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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Gavin doesn't need any explanation from Wade because Michael never molested him and they both know that. If anything, Gavin must be as surprised as we are that Wade had that sudden change. Keep in mind that Gavin is not Sneddon and there's no grey area for him to whether or not he knew Michael didn't do anything wrong. Gavin knew Michael is innocent, because he was never molested by him. It is possible that Sneddon was convinced (for no reason at all) Michael is guilty. Gavin knew it was the opposite.

So it will be absurd for Wade and Gavin to have a conversation with Gavin feeling like Wade owes him an explanation or Wade feeling like he should try to explain. They're both aware of their own lies and each other's lies. Plain ridiculous.

I do think Wade has some serious begging to do though. I think Gavin won't be too enthusiastic to join such case for someone else's financial benefit. This trial is not about truths or justice. The only reason Gavin can be upset with Wade is the fact he and his family didn't get their share in 2005.
 
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After reading his brother star's comment to a fan on facebook, I think Gavin may feel that even though MJ never molested him, he was still a child molester who molested other people, so therefore he and his family did the right thing by falsely accusing him of all those horrible acts. I can see Sneddon and Zonen sitting at a table with these kids saying stuff like "You guys are very brave. He's a monster. He did this to lots of people. You are doing the right thing" blah blah blah..So now they have no remorse and feel totally justified with what they did..Keep in mind that this is a family with very little values and morals..
 
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Reading Star's written comment to a stranger fan on an online social network the only conclusion that we have to conclude is that he's obviously not going to admit he commited perjury to a random person and an obvious MJ supporter on Facebook, one who can easily take a screenshot of the conversation and spread it all over the internet or, even let the authorities know.

Given his family have "very little values and morals" as we already know and witnessed before, they really don't have to believe MJ did wrong to some imaginary someone. They were doing their part and planned to cash it later. They probably got their paycheck anyway, just had bigger dreams that would have been followed by MJ's conviction.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

dannyboy72 said:
After reading his brother star's comment to a fan on facebook, I think Gavin may feel that even though MJ never molested him, he was still a child molester who molested other people, so therefore he and his family did the right thing by falsely accusing him of all those horrible acts. I can see Sneddon and Zonen sitting at a table with these kids saying stuff like "You guys are very brave. He's a monster. He did this to lots of people. You are doing the right thing" blah blah blah..So now they have no remorse and feel totally justified with what they did..Keep in mind that this is a family with very little values and morals..
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So you know they were planning to accuse Michael before they met him. Talked to lawyers about getting a settlement at months before they met the guy. Sneddon had to beg the mother not to file civil suit so he could prosecute Michael. He knew they were a bunch of greedy scum bags he didn't have to convince them Michael was anything. I for one would love it if he and Jordan talked to Wade. Mez smacked Gavin around so bad round two would be wonderful. Let's get Jordan on the stand let him undergo that cross examination he feared so much. Let's get his friends and sister on the stand let them explain some things
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I do not want to see none of them on the stand i just pray that this judge will just end this messy Wade does not have a case i hope this judge can see right through Wade. I do not see by have Jorge and Gavin to help with his case will makes a different. I believe Wade has forget what this case is about it not about Jorge or Gavin it about Wade and Michael and what he claim Michael did to him.


Imo this case is one sided we only have Wade words that this so call alleged abuse took place years ago Michael is not here to defend himself against these crazy charges. Wade has no evidence to move this case along that is imo i just do not see it. I am just praying that Dec 16 we can see justice for Michael it is long overdue.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Apparently Wades cousin Jonathan has died.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Probaly his hate killed him.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
Wow. He was a young man.

I guess it's not yet known why. Was he ill or is it something else?
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I am not sure as of yet. I presume it would have been something sudden and unexpected, as he was making a lot of future business plans up until recently.

Lets hope it wasn't a suicide. I can just picture Wade shamefully exploiting his own cousins death as he did his own fathers. Putting the blame on MJ for his death to try further his ca$e.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

MJLovesyoumore said:
Lets hope it wasn't a suicide. I can just picture Wade shamefully exploiting his own cousins death as he did his own fathers. Putting the blame on MJ for his death to try further his ca$e.
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Well, he was supportive of Wade, but I can't see how this whole case would make him suicidal. Unless he realized Wade was a freaking liar and sociopath and it's shame of his own family that made him suicidal. But I guess it's probably an accident.

ETA: If it's suicide it would also be interesting from the aspect of mental illness apparently running in the Robson family.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Who would really care besides the misrable low-lives who support wade? even those dont realy care. MJ has almost 80 million fans on facebook, he is immortal while no one will remember Jonathan in a couple of weeks.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

InvincibleTal said:
Gavin doesn't need any explanation from Wade because Michael never molested him and they both know that. If anything, Gavin must be as surprised as we are that Wade had that sudden change. Keep in mind that Gavin is not Sneddon and there's no grey area for him to whether or not he knew Michael didn't do anything wrong. Gavin knew Michael is innocent, because he was never molested by him. It is possible that Sneddon was convinced (for no reason at all) Michael is guilty. Gavin knew it was the opposite.

So it will be absurd for Wade and Gavin to have a conversation with Gavin feeling like Wade owes him an explanation or Wade feeling like he should try to explain. They're both aware of their own lies and each other's lies. Plain ridiculous.
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Lol, of course it's not ridiculous. Gavin knows mj is 'innocent' because he wasn't molested ?? Since when do you have to be molested by someone to believe that they are a pedophile? Gavin didn't have some close friendship with mj - he had some phone calls whilst in hospital and 2/3 meetings with mj - that is it before the bashir debacle. He hardly knew mj and he knew perfectly well that he and his family weren't one of mj's chosen families and in his inner circle like the cascios, robsons etc. What gavin has been exposed to for the past decade is the influence of sneddon, zonen, ddimond etc - all people absolutely convinced that mj is a pedophile and whilst he knows that his particular story is a load of hogwash, i'm sure he's more than happy to believe or at least go along with the meme that mj is a child molester, and that he happened to avoid it simply because he didn't have a close relationship with mj like other children did. As respect says, might help to justify to himself his antics of 03-05, that he and his family were providing a public service to convict mj, i'm sure sneddon stressed that.

respect77 said:
I do not think Gavin is all that bothered about that. He was a liar too and he knew he was a liar, so I don't think his little soul is all that hurt about "not getting his justice" in court.
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I would say Gavin would definitely be bothered by not getting his 'justice' in court purely because a guilty verdict would have made his subsequent multi-million $ civil case a walkover. Actually i can see gavin being pretty bitter against wade, and jimmy too. He can see wade and his family, and jimmy having had that special relationship with mj that his family didn't have, and all the perks that entailed, with mj helping wade with his stellar career. Then Wade and jimmy decide to turn against mj after his death and look for $millions, millions that gavin never got because none of them answered that roll call for victims back in 2003 which would have been a huge boost to his own case. If gavin is anything like his mum and dad, and not had a personality transplant since 2005, then his only interest in these court proceedings is what is in it for him $ wise. Which is zilch.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Justthefacts said:
So you know they were planning to accuse Michael before they met him. Talked to lawyers about getting a settlement at months before they met the guy.
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No that isn't true. Arvizos happened to meet with some lawyers about some matter in 2000, one of the lawyers just happened to be called feldman. It wasn't the feldman who was chandler's lawyer. Tmez brought up this issue before the trial but it was shown to be just a coincidence in names in one of the pre trial motions.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I can't post it but it's just a reprint of the article in RO about Wade using Gavin as a witness.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ok. Google news search said it was published 7 hours ago, so I assumed it would have been something new.
 
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Bonnie Blue said:
Lol, of course it's not ridiculous. Gavin knows mj is 'innocent' because he wasn't molested ?? Since when do you have to be molested by someone to believe that they are a pedophile? Gavin didn't have some close friendship with mj - he had some phone calls whilst in hospital and 2/3 meetings with mj - that is it before the bashir debacle. He hardly knew mj and he knew perfectly well that he and his family weren't one of mj's chosen families and in his inner circle like the cascios, robsons etc. What gavin has been exposed to for the past decade is the influence of sneddon, zonen, ddimond etc - all people absolutely convinced that mj is a pedophile and whilst he knows that his particular story is a load of hogwash, i'm sure he's more than happy to believe or at least go along with the meme that mj is a child molester, and that he happened to avoid it simply because he didn't have a close relationship with mj like other children did. As respect says, might help to justify to himself his antics of 03-05, that he and his family were providing a public service to convict mj, i'm sure sneddon stressed that.


I would say Gavin would definitely be bothered by not getting his 'justice' in court purely because a guilty verdict would have made his subsequent multi-million $ civil case a walkover. Actually i can see gavin being pretty bitter against wade, and jimmy too. He can see wade and his family, and jimmy having had that special relationship with mj that his family didn't have, and all the perks that entailed, with mj helping wade with his stellar career. Then Wade and jimmy decide to turn against mj after his death and look for $millions, millions that gavin never got because none of them answered that roll call for victims back in 2003 which would have been a huge boost to his own case. If gavin is anything like his mum and dad, and not had a personality transplant since 2005, then his only interest in these court proceedings is what is in it for him $ wise. Which is zilch.
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Gavin KNOWS Michael is Innocent of his accusations. Maybe not Innocent in the general aspect of innocence but he's definitely aware Michael never molested him. So of course it's absurd of Wade and Gavin to have a "Why didn't you help me" conversation when they are both aware their allagations are false. It's like asking "Why didn't you lie for me?" when they never had any kind of friendship that would obligate Wade to help Gavin win a set up case. Can you really imagine them sitting in the same room and having a serious conversation ignoring the huge elephant in the room? It just sounds like two mental cases who keep playing the same round in poker after they've showed their hands.

I don't understand this argument and the Lol-ing at all because I feel like you're ignoring the fact that my starting point is that Gavin is a liar. It's not like he was ununconsciously making things up on the stand because he has some pathological lying problem he is not aware of.

What other stories Gavin may have told himself really don't matter to me because I am only reffering to "How on earth would wade even begin to try explain to gavin privately why he denied everything in court". Gavin Knows why Wade denied things in court.

Now, will Wade have to explain things to Gavin? Yes, but not out of Gavin's great concern of justice, but more in a "What's in it for me?" way. Both respect and I said it - Gavin is probably pissed with Wade and anyone who talked for Michael in court because he lost his chance to get rich.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Who's Wade's cousin? Is he someone famous? I couldn't find him on google :mello:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

InvincibleTal said:
Who's Wade's cousin? Is he someone famous? I couldn't find him on google :mello:
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He's not famous, but he is known for some of us because he's been actively supportive of Wade and his allegations about a year ago on various Internet comment sections - most notably he commented on Radar Online. His name is Jonathan Keller. This was a comment he made on a Radar Online article in July, 2013:

"The media doesn't have all the facts. So I understand your misgivings. I
may be talking to deaf ears but I will continue to persist:

My
mum (the sister in this story) wrote a word document back in 1996 after
committing Uncle Denny to hospital when he was experiencing a bad
depression episode. For a long time the family suspected that Wade might
have been abused, and she wrote about the peculiar events surrounding
Wade's interactions with Michael. I shared this document with Wade after
he let us know that Michael did in fact abuse him. It is possible that
he has submitted this to the court as new evidence.

Although not
the soul reason for his suicide, but a contributing factor of his death
was the fact that he had been abused as a child and anxiety that he had
helped to put his son through the same situation."

"I did not understand why Wade didn't just come out with it and not seek
any compensation. But I totally agree that this is how the law works,
and how wrongdoing is recognized.

After talking with Wade, I can
now see that there is some sort of need to receive recompense when you
are a victim and asking for compensation is part of his healing. He also cannot work in his profession anymore because it is so psychologically linked to Michael for him. What most people don't understand is that the same indoctrination about the abuse Wade received was the same indoctrination to be successful and well known in the entertainment industry, "Be the best, or be nothing".

There
is also many people who knew what Michael was doing, and potentially
facilitated it because he was making them money, who are still alive,
and still profiting from Michael's estate. People for example who
organised for Wade to come from Australia to America, and other children
like Wade.

I don't have anger for Michael, he had a very
troubled life (although it doesn't excuse what he did). But there was
people around Michael who at the very least turned a blind eye, and
those are the people that make me very upset
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He also actively engaged with the Wade Robson Allys support group. This is a comment he made on the Wade Robson support group's Facebook page on June 27, 2013:

I know what you mean Caroline, his FB page was pretty hard for me to read. I hope to think that he hasn't seen it, its probably the worst comments I've seen around the web. He did mention watching Alfonso Ribeiro's comments on his allegations (said that is the same joke he used to make), but I am hoping he only really keeps an eye on TMZ. I have been meaning to build up the courage to ask him what he has looked at.In any case, he recently emailed photo's of his new life in Maui, it looks like he is doing well.
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He was also the administrator of Wade's old website back when it still existed. The website does not exist any more but some portions of it could be found with Wayback Machine and there is this interesting exchange in the forum between Jonathan and a fan of Wade's from 2004 which kind of sheds light on Wade's personality (he's called "John" by the fan but he is Jon):

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have yet to see anything in the NE about this case so far.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think this will all end soon.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why wouldn't he be angry at someone he thought raped his cousin? That doesn't make any sense. The "did in fact abuse Wade" sentence doesn't work either. It's a claim, a fact is something you can prove.
 
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MJresearcher said:
Why wouldn't he be angry at someone he thought raped his cousin? That doesn't make any sense. The "did in fact abuse Wade" sentence doesn't work either. It's a claim, a fact is something you can prove.
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I think what he means is that the family suspected all along that MJ *abused Wade, but could not do anything more until Wade admitted what really *happened.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Robson has to file the amended complaint by December 16.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Any news on the death? We know Wade's dad killed himself. Chandler's Dad killed himself. This case is getting like a soap opera.
 
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It sure is. I have been watch to see if TMZ will report about this case so far nothing and i really do not think we are going to see anything from Harvey and the reasons why i say this is 1 Michael is not here 2 Wade defend Michael in 2005 so for Wade to come out now and say that he was sexual abuse by Michael for 7 years is a lie imo. Nobody is going to believe that this was lock in Wade memory until he went to the doctor and it was discovery that he was abuse by Michael.

It all about the money the Estate is making money now so Wade see a chance to get a piece of the pie by coming out with this crazy story. If the family believe that Wade was been abuse by Michael why did their not tell Wade mother it just does not add up Petrarose i like what you said it like a soap opera it like you are waiting to see what happen next.
 
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ivy said:
Robson has to file the amended complaint by December 16.
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There is also a hearing scheduled for tomorrow re. demurrer in Safechuck case. That's still on, I guess?
 
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Now the amended complaint is this where Wade and his lawyers have to prove that the companies were negligence that somebody should have know or was aware that this was happening to Wade is that right?

If that is the case so far i have not seen any prove that the companies were negligence because accord to Wade own words only him and Michael knew and that would mostly likely clear the companies and MJ because you can't sue a dead man. and if this is true where does that leave their case?
 
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respect77 said:
There is also a hearing scheduled for tomorrow re. demurrer in Safechuck case. That's still on, I guess?
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So his case is just creditor right?
 
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