[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm the same way and would love to see them totally destroyed in court. But Tom did that already with the Arvizios and it didn't do any good.
But if the judge goes ahead and tosses everything out on statute of limitations it should stop dead cold any future wannabes.
 
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^ I think it would be better if they throw it out. Michael was tried and aquitted in a court in the Arvizo case and that did not stop polls coming back with the result at the time that most people thought he was guilty. And you can hardly have a more disastrous court case for a prosecution that that one was. But most people are not that deep and they do not look into the reasons of a court decesion. As you have seen with Clemente and his followers most will rather build their judgement on superficial (and thus often erroneous) impressions and assumptions, not on facts that come out at a trial.

So far I don't think this case registers on most people's radar in the general public. If it goes to court, it may get blown up more by the media, so that's another reason why I do not root for it to go to trial. To be honest, for Michael it's a lose-lose situation. If it goes to court and his defense wins it does not mean the public will accept that (see Arvizo case). I guarantee that Wade and his lawyers will cry on TV about "celebrity justice" etc. If MJ loses - well, that would be tragic. (Remember this is a civil case - a lot more risky than a criminal one! There is no guarantee that it would come back with a decision that is favourable for MJ.) If it doesn't go to court then again expect Robson to cry on TV about celebrity justice and a technical decision, but again, that would also happen if it does go to court and MJ wins.

MJ is not here to defend himself and these fake "victims" can be very emotionally manipulative in the media. So I think the best is if the case remains as low key as possible and gets thrown out as soon as possible.

I think we have to accept that we cannot really achieve an "absolute win" in the court of public opinion, no matter what - unfortunately this shadow will always hang over MJ's legacy in many people's mind. We cannot change that unfortunately.

btw - we should have updates this week or is it next week?


Next hearing is on Tuesday, December 16.
 
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Thank god it not out there that one thing in our favor for now. I really hope that the judge will not let this go to court that would be so unfair what about the laws those would go right out the window i just do not see the judge letting these cases move on. I am hoping that the judge will not grant equitable estopped and he can see that the lawyers are simple twist the words to show the judge that it does apply to them.


We have look at Wade and Safechuck case the lawyers are trying to get around the law nothing is there no proof no evidence nothing to back they stories up just they words and we know the judge has to take that as true they cases imo is very very weak. The law is what this judge has to basic his decision on. We do not know which way the judge will go i pray in the end that the law will prevail and this can be over.


You know in 1993 when the first allegations came out ppls were already talking i knew he was doing something to the kids and it was not normal in they mind he was guilty and when Michael settled that really took the cake oh yet he did it thanks to the media. Ppls will never change their in 2005 Michael went to court and we found not guilty by a jury of his peers do you think that change the ppls mind no. Now here in 2014 we are waiting on a decision to see if these cases of alleged sexual abuse that happen 2 decade ago will go to court. Will this really every end?


Do we really have to accept this shadow over MJ Legacy?
 
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Not saying I want these cases to proceed or anything, but sometimes I am a bit afraid that people will see it as technical thing and not an actual win... There's this little part of me that wants to see Michael's lawyers kick Wade's ass in court just anyway so there won't be any shred of doubt in the future like Tmez dismissed anything the Arvizos brought up. Of course, people who want to have doubts will always find excuses to have them so I shouldn't really care. I really hope the judge will drop them and they won't have to go through this long trial - which may also get more attention if it gets green light.

btw - we should have updates this week or is it next week?


My concern is we don't know which way this judge will go but i hope he does not give it the green light these cases do not need any more attention but there is one thing everybody agree on and that is you can not sue a dead man so just maybe the judge might dismiss MJ and his companies because MJ is not here to defend himself.
 
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I hope the judge will stop these cases so these liers stop making these stupid claims and Michael can RIP!
 
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I hope the judge will stop these cases so these liers stop making these stupid claims and Michael can RIP!


We all hope for this.
 
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I hope the judge will stop these cases so these liers stop making these stupid claims and Michael can RIP!

It's just ludicrous, isn't it? Who could possibly believe these greedy little twits? It's so transparent that they got the bright idea that they could get money. Thing is this story doesn't seem to have much traction in the press. They don't want a trial they are hoping for a payoff but I doubt they will get a dime.
 
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The judge has to take Wade and Safechuck words as true his job is not to decide weather they are telling the true or not. The judge job is to by the law to decide weather there is enough evidence for these cases to move forward and as for not much reaction from the public that is only two TB has have been reporting this(RO and NE) no other news channels have pick this up not even TMZ that why i am glad there is this low key and another reason is that Michael is not here to answer to these false allegations.


If Michael was here we would not see this at all. These are just lies that Wade and James cooking up to scare the Estate and force them to settled but the Estate said not so so now they are trying to get around the law and that will backfire on them too. Just like Michael always said if you tell a lie long enough you stared to believe.
 
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I'm trying not to be repetitive and I am searching posts, but just need a fast refresher (there are a LOT of posts here) I know tomorrow December 16th is Safechuck's big day-but does Robson have anything on the docket too?

Thanks.
 
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I'm trying not to be repetitive and searching posts, but just need a fast refresher (there are a LOT of posts here) I know tomorrow December 16th is Safechuck's big day-but does Robson have anything on the docket too?

Thanks.

i believe tomorrow is actually wade's hearing.
 
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I'm trying not to be repetitive and searching posts, but just need a fast refresher (there are a LOT of posts here) I know tomorrow December 16th is Safechuck's big day-but does Robson have anything on the docket too?

Thanks.

robson's amended complaint for civil case is due on the 16th - although it would probably take days / weeks before it shows at the system- if it shows at the system and not redacted/ sealed.

a previous media report also said 16th is the next hearing date for Robson as well but hard to know if it's true or what it is about.
 
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I'll post it here.

Ps: given Safechuck just filing his opposition to Estate's demurrer, it looks like Nov 19 hearing did not happen and/or was delayed to December 16.

documents: https://amradaronline.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/safechuck-jackson-court-docs-dec-5-2014.pdf
I got from this that Safechuck was postponed to the 16th-did that change? Did you mean on the above post from the "media report" Safechuck instead of Robson? Thanks.

On another note, maybe S. Brown will stop his reporting on this at least. I see he is now on the Cosby case and his recorded phone call made all the weekend newspapers and the morning shows today.
 
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Since they are both represented by the same lawyers I think it's possible that both Robson and Safechuck will be discussed.
 
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I got from this that Safechuck was postponed to the 16th-did that change? Did you mean on the above post from the "media report" Safechuck instead of Robson? Thanks.

No it did not change. The latest documents (dec 3) posted by Radar still shows Safechuck's hearing at December 16.

there have been media report about Robson in which it said the next hearing for Robson is 16th. (see this link: http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...-suffers-la-court-setback-20141107-3jsfj.html and at the end it says The matter was adjourned to December 16.)

So in short

December 16
- Safechuck probate demurrer hearing
- A hearing (not exactly clear about what) about Robson
- Robson civil amended complaint due date
 
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So in short
December 16
- Safechuck probate demurrer hearing
- A hearing (not exactly clear about what) about Robson
- Robson civil amended complaint due date

Got it-thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I can't wait to see what Wade amended complaint say if he file or ask for more time. The judge told him to go back and redo it it look like negligence but so far Wade has yet to prove that somebody in the companies knew or was aware that this was happening and did nothing about it.

I hope that the judge will see that the Estate is right that these claims have been file late and by laws should be dismiss. Wade/James reasons for explaining why they are late does not fall within the law either they have miss every deadline.
 
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What about what the judge said that he might dismiss MJ and his companies is that going to be in the civil lawsuit still?
 
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The law is what this judge has to basic his decision on. We do not know which way the judge will go i pray in the end that the law will prevail and this can be over.

You know in 1993 when the first allegations came out ppls were already talking i knew he was doing something to the kids and it was not normal in they mind he was guilty and when Michael settled that really took the cake oh yet he did it thanks to the media. Ppls will never change their in 2005 Michael went to court and we found not guilty by a jury of his peers do you think that change the ppls mind no. Now here in 2014 we are waiting on a decision to see if these cases of alleged sexual abuse that happen 2 decade ago will go to court. Will this really every end?

Do we really have to accept this shadow over MJ Legacy?
I just wanted to say how I really felt what you were saying with this post. Back in 93-when this started-and it was on top of all that crazy, ridiculous rumours that had been going on about Michael from 85 on-and I heard it-I just slammed my fist on my desk and said "What now???!!!" I didn't know about the case, I didn't know anything about any evidence, I didn't know anything, because I shut my ears to everything about it-I was so enraged, and the one good thing at that time was that most people here did not believe the claims.
Even at the NAACP Image awards in January, he made the most beautiful speech he ever made in his life, about civil rights and the right to be considered not guilty until he was actually charged and convicted of a crime.

Then the settlement happened a few weeks later and everything changed. Totally changed. I remember hearing about it, excusing myself, and crying my heart out in our office restroom. Of course, at that time, I had no idea of the pleadings and motions to postpone the civil trial until after the criminal one, I had no idea of the agony that was going on, and the number of civil rights that Michael was denied. I just know the USA completely turned against him because that settlement made everyone thnk guilty. Europe and Asia and other countries welcomed him, but we did not. I truly think this is what made his autoimmune diseases flare up because of the stress, made the insomnia so much worse, and theoretically killed him.

Even with Arvizo, I shut my ears to that one, and would only watch the highlights of the trial every evening just to know what was going on, and didn't even know then that I was not getting the real truth from the news reports and the case was actually not even a credible case, and victories were being made every day in court.
I was just terrified that even though I knew he hadn't done it, the jury was going to convict him anyway, because of the eccentric reputation and that would be it-when he was declared not guilty, I threw myself on the floor and cried hysterically, thanking God. And I'm not particularly religious.

Now, that I have had my own computer since 2007, I can see all these cases for what they are-really read transcripts and it hurts my heart even more.

That's why I'm so invested in these new cases-I want it to stop and I want truth to prevail. I want to see total vindication before I die.
 
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And as we all know,if this get's the go ahead it will be big news again,slandering Michael's name and so on....and if it doesn't there will hardly be a mention of it.
 
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I just hope that the judge would just quietly dismiss this don't let it turn into a circus where the media can turn the world against Michael again who is not here to defend himself that would be so unfair and wrong.

Wade/James should not get no more attention on these cases it all build on lies no prove not evidence just they words one side of the story is told here. I am hoping that the judge will go by the laws and not let this go through. I am so glad that no other news channels has pick this up i am hoping it out of respect for Michael and his family and his kids. Like it was mention the world turn it back on Michael why give these two a chance to drag his name through the mud again how unfair would that be and these are events that happen 2 decade ago why waste the court time and money with lies.

It time to end this messy enough is enough let move on with our life and end this nightmare and let Michael Jackson finale rest in peace. Miss you MJ.
 
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And as we all know,if this get's the go ahead it will be big news again,slandering Michael's name and so on....and if it doesn't there will hardly be a mention of it.

That why i am praying that this judge will end this nightmare can you just see the headlines

More Allegations Against Singer Michael Jackson.
Victim Finally Break Slience After 20 Years Claiming MJ Abuse Him.

This just make my stomach turn upside down. This is what could happen if this judge give these cases the green light.
 
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Barbee0715 That's why I'm so invested in these new cases-I want it to stop and I want truth to prevail. I want to see total vindication before I die.

I am right there with you i am also so glue to these two cases i would love to to see the truth finally prevail here it would be a small victory for us but i will take it. Just pray that that God will lead the judge in the right direction and end this. What nice early Christmas present.


My heart just keep telling me this is so wrong and so unfair Michael is not here to defend himself and for something like this that can drag Michael name through the mud again it just break my heart.:no:
 
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That's why I'm so invested in these new cases-I want it to stop and I want truth to prevail. I want to see total vindication before I die.

We all want that.

When Michael died I think we all thought the slander would be over, but we should have realized that the slander did not have much to do with whether he was dead or alive, but with the fact that money was to be made of it. And as long as money is to be made of the slander of Michael Jackson it will always be there, sadly. And I also learnt that this world is not like the worlds of fairy tales where justice always prevails. Unfortunately in real life justice and truth too often does not prevail at all.

I know I will never forgive this to Wade Robson and James Safechuck. This is the ultimate betrayal and they do not even have that little excuse of being kids under their parents influence, like the previous accusers did. I cannot understand how they can live with themselves especially Wade who spent a life acting as if he was Michael's friend and then when his life falls apart because of inherited mental illness and gets desperate to financially secure his future while not having to work any more, the first thing he does is turn around and stab a knife in MJ's back.

I guess whether someone is able to live with himself while doing such a thing depends on with what values he was raised with. For me it's difficult to get my head around it because my grandparents, parents were always proud people in their love for the truth and honor. But I know there are people who do not think that way. There are people who think the end justifies the means and who make up all kind of excuses and justifications for themselves about why they are entitled to get rich at the cost of slandering someone with lies. I'm sure Wade and James are too working hard on their "justification" process in their mind as well. But no self-justification will change the fact they are both just amoral little b*stards - modern day Judases. That's how low they sank. They probably do not care about such moral issues though. The fact they went there and pull this shows they and their supporting family members do not have a moral sense, so they probably do not care as long as they can have their way and get away with it. But I am utterly disgusted by these people and I'm not sure if I could resist spitting on them if I ever saw them in real life.

Some people Michael helped and mentored just did not deserve it. He should have been less giving and more selfish and just leave these vultures rot wherever they were. What kind of person it is who thanks all that goodnes and kindness with this? Ruining Michael's legacy and reputation for $$$? How can they ever look into the mirror?
 
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anyone else waiting to see if there will be any news?
 
Well here's good news

Judge skeptical on man’s late claim against Michael Jackson estate
POSTED BY COLLEEN PARK ON DECEMBER 16, 2014 IN HOLLYWOOD | 1 VIEWS | LEAVE A RESPONSE

A judge expressed skepticism Tuesday about whether a man who alleges he was abused as a child by Michael Jackson can file a late claim against the singer’s estate, but took the matter under submission and said he would rule later.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff noted that James Safechuck told his mother in 2005 about the alleged molestation and broke ties with the pop star.

The judge also noted that Safechuck that year rejected Jackson’s request to testify on his behalf when the singer was on trial on sexual abuse charges involving another young man — allegations for which the entertainer was acquitted.

“Mr. Safechuck said, ‘No, I won’t testify in your criminal trial and don’t call me again,”‘ Beckloff said.

Safechuck did not file his petition for a late claim against the Jackson estate until August.


Attorneys for the estate maintain Safechuck had 60 days to file the claim after he began to understand what allegedly happened to him after seeing a May 2013 television interview with Wayne Robson, who also claims he was sexually abused by Jackson as a child.

Safechuck’s attorneys maintain he did not fully comprehend what happened until he obtained therapy and that therefore he is not bound by the 60-day statute.

Howard Weitzman, an attorney for the Jackson estate, has said Safechuck’s claims should be dismissed.

“Mr. Safechuck’s request to file a late claim against the Jackson estate so he can recover money from Michael’s beneficiary will hopefully be rejected,” Weitzman said previously. “This is a person that made his claim five years after Michael died, more than 20 years after the incidents supposedly happened and has given sworn testimony that Michael never did anything inappropriate to him.”

Safechuck, 36, alleges he was abused by the King of Pop after the two appeared together in a late-1980s Pepsi commercial, when Safechuck was 10.

“(Jackson) engaged in a calculated course of conduct to lure both (Safechuck) and his parents into a false sense of security and normalcy that was far from reality,” Safechuck’s attorneys allege in the court papers.

They claim Jackson “was successful in his efforts to the point that (Safechuck) endured repeated acts of sexual abuse of a heinous nature and was brainwashed by the decedent into believing they were acts of love and instigated by James himself rather than the decedent.”

Jackson had Safechuck dress like him to the point the boy looked like a “miniature version” of the singer, Safechuck’s attorneys’ court papers state.

“After the first incident (Safechuck) regularly began sleeping in (Jackson’s) bed in his hotel room during the rest of the ‘Bad’ tour in 1988,” Safechuck’s attorneys’ court papers state.

Safechuck alleges the pop star went molested him about 100 times for four years up until he reached puberty.

Last year, the 31-year-old Robson, an Australian former-choreographer, also filed a petition for a late claim against the estate, alleging Jackson sexually abused him at a young age.

According to Safechuck’s attorneys’ court papers, their client was able to gain “insight” from Robson’s claim and then obtained psychiatric help that has allowed him to come forward with details of the “loathsome nature of his childhood sexual relationship with (Jackson), the effects of which he has buried for decades.”

Jackson died June 25, 2009, of acute propofol intoxication.

— City News Service

http://mynewsla.com/hollywood/2014/...e-claim-michael-jackson-estate-alleged-abuse/
 
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*fingers crossed*
 
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^^
This is extremely good news IMO. I would LOVE to read the whole exchange but to me it looks like judge isn't buying "I didn't realize I was abused until 2013 but I told my mother I was abused in 2005" BS. Also Safechuck's ability to break his ties with Michael does show that he wasn't brainwashed or afraid of Michael. Simply put even if he was abused, he could have pursued it in 2005.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It sounds to me that he understood "what happened to him" in 2005, by his own admission. Attorneys are being nice by saying he had 60 days after seeing Robson talk.

Ivy, do you know if it's still going on? The Robson part?
 
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Ivy, do you know if it's still going on? The Robson part?

I don't know. What I know that Estate probate hearings generally take whole morning 8:30 AM to 12:00PM PST and media starts reporting after 12:00 PM PST - 3:00 PM ET. I have google alerts set up and the above story just showed up in my mailbox. We'll see if any other stories will follow.
 
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^^
This is extremely good news IMO. I would LOVE to read the whole exchange but to me it looks like judge isn't buying "I didn't realize I was abused until 2013 but I told my mother I was abused in 2005" BS. Also Safechuck's ability to break his ties with Michael does show that he wasn't brainwashed or afraid of Michael. Simply put even if he was abused, he could have pursued it in 2005.


Maybe we'll see them soon? I agree about the brainwash thing. So the judge basically did what Safejunk's lawyers asked him to and took his claims as true and it's gonna backfire. lol. Maybe they shouldn't have mentioned 2005 and his mother. Funny how the more details they add the easier it is to see right through them. The Arvizos couldn't help themselves either. They had to claim the conspiracy bullshit. I think what the judge said isn't really pro-MJ, it looks like he doesn't believe their reasons to the late claims.
 
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