[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Hopefully the judge will allow the Estate lawyers' requests and then they will know who paid for all three doctors' services.

I understand the Estate's legal team is requesting this information for a reason. I am hopeful the public will receive this information as well but, due to the timing (provided the July 20th date does not change), there may be a larger story for Radar Online for example to report.
I can't imagine the judge allowing his request to quash since he's already used Wades own words against him to throw out the probate suit.
I know they want it to determine credibility as well as billing. I hope it all gets out in the open too.

Do you think the bigger story will be that the judge will throw out the remaining three claims??
 
Ivy, I do believe the Estate’s lawyers will be told who paid for all three doctors. I hope the public can be told however; it would be fine if only the Estate is aware of who a possible benefactor(s) may be.

ivy;4098730 said:
what do you mean? what larger story?

respect77;4098667 said:
On July 20 I think there will be three main issues on schedule:
1) Estate demurrer re. Robson's civil lawsuit against MJ's companies.
2) This request by the Estate to have discovery on Robson's therapists.
3) Estate demurrer against Safechuck in probate court.

Nothing newsworthy above?

ivy;4098730 said:
Not many people/media follow these cases. It's mostly RO, haters and me. I can get and post civil case documents, RO posted Robson and Safechuck documents and I think the haters got the probate documents that RO did not post.

Thanks for clarifying. It may have seemed confusing to some why Radar Online posted this article and this document. The posting of the document was positive in that it took the burden from you retrieving it. Radar Online would not report on any Jackson without the support of some online MJ fans. Previously they catered to a certain segment of online MJ fans by printing negative articles about the Jackson family (including Michael). This is the stance they took with Robson/Safechuck however; their articles included documents the online MJ fans following these filings needed. It is quite clear Robson/Safechuck will not succeed so, Radar Online has changed course and is supporting the Estate which will secure the support of those fans they have come to rely on. I will be surprised if Radar Online prints a supportive article on Robson/Safechuck from this point on.

Continuing with your points which seem to agree with points I have made previously: publicity has been minimal and only a certain segment of MJ fans (some online MJ fans) have followed Robson/Safechuck’s quest for four precedents. We can speculate as to why the original legal team did not entertain Robson however; being successful with four precedents is daunting enough. The original legal team must have had some conversation with Robson regarding his chances of success which is not the same as questioning his credibility. Something and/or someone(s) motivated Robson (and later Safechuck) to continue until he found a legal team who would support this quest for precedents and the current legal team to double their chances for failure (accepting Robson and Safechuck as clients). The Estate’s legal team has questioned at the very least Robson’s motivation for filing and may very well discover if there was financial motivation in the form of a possible third party (a.k.a. benefactor(s)) paying for at least some legal fees.

barbee0715;4098776 said:
Do you think the bigger story will be that the judge will throw out the remaining three claims??

I would hope so. Why delay the inevitable?

barbee0715;4098776 said:
He better be a pariah.

Honestly, he may not have to work professionally currently and/or in the future and he may very well only work currently as a hobby as Ivy previously suggested. Some have noticed the doctor who killed Michael is very silent which may mean he has been taken care of financially by another. The same can or has happened to Robson (and Safechuck). The doctor is not a pariah. Sneddon was not a pariah. Chandlers are not a pariahs. Arvisos are not pariahs. Robson (and Safechuck) most likely will not be a pariah either.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Nothing newsworthy above?

allow me to quote exactly what you wrote

I am hopeful the public will receive this information as well but, due to the timing (provided the July 20th date does not change), there may be a larger story for Radar Online for example to report.

you were hoping that the doctor information becomes public but given date there might be larger story to report.

Given that there is a dispute about the subpoena and there will be a hearing about it on July 20 plus judge might take his time to make a decision, even if we assume that the judge would allow the subpoena, Estate won't be provided the information before July 20th. To the contrary even if allowed it would take some time. Like I said even if they get the information, it wouldn't be automatically accessible by fans/media. So I fail to see how the July 20 hearing date would have any effect on any possible reporting on the doctor information.


It is quite clear Robson/Safechuck will not succeed so, Radar Online has changed course and is supporting the Estate which will secure the support of those fans they have come to rely on. I will be surprised if Radar Online prints a supportive article on Robson/Safechuck from this point on.

Maybe but IMO it is too early to tell. I think they try to seem balanced or at least reporting major news from each sides. Personally I need to see more. For example I believe Estate has filed their reply to Safechuck's opposition to demurrer. It's a probate document so we'll see if Radar posts a pro Estate piece about that.

I would hope so. Why delay the inevitable?

we all hope for that and just to repeat, if the judge dismisses the civil case, the discovery you hope for wouldn't happen. As mentioned in the latest document, Estate made the same request at probate case but as it got dismissed it got moot and never happened. Hence why they are repeating the request at civil trial.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sidenote: Just wanted to put out some positivity in that my upstairs neighbour and I just had a conversation about MJ. Turns out she used to be a huge MJ fan, but had questions about the allegations. I spoke at length for about an hour on both the Chandler and Arviso case, and am happy to report that I have convinced her of his innocence. I gave her the Redemption and Conspiracy books to read (which she was super stoked about), and she left telling me that she's not only going to read the books to provide herself with facts, but also take the information I gave her so that she can pass on her knowledge to people who bring up the allegations in the future. Score one for the MJ Truth Team :D
 
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Would health insurance not cover this? Here it would depend on your cover but not sure about the USA. I don't think this expense would be a fortune but I have to say I would like to see the arrangements with the doctor who wrote the certificate.

Same in USA as well. It would depend on the insurance whether or not it provides mental care. So the two treating doctors might or might not be paid by insurance.

as for the doctor who wrote the affidavit, my understanding is that doctor was hired by Robson's lawyers for the case. She's not a treating doctor.

Below is from Robson's motion to quash

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So I fail to see how the July 20 hearing date would have any effect on any possible reporting on the doctor information.

we all hope for that and just to repeat, if the judge dismisses the civil case, the discovery you hope for wouldn't happen.

Seems you answered your own question and the Estate hopes for such discovery as well.

I also said: "I hope the public can be told however; it would be fine if only the Estate is aware of who a possible benefactor(s) may be." I will continue and state that even if the Estate and/or the public never knows, the positive is the Estate legal team has questioned it. Therefore, they are aware there may have been financial motivation in the form of a possible third party (a.k.a. benefactor(s)) paying for at least some legal fees and they want Robson's legal team to confirm otherwise.

Maybe but IMO it is too early to tell. I think they try to seem balanced or at least reporting major news from each sides. Personally I need to see more. For example I believe Estate has filed their reply to Safechuck's opposition to demurrer. It's a probate document so we'll see if Radar posts a pro Estate piece about that.

I am not supportive of Radar Online. I do not remember any seemingly balanced reporting from them regarding Robson/Safechuck and it seems other posters were surprised by the tone of this article supporting the Estate. If you support Radar Online, tis fine. I believe, to maintain their support of those fans they have come to rely on, they will be pro-Estate in future articles regarding this matter.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If you support Radar Online, tis fine.

what? I never said such thing and I don't support RO. Actually I had a blog post detailing their biased reporting. so it's a little crazy to think I "support RO". I clearly don't. http://dailymichael.com/lawsuits/ro...ed-media-reporting-in-robson-v-mj-estate-case

And my previous post was saying, let's not rush into conclusions based on a single pro-estate post. They could have written that post to "try to seem balanced" (keywords being try and seem, I didn't say they are balanced reporters) and fool people that they aren't actually extremely biased in this regard
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Maybe but IMO it is too early to tell. I think they try to seem balanced or at least reporting major news from each sides. Personally I need to see more.

I am responded based on your words but, I see that you have clarified your position.

Radar Online can only seem balance by reporting both sides in one article. They cannot seem balanced by writing several pro-Robson articles to one pro-Estate article (and maybe future pro-Estate articles). They have chosen a side and now that side may lose them support because that side is seemingly the losing side. It is human nature to prefer to side with whomever seems to be winning.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

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Michael Jackson defense attorneys Robert Sanger (L) and Thomas Mesereau, Jr. leave the Santa Barbara Superior Courthouse January 28, 2005 in Santa Maria, California.​

The Michael Jackson Trials

Robert Sanger, partner at Sanger Swysen & Dunkle, was co-counsel in the criminal trial of the late Michael Jackson in the Spring of 2005. Stephen Dunkle, partner at Sanger Swysen & Dunkle, was responsible for the law and motion and appellate work during the case. Mr. Sanger and his firm had represented Mr. Jackson for 12 years prior to that, including during the 1993-94 grand jury investigations and in a sensational civil trial that Mr. Sanger and co-counsel Steve Cochran won on behalf of Mr. Jackson in 1996-97.


Mr. Jackson became a friend and was on his way to a new and exciting part of his career at the time of his tragic death. We will miss him.

The Honorable Rodney Melville, Judge of the Santa Barbara Superior Court (Ret.). Judge Melville did an excellent job of presiding over a very difficult case especially with regard to the unprecedented amount of international media attention given the case.

The arrival at the Courthouse in Santa Maria by Mr. Jackson, with his father and Mr. Sanger, after going to the hospital. Although he was late to court on this one occasion, Mr. Jackson arrived early every other day and sat through this ordeal of false accusations with dignity and resolve.

After four months of jury trial, Mr. Jackson was exonerated with a unanimous not guilty vote on all ten counts.

It was the third time that Michael Jackson was exonerated since 1993 while represented by Mr. Sanger in Santa Barbara. The original 1993 Grand Jury investigation, after months of legal procedures in court and months of presentation of evidence behind closed doors, resulted in a finding of no criminal activity. The 1996-97 civil case, brought by a disgruntled maid and security guards, resulted in an overwhelming victory for Mr. Jackson and his senior staff. The actual jury trial in that case lasted over six months resulting in verdicts in favor of Mr. Jackson on all causes of action, an award in Mr. Jackson's favor on cross-complaints against two of the plaintiffs and an award of sanctions against the plaintiffs and their lawyers for $66,000 as well as an award of attorneys fees and costs against the plaintiffs of over $1.4 million.

Then, in 2005, the verdicts of not guilty in the criminal trial.

These legal issues were over. By 2009, Michael Jackson was embarking on a new sensational venture in his career. He should and will be remembered as a kind and giving, intelligent and well-read man who was also one of the most gifted entertainers, musicians and choreographers of our time.


http://www.sangerswysen.com/news/michael-jackson-trials


This just goes to show that the Estate will deal with both Robson and Safechuck, the same way that Robert Sanger dealt with those who tried and failed to convict an innocent man, Michael Jackson. Michael will once again be exonerated, even in death.

Thank you Robert Sanger for taking care of Michael!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wouldn't say he is going back to dancing - at least professionally.

His wife has recently started a gourmet culinary events company and during father's day event Wade had a dance party (as his wife called it) or a dance session (as he called it). He wrote "no expertise required, so easy so fun". so at most he showed some dance moves to regular people who attended a dinner.

So like I said personally I wouldn't say that he has gone back to dance. Now if he takes part in SYTYCD that's a whole different thing.

Dancing in itself is strongly associated with Michael in his life. I don't think the main point is really how professionally he does it, but if he was really so traumatized by Michael's memory I don't think he would want anything to do with whatever reminds him of MJ. Actually that's what he claimed in his complaint that all these entertainment activities, directing, music, dance remind him so of Michael and his alleged abuse that it would be highly traumatizing for him to remain in that industry. But now we see him creeping back into all of these activities and the industry. In fact, he now calls himself a film director - so that is his chosen profession now. He expressed on FB that he would love to work with dance companies in terms of making film about them.

I also think that Hawaii dance class, no matter how fun or how unprofessional as of now, may be a first step for him to creep back in the dance industry (as well as his intention to work with dance companies as a film director). I looked up what these people, his old buddies - Brian Friedman, Judd and Landon - are doing now and they ALL teach dance classes now. Friedman and Judd are together in a project called The Pulse which is about professional choreographers teaching everyday people to dance: http://www.thepulseontour.com/

So I can totally see Robson creeping back to this world and I would not be surprised to see him on Pulse and teach dance again professionally some time in the future.

ETA: I see they are dancing to Michael's music at the Pulse: https://www.facebook.com/PULSEOnTour/videos/vb.38926529611/10153354832944612/?type=2&theater

https://www.facebook.com/PULSEOnTour/videos/vb.38926529611/10153341018189612/?type=2&theater
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Honestly, he may not have to work professionally currently and/or in the future and he may very well only work currently as a hobby as Ivy previously suggested. Some have noticed the doctor who killed Michael is very silent which may mean he has been taken care of financially by another. The same can or has happened to Robson (and Safechuck). The doctor is not a pariah. Sneddon was not a pariah. Chandlers are not a pariahs. Arvisos are not pariahs. Robson (and Safechuck) most likely will not be a pariah either.

I thought that Conrat went to work as a medical adviser in his home island or thereabouts.

I don't think any of the remaining names mentioned were working in the entertainment industry? I think it is important that Wade (through his false accusations) will be a pariah in the same industry as Michael ie dance / film / music. I would not like to think of Michael's ex-colleagues / associates / 'inspirees' either choosing to or having to work with him eg if the TV/ film/ music industry takes him back as if nothing ever happened.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I thought that Conrat went to work as a medical adviser in his home island or thereabouts.

I don't think any of the remaining names mentioned were working in the entertainment industry? I think it is important that Wade (through his false accusations) will be a pariah in the same industry as Michael ie dance / film / music. I would not like to think of Michael's ex-colleagues / associates / 'inspirees' either choosing to or having to work with him eg if the TV/ film/ music industry takes him back as if nothing ever happened.

I think the problem is that all these people will only ever hear his side of the story and when he applies for a job and if the matter comes up I am sure he will tell them this fake sob story about him being a "victim" etc. which may move people to support him. That's already happening with these ex-colleagues, apparently - Friedman, Judd, Landon.


These people are not like us with knowledge about the why the past allegations against MJ were false or why Robson is a liar. They do not read court docs, they do not know the full story. And in terms of opportunism: Michael is not here any more, so it's not like they will ever have a chance to work with him again, so they might as well as throw him under the bus now just to be able to support Robson.


I hope he will never get a job at a top level (ie. working with top artists on top tours etc.), but I can very well see these old buddies like Friedman and Judd throwing him something at projects like the Pulse etc.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Who's this Friedman anyway? When did he work for Michael? I googled him and it shows pictures of him at the Immortal tour (I think he was there to watch the concert)
 
InvincibleTal;4098834 said:
Who's this Friedman anyway? When did he work for Michael? I googled him and it shows pictures of him at the Immortal tour (I think he was there to watch the concert)


Here is his bio from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Friedman

It only says he worked with MJ but doesn't say when and how:

As a young dancer, Friedman worked with such artists as Michael Jackson, Paula Abdul, Celine Dion, Melissa Etheridge, Salt N Pepa, and Patti LaBelle.

But mainly he seems to have been in those same Britney-'N sync circles as Robson.

Interesting tidbit. Apparently he too had been replaced by Jamie King once:

After this, Friedman flew back to Los Angeles to work with the acts permanently on the live shows of the second season of the American version alongside Simon Cowell, L.A. Reid, and new judges Demi Lovato and Britney Spears. He left the show after the second season and Jamie King took his position in the third season.

This is in connection with that Story that Soundmind linked in a couple of months ago about Friedman threatening Cowell with bad publicity after he got fired and replaced: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...page494?p=4035385&highlight=Brian#post4035385

Brian Friedman threatens Simon Cowell he’s got plenty of ‘dirt’ on X Factor sacking – but he won’t spill until he’s on his death bed
Friday 12 Apr 2013 5:34 pm


EXCLUSIVE: Brian Friedman has threatened Simon Cowell he’s ready to spill the dirt on his short-lived stint as an X Factor judge, but admitted he’d take his spot on the judging panel back ‘in a heartbeat’.
The choreographer-to-the-stars made his threat to the X Factor boss after he was sacked after just one week on the panel and made the Creative Director instead, revealing it was ‘really devastating’.
He’s worked with the likes of Britney Spears, Justin Bieber and Michael Jackson but says it’s Cowell who should watch out when it comes to spilling the beans.
Giving Metro a sneaky glimpse into what kind of dirt his future autobiography will reveal, he tells us: ‘Anyone who is around Michael Jackson, Simon Cowell, Justin Bieber or Britney Spears, you know they’ve got some gossip.
‘But oh my God, the chapter on The X Factor would be really juicy when it came to my judging,’ he teased. ‘Specifically being hired and my position being changed.’



He continued: ‘It all happened in such a short period of time. Being put on the show and all of a sudden being thrust into the spotlight in such a capacity and then having it all ripped away was really devastating so that would be really juicy.’
Despite being sacked so soon into his judging role in 2007, in which he replaced Louis Walsh, Brian wouldn’t have to think twice about taking up the job again.
‘If Simon offered me the spot back on the panel, I would take it in a heartbeat,’ he confessed, adding: ‘I think I would have to get him to sign something to say he wouldn’t fire me after one sitting,’ he said.
‘I was moved into a much harder position. If you’re mentoring you only have three or four of your acts for the season but I have to mentor all of them. It’s a big undertaking.’
Brian also admitted he has had long heart-to-hearts with former X Factor judge Cheryl Cole, who was sacked from the US version of the show after two weeks which led to a bitter spat with Cowell.


He continued: ‘Cheryl and I see each other. We definitely reminisce!’
But the 35-year-old quickly added that he wouldn’t be making Cowell squirm any time soon: ‘This can only happen when I’m about to hit the grave. I want to live!’
Explaining the reason behind his cautiousness, he continued: ‘Let’s just say this. I have had a gag order placed on me before when I have said things. I have been threatened with law suits by very big celebrity names for saying little to nothing so I’m very, very wary of what I say.
‘But what I will say is if I’m about to hit my dying bed to the point where it will be okay if everyone hates me, something may come about because I have a lot of dirt.’
Brian is the creative director for the US X Factor now but he’ll be returning to the UK later this month with The Pulse, a touring dance masterclass giving dance hopefuls the chance to work with professionals.

That Jamie King must be a pain in the ass for Wade and his buddies. LOL.
 
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^ Birds of a feather flock together

I wonder if he actually worked for MJ. I can't think of any MJ project he's associated with so at most he was a background dancer.

Brian Friedman attends the opening night of Cirque Du Soleil's 'Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour' at 02 Arena on October 12, 2012 in London, England.

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Brian+Friedman/Michael+Jackson+Immortal+World+Tour+Premiere/nNqIGY81LCX




even though the judge allows Estate's request, if the case gets dismissed before discovery, the discovery would became moot and wouldn't happen.

Let's say the judge allows their request and then it takes him around a 3-4 weeks to make a decision about the civil suit, they can still dig up those files in the meantime, don't they? And I know it may become a moot point when the case is dropped but I'm still wondering
 
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Michael is not here any more, so it's not like they will ever have a chance to work with him again, so they might as well as throw him under the bus now just to be able to support Robson.

On the other hand, they can make more money and attract more attention with Michael's music, than with Robson. And if Robson is involved they can't use MJ tunes, talk about awkward. Support on a Facebook page is one thing, but when $$ are involved could be a whole other ballgame. I'm not sure how unaware they are. I doubt they know details but word spreads in that industry like wildfire I'll bet. It will be interesting to see just how far that support goes.
 
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Let's say the judge allows their request and then it takes him around a 3-4 weeks to make a decision about the civil suit, they can still dig up those files in the meantime, don't they? And I know it may become a moot point when the case is dropped but I'm still wondering

If you ask me , to save time and effort, judge could take it under consideration and make a decision at the same time. Such as saying I dismiss the case hence the subpoena is moot or allowing another round / or allow case survive demurrer and give them the discovery they wanted. Of course it's also possible the judge can allow discovery on the spot (july 20) and then take the demurrer under consideration. If we assume he takes 5 weeks to rule (like he did during probate claim), discovery could happen before case gets dismissed. So a lot of possibilities, we'll see.
 
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Sidenote: Just wanted to put out some positivity in that my upstairs neighbour and I just had a conversation about MJ. Turns out she used to be a huge MJ fan, but had questions about the allegations. I spoke at length for about an hour on both the Chandler and Arviso case, and am happy to report that I have convinced her of his innocence. I gave her the Redemption and Conspiracy books to read (which she was super stoked about), and she left telling me that she's not only going to read the books to provide herself with facts, but also take the information I gave her so that she can pass on her knowledge to people who bring up the allegations in the future. Score one for the MJ Truth Team :D

See, your neighbor is out to hear the truth and I believe that is what most people do; but when you get people who want to believe what they want to believe even when you give them the truth, that means they have another agenda to believe lies.
 
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If you ask me , to save time and effort, judge could take it under consideration and make a decision at the same time. Such as saying I dismiss the case hence the subpoena is moot or allowing another round / or allow case survive demurrer and give them the discovery they wanted. Of course it's also possible the judge can allow discovery on the spot (july 20) and then take the demurrer under consideration. If we assume he takes 5 weeks to rule (like he did during probate claim), discovery could happen before case gets dismissed. So a lot of possibilities, we'll see.

Thanks Ivy, that's exactly what I wanted to know
 
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I thought that Conrat went to work as a medical adviser in his home island or thereabouts.

Volunteer status.

I don't think any of the remaining names mentioned were working in the entertainment industry?

If Robson never works in the entertainment industry it will be some sort of justice/karma of sorts? The point is: none of these people have become pariahs and they continue living their lives.
 
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The point is: none of these people have become pariahs and they continue living their lives.

This is one of the most frustrating things for me because it's completely true. In regards to the the Arviso's and Chandler's, you're right. They don't work in the entertainment industry, and no one would look twice at them on the street and know who they are. I mean Arviso got married for goodness sake, and we know he used an MJ song at his wedding. Why would the public know that? I can't remember if it was Chandler's uncle or cousin or whatever, but didn't that person also post songs of MJ's or something to do with speaking about what a great guy he was or whatever after MJ died? Most people don't even know Jordie emancipated from his parents and never spoke to them again, let alone that Evan Chandler killed himself after MJ died. Unfortunately the Fandom can pick these knuckleheads out from a sea of people, but especially with MJ now being gone for 6 years, and the dwindling over the years of said Fandom with every accusation, a lot of people adopted the mentality that now that MJ is gone, he can be at peace and we can start to focus on his work again and just not talk about the elephant in the room, meanwhile the idiots like Chandler/Arviso will just go on spending their blood money.

In regards to the industry, such as those who support Robson, I feel that in Robson's case he will primarily be looked upon as a "victim" regardless of whether he loses this case or not, and therefore it won't greatly affect his hiring ability. Here's why I think that: The industry is wrought with the "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" thought process. The dance industry in particular is quite tight-knit if you will, and if you're good at what you do with a good resume to boot and an addition of well known personal/professional friends continuously networking/recommending each others work, it isn't difficult to get hired no matter your personal circumstance. You have to remember that most of these dancers are older now, and have known each other since their teens/early twenties. Touring shows aren't really in their cards any longer. Television panel guests on dance shows, directing, one off performances for award shows, and primarily master classes/choreography classes around the world tend to be more in their work life area these days, which is pretty standard when you're in your mid to late thirties +. And unfortunately when you see a resume as impressive as some of theirs, people want to work with them. I mean, let's use Tina Landon as an example. She was one of the best hidden gems for years. I know people that would give their right leg to work with her. Most would want to know about Michael Jackson's talent and what it was like to work with him, but they want her skills and knowledge, not her opinion on his personal life.

There is the twitter of Tina Landon

https://twitter.com/IamTinaLandon

The @KAlexanderShow welcomes @IamTinaLandon celebrating #MJ & @JanetJackson's #Scream! http://bit.ly/1SEhCN4

This is the interview I was referring to in my previous post where she spoke for an hour about working with Michael, Janet, etc. The interview was actually really great, and gave a lot of insight into the makings of Scream. Then a couple days later (the 18th I think?) she posts on Wade's FB photo that she wishes she could be in Hawaii supporting him followed by Cris Judd mentioning how he loved him and missed him bro. I mean :wtf2
 
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Chandler/arvizos etc are not public figures. 99.9% of ppl if they met them in the street would have no idea who they are. so why would anyone expect them to become pariahs. the closest to that would be if they went for a job and a fan interviewed them!
 
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There is the twitter of Tina Landon

https://twitter.com/IamTinaLandon

Also a interview she did recently, didn`t hear it yet

Tina Landon retweetete
Kelly Alexander ?@KellyAlexander 28. Mai

The @KAlexanderShow welcomes @IamTinaLandon celebrating #MJ & @JanetJackson's #Scream! http://bit.ly/1SEhCN4
 
TinnyandOdd, yes. The loyalty for those mentioned is to Robson who is their peer, not Michael who may have been seen as a distant mentor. They may view this as it is: an attack on the estate which is primarily financial and leave it as that. They can continue to dance to Michael’s music and speak of their experiences with him because that has a positive financial aspect.

ElusiveMoonwalker, some see the actions of a Sneddon, Chandlers, Arvisos, etc. as an evil act and will distance themselves from such people and others surrounding them. Some can narrow that act to the specific individual and not those surrounding such as the familial line (example: the condolences to Sneddon’s family when he passed, one Cascio's tracks vs. one Cascio's book). There are those who believe in giving second, third, fourth, etc number of chances to such individuals because they see the act as an error never to happen again and/or the person as being a victim of circumstance. Many saw Michael’s AEG deal as a comeback a.k.a. a second chance. There are many reactions to such acts which means no one becomes a pariah. The acts of the Chanlers and Arvisos are well known and one does not have to be a fan to have feelings - positive/negative - about their acts.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sidenote: Just wanted to put out some positivity in that my upstairs neighbour and I just had a conversation about MJ. Turns out she used to be a huge MJ fan, but had questions about the allegations. I spoke at length for about an hour on both the Chandler and Arviso case, and am happy to report that I have convinced her of his innocence. I gave her the Redemption and Conspiracy books to read (which she was super stoked about), and she left telling me that she's not only going to read the books to provide herself with facts, but also take the information I gave her so that she can pass on her knowledge to people who bring up the allegations in the future. Score one for the MJ Truth Team :D
:cheers: GO MJ FAN TEAM!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

:cheers: GO MJ FAN TEAM!

Fan is accurate, but I also come at things more from an angle of truth. I'm fascinated with law, and unfortunately a primary reason for that is because I started out at a young age as an MJ fan (28 now) and educated myself over the years. 20 years of Fandom and all the s**t that MJ went through sort of steers you into an education of sorts :bored: I say unfortunately because it's really quite upsetting to see what one human being had to go through, publicly no less, when the vast majority of it was bulls**t.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So true tiny. so true
 
It's the character of Davellin Arvizo, brother of Gavin and Star Arvizo. that leads us to a better understanding of the Arvizo's.

Both Manuel Ramariez and Carol Lemere stated what really was going on in the Arvizo household, along with Peaches Jackson, who was married to the brother of Joe Jackson. Her children also stated about the true character's of Gavin and Star Arvizo. Rijo and Simone Jackson even brought out how Janet Arvizo wanted to go to Brazil for a month's vacation. How Gavin and Star would sneak wine, wanted Simone to take off her clothes in the swimming pool at Neverland Ranch, masturbate to pornography, calling Michael a bastard, that Gavin and Star would go through drawers and closets, including finding the keypad lock combinations.

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/030105motadmevidgsa.pdf

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/042005mjoppdaqshramirez.pdf

...and this is why Robson and Safechuck thought the court of public opinion would sway the Estate of Michael Jackson to cower. “Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons.” - Michael Jackson
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is the interview I was referring to in my previous post where she spoke for an hour about working with Michael, Janet, etc. The interview was actually really great, and gave a lot of insight into the makings of Scream. Then a couple days later (the 18th I think?) she posts on Wade's FB photo that she wishes she could be in Hawaii supporting him followed by Cris Judd mentioning how he loved him and missed him bro. I mean :wtf2

I have to say I am not liking this IV very much. She spends much time in explaining that Janet was the only one who cared that she gets the credit she deserves for the video, even suggesting under the lines Michael and his team wanted to pretend it with not filming Janet and her behind the scenes.
Also her feelings for preparing the VMA-tribute 2009 (it was so much fun, so silly) are in my opinion not the right word considering Michaels death was not long before.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have to say I am not liking this IV very much. She spends much time in explaining that Janet was the only one who cared that she gets the credit she deserves for the video, even suggesting under the lines Michael and his team wanted to pretend it with not filming Janet and her behind the scenes.
Also her feelings for preparing the VMA-tribute 2009 (it was so much fun, so silly) are in my opinion not the right word considering Michaels death was not long before.

That's might explain her "support" to Wade. It is not about Wade , it is always about getting back at MJ.
 
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