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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Damn, I have been trying all day to get probate notes for todays hearing but keep getting this error:
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That has never happened before since I started following all the court cases:-(
Can anyone else get probate notes?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Look like to me Safechuck has 3 strikes against him already none of these laws apply to him he is half way out the door so where does his case stand? because it look like the Estate has a strong case.
 
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Respect - Thank you for the informative summery, is there estimated time for an update on today's hearing?

Safechuck's case seems to be even weaker than Wade's, is it handled by the same people? (same attornies on both sides, judge?)
 
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InvincibleTal said:
Safechuck's case seems to be even weaker than Wade's, is it handled by the same people? (same attornies on both sides, judge?)
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Yes.

is there estimated time for an update on today's hearing?
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Well, the hearing starts at 8:30 local time which was 19 minutes ago, so it is going on as we speak presumably. There is no estimated time for an update. If there is some significant decision then I believe we may learn that from the media earlier than anything would show up in the court system. Otherwise it may take hours or it may take days until something shows up and we will learn something. It varies.

ETA: This is a hearing. It does not mean that the Judge will decide immediately. He may take his time and further days and weeks until he comes up with a decision. It may also happen that he does not decide about anything but instructs Safechuck to amend the complaint or asks for more information. Or Safechuck may ask for a delay due to the discovery etc. etc. There are a lot of things that can happen.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

InvincibleTal said:
Safechuck's case seems to be even weaker than Wade's, is it handled by the same people? (same attornies on both sides, judge?)
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You are right that why i said 3 strikes against him already.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but reading the sentence "He says this isn't about money, yet is suing for millions of dollars" made me wonder.. I think I remember no specific amount of money was mentioned in Robson's claim in the beginning, right? Has anything been said about it -by either Robson or Safechuck- since? Or will it be up to the judge to decide about that, if their cases make it to court?
 
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I'm trying to understand what's their lawyers are thinking, I mean besides fame and fortune... Wade's claims are already a long shot and they're struggling with this third party mj companies claim, and Safechuck doesn't even have that. It's like they're counting on a judge that shares their interest in fame and a very distractible jury. I don't know if that's been disccused before but is it possible Wade's lawyers went "victims" hunting and found James Safechuck?
 
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Lil said:
Sorry if this has been discussed before, but reading the sentence "He says this isn't about money, yet is suing for millions of dollars" made me wonder.. I think I remember no specific amount of money was mentioned in Robson's claim in the beginning, right? Has anything been said about it -by either Robson or Safechuck- since? Or will it be up to the judge to decide about that, if their cases make it to court?
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We have not seen Safechuck's complaint but since it is a creditor's claim that means he wants money.

As for Robson, the sum is not named in his lawsuit but they list circumstances based on which we can safely say he wants a lot of money. For example, he says if not for the abuse he would have gone on to become an international superstar. And because of the abuse he cannot become that now so he needs to be compensated for that financially. Or he needs to be compensated for all his lost job opportunitie in the past and future because he lost those job opportunities because of the alleged abuse. Eventually it's the court's job to come up with a sum at the end of a trial, so it does not mean much that he did not name a sum. He does say he wants compensation and also wants puntitive damages. From his listing of all his lost job opportunities and lost "international superstar" status etc., IMO it's safe to say he expects several millions of dollars.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

InvincibleTal said:
I don't know if that's been disccused before but is it possible Wade's lawyers went "victims" hunting and found James Safechuck?
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I was going to post the same thing earlier but then thought you guys think I'm crazy:D
Then again, its been done before (re Sneddon) so I think it could be possible that Wade's attorneys asked him if he knows anyone who could support his story or back him up, and Wade either contacted on Safechuck or already was friends with him, and they cooked up this messy soup. Safechuck case is so weak that I couldn't help thinking of that he was brought in to support Wade's attorney's claim that MJ had a pattern or opus moderandi (or what the hell they called it), so judge might allow at least Wades claim to go ahead.
 
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InvincibleTal said:
I don't know if that's been disccused before but is it possible Wade's lawyers went "victims" hunting and found James Safechuck?
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Yeah, it's possible IMO, but it's also possible that Safechuck saw Wade on TV and figured this may be his last chance in life to get rich so he jumped on the bandwagon. But it's also possible that Wade and his lawyers seeked him out and convinced him to join. Who knows?
 
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I just took that for granted. From the first story about Wade and "other victims" waiting in the wings. It's just part of the strategy to make Wades case stronger.
I had no doubt that they contacted people or people sought them out to get on the money train.
 
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Bubs said:
I was going to post the same thing earlier but then thought you guys think I'm crazy:D
Then again, its been done before (re Sneddon) so I think it could be possible that Wade's attorneys asked him if he knows anyone who could support his story or back him up, and Wade either contacted on Safechuck or already was friends with him, and they cooked up this messy soup. Safechuck case is so weak that I couldn't help thinking of that he was brought in to support Wade's attorney's claim that MJ had a pattern or opus moderandi (or what the hell they called it), so judge might allow at least Wades claim to go ahead.
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I was wondering about that too. Also notice how they filed Safechuck a couple of days before Xscape came out and they leaked the info to Diane Dimond who published an article about it on the eve of Xscape's release. IMO that was orchestrated that way. I wonder if they know Safechuck's case is weak but they are using him to boost Wade's case - 1) like you said by trying to show the judge that there are several accusers, 2) by using him for PR purposes and to put pressure on the Estate to try to make them settle.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well... the fact they have same lawyers you can't help but wonder, they're not the only money-blind lawyers out there. I kinda get the feeling Safechuck's case is almost too weak to stand on its own he had to be Wade's lawyers' strategy at some point... or still is.
 
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respect77 said:
We have not seen Safechuck's complaint but since it is a creditor's claim that means he wants money.

As for Robson, the sum is not named in his lawsuit but they list circumstances based on which we can safely say he wants a lot of money. For example, he says if not for the abuse he would have gone on to become an international superstar. And because of the abuse he cannot become that now so he needs to be compensated for that financially. Or he needs to be compensated for all his lost job opportunitie in the past and future because he lost those job opportunities because of the alleged abuse. Eventually it's the court's job to come up with a sum at the end of a trial, so it does not mean much that he did not name a sum. He does say he wants compensation and also wants puntitive damages. From his listing of all his lost job opportunities and lost "international superstar" status etc., IMO it's safe to say he expects several millions of dollars.
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Thanks Respect. He certainly is trying his very best to convince them he 'deserves' a LOT of $$ in compensation.. Sorry for these layman questions, but can the plaintiff also state a certain amount he thinks he should be awarded based on his claims? In other words, will we ever see them come up with numbers or is that highly unlikely since the court is eventually deciding on the specific amount anyway?

barbee0715 said:
I just took that for granted. From the first story about Wade and "other victims" waiting in the wings. It's just part of the strategy to make Wades case stronger.
I had no doubt that they contacted people or people sought them out to get on the money train.
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I've always had the idea Safechuck and Robson came up with this together, but since both having the same miraculous realization about their 'abuse' at the exact same time, almost 30 years after the fact would be a little strange, they had Safechuck come in later to make it seem more credible.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Lil said:
Thanks Respect. He certainly is trying his very best to convince them he 'deserves' a LOT of $$ in compensation.. Sorry for these layman questions, but can the plaintiff also state a certain amount he thinks he should be awarded based on his claims? In other words, will we ever see them come up with numbers or is that highly unlikely since the court is eventually deciding on the specific amount anyway?
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I'm a layperson too, but I think yes, they can come up with a sum later if they want to.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just a fyi - these hearings and estate related matters seem to be scheduled for all morning - between 8 and 12. So any news story come after 12 pm PST or 3 pm ET
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't see this case moving forward there is just not enough evidence imo Wade has yet to prove anything equitable stopped none of that apply to his he yet to prove that MJ companies are negligence he can't prove that somebody knew or was aware this was happening to him and as the judge said he see no point in bringing in old allegations that have nothing to do with his case. If Wade lawyers are trying to use Safechuck to show the judge there is a pattern they are wasting they time because Safechuck case is weak also. Hope this judge say enough is enough


This looks like a setup imo something is just not adding up here

Hope we can hear something soon on Safechuck case.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

huh nothing. I guess that either means no decision or no one attended the hearing
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Maybe they're still there?

By the way if anybody wants to know how easy it is to bring somebody powerful down with only allegations, look at Bill Cosby.
I spent all last weekend on Yahoo trying to explain the blasted difference to people and it's an absolute witch hunt going on.
None of these people went to the police!!! Not one!
It's getting worse by the minute.
 
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It's trial by media and they've decided he's guilty so that's it. I don't know alot about the back ground of the allegations against Cosby but from the bit I've seen it's eerily similar to how they tried and convicted Michael just on inference, gossip alone. And if they didn't have that well, lets just make it up then. It's so easy to bring someone down in the public eye and what do you do or say to fight against the onslaught if your innocent?
 
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Still no news?
 
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Nope not yet.
 
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SarahJ said:
It's trial by media and they've decided he's guilty so that's it. I don't know alot about the back ground of the allegations against Cosby but from the bit I've seen it's eerily similar to how they tried and convicted Michael just on inference, gossip alone. And if they didn't have that well, lets just make it up then. It's so easy to bring someone down in the public eye and what do you do or say to fight against the onslaught if your innocent?
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Exactly (Trial by media)

There is nothing you can do but say you are innocent and hope the ppls believe you already TVLand has stop runs the Cosby Show some of his shows has been cancels and this is because of what is being said not one shred of evidence that this has happen some of the allegations are 30 years old why are these ladies coming out with this now? I don't know what they have against Bill Cosby but the part that get me is the talk and the media is having a field day with it. Pppls are so quick to judge a person without even knowing the facts and because he is not saying anything ppls are saying it is true.

Here is a man who been in the show business for years and now you have this. Just like Michael somebody famous they always want to bring them down what a world we live in so quick to judge a person and that is sad.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

See this is what i mean TMZ is running this story it all over the news same thing of what Wade is trying to do but you don't hear anything about Michael why Bill Cosby is live and Michael is not here.


This is the hot story right now this shadow over Wade story RO and NE is mostly all over on this story this is Bill Cosby.
 
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People just don't want to believe that there are very greedy and immoral individuals out there who will lie about something as horrible as rape or sexual abuse for their own personal gain whether it be financial gain, revenge or just to get attention. It's not common but it does happen.
 
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barbee0715 said:
Maybe they're still there?

By the way if anybody wants to know how easy it is to bring somebody powerful down with only allegations, look at Bill Cosby.
I spent all last weekend on Yahoo trying to explain the blasted difference to people and it's an absolute witch hunt going on.
None of these people went to the police!!! Not one!
It's getting worse by the minute.
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Oh you are so right it is very easy to do that what i do not understand either is 17 ladies so far and not one like you said report it to the police and they reason why because he was a powerful man and they were afraid of him sound like the same thing what they did to Michael.


If these ladies plans was to come out with these false allegations now to ruin Bill Cosby life they have done that it sad to see another great legend go down on lies and that is all it took.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A pattern come on Wade he was trying to show the judge that with the old allegations he was trying to bring in and the judge said he did not see the point in bringing them in it has nothing to do with his case so i guess he going to try and use Safechuck. I am getting this feeling that Wade and Safechuck have set this up just like it was mention Safechuck case is so weak he does not have a leg to stand on but it look like Wade and his lawyers want to use him to help Wade case.
 
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I don't know much about the Cosby situation so I do not want to judge whether what his accusers are saying is true or not. Nor do I want to compare it to MJ's situation because I know a lot about the allegations against MJ and I know he is innocent, but I cannot make such a certain statement about Bill Cosby because I do not know that much about the allegations against him. But I do find this phenomenon scary that when someone is accused of a sexual crime most people automatically believe it simply based on the accusers' word. As opposed to the principle of "innocent until proven guilty" it seems in America it's rather "guilty as accused". That's a horrible lynch mob mentality. I have seen this on another forum where Cosby is discussed a lot these days and even people who just say "OK, let's wait with judgement until more facts come out" get bashed and accused of "victim blaming" etc. When actually that is the reasonable stance. Just because someone says something it doesn't mean it's a fact. Unfortunately in this world of massive media brainwash a lot of people have lost their ability to think reasonably.

The little I learned about the Cosby case is that actually there have been one woman who did report it to authorities years ago (IIIRC some time in the early 2000s), but they closed the investigation saying there was not enough evidence to press charges. It was after that that the woman filed a civil lawsuit and said in the lawsuit that she had 13 other alleged victims who would testify against Cosby. Cosby then settled that case out of court. Then two women came forward in the media during the mid 2000s saying they have been raped by Cosby. (I don't know if they were among the 13 alleged victims in the lawsuit or they are additional alleged victims). And now in these new round of allegations against him there are three women. (Again, I don't know if they were among the 13 or they are new accusers.)

I have seen the argument many times "so many people cannot lie" regarding this Cosby case but since I have already heard that about MJ's case as well - especially Diane Dimond loves to use this fallacy that the fact there are five accusers seals the deal in itself. Of course it does not as we all know here. You have to check out the allegations one by one to see whether there is merit to them or not. I have seen people being accused of child sexual abuse by dozens of kids yet at the end the allegations still turned out to be untrue - see the documentary Witch Hunt, where money wasn't even involved and still there were many accusers. And when money is involved then the motivation to lie becomes even bigger for false accusers. And of course, they can take inspiration from each other and that's how one allegation can become more even if they are all false. A number in itself does not mean a thing if we do not know what is behind it. The likes of Diane Dimond of course always carefully avoid discussing the actual facts behind this number and just rely on appeal to emotions type of arguments and other fallacious arguments like the above mentioned.

Cosby may or may not be guilty, I have not followed the allegations against him enough to make a judgement. But I wish people would be more patient in judging such situations and not jump to conclusions without knowing all the facts.
 
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ivy said:
huh nothing. I guess that either means no decision or no one attended the hearing
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This is not good. I can not even begin to say what happen here it could be anything maybe there will be news today.


The only thing that i see here in Billy Cosby cases and in Michael cases is the ppls have already jump to the conclusion that they are both guilty without even know the facts of the cases and that is sad to see the media has already may up in the ppls minds that they can only come to one conclusion guilty so they have already been judge.
 
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