[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

of course it can. as far as we know he didn't make a decision in probate case and the civil case was sustained with leave to amend. he can still dismiss the amended case. (I wrote this before MAW was allowed to amend his case 3 times before it was dismissed).



His actions until now have been really 50-50 in my opinion. I feel he allowed discovery and so on because he doesn't want Robson have any grounds for any appeal. I also think not only the disputes between parties delaying this process but also the Judge is taking his time as he has said before at other MJ Estate related matters that he takes this stuff seriously - given the minor kids involved, the amount of money involved and the international interest in MJ related matters.

So judge has been really 50-50 and it's impossible to tell what he'll do based on his actions. However if you ask my opinion I think based on what we know Wade will not be able to show "known or should have known" for the corporate entities. The only exception would be if he can somehow find/show multiple settlements with boys predating him - which I don't think it exists. As for equitable estopel, I haven't seen anything yet to make me believe it would be successful. One thing that stood out to me was when judge asked if it was the first time being used in a probate case and Robson's lawyer said it was. I find it highly unlikely that the judge would set a precedent. So I'm personally thinking claims against MJ and MJ Estate will get dismissed. The only thing I can see that could survive the demurrer is the claims against MJ corporations - given that Judge have to accept Robson's claims on their face value. However I think even it survives demurrer, it would get dismissed at summary judgment.

Ivy i hope this case does not be like MAW. You bring out some good points in your post i feel that why the judge is given Wade and his lawyers a chance to prove their case i agree with 50-50 no judge want his decision to be appeal so he is given them what their want so Wade can't come back and say well i didn't get this or that to prove my case but up until now i have not really see anything that can support their case. The judge has told them to go back redo you case it look like negligence so far Wade and his lawyers have not be able to prove that either yet that somebody was aware that he was begin abuse and nothing was done. Wade own words only him and Michael about this so call abuse.


Equitable Estopped He want to use this law as to get around the statute of limitations

CCP 340.1

26 years of age and 3 year period after getting knowledge about abuse, resulting injury in case of companies which knew or had a reason to know.

Still have not prove this yet.


I know the judge has to take Wade claim as true but i have yet to see anything that prove that Wade was sexual abuse by Michael all we have is Wade word that this happen imo i do not believe. This is the same man who in 2005 defend Michael and said he was never abuse by Michael Jackson all of sudden he come out 20+years later and say he was abuse by Michael for 7 years do i believe him no that is imo because he has no job no money come in so he want to sue Michael and drag his name threw the mud again with these false allegations that he dream up.



equitable estopped i do not see the judge letting them use that to explain why Wade didn't file in the time frame. I agree with you on that this judge just may dismiss MJ and MJ Estate as for MJ corporations here again Wade and his lawyers have not been able to prove that the companies are negligence. It would be great if this judge would just dismiss this whole case on Dec 16 that would be justice for MJ.



Wade and his lawyers need to just pack it up Wade need to go home take care of his family get a job and move on stop waste the court time and money. Wade should have took care of this when Michael was alive why wait 5 years after MJ pass away to come out with this now everybody is going to see it all about the money. You can not say one thing and then turn around and say something else that is call a lie. Wade you said it never happen your own words.

 

[mjjmsc]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hope all this mess will end soon, it is just outrageous and there are so many lies and everything is done just for money!!!

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

One little note :

I realize this seems like going on forever however the hearings about demurrers/dismissals are just beginning to happen. I think all the discovery issues and the opposing motions took a lot of time and everything has been delayed.

I really hope we can see a dismiss on Dec 16 what a wonderful day that would be.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hope all this mess will end soon, it is just outrageous and there are so many lies and everything is done just for money!!!

I agree with you just like Michael said in his song Do anything for money and that is what Wade is trying to do.

 

[soulmum]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A dismissal would be a great Christmas present to all of us!

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

One little note :

I realize this seems like going on forever however the hearings about demurrers/dismissals are just beginning to happen. I think all the discovery issues and the opposing motions took a lot of time and everything has been delayed.

I really had to think about this because it just seemed impossible that it hasn't been going on forever.
But I think for me, and prob most people here, it's been going on for 21 years. 28 years if you count in the garbage tabloid lies before that.
And sometimes it feels like 128 years of a nightmare in hell.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That why it has took a toll on all of us the waiting time it feels so long we really do not know what is going on maybe on Dec 16 we might get a clear picture of everything that is going on.

 

[AliCat]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have a few stupid questions to ask and this is as good a place as any since most of you know all the intimate details of all the cases. It's not really to do with Wade.
I was reading another article about Sneddon and they referred to the raid on Neverland. But wasn't Neverland also raided in 93? I seem to remember they searched Hayvenhurst and the condo also. Am I wrong?
If I'm right I guess Michael decided to forgive on that one and stay there but then I thought maybe I'm mistaken.
And also I know he sued and won lawsuits against his employees and Victor G. Did any of them ever pay? I was thinking they probably didn't and if any of them give paid interviews couldn't the estate confiscate the money. Wouldn't they owe that judgement to his heirs?
Just wondering a few things out loud.

The reason Michael gave up on ever living at "Neverland" again was because of his lawyer's advice. Tom Mesereau advised Michael not to live there ever again because Tom Sneddon was after Michael. It just wasn't safe for Michael to live there anymore, not with a District Attorney he wanted to get Michael. It was too dangerous. It was why Michael put "Neverland" up for sale. Tom Barrack was worried about the stigma that "Neverland" held, caused by that District Attorney Tom Sneddon.

 

[metermaid]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I really had to think about this because it just seemed impossible that it hasn't been going on forever.
But I think for me, and prob most people here, it's been going on for 21 years. 28 years if you count in the garbage tabloid lies before that.
And sometimes it feels like 128 years of a nightmare in hell.

barbee - i feel this exactly. i was talking to a friend recently and we both realized that it's been 20 years of it now. i remember that video statement from neverland, the absolute hell and mess that followed. then 2003. now this. never imagined this would follow him past DEATH!? AND WADE OF ALL PEOPLE? i always think of what maroln said at the memorial "maybe now michael they will leave you alone" i really believed that would happen.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They won't leave him alone as long as there is money in his Estate.

 

[metermaid]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They won't leave him alone as long as there is money in his Estate.

unfortunate truth. just something about who is accusing this time that was particularly shocking and sad for me. i expected the scammers like b.howard, the billie jeans, the arnold kleins. but this type of accusation? i thought it was done. never saw this coming.

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

barbee - i feel this exactly. i was talking to a friend recently and we both realized that it's been 20 years of it now. i remember that video statement from neverland, the absolute hell and mess that followed. then 2003. now this. never imagined this would follow him past DEATH!? AND WADE OF ALL PEOPLE? i always think of what maroln said at the memorial "maybe now michael they will leave you alone" i really believed that would happen.

I said the exact same thing when Marlon spoke. To the tv screen. It was finally over.
But it's not.
And to have it come from Wade. Twist the knife in the heart just a little deeper.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They won't leave him alone as long as there is money in his Estate.

unfortunate truth. just something about who is accusing this time that was particularly shocking and sad for me. i expected the scammers like b.howard, the billie jeans, the arnold kleins. but this type of accusation? i thought it was done. never saw this coming.

In 2010 -2011 I was talking with a friend and saying the cases will wrap soon, estate will be out of probate and everything will be quiet, nothing to follow or report for me. Then very recently I was trying to do a short notes about the current ongoing cases and I realized it would never be over. As long as the Estate is making significant money, there will be some sort of controversy or a claim against them. Everybody wants a piece of pie and bring whatever claim they can make.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Reminds me of one of the accounting reports where the estate said they think they needed one more year--well I guess now that is no longer the case.

 

[wendijane]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Did it go wrong wade ?

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I was thinking the same thing Ivy The Estate was almost out of the probate court until this happen i can not believe Wade has done this has he forgot what Michael has done for him and his mother what a slap in the face

And it is sad to see this everybody knows that Wade is after the money after all this time he decide to come out and say Michael abuse just to have the ppls to feel sorry for him just unreal.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In 2010 -2011 I was talking with a friend and saying the cases will wrap soon, estate will be out of probate and everything will be quiet, nothing to follow or report for me. Then very recently I was trying to do a short notes about the current ongoing cases and I realized it would never be over. As long as the Estate is making significant money, there will be some sort of controversy or a claim against them. Everybody wants a piece of pie and bring whatever claim they can make.

And this is why it will never be over.

 

[AngelMJ136]

Michael Jackson Sex Abuse Accuser May Help Alleged Victim In Lawsuit
Posted on Nov 12, 2014 @ 4:08AM

The man who Michael Jackson allegedly molested as a child is seeing “how the cards are stacked” before he decides if he’ll cooperate with the sex abuse lawsuit pending against the Jackson estate, a source tells The National ENQUIRER.

Gavin Arvizo, was just 15 when he testified in a criminal trial that Jackson sexually abused him. A decade later, Wade Robson, who became the star witness for Jackson’s defense team when he said he never witnessed anything wrong at Neverland Ranch, now wants the Georgia paralegal to be his star witness.

A Santa Barbara County, California, jury found Jackson not guilty on all 10 counts in 2005, partly because of Robson’s testimony. But the choreographer-dancer recanted his testimony last year when he filed a civil suit against Jackson’s estate for damages he claims he suffered by being repeatedly raped and sodomized by the late pop icon over a seven-year period in the 1990s.

Robson, 32, is now pleading with Arvizo to testify on his behalf in a trial that could be held in Los Angeles next year.

“Gavin is a special person,” an Arvizo confidante told The ENQUIRER. “He may just cooperate with Wade if only to finally prove what Michael Jackson did to him.”

Arvizo has “forgiven” Robson for defending Jackson, the source added.

Jordan Chandler, whose family filed a sex abuse suit against Jackson two decades ago, is also undecided about a request from Robson’s lawyers to help in the new lawsuit, a friend said.

The Chandler suit ended with a confidential settlement that included a $20 million payout to the family in 1994.

Chandler had refused to help prosecutors in Arvizo’s 2005 trial.

Jackson estate lawyer Howard Weitzman insists there are no settlement talks under way and “there won’t be any settlement.”

For more on this story, pick up the latest issue of The National ENQUIRER, on stands now.

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RadarOnline posted this.. no need to go to their site. <_<

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Since this is the National Enquirer they are probably just making this up. But if it's true, I say this: Wade Robson must be in big trouble if he wants Gavin Arvizo to be his "star witness". Bring it on and let's see Gavin's lying ass exposed AGAIN on the stand, like he was in 2005. Let's go through again the crazy timeline, the crazy story, the contradicting, ever changing stories by the Arvizos! Let's see all that again!

And I doubt Jordan will testify for Robson. Remember how sure the media were that he would testify for Gavin in 2005? In reality he told prosecutors he would legally fight any attempt to make him testify as we know now from MJ's FBI files. But if he would then let's see him exposed on the stand too.

I wonder why all the Robson stories in the all suspect publications again, like RadarOnline which has been Robson's mouthpiece. It's like they are posting one every second day in the past one one and a half weeks. If they think the Estate will shit themselves because of the prospect of Gavin testifying and they think they can scare them into a settlement with that then they must know very little about how that case really went in court in 2005...

I also find it funny that instead of proving Wade's own case they want to bring in previous allegations. Robson's lawyer Marzano said at that October 1 hearing:

Robson's lawyer: they feel to establish equitable estoppel they need to bring the court's attention to "more than just what happened to Wade".

Why do they want to hide behind previous allegations instead of proving their own?

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Anyone else can see the humor in Wade calling Gavin?



“Gavin is a special person,”

Yeah... No kidding, not like I know many people (or anyone) who are willing to destroy the person who literally saved their lives.

 

[AngelMJ136]

It would be interesting if Gavin agrees to be in the case. Seeing that Diane Dimond was promoting Gavin's "well-settled" life and that he's "moved on". Gavin's testimony didn't make ANY difference in 2005 and don't think it would 9 years later. Not surprising that these tabloids have avoided reporting anything about the "setback" the Wade Robson's team suffered in the court regarding no questions on sexual acts. In that case, even if Gavin appears he has nothing significant to contribute.

LOL

The man who Michael Jackson allegedly molested as a child is seeing “how the cards are stacked” before he decides if he’ll cooperate with the sex abuse lawsuit

He is probably evaluating how much embarrassment he would have to deal with when they lose the case AGAIN.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wonder why all the Robson stories in the all suspect publications again, like RadarOnline which has been Robson's mouthpiece.

Simple answer Dylan Howard. He runs both Radar and NE and he is been on Wade'so side from start.

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well considering Radar Online and the National Enquirer are owned by the same company a story like this is not too surprising. Their backing each other up basically. These shadow sources are probably not real or they managed to get a vague quote and turned it into something else for the story. I highly doubt Chandler would be "undecided" about testifying for Robson since he's managed to avoid it for 20 years. And Robson "Pleading" with Gavin doesn't sound too promising either. Gavin takes the stand and all that past evidence against his family is gonna come out again and in comes Tom Meseearu and or Robert Sanger who easily could testify against him.

I think they know how 2005 went. Their not writing anything for accuracy just to be salacious. Same ploy the press used in '93 and again in '05.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They have but gave up on Tmz. I guess Harvey was asking too many questions

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Gavin takes the stand and all that past evidence against his family is gonna come out again and in comes Tom Meseearu and or Robert Sanger who easily could testify against him.

And more... In 2005, for example Frank Cascio and Vinnie Amen could not testify because of Sneddon's legal trickery but now they would be able to. So there would be even more evidence and testimony against the Arvizos than in 2005.

I think if it goes to court for MJ's side it may be better to go through these past allegations again in detail, because otherwise the jury might be in dark about them. Jury members certainly would have heard something about these past allegations and knowing all the misinformation that is out there about them in the media they might have misconceptions about them and have the "no smoke without fire" mindset. So a detailed presentation of those cases and an opportunity for MJ's side to show how bogus those allegations were as well could actually turn out to be more positive for the defense than for Robson.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They have but gave up on Tmz. I guess Harvey was asking too many questions

I know right. Interestingly these accusers always end up in alliance with the National Enquirer - the worst bottom feeder. NE were also a mouthpiece for the Chandlers in 1993 and then again in 1998 (when Evan sued MJ again).

 

[InvincibleMJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

As fas as I know Harvey is more like Roger Friedman, write crap on MJ 99% of the time but when it comes to child molestation charges he said he thought Michael wasn't guilty. That's what he said some years ago anyway. So the TMZ crap is mainly reporting what they think is "necessary" to keep up with the item but I think they won't do too much to help Wade. Unless Harvey has changed his mind? Not sure, I'm not following TMZ stories that much.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Actually I think that they duped Levin with repressed memories.

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I suspect the Radar stories weren't having the effect they wanted so the National Enquirer stepped in as back up.
Maybe Harvey's just waiting to see which way the wind blows as far as public opinion goes. They've been almost too quiet.

 

[Bubs]

Dylan Howard pulled this story out of his own arse:doh:

I start believing their stories when they start naming sources.
"Arvizo confidante"
"Jordan Chandler, whose family filed a sex abuse suit against Jackson two decades ago, is also undecided about a request from Robson’s lawyers to help in the new lawsuit, a friend said."


I just comment that the estate should stay quiet and not reply this garbage. It seems that Radar and NE are trying to make the estate to give a statement, so Wade can go to do his second round in rags and refute what estate has said, or his side can use estates statement against them in the court room.
They already used the estate's statements against them(1 of documents Ivy posted), in which they said to judge that the estate started commenting on media so Wade had to go on media to reply.