[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[wendijane]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

 

[#MJforever57]

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See this is why i said Wade does not have a case if his lawyers have to go back and try bring in these old case by the way did the judge say that these old allegations could not come in because it has nothing to do with Wade case he need to say what Michael did to him this has nothing to do with Jorge or Gavin. I do not see Gavin or Jorge help Wade i do not believe their want to go through this again.


I have been watch TMZ but i have not heard anything about this case from Harvey yet maybe he has change and is not reporting anything out of respect for Michael kids. I just can't understand why Wade would do this to Michael's kids their have been through enough already it sad to see ppls keep draging Michael name through the mug it all about the money.

 

[#MJforever57]

Dylan Howard pulled this story out of his own arse:doh:

I start believing their stories when they start naming sources.
"Arvizo confidante"
"Jordan Chandler, whose family filed a sex abuse suit against Jackson two decades ago, is also undecided about a request from Robson’s lawyers to help in the new lawsuit, a friend said."


I just comment that the estate should stay quiet and not reply this garbage. It seems that Radar and NE are trying to make the estate to give a statement, so Wade can go to do his second round in rags and refute what estate has said, or his side can use estates statement against them in the court room.
They already used the estate's statements against them(1 of documents Ivy posted), in which they said to judge that the estate started commenting on media so Wade had to go on media to reply.

I agree the Estate should just be quite and watch Wade fall on his face.

 

[#MJforever57]

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I would love to be a fly on the wall Dec 16 all of this messy i wonder what the judge will say.

 

[HIStory]

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by the way did the judge say that these old allegations could not come in because it has nothing to do with Wade case

He did not say they cannot come in (he can't forbid Robson to refer to past allegations in his lawsuit if he wants to) just that he does not see the point.

"I am not sure that having child A, B or C, in addition to those claims is more helpful to you because I am not weighing credibility under the statutes. Right? I am determining whether there is a disputed material fact. And that is why I don't think that the issue about discovery is necessarily as I sit here today determinative on the issue."

It's interesting that both in court and in their media mouthpieces they so desperately go on about these past allegations. It's like by going on about Gavin and Jordan they try to divert attention from the difficulties with their own case. And it also seems like scare tactic. "If this goes on I'll bring in Arvizo, Chandler." I don't think that will work though.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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Wouldn't it help him to call them in later, when there's a jury? I mean, that's the route Sneddon and his team took so I can see why he thinks he should do that too. Only it's kind of stupid of him to bring a witness (Gavin) that had a case just as weak as his. Jordy is never going to help Wade with this extortion case. He had so many chances to talk and he chose not to, I can't see why he'd take the stand this time.

I Think Gavin is probably isn't a big fan of Wade either, in a way that - he wasn't on his side in 2005 and it's possible the Arvizos are upset about it.

I think about it this way - they're all just a bunch of cons who try to outdo the one before them. They all wanted to get their share of $$$. Since Wade didn't help them to get theirs, they're not gonna help him get his. There's no gain for them in lying about Michael in other cases.

 

[HIStory]

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^ I think Wade might be able to convince Gavin by promising him a share of the money if he wins the case and that might be tempting for Gavin. But bringing in past allegations may turn out to be counter-productive for Robson. Like it turned out to be counter-productive for Sneddon.

As for Jordan, I'd be surprised if he wanted anything to do with any of this.

 

[la_cienega]

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The other supposed accuser's aren't needed yet, as there's no reason for them to testify yet as there's no case... this is just a scare tactic, in the favourite bastion of all accuser's, National Enquirer.

In 1996 Evan Chandler sold a story with his own lawyer speaking to the NE directly claiming Jordan would testify (in the second civil lawsuit). And again in 1997 with Ray Chandler. Didn't happen.

And if it's about claiming he was silenced for so many years... Jordan ****s that right up and will just dig a hole in his grave. The only supposed threat to Jordan, Jordan wasn't even sure if happened at all, and if it did, he was totally unconvinced and not afraid of it, let alone used it as a reason for repressing it all for 20 years. Then they could just ask him all the questions he's run away from all these years. It would not be what Jordan, rich and without a care in the world right now, would want to do with his time.

 

[passy001]

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Simple answer Dylan Howard. He runs both Radar and NE and he is been on Wade'so side from start.

Wonder how much Robson and his henchmen are paying these rags to spread such nonsense. Besides Gavin would be a horrible witness for Robson since he was completely discredited in the court of law. hence he never bothered launching a civil lawsuit on his own against MJ.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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^ I think Wade might be able to convince Gavin by promising him a share of the money if he wins the case and that might be tempting for Gavin. But bringing in past allegations may turn out to be counter-productive for Robson. Like it turned out to be counter-productive for Sneddon.

As for Jordan, I'd be surprised if he wanted anything to do with any of this.

Argh, you can throw the whole post to the garbage if Wade is going to be more illegal than he already is lol

 

[PoP]

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Robson calling Arvizo "special person" my @$$, more like a "retarded person". Meaning stupid person.

 

[metermaid]

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they really want to put this story up on a witness stand again?

"In a panic over negative publicity, Jackson conspires to kidnap a boy and force him to deny acts of molestation that in fact never happened, and then he gets over his panic just long enough to actually molest the child at the very moment when the whole world is watching..... Any sane prosecutor would drown himself before building a case around witnesses like these, but they were all Sneddon had"

REALLY? by all means, go for it. i am due for a laugh.

 

[PoP]

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It's all the same.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the only way Wade could get people to "support" his case is to pay them off. Then again, they're all screwed when Wade loses the case, or the case is thrown out. Nobody's getting anything.

Hohohehehehe. That can be arranged. That'll be a laugh if when he lost the case and whine and cries like a baby.

 

[PoP]

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This is just my opinion, but I don't see him winning it, really. If he does, that means some really under-handed, illegal trickery took place. Regardless of what the ruling is, I know in my heart Michael is innocent, and his accusers are, well... I was taught if I couldn't say anything nice then I shouldn't say anything at all. So I won't say anything.

Ah, he's not gonna win the case anyways and they'll have to accepts facts that Michael did absolutely nothing to these right winged b@$^@#%$.

 

[barbee0715]

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Well considering Radar Online and the National Enquirer are owned by the same company a story like this is not too surprising. Their backing each other up basically. These shadow sources are probably not real or they managed to get a vague quote and turned it into something else for the story. I highly doubt Chandler would be "undecided" about testifying for Robson since he's managed to avoid it for 20 years. And Robson "Pleading" with Gavin doesn't sound too promising either. Gavin takes the stand and all that past evidence against his family is gonna come out again and in comes Tom Meseearu and or Robert Sanger who easily could testify against him.

I think they know how 2005 went. Their not writing anything for accuracy just to be salacious. Same ploy the press used in '93 and again in '05.

I think you are 100% right that these "stories" are all part of their tactic to use the court of public opinion. What they don't seem to get through their heads is that since Michael's death (and I hate to say that) the tide has turned. Back in 93 and 2005, you could not turn on the 6:00 news on any network station, or pick up any newspaper that you didn't think you were reading the National Enquirer. All the news agencies were reporting this-all for ratings (money) It was relentless. All day and all night.
Not anymore-I haven't seen ANYTHING on any reputable news organization except for good stuff about Michael. Either they wised up because they realize the public really loves him after all, or they're waiting til something really happens.
But that's a good thing-and because of that the Estate doesn't have to worry at all about being backed in the corner.
Who reads RO or NE? Nobody, really. I only know about these articles because I'm on this forum.

 

[#MJforever57]

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He did not say they cannot come in (he can't forbid Robson to refer to past allegations in his lawsuit if he wants to) just that he does not see the point.



It's interesting that both in court and in their media mouthpieces they so desperately go on about these past allegations. It's like by going on about Gavin and Jordan they try to divert attention from the difficulties with their own case. And it also seems like scare tactic. "If this goes on I'll bring in Arvizo, Chandler." I don't think that will work though.

Respect77 that is exactly what their are doing because right now Wade case is going no where so yes their are tryinp to put the attention on Gavin or Jorge and trying to force the Estate hand but if i was the Estate i would just sit back and watch Wade fall.

 

[MJresearcher]

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If it's true that Gavin is considering getting in on this then I think it may show how much trouble Wade's case is really in. Tabloids and Wade's lawyers talk like this is a strong case but if that were true then why would the complaint have to be amended and why would they need discovery requests approved in an attempt to find evidence to prove their case, especially when they're not even at the discovery phase of the lawsuit yet anyway?

I suspect the same as others, trying to put more pressure on the estate with talk of others coming into it. I think they may try to take advantage of the public's mindset. Since all of the cases against the Catholic church, people are likely to see this the same way they see that and the more people that get involved the more it will convince the public that something happened even though they aren't aware of the details. Given how many inconsistencies, contradictions, lies and ridiculous claims have been made by each accuser I don't see it working out well for them unless a jury (if the case went that far) chose to ignore all the problems and make decisions based on emotion and flawed logic like the "no smoke without fire" fallacy. If the case gets that far I hope people will be smarter than that.

 

[#MJforever57]

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I think you are 100% right that these "stories" are all part of their tactic to use the court of public opinion. What they don't seem to get through their heads is that since Michael's death (and I hate to say that) the tide has turned. Back in 93 and 2005, you could not turn on the 6:00 news on any network station, or pick up any newspaper that you didn't think you were reading the National Enquirer. All the news agencies were reporting this-all for ratings (money) It was relentless. All day and all night.
Not anymore-I haven't seen ANYTHING on any reputable news organization except for good stuff about Michael. Either they wised up because they realize the public really loves him after all, or they're waiting til something really happens.
But that's a good thing-and because of that the Estate doesn't have to worry at all about being backed in the corner.
Who reads RO or NE? Nobody, really. I only know about these articles because I'm on this forum.

I believe the world is begin to see the real Michael Jackson and why he was love by so many ppls around the world he gave back and all he want was to make this world a safe place to live all for L.O.V.E.

 

[#MJforever57]

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If Wade and his lawyers have to go back and get cases from 1993 and 2005 to make the court be aware of what happen to him yes i would say that his case is in alot of trouble. The judge i feel is going to realize that Wade has no case like the judge said he does not see any point in bring in old allegations it has nothing to do with his case Wade case should be on what he claim Michael did to him.

 

[#MJforever57]

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As fas as I know Harvey is more like Roger Friedman, write crap on MJ 99% of the time but when it comes to child molestation charges he said he thought Michael wasn't guilty. That's what he said some years ago anyway. So the TMZ crap is mainly reporting what they think is "necessary" to keep up with the item but I think they won't do too much to help Wade. Unless Harvey has changed his mind? Not sure, I'm not following TMZ stories that much.

I think you just may be right in the bold i watch TMZ today i saw nothing about this case i really believe it is out of respect for Michael family. It like leave the pass in the pass and move on.

 

[metermaid]

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Hohohehehehe. That can be arranged. That'll be a laugh if when he lost the case and whine and cries like a baby.

when he loses, he will sue his repressed/false memory doctor for malpractice.

 

[#MJforever57]

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when he loses, he will sue his repressed/false memory doctor for malpractice.

Yes that is what he will have to do.

 

[ivy]

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As fas as I know Harvey is more like Roger Friedman, write crap on MJ 99% of the time but when it comes to child molestation charges he said he thought Michael wasn't guilty. That's what he said some years ago anyway. So the TMZ crap is mainly reporting what they think is "necessary" to keep up with the item but I think they won't do too much to help Wade. Unless Harvey has changed his mind? Not sure, I'm not following TMZ stories that much.

This is true about Harvey Levin of TMZ. He has reported both allegations back in the day. Apparently he was Mary Fisher's source that reported Evan Chandler dosed Jordie with Sodium amytal. Harvey also reported Arvizo's scam of asking money for help when all medical bills were covered by insurance. He made it very clear that he doesn't believe Arvizos (at least). So they are reporting just the main stuff and they have been kinda balanced. After Wade filed his complaint they did a piece about Wade's testimony from 2005. In a TMZ live segment Harvey read it line by line and he sounded like he didn't believe Robson can ever be successful given his previous testimony.

Radar and National Enquirer seems to be fixated about this topic. It's their 3rd story in 2 weeks.

 

[dannyboy72]

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Does Harvey levin write all the articles on TMZ? or do other people write them?

 

[SarahJ]

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[Petrarose]

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That article is a joke and had me laughing. I would like to see Garvin explain yet again what happened and go over all his inconsistencies. Even better, let's have TMez cross-examine him again so he could be made a fool of twice, and be exposed as a fraudster again. He must really like punishment. Chandler could enter as well because I missed him being drilled in 05 when he avoided being a witness. I have been waiting a long time for a good lawyer to have him under cross, but I guess both him and Garvin will stay away from the Wade case. So all I can do is laugh at the tabloids attempt to throw in the names of other crooks. Why they think the estate will be scared of crooks and quickly settle I have no idea.

 

[SarahJ]

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I they get really desperate they could always have Janet testify again. She could go into more detail on that hot air balloon kidnapping threat.

 

[dannyboy72]

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That trial took a major toll on him. I read somewhere that the whole ordeal changed him a lot, that he no longer trusted people, including children. The trial made him realize just how much of a target he was and so he decided that he was no longer going to hang around any more children. He became so paranoid to the point that when his kids had birthday parties, he wouldn't invite any children to attend. The only people that were there were his bodyguards, staff and nanny. This is just what i heard. Don't know if it's true or not.

 

[barbee0715]

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I don't know if that's true, but if it was I wouldn't blame him at all. I'd do the same thing.
Besides I know they kinda hung with that one family (malnik?) bc I've seen pix of them with the kids with no masks.
I think they put them out after Michael died.

TMZ doesn't usually lose an opportunity to still ridicule Michael when they can but Harvey has cast doubt on this story almost from the beginning. At first he kept calling Wade a famous choreographer who was wealthy and in demand but when the repressed memory story fell apart, he changed his tune a bit.
I only started watching TMZ when Michael died because I was trying to figure out how they seemed to know everything (even what was going on at the hospital ) hours before anyone else.
So I can't speak as to what they were like back in 2005.

 

[ivy]

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Does Harvey levin write all the articles on TMZ? or do other people write them?

Of course there are a lot of other writers but Levin runs TMZ. I think whomever running it and what they believe makes a difference. I mean look to Radar and Enquirer, Dylan Howard runs them and as we have seen they haven't really done balanced reporting.

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As for the news story if you paid attention they reported that neither Gavin nor Jordan made up their minds. So they reported they may or may not testify. In other words the last article was about nothing. Quite silly isn't it?