://instagram.com/p/4cwn9BCh_6/?taken-by=migzmigzmigz

• [h=1]migzmigzmigzMS. JACKSON IF YOU'RE NASTY! | The biggest of THANK U's to@ghsduldulao for giving me the opportunity to pay tribute to the woman who single handily inspired me to be a professional dancer. I'm soooo ****in stoked to dance tomorrow! | Shot-out to the team who got us together:@ghsduldulao @laureltcanyon@tessandrachavez @keolaokalani89@cassandracaccioppoli |#JANETJACKSON #BET[/h]

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Robson's wife is doing one of her food events at LA - August 8th.

 

[ivy]

Michael Jackson molestation accuser wins fight on shrink’s records
POSTED BY KEN STONE ON JULY 31, 2015 IN HOLLYWOOD | 0 VIEWS | LEAVE A RESPONSE

A judge ruled that lawyers representing the corporate entities created by the late Michael Jackson cannot examine a psychiatrist’s medical records for a dancer-choreographer who alleges he was molested as a child by the singer.


Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff said it was premature to allow such access to the doctor’s records, notes and communications concerning 32-year-old Wade Robson.
The physician, who is not identified in the Robson attorneys’ court papers, evaluated the effects on the dancer of the alleged abuses by the pop star.

Lawyers for MJJ Productions Inc. and MJJ Ventures Inc. said the data were needed to prepare a motion to dismiss Robson’s lawsuit, in which he alleges that an employee of MJJ Productions could have intervened and stopped the singer’s alleged abuses of Robson and others.

Beckloff heard arguments July 20 and took the case under submission. In his ruling Thursday, Beckloff said that he was denying access to Robson’s medical records for now because the psychiatrist was not Robson’s regular treating physician.

However, the judge said he would hear a similar motion from the attorneys for the companies later if Robson’s attorneys say they want to call the psychiatrist during trial as an expert witness.

Pop music icon Jackson died from an overdose death on June 25, 2009, at age 50.

— City News Service

http://mynewsla.com/hollywood/2015/...tation-accuser-wins-fight-on-shrinks-records/

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^so am I reading this correctly-if Robson's attorneys want to use the doctor during trial? So are we to assume there's going to be a trial?

And I don't really get his reasoning-yes, he's not his regular doctor, but this is the doctor who says that he is incapable of working, etc. so the whole claim is based on what this doctor has said. How else can they get it dismissed?

 

[Tygger]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If the judge allow this precedent for Robson, I will believe he has a vested interest in keeping this estate embroiled in litigation and therefore, probate. Minus these lawsuits, I cannot see too much reason for the estate to continue to be in probate.

There is no information regarding Safechuck. I would assume his probate claim was dismissed.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^so am I reading this correctly-if Robson's attorneys want to use the doctor during trial? So are we to assume there's going to be a trial?

they said they might use her as an expert witness and until the case gets dismissed judge will treat it like it is going to trial.

Minus these lawsuits, I cannot see too much reason for the estate to continue to be in probate.

the debt that needs to be paid also a reason for probate

There is no information regarding Safechuck. I would assume his probate claim was dismissed.

at this time I'm thinking judge did not decide about demurrers yet, just the doctor subpoena.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So he can still dismiss it but they just can't use the dr. Info for their request for dismissal.
I wonder how they will approach it.

Also isn't the IRS suit connected to probate?

 

[jaydom7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ivy, so by the judge saying it's too premature to ask for the psychiatrist's files, does he mean no need to ask for that yet meaning he still can dismiss it so her files are not needed now? So has the judge decided yet on if Robson's attorneys even met the threshold by proving the corporation was responsible? The estate's response was excellent because they pointed out over and over that Robson's lawyers still didn't say what the corporations could've done? Has the judge answered that yet..

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

we don't know answers to some of those questions and we will have to wait.

now what we know is that the case summary for both probate and Robson civil showed a ruling and the media reported the ruling about doctor subpoena. so I wouldn't rush to any other conclusion that the judge has ruled on doctor subpoena. that subpoena was initially started at probate court and then moved to civil case so it is possible the same ruling filed under both cases. (and in probate it is impossible to say which ruling applies to which person.)

we will eventually see the ruling when it gets added to the court documents system.

 

[jaydom7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

we don't know answers to some of those questions and we will have to wait.

now what we know is that the case summary for both probate and Robson civil showed a ruling and the media reported the ruling about doctor subpoena. so I wouldn't rush to any other conclusion that the judge has ruled on doctor subpoena. that subpoena was initially started at probate court and then moved to civil case so it is possible the same ruling filed under both cases. (and in probate it is impossible to say which ruling applies to which person.)

we will eventually see the ruling when it gets added to the court documents system.

so basically so far we just have the doctor ruling which the judge denied because he said it was too premature for the estate to see the records?

 

[HIStory]

It's a pity he did not allow the Estate access to Robson's medical files. Since he gave all kind of discovery to Robson (and that too was premature IMO) I felt it would only be fair if he now gave discovery to the Estate on Robson.

But if the case will be thrown out it is a moot point anyway, so I am more interested in what will be the decision about that.

However, the judge said he would hear a similar motion from the attorneys for the companies later if Robson’s attorneys say they want to call the psychiatrist during trial as an expert witness.

But that was exactly the Estate's point in their motions. If the case goes to trial Robson can say they changed their mind and they will not call this particular therapist as expert. And then the Estate will never be able to have access to his documents and never be able to cross-examine him.

It's a pity because the Estate might have been onto something with this, but let's hope the case will be dismissed anyway. Despite of what the article says at this stage the dismissal request by the Estate does not depend on these psychiatrist papers. There are totally different arguments for the dismissal.

 

[Tygger]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

the debt that needs to be paid also a reason for probate

I understand that however; the only debt is the Sony/ATV catalog debt which is why the selling of NL is questionable on that level (and was discussed in the appropriate thread). I am not aware of any other debts and I do not know the repayment structure of the Sony/ATV catalog debt. Let us pretend that debt will not be satisfied for 30 years. The executors will be in place for 30 years?

at this time I'm thinking judge did not decide about demurrers yet, just the doctor subpoena.

Safechuck's probate claim was to be decided on July 20th. Why would the judge delay the inevitable?

Also isn't the IRS suit connected to probate?

Most definitely!

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I understand that however; the only debt is the Sony/ATV catalog debt

which is significant. plus there is also the Estate tax & IRS

Let us pretend that debt will not be satisfied for 30 years. The executors will be in place for 30 years?

that's my understanding. if you look to probate process it requires debts and taxes to be paid and then distribution of the assets according to the will. (according to mj's will that would be putting the assets in a trust and managing the trust until kids 30-35-40). Imagine a$730 Million tax debt and a 10-15 yr payment plan. that would lengthen the probate process.

very famously Marilyn Monroe Estate spent 40 years in probate.

Safechuck's probate claim was to be decided on July 20th. Why would the judge delay the inevitable?

It wasn't to be decided on July 20th. That's the hearing date and the judge took it under submission. based on available info & what media reported it just doesn't look like he ruled yet.

 

[Tygger]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

that's my understanding. if you look to probate process it requires debts and taxes to be paid and then distribution of the assets according to the will. (according to mj's will that would be putting the assets in a trust and managing the trust until kids 30-35-40). Imagine a$730 Million tax debt and a 10-15 yr payment plan. that would lengthen the probate process.

Indeed. The executors will continue to be very wealthy men.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Indeed. The executors will continue to be very wealthy men.

does length of the probate really matter? Even the Estate was out of probate in a single year, the assets / Estate was to be managed until kids turn 30-35-40, and executors who also happen to be trustees would be paid for that as well. So even if the Estate is out of probate tomorrow, executors and their compensation isn't going anywhere. in other words, I don't see much difference in regard to executor / trustee compensation in a scenario of 1 year probate & 20 year trustee or 20 year probate & 1 year trustee.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^so am I reading this correctly-if Robson's attorneys want to use the doctor during trial? So are we to assume there's going to be a trial?

It does not mean there will be a trial definitely. The Judge simply said IF there will be a trial they can get back to the issue. If there will not be a trial then the whole thing is moot anyway. To me he just seems to say the issue is premature.

And I don't really get his reasoning-yes, he's not his regular doctor, but this is the doctor who says that he is incapable of working, etc. so the whole claim is based on what this doctor has said. How else can they get it dismissed?

We have talked in detail here about what are the Estate's arguments for dismissal. The whole argument about whether the companies knew or had a reason to know, whether anyone at the companies had control over MJ etc. Those arguments have nothing to do with the psychiatrist and do not depend on whether the Estate is allowed access to this material or not.

 

[jaydom7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So basically it's premature because hopefully the judge will dismiss this mess. The other reasons that the estate gave for dismissal are legit. In addition to Wade and his mother both saying nothing happened to him so if they said nothing happened to him, why would the corporations think any differently? I am sure the judge is aware of Wade's under oath testimony at a criminal trial where he said nothing happened to him.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wasn't Wade interviewed by the police in 1993 too?

 

[HIStory]

Wasn't Wade interviewed by the police in 1993 too?

I think he was. Plus he volunteered to go on TV to defend MJ. MJ wasn't even in the US when Wade did that but I guess he managed to "brainwash him" into it on the phone or something. LOL. Oh and he testified in front of the Grand Jury.

Media attention again turned to the Robson family when Michael Jackson was facing child molestation charges, and Wade was called to face the grand jury, administered by Judge Ito who is currently hearing the O.J. Simpson trial. “I feel like we had a baptism of fire with the Pepsi commercial and then the allegations,” said Joy. “The media just wouldn’t leave us alone. We had to put on disguises and one TV crew even tried to film us through the kitchen window.”

To this day, the Robson family maintain Michael is innocent. “Michael would hurt himself before he would hurt a child. He didn’t have a childhood himself, so it is important to him to see others having one,” said Joy. It was Wade’s decision to `go public’ on television and proclaim Michael’s innocence. “It was a tough thing to do – especially for an 11-year-old – but we couldn’t stand by and let people believe Michael had been anything but a friend to us,” said Joy, with Wade nodding his approval as he sat in on our interview.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think he was. Plus he volunteered to go on TV to defend MJ. MJ wasn't even in the US when Wade did that but I guess he managed to "brainwash him" into it on the phone or something. LOL. Oh and he testified in front of the Grand Jury.

So again the companies had no reason to "know". The law enforcement knew about Wade and he talked to them more than once. Maybe he should sue the police.

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So again the companies had no reason to "know". The law enforcement knew about Wade and he talked to them more than once. Maybe he should sue the police.

You never know. He just might.
I'm kidding, but then again with him who knows.

 

[jaydom7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade told everyone that would listen that MJ did nothing to him. His own mother continued to allow Wade around MJ after the 1993 allegations so what would the companies know that Joy wasn't aware of?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks for the updates guys. so not much of a ruling. just premature.

 

[Dianne]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade told everyone that would listen that MJ did nothing to him. His own mother continued to allow Wade around MJ after the 1993 allegations so what would the companies know that Joy wasn't aware of?

Nothing, because there was nothing to know about.

 

[serendipity]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Indeed. The executors will continue to be very wealthy men.

much to your chagrin lol