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Much ado about nothing, really.
Much ado about nothing, really.
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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe
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Yes, they basically said Gavin and Jordan may or may not testify which is saying nothing.
But I still find it interesting that they (RO and NE) became so active about Robson articles recently. This article of talking about the prospect of Gavin and Jordan potentially testifying also comes while we know in court it's been pushed by Robson's side to be able to introduce former allegations and on October 1 Marzano argued that this was important to their case. It seems to me like a red herring by them because I can't see how it's relevant to their statute of limitations issues and the Judge basically said the same. That's why I suspect that it's an attempt at scare tactic basically sending out the message to the Estate: "If this is going on and we do not settle then we will make it a full blown case, all over 1993 again, all over 2005 again, we will drag in all the other accusers if you do not settle etc." But if they really pin their hopes on a case where the accuser has not been found credible by a jury at a trial that is very telling about their own case.
And I have seen a couple of times now in the media being claimed that MJ was aquitted in 2005 because of Robson's testimony. That is nonsense. There are several interviews out there where the jury talk about their reasons of the aquittal and I don't remember any of them naming Robson's testimony as a reason. What Robson testified about was a side issue at the trial. The main issue was the Arvizos' case and the jury focused on that. During deliberation the jury asked to see Gavin's taped police interview again. Robson could have done nothing for MJ's aquittal if the jury had found the Arvizos and their story credible.
As for the news story if you paid attention they reported that neither Gavin nor Jordan made up their minds. So they reported they may or may not testify. In other words the last article was about nothing. Quite silly isn't it?
Yes, they basically said Gavin and Jordan may or may not testify which is saying nothing.
But I still find it interesting that they (RO and NE) became so active about Robson articles recently. This article of talking about the prospect of Gavin and Jordan potentially testifying also comes while we know in court it's been pushed by Robson's side to be able to introduce former allegations and on October 1 Marzano argued that this was important to their case. It seems to me like a red herring by them because I can't see how it's relevant to their statute of limitations issues and the Judge basically said the same. That's why I suspect that it's an attempt at scare tactic basically sending out the message to the Estate: "If this is going on and we do not settle then we will make it a full blown case, all over 1993 again, all over 2005 again, we will drag in all the other accusers if you do not settle etc." But if they really pin their hopes on a case where the accuser has not been found credible by a jury at a trial that is very telling about their own case.
And I have seen a couple of times now in the media being claimed that MJ was aquitted in 2005 because of Robson's testimony. That is nonsense. There are several interviews out there where the jury talk about their reasons of the aquittal and I don't remember any of them naming Robson's testimony as a reason. What Robson testified about was a side issue at the trial. The main issue was the Arvizos' case and the jury focused on that. During deliberation the jury asked to see Gavin's taped police interview again. Robson could have done nothing for MJ's aquittal if the jury had found the Arvizos and their story credible.
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The media is only saying that to try and make MJ look guilty
I have noticed this as well- that it was Wade's testimony that got Michael acquitted. No. I mean, that doesn't look good for Wade because it tells people that he testified in Michael's defense, and now he's turned his back. But it's not true that his testimony is the reason Michael won.
The media is only saying that to try and make MJ look guilty
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I was at work Wed and i didn't see anything about this case in the NE and anything about Michael their put on the cover so is it this week edition or next week?
I was at work Wed and i didn't see anything about this case in the NE and anything about Michael their put on the cover so is it this week edition or next week?
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I do remember the publicity when Macauley testified and Bashir too.
I just figured I had missed something.
oh. That makes more sense now. I've read that more than once and I didn't remember Wade making any kind of headlines or impact on the trial.The media is only saying that to try and make MJ look guilty
I do remember the publicity when Macauley testified and Bashir too.
I just figured I had missed something.
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I really can't see gavin wanting to get involved, there's nothing in it for him as he can't sue. Love the fact that jordan is getting dragged by the media into proceedings- would hate for him to think that he's got clean away with $15m. Wonder why noone wants to call out jordan for not wanting to help his fellow 'survivors'. I guess the crazy mj fandom will get the blame.
I got the impression that weitzman is a source for harvey at tmz, he certainly gives exclusive statements to them so i just assumed that tmz's relative reticence on this case is due to their contacts with the estate. These type of websites just seem to be shillings to whoever is feeding them info.They have but gave up on Tmz. I guess Harvey was asking too many questions
My view unfortunately is that they're just waiting til something happens. I have absolutely no doubt that in the worst, and really unlikely, case scenario of a trial, the media will be all over it. The daily mail has already sent someone out to interview safechuck after he filed his lawsuit, it's just that safechuck doesn't want to talk at the moment.Not anymore-I haven't seen ANYTHING on any reputable news organization except for good stuff about Michael. Either they wised up because they realize the public really loves him after all, or they're waiting til something really happens.
Oh really? I've not seen that, i take it that this reason has only appeared since wade did his 180% turn. It always annoyed me that the reason that seems most popular for mj's acquittal was the testimony of batshit crazy janet, whereas the whole narrative of the arvizo's story is such nonsense.And I have seen a couple of times now in the media being claimed that MJ was aquitted in 2005 because of Robson's testimony. That is nonsense. There are several interviews out there where the jury talk about their reasons of the aquittal and I don't remember any of them naming Robson's testimony as a reason. What Robson testified about was a side issue at the trial. The main issue was the Arvizos' case and the jury focused on that. During deliberation the jury asked to see Gavin's taped police interview again. Robson could have done nothing for MJ's aquittal if the jury had found the Arvizos and their story credible.
I really can't see gavin wanting to get involved, there's nothing in it for him as he can't sue. Love the fact that jordan is getting dragged by the media into proceedings- would hate for him to think that he's got clean away with $15m. Wonder why noone wants to call out jordan for not wanting to help his fellow 'survivors'. I guess the crazy mj fandom will get the blame.
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Yes. To be fair it's not necessarily only in articles which are anti-MJ. For example it was in that recent article about Wade's "setback" in court ( http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...tate/page576?p=4056117&viewfull=1#post4056117 ). It said:
The article generally wasn't anti-MJ, but this sentence rubbed me in the wrong way. I don't know if the idea that Robson was a "key reason" for MJ's aquittal comes from T-Mez's interviews where he talks about what a strong witness Robson was for him etc. Maybe some journalists got the wrong idea from this and interpreted it as him being the key reason for MJ's aquittal. But that's not what Mez said and of course to interpret it that way would be BS for anyone who knows what went on at that trial. Robson could not have done anything for MJ's aquittal if the jury had found the Arvizos and their story credible. Robson was not the reason for MJ's aquittal. The reason for MJ's aquittal was all the problems with the Arvizos and their so called case.
However Wade could promise him a share of his money if he helped him to win. Who knows?
Oh really? I've not seen that, i take it that this reason has only appeared since wade did his 180% turn. It always annoyed me that the reason that seems most popular for mj's acquittal was the testimony of batshit crazy janet, whereas the whole narrative of the arvizo's story is such nonsense.
Yes. To be fair it's not necessarily only in articles which are anti-MJ. For example it was in that recent article about Wade's "setback" in court ( http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...tate/page576?p=4056117&viewfull=1#post4056117 ). It said:
Robson was a key reason for Jackson's acquittal.
The article generally wasn't anti-MJ, but this sentence rubbed me in the wrong way. I don't know if the idea that Robson was a "key reason" for MJ's aquittal comes from T-Mez's interviews where he talks about what a strong witness Robson was for him etc. Maybe some journalists got the wrong idea from this and interpreted it as him being the key reason for MJ's aquittal. But that's not what Mez said and of course to interpret it that way would be BS for anyone who knows what went on at that trial. Robson could not have done anything for MJ's aquittal if the jury had found the Arvizos and their story credible. Robson was not the reason for MJ's aquittal. The reason for MJ's aquittal was all the problems with the Arvizos and their so called case.
I really can't see gavin wanting to get involved, there's nothing in it for him as he can't sue.
However Wade could promise him a share of his money if he helped him to win. Who knows?
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I have no doubt that Wade is offering everybody and their dog money if they will help him.
And yes. The mainstream media will be all over this IF something really happens.
In the old days it was reported 24/7 even when it was all speculation and garbage rumors.
I have no doubt that Wade is offering everybody and their dog money if they will help him.
And yes. The mainstream media will be all over this IF something really happens.
In the old days it was reported 24/7 even when it was all speculation and garbage rumors.
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Personally I don't see Jordan ever getting involved with this. The only motivation for Gavin if he sees this some sort of vindication of his claims but I think he has moved on as well.
As for Robson and MJ's acquittal. I wouldn't say he's the reason for it but he is one of the many factors. Sneddon claimed other victims and Robson, Maculay and Barnes debunked it. So they played a role but it's just one of the factors.
Personally I don't see Jordan ever getting involved with this. The only motivation for Gavin if he sees this some sort of vindication of his claims but I think he has moved on as well.
As for Robson and MJ's acquittal. I wouldn't say he's the reason for it but he is one of the many factors. Sneddon claimed other victims and Robson, Maculay and Barnes debunked it. So they played a role but it's just one of the factors.
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I think that line only works to make Michael seem guilty if he had stuck to the repressed memory story.Hmm. Never thought of it that way.
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"Vindication"? For lies that he knows are lies? Plus the all problems with his case that were there in 2005 would still be there now and it would all be rehashed again and more (since now even people like Cascio and Amen could testify against him).
I can only see two reasons for him to testify: 1) some kind of monetary reason (Wade promising him money for helping him win), 2) his new "friends" (Zonen, Dimond etc.) talkig him into it.
Personally I don't see Jordan ever getting involved with this. The only motivation for Gavin if he sees this some sort of vindication of his claims but I think he has moved on as well.
"Vindication"? For lies that he knows are lies? Plus the all problems with his case that were there in 2005 would still be there now and it would all be rehashed again and more (since now even people like Cascio and Amen could testify against him).
I can only see two reasons for him to testify: 1) some kind of monetary reason (Wade promising him money for helping him win), 2) his new "friends" (Zonen, Dimond etc.) talkig him into it.
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well yeah. He made a claim and he was laughed out of courtroom. If Robson becomes successful in his claim, it could be "see I told you so" moment. We know it's all lies, not only Arvizo's but Robson and so on. But liars can use other liars to add credibility to their stories. and I'm talking about in public opinion.
"Vindication"? For lies that he knows are lies?
well yeah. He made a claim and he was laughed out of courtroom. If Robson becomes successful in his claim, it could be "see I told you so" moment. We know it's all lies, not only Arvizo's but Robson and so on. But liars can use other liars to add credibility to their stories. and I'm talking about in public opinion.
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I think he won't do it unless there's a gain for him in it.
I think he won't do it unless there's a gain for him in it.
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I know that, but I'm sure there are "creative" ways to make such a deal legal. They do not have to say that this is for testifying. They can say: "Oh we became such good friends during this trial so now we are doing business with each other." There are a million ways to do such a thing without it being illegal or without openly saying it's for testifying. In a way the prosecution from 2005 did that IMO. With Zonen and Palanker being around the Arvizos I think probably there were some money transfers going on. We know for a fact that before the trial Palanker gave the Arvizos money, I can't see why that would not have continued (now together with Zonen) after the trial. Of course, officially it would be sold as "charity" to help out a poor family. Also Gavin and Star going to military school then Gavin to law school - somehow I think all that has a lot to do with "help" from Zonen and Co. Of course, they would have an interest in keeping the Arvizos happy and keeping them shut about all the crap they together pulled during the trial.
Legally Robson cannot say / do "testify for me and I'll give you money". That would be quite illegal.
I know that, but I'm sure there are "creative" ways to make such a deal legal. They do not have to say that this is for testifying. They can say: "Oh we became such good friends during this trial so now we are doing business with each other." There are a million ways to do such a thing without it being illegal or without openly saying it's for testifying. In a way the prosecution from 2005 did that IMO. With Zonen and Palanker being around the Arvizos I think probably there were some money transfers going on. We know for a fact that before the trial Palanker gave the Arvizos money, I can't see why that would not have continued (now together with Zonen) after the trial. Of course, officially it would be sold as "charity" to help out a poor family. Also Gavin and Star going to military school then Gavin to law school - somehow I think all that has a lot to do with "help" from Zonen and Co. Of course, they would have an interest in keeping the Arvizos happy and keeping them shut about all the crap they together pulled during the trial.
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Right, that's why I think he won't do it. And if he does there's one explanation to it.
Legally Robson cannot say / do "testify for me and I'll give you money". That would be quite illegal.
Right, that's why I think he won't do it. And if he does there's one explanation to it.
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And how did the Arvizos go from being grifters to military school college etc????
I don't see how anything illegal would stop them. Perjury is illegal too.Legally Robson cannot say / do "testify for me and I'll give you money". That would be quite illegal.
And how did the Arvizos go from being grifters to military school college etc????
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Lol, yes, that would be interesting. When I first heard about that story I couldn't believe they really claimed that, it's one of the most ridiculous sounding things I've ever heard and I couldn't help but laugh.
I they get really desperate they could always have Janet testify again. She could go into more detail on that hot air balloon kidnapping threat.
Lol, yes, that would be interesting. When I first heard about that story I couldn't believe they really claimed that, it's one of the most ridiculous sounding things I've ever heard and I couldn't help but laugh.
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IMO Wade has already blew his case trying to get Gavin and Jorge to speak on his behalf will not work. Nobody want to hear about 1993 or 2005 it is in the pass. It is very clear now Wade does not have a case he has yet to prove that this happen between him and Michael Wade own words only him and Michael knew about this alleged abuse if Wade is using this to force the Estate to settled their are wasting their time.
I really believe this judge is going to see that Wade really does not have a case he was told to go back and redo his case and Wade has yet to do that and like this thing with Jorge and Gavin just like the judge said he does not see that bringing in old allegations will help his case.
IMO Wade has already blew his case trying to get Gavin and Jorge to speak on his behalf will not work. Nobody want to hear about 1993 or 2005 it is in the pass. It is very clear now Wade does not have a case he has yet to prove that this happen between him and Michael Wade own words only him and Michael knew about this alleged abuse if Wade is using this to force the Estate to settled their are wasting their time.
I really believe this judge is going to see that Wade really does not have a case he was told to go back and redo his case and Wade has yet to do that and like this thing with Jorge and Gavin just like the judge said he does not see that bringing in old allegations will help his case.
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Why was the case even brought to begin with...That's the real question.
Why was the case even brought to begin with...That's the real question.
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Has Wade seen the tape that that Gavin family did praise Michael did not look like a family that was held against their will and in the Jorge case there was a settlement but Michael did nothing wrong. Wade is as good as ended his own case. He needing to prove what Michael had did to him and he has yet to prove it so going and knock yourselves out Wade because in the end you will have nothing.
Has Wade seen the tape that that Gavin family did praise Michael did not look like a family that was held against their will and in the Jorge case there was a settlement but Michael did nothing wrong. Wade is as good as ended his own case. He needing to prove what Michael had did to him and he has yet to prove it so going and knock yourselves out Wade because in the end you will have nothing.
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You got the Wades out there who believe their need to get a piece of the pie by makes up lies and claim something happen and it did not..
Why was the case even brought to begin with...That's the real question.
You got the Wades out there who believe their need to get a piece of the pie by makes up lies and claim something happen and it did not..
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So what is he supposed to do ? He needs money and a lot of it. That's why.
because Wade was finally directing a movie. (Step up 3) and supposedly had a nervous breakdown and couldn't do it. Then he was fired as choreographer for Demi Levatos tour for supposedly doing drugs. SYTYCD replaced him as a judge. And cirque decided not to use him for either Michael show which he had counted on. Sounds like no one wants him anymore.Why was the case even brought to begin with...That's the real question.
So what is he supposed to do ? He needs money and a lot of it. That's why.
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Me too. And then everytime Mesereau mentions her body wax that she had she steps in with No it was a leg wax in spite of the receipts he had. After awhile I got exhausted by her testimony.
As far as the media not jumping all over the WR case, I'm not too trusting of that. After all next year is the 10th anniversary of the trial so who knows. I simply don't trust any of them.
Lol, yes, that would be interesting. When I first heard about that story I couldn't believe they really claimed that, it's one of the most ridiculous sounding things I've ever heard and I couldn't help but laugh.
Me too. And then everytime Mesereau mentions her body wax that she had she steps in with No it was a leg wax in spite of the receipts he had. After awhile I got exhausted by her testimony.
As far as the media not jumping all over the WR case, I'm not too trusting of that. After all next year is the 10th anniversary of the trial so who knows. I simply don't trust any of them.
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Just a reminder that it is not necessary true.
We heard that Wade contacting on Jordie and Gavin from RO and NE, so I take it with sack of salt.
IMO Wade has already blew his case trying to get Gavin and Jorge to speak on his behalf will not work. Nobody want to hear about 1993 or 2005 it is in the pass. It is very clear now Wade does not have a case he has yet to prove that this happen between him and Michael Wade own words only him and Michael knew about this alleged abuse if Wade is using this to force the Estate to settled their are wasting their time.
Just a reminder that it is not necessary true.
We heard that Wade contacting on Jordie and Gavin from RO and NE, so I take it with sack of salt.
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and it's pretty premature. We don't even know that the case will be allowed to go on. Plus I'm sure Estate would argue against "prior acts".
We heard that Wade contacting on Jordie and Gavin from RO and NE, so I take it with sack of salt.
and it's pretty premature. We don't even know that the case will be allowed to go on. Plus I'm sure Estate would argue against "prior acts".
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I think a whole saltmine. I'm sure it's wishful thinking on behalf of the media and/or wade's lawyers. Wade has never publicly apologised to gavin for being the chief defence witness at the arvizo trial against mj or even addressed the issue of gavin. If there wd be one person in the world who would accept gavin's fanciful story and feel guilt that they had scuppered his chance at justice you'd think it would be a fellow survivor, but oddly enough wade or as far as we know his lawyers have not made any ref to gavin. How on earth would wade even begin to try explain to gavin privately why he denied everything in court - gavin's not going to fall for all this 'i was unwilling and unable' blah blah. I would love to know how wade is going to handle that court hearing about his testimony at the arvizo trial and his claims of how he managed at the same time to remain clueless about the wrongfulness of his relationship with mj.Just a reminder that it is not necessary true.
We heard that Wade contacting on Jordie and Gavin from RO and NE, so I take it with sack of salt.
In sullivan's book, tmez actually says that he seriously considered resting the case after the prosecution presented their case and not bother with a defence, due to mj's vulnerable emotional and physical state. He felt so confident that no jury could possible convict on such a mess, most of the prosecution witnesses were just godsends for the defence. But he decided to carry on as he didn't just want a hung jury but total vindication.respect said:The article generally wasn't anti-MJ, but this sentence rubbed me in the wrong way. I don't know if the idea that Robson was a "key reason" for MJ's aquittal comes from T-Mez's interviews where he talks about what a strong witness Robson was for him etc. Maybe some journalists got the wrong idea from this and interpreted it as him being the key reason for MJ's aquittal. But that's not what Mez said and of course to interpret it that way would be BS for anyone who knows what went on at that trial. Robson could not have done anything for MJ's aquittal if the jury had found the Arvizos and their story credible. Robson was not the reason for MJ's aquittal. The reason for MJ's aquittal was all the problems with the Arvizos and their so called case.
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You are right Ivy this is all premature we do not what this judge will do but like he told Wade and his lawyers he does not see the point in bring in old allegations that has nothing to do with his case. Wade still have not prove that this did happen all we have is Wade words and right now the judge has to take Wade words as true he job is not to decide if Wade is telling the true or not his job is to look through Wade case and then decide weather there is enough evidence for this case to move on.
You are right Ivy this is all premature we do not what this judge will do but like he told Wade and his lawyers he does not see the point in bring in old allegations that has nothing to do with his case. Wade still have not prove that this did happen all we have is Wade words and right now the judge has to take Wade words as true he job is not to decide if Wade is telling the true or not his job is to look through Wade case and then decide weather there is enough evidence for this case to move on.
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For the sake of Michael not being dragged through the mud yet again because of Wade, I would love for Gavin and Jordan to tell Wade to get lost. But I'm not sure that will happen given how Gavin's family lost in the 2005 trial. He could still be upset enough about that to support Wade just so he can say "See? I was telling the truth." to people who cared about Michael. But I hope he's moved on now. I don't want the 1993 case or the 2005 case to be brought up again.
How on earth would wade even begin to try explain to gavin privately why he denied everything in court - gavin's not going to fall for all this 'i was unwilling and unable' blah blah. I would love to know how wade is going to handle that court hearing about his testimony at the arvizo trial and his claims of how he managed at the same time to remain clueless about the wrongfulness of his relationship with mj.
For the sake of Michael not being dragged through the mud yet again because of Wade, I would love for Gavin and Jordan to tell Wade to get lost. But I'm not sure that will happen given how Gavin's family lost in the 2005 trial. He could still be upset enough about that to support Wade just so he can say "See? I was telling the truth." to people who cared about Michael. But I hope he's moved on now. I don't want the 1993 case or the 2005 case to be brought up again.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
I do not think Gavin is all that bothered about that. He was a liar too and he knew he was a liar, so I don't think his little soul is all that hurt about "not getting his justice" in court. He knows there would not have been any justice in MJ being convicted. If there will be any teaming up of Gavin and Wade that will all be for opportunistic reasons on both parts not because of hurt feelings IMO. Of course to the outside what they would communicate would be about how Gavin now would have a chance to finally get his justice, bla-bla-bla, but I don't buy it for second that he really believes he was not served justice in 2005. He was a liar and he knew he was a liar.
BTW, all these false accusers of course know about their own allegations that they are lies. But I wonder sometimes if, in order not to feel so bad about themselves and the fact they are such horrible people by making up these lies, they try to convince themselves that MJ molested the other accusers. So in their mind somehow that would make it OK for them to jump on the bandwagon and accuse him as well - after all "this was a horrible person". I wonder if that's part of the self-justification process in these people.
How on earth would wade even begin to try explain to gavin privately why he denied everything in court - gavin's not going to fall for all this 'i was unwilling and unable' blah blah.
I do not think Gavin is all that bothered about that. He was a liar too and he knew he was a liar, so I don't think his little soul is all that hurt about "not getting his justice" in court. He knows there would not have been any justice in MJ being convicted. If there will be any teaming up of Gavin and Wade that will all be for opportunistic reasons on both parts not because of hurt feelings IMO. Of course to the outside what they would communicate would be about how Gavin now would have a chance to finally get his justice, bla-bla-bla, but I don't buy it for second that he really believes he was not served justice in 2005. He was a liar and he knew he was a liar.
BTW, all these false accusers of course know about their own allegations that they are lies. But I wonder sometimes if, in order not to feel so bad about themselves and the fact they are such horrible people by making up these lies, they try to convince themselves that MJ molested the other accusers. So in their mind somehow that would make it OK for them to jump on the bandwagon and accuse him as well - after all "this was a horrible person". I wonder if that's part of the self-justification process in these people.
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