[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

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I believe those fans like Deborah Kunesh are taking that entitlement they gave themselves too way off their heads. I agree with respect and Ivy about that petition not helping the cause and the egos. I think the Estate lawyers should consult Tom giving the fact he called the Robson family to the stand defending Michael and not because a bunch of fans are pressuring it to happen.
 
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I really appreciate what Mez did for MJ in 2005, but his behavior the last few years concerns me a bit, his involvement and defending of Sullivan's book, and I think he's becoming a little too involved in the fan community, he was never an attention seeker, but maybe the constant praising he's gotten from fans the last 10 years has gone to his head a bit. If this thing actually gets to trial, I would love for Mez to be lead counsel, but there is no need for it at this moment, and as some of you have pointed out this is certainly no way to go about it.
 
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I think the executors and the lawyers are professionals. They know if this gets to trial, they have to get the best lawyer to handle the case. Therefore, even if TMez has not been contacted so far, if the estate lawyers feel he is the best person to handle the case, he will be contacted. They are not going to act like school kids and say no we can't call TMez because he supported the petitions. Lawyers fight with each other in court and then meet later and socialize, so I am not worried.

Also, we have to consider that maybe Mez is not the best lawyer to handle the case. There could be someone else who is better able to handle it. Therefore, if there is a trial and another lawyer is chosen, I hope people will not say it is due to what Mez said about the estate lawyers or because he supported the petition.
 
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I do not find it extremely wise either that he openly attacks the Estate lawyers at this point. He should wait with that criticisim until a settlement happens IF it happens. On the other hand I have my reservations about the Estate lawyers as well and yes, I share some of Mez's opinion and concerns that they are chicken when it comes to defending MJ against these allegations. How many times was it some frustrating cop out answer that either Branca or Weitzman gave when asked about the allegations and not a real, strong defense? Mez would never do that. He always defends MJ with conviction. And that attitude is something I do not see in the Estate lawyers and as a result I can see where Mez is coming from with his worries. But I agree that it's probably not wise to publicly share those worries now.

Court cases are won inside of the court room, not in the media.
Sometimes I hope executors would splash out all the dirt they have on JS and WR and defend MJ more stronger ways, but then I come back to my senses and think that it is definitely not the best way the handle the case.
They should keep what they have under the wraps and unveil it when and where it really matters - court room. Once the case is either dismissed or won, then they can go on media and say what they have on those gold diggers.

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Wow!
I only now read that petition!!!!!
"We, Michael's fans demand that Mr. Branca employs Thomas Mesereau and Ms. Yu because they are professional Criminal Defense attorneys."

Strong start! "We fans demand" :bugeyed

"As the people who have a vested personal and financial interest in the Estate of Michael Jackson"
:bugeyed

"We strongly urge the Executors as a sign of good faith and a willingness to clear Michael Jackson of these charges and a desire to see a healthy Estate is handed to his children upon their majority, make any and all money and resources necessary available to Mr. Mesereau for the proper preparation to defend Michael Jackson and his Estate. We also ask that upon appointment Mr. Mesereau is given any assistance necessary by you the Estate Executors and Attorney, and all discovery evidence. "

Oh boy!!!!
If the estate hires other than TMezz, does it mean that these fans believe executors are not willing to clear Michael's name? Do I sense a hint of blackmailing there too as well as some orders to the executors?

I understand that fans means well and have only Michael's best interest in their hearts, but do we have a right to dictate how they run the estate and to who their should hire?

What is the point to start these petitions now? First executors try to get these cases dismissed, and if (for some reason) either of the cases goes on trial, would it be over a year when it really goes on trial (re-CM and AEG cases). Executors have plenty of time to find suitable lawyer to handle the case, or they may have already someone picked whether it is TMezz or someone else.

I definitely think that Ivy's suggestion that TMezz should have called to the estate was the best way the handle this. Telling fans not to listen what they say so is wrong and he doesn't do any favours to himself by saying so. TMezz feeding fire with fire is no good, and he should know better.
 
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You know what, TMezz also have a right not to say a thing. He is the only one that I have heard commenting opponent lawyers. I never heard Weitzman commenting Tohme lawyers skills, or any other case lawyers.
I have. Weitzman wasn't silent when mj was charged with with the arvizo allegations and facing trial, he was happy to criticise the advice and counsel that mj had at that time, as well as putting the blame for the 94 settlement squarely on mj. And this was on national tv, not in some little heard fan radio prog. And he wasn't exactly as 100% supportive of mj's innoncence the way tmez is.
 
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Well at the end who had the final say? Lets stop acting like Michael had no say in 93 it was a bad idea all around from the lawyers to Michael. And that is something we need to remember.
 
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I have. Weitzman wasn't silent when mj was charged with with the arvizo allegations and facing trial, he was happy to criticise the advice and counsel that mj had at that time, as well as putting the blame for the 94 settlement squarely on mj. And this was on national tv, not in some little heard fan radio prog. And he wasn't exactly as 100% supportive of mj's innoncence the way tmez is.

I was actually talking about that Weitzman hasn't commented other attorney's skills in the media that the estate has cases against, such as Tohme and others.

Do you have youtube or link where I can read what he said on national tv?

Regarding that bolded bit, I really didn't want to bring this up:
Diane: Why did you settle the case then?
Michael: The whole thing is a lie.
Diane: Why did you settle the case, and, and it looks to everyone as if you paid a huge amount of money...
Michael: That's...that's...most of that's folklore. I talked to my lawyers and I said, Can you guarantee me that justice will prevail? and they said, Michael we cannot guarantee you that a judge or a jury will do anything. And with that I was like catatonic. I was outraged...
Diane: How much money...
Michael: Totally outraged. So what I said...I have got to do something to get out from uinder this nightmare. All these lies and all these people coming forth to get paid and all these tabloid shows, just lies, lies, lies. So what I did - we got together again with my advisors and they advised me, it was hands down, a unanimous decision - resolve the case. This could be something that could go on for seven years.

There have been various explanations how, when or why Michael settled, but should we not trust what comes out of horses mouth? I don't know all the details but I assume that Weitzman was criticising MJ for taking his advisors advice and settled the case, and not continue with fight?
 
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I was talking about Safechuck. And I quoted the Estate's demurrer which references Safechuck's claim by page when they write that. Could they have twisted it? Perhaps. But IMO he probably did say that. But if you read that sentence from the Estate's demurrer the claim is not that he has pedophilic urges but that he had concerns that he might get such urges. There is a difference. Although both are a BS story.
Got you, respect. I understand what you're saying. It's just i read the estate's statement differently.

"Safechuck alleges that he became concerned about having pedophilic urges after his son was born and that he was prescribed Xanax during his wife's pregnancy in 2010. (See id. at p.17.)"

For me when i read it, it suggests safechuck is alleging he had concerns about the pedophilic urges he was having after the birth of his son, ie he's a pedophile. There's no 'he became concerned that he might get pedophilic urges', those urges are already there and he's concerned about them. That was just my take - I'm thinking it's just not written clearly. It wd be best if we saw safechuk's complaint, Either way it's desperate stuff that gradstein is resorting to.
 
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Regarding that bolded bit, I really didn't want to bring this up:
Diane: Why did you settle the case then?
Michael: The whole thing is a lie.
Diane: Why did you settle the case, and, and it looks to everyone as if you paid a huge amount of money...
Michael: That's...that's...most of that's folklore. I talked to my lawyers and I said, Can you guarantee me that justice will prevail? and they said, Michael we cannot guarantee you that a judge or a jury will do anything. And with that I was like catatonic. I was outraged...
Diane: How much money...
Michael: Totally outraged. So what I said...I have got to do something to get out from uinder this nightmare. All these lies and all these people coming forth to get paid and all these tabloid shows, just lies, lies, lies. So what I did - we got together again with my advisors and they advised me, it was hands down, a unanimous decision - resolve the case. This could be something that could go on for seven years.

There have been various explanations how, when or why Michael settled, but should we not trust what comes out of horses mouth? I don't know all the details but I assume that Weitzman was criticising MJ for taking his advisors advice and settled the case, and not continue with fight?

No, weitzman was criticising mj for not taking his advice and settling. He was one of the main lawyers at that time and so this is in total contrast to what mj said in that interview. He was trying to distance himself from the settlement decision. I don't see him as partic loyal to his clients, he criticised oj as well over some decision that on the face of it should clearly have been laid at his door as oj's lawyer.

O/t - I've sent you a pm, let me know if you don't get it, as i haven't a clue how to check if it's gone through or not.
 
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^^I have to go with Respect on that one about the pedophilic urges. I think the attorneys could have inserted "possibility of" having pedophilic urges..... However, as I read the whole thing it seems to say that he became afraid that he would have such urges and it seems the panic feelings made the doc prescribe xanax, that is if all this is true, and the cause of his problem was something else, which I suspect.

About the settlement, it seems to me it was a decision made by a number of people. Obviously the lawyers said to Michael the best thing is to settle and they gave some reasons. Maybe at certain points Michael did not want to settle; maybe at first he wanted to fight; maybe he saw this thing going on for years and felt he could not go through with the persecution, but finally, it must have reached a point when most said lets give him some money to go away. Mez stated they felt Michael would not be able to handle the trial or words to that effect. Michael maybe felt he could go on with his life, because he was losing sponsors and his image was becoming more tarnished as the days passed. I remember someone, maybe Weisner & he is not very trustworthy, said after the gavin allegation broke Michael took to his bed and then it was only after a week that he came out and said he would fight. So maybe with the first allegation there was some conflict in decisions to fight or just let it go. Of course they were all wrong. They thought this thing would go away and it never did, because the first settlement was a green light for more crooks.
 
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I was actually talking about that Weitzman hasn't commented other attorney's skills in the media that the estate has cases against, such as Tohme and others.

Do you have youtube or link where I can read what he said on national tv?

Regarding that bolded bit, I really didn't want to bring this up:
Diane: Why did you settle the case then?
Michael: The whole thing is a lie.
Diane: Why did you settle the case, and, and it looks to everyone as if you paid a huge amount of money...
Michael: That's...that's...most of that's folklore. I talked to my lawyers and I said, Can you guarantee me that justice will prevail? and they said, Michael we cannot guarantee you that a judge or a jury will do anything. And with that I was like catatonic. I was outraged...
Diane: How much money...
Michael: Totally outraged. So what I said...I have got to do something to get out from uinder this nightmare. All these lies and all these people coming forth to get paid and all these tabloid shows, just lies, lies, lies. So what I did - we got together again with my advisors and they advised me, it was hands down, a unanimous decision - resolve the case. This could be something that could go on for seven years.

There have been various explanations how, when or why Michael settled, but should we not trust what comes out of horses mouth? I don't know all the details but I assume that Weitzman was criticising MJ for taking his advisors advice and settled the case, and not continue with fight?



See this is what i don't understand Chandler son was not seen by a doctor the first time as i was reading in the book so the child abuse report was false not true so Michael's lawyer could have gotting him on a false report early in the stages of the so call abuse. Michael's lawyers let it go to far because the day Chandler was to return his son back to his ex June he took the boy to the doctor like his lawyer said now you have a third party report of a child abuse because the doctor he saw Jorge. So imo it got to far to where Michael had to settled no others choice it got out of hand. Imo it was a messy.

In The bold

Bubs that why i really believe Michael want to fight this and not settled it.
 
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^^I have to go with Respect on that one about the pedophilic urges. I think the attorneys could have inserted "possibility of" having pedophilic urges..... However, as I read the whole thing it seems to say that he became afraid that he would have such urges and it seems the panic feelings made the doc prescribe xanax, that is if all this is true, and the cause of his problem was something else, which I suspect.

About the settlement, it seems to me it was a decision made by a number of people. Obviously the lawyers said to Michael the best thing is to settle and they gave some reasons. Maybe at certain points Michael did not want to settle; maybe at first he wanted to fight; maybe he saw this thing going on for years and felt he could not go through with the persecution, but finally, it must have reached a point when most said lets give him some money to go away. Mez stated they felt Michael would not be able to handle the trial or words to that effect. Michael maybe felt he could go on with his life, because he was losing sponsors and his image was becoming more tarnished as the days passed. I remember someone, maybe Weisner & he is not very trustworthy, said after the gavin allegation broke Michael took to his bed and then it was only after a week that he came out and said he would fight. So maybe with the first allegation there was some conflict in decisions to fight or just let it go. Of course they were all wrong. They thought this thing would go away and it never did, because the first settlement was a green light for more crooks.




That why i said this was a messy everybody was telling Michael to settled move on he didn't have time to sit in a courtroom imo that was the wrong advice to give him this man was been accuse of something he did not do this came from a parent who said Michael abuse his child it was all lies. In the bold what make them think it was going to go away their just open door for another family to do the same thing.
 
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I really really wish the judge would just throw this out why waste the court time with these lies.
Any updated on this yet?
 
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Why would Safechuck worry about having pedophilic urges in the first place? This claim is just as bizarre as his marriage to MJ.
 
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Oh the marriage!!! I forgot about that one. Thanks for the laugh again.

What is Safechuck doing now in terms of employment? It seems Wade is doing his own thing in Hawaii. I guess if this business is not too successful, he will leak some sick made up stories because they think that will force the estate to give up.
 
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Oh the marriage!!! I forgot about that one. Thanks for the laugh again.

What is Safechuck doing now in terms of employment? It seems Wade is doing his own thing in Hawaii. I guess if this business is not too successful, he will leak some sick made up stories because they think that will force the estate to give up.

We have to praise ourselves for lots of crap stories, not matter whether judge allows or doesn't allow this goes to trial. I'm 100% certain that there are money problems behind, and one way or the other, these crooks are going to get it. There is going to be more made up stories sold to tabloids, in order these crooks to get the money they are so after.

Thats why I'm hoping the the estate have something heavy stuff on both of crooks, and they release it after case is over so that WR or JS would be shamed to show their faces in public again.
 
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Do the courts in the United States simply reject even the most absurd claim attempts? After what I know about the complaints against MJ and his Estate I know nothing is simply rejected. All this takes a long time. There was Billie Jean, who complained to be Michael's wife and Blankets mother. How long did it take until her case was dismissed? Even hearings were set. Michael Amir tried a creditor claim where long ago the deadlines had passed. It took two years until his lawsuit was dismissed.

It depends to the claim and person that brings it. and yes even the most absurd ones at least get a hearing or some sort of review. Some claims are easier to dismiss such as if they come from a person with mental health problems, person who had similar frivilious lawsuit histories, when claims are so absurd - such as MJ inserted a chip in their abdomen to record their thoughts. Finally most of the time those people don't even have lawyers. So hence the court would held a hearing (Beckloff didit for Billie Jean and claims of maternity / guardianship) or review the case and dismiss it. With scheduling a hearing or reviewing the case, it would still take a few months before even such frivolous lawsuits gets dismissed.

This case is different as it's a fact that Wade knew and interacted with Michael - so he's not a random person. The nature of the claims is he said - he said so as far as the judge concerned it's not obviously frivilious and he has a lawyer. given all this it wouldn't get dismissed right away and it would generate hearings, motions, objections and even extensions and modified complaints - all of which take time.

Demann and MAW are tow examples for this. Both of their cases took around 2 years. Demann amended his complaint 4 times and finally allowed to go forward and MAW amended his complaint 3 times before court dismissed the case.

so unfortunately it takes a long time but it's normal. Also I think in this instance discovery dispute is causing it to take longer. As far as I understand Wade wants to get some information for his equitable estoppel claim, but Estate is objecting the discovery. So the court first needs to solve the discovery issue before parties can prepare the demurrer responses.
 
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Ivy do we know what information Wade is looking for from the Estate in this discovery?


I am going out on a limb here imo i see both of these cases dismiss with in their time frame Wade nor James have any proof that this happen it their words against Michael who is no longer here anymore. I can't see a judge saying one case will be dismiss and one move on i just do not see it maybe i am wrong but that is imo.

Their both have the same claim that Michael abuse them but who know what a jury or a judge thinks now days I don't see the ppls believe Wade now either he was the star witness in Michael 2005 trial he took the stand and said Michael never abuse him and now 20-30 years you say this happen now if it happen why did Wade not come to Michael the same with James it is all about the $$$. Now i could be wrong but this is imo.
 
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It depends to the claim and person that brings it. and yes even the most absurd ones at least get a hearing or some sort of review. Some claims are easier to dismiss such as if they come from a person with mental health problems, person who had similar frivilious lawsuit histories, when claims are so absurd - such as MJ inserted a chip in their abdomen to record their thoughts. Finally most of the time those people don't even have lawyers. So hence the court would held a hearing (Beckloff didit for Billie Jean and claims of maternity / guardianship) or review the case and dismiss it. With scheduling a hearing or reviewing the case, it would still take a few months before even such frivolous lawsuits gets dismissed.

This case is different as it's a fact that Wade knew and interacted with Michael - so he's not a random person. The nature of the claims is he said - he said so as far as the judge concerned it's not obviously frivilious and he has a lawyer. given all this it wouldn't get dismissed right away and it would generate hearings, motions, objections and even extensions and modified complaints - all of which take time.

Demann and MAW are tow examples for this. Both of their cases took around 2 years. Demann amended his complaint 4 times and finally allowed to go forward and MAW amended his complaint 3 times before court dismissed the case.

so unfortunately it takes a long time but it's normal. Also I think in this instance discovery dispute is causing it to take longer. As far as I understand Wade wants to get some information for his equitable estoppel claim, but Estate is objecting the discovery. So the court first needs to solve the discovery issue before parties can prepare the demurrer responses.



See Ivy this is what get me it all basic on lies and it get a hearing or a review before it is dismiss

In the bold know this i have never heard of would a judge find that alittle odd?

I can't believe Wade found a lawyer to take on this he must of promise him alot of $$$.
 
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11/19/2014 at 08:30 am in department 51 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Hearing on Demurrer(AND PETITION OF JAMES SAFECHUCKFOR ORDER TO ALLOW FILING OF LATECLAIM AGAINST ESTATE)

Does that mean that we have to wait over 2 months before we have something to chew?
What was his reason for filing his claim late?
 
‘Insanely Jealous’ Michael Jackson Almost Drove Niece To Death After Ending Her Relationship With Wade Robson, Family Insider Says – ‘Michael Was The Puppet Master!’

“***** *****” allegedly has struck again.

An “insanely jealous” Michael Jackson once destroyed a hot-and-heavy romance between one of his nieces and Wade Robson, the man who has accused the “Thriller” singer of sexually molesting him when he was a child, The National ENQUIRER is reporting.

Family members of Jackson’s then-teenage niece say that her breakup with Robson was so traumatic that she nearly died. Los Angeles police even found the troubled teen babbling incoherently alongside a freeway, multiple Jackson family sources told The ENQUIRER.

The girl would eventually be hospitalized and even diagnosed with two mental disorders that the source claims were “Michael’s fault.”

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“Michael was the puppet master!” a close relative revealed. “He did this, not Wade, and [she] nearly died because of it.

“She will never be the same,” the in-law told the mag.

The “Smooth Criminal” crooner put a stop to the relationship when he became scared that dancer/choreographer Robson would tell his girlfriend about her megastar uncle’s perversions, according to the family insider.

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“Michael was insanely jealous because Wade was his property and knew all about the other molestations,” the source told The ENQUIRER.

Once the couple called it quits, the girl allegedly sought solace at the home of Katherine Jackson, Michael’s mother, the source revealed.

But Michael and Katherine weren’t the only members of the Jackson family to get involved in the doomed relationship. The family source also said that Michael’s sister, Janet, also lent a hand both emotionally and financially.

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“She could have been dead if Janet hadn’t helped her – and all because her sick Uncle Michael played with Wade’s head,” the source said.

Robson is suing Michael Jackson’s estate for molestation, claiming the King of Pop sexually abused him between the ages of 7 and 14.

Although she had a rough set of teenage years, the story ends happily for Michael’s niece. While she won’t discuss her relationship with Wade, both she and her mother have become advocates for mental health awareness.

“She’s doing great now,” the source told The ENQUIRER. “She’s not bitter. She’s moved on with her life.”
 
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Which one of Michael's neice has spoken about having mental illness? HMM we all know. And I will bet you anything Brown brokered the story and money was split. IMO
 
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National Enquirer crap reeks just as much as Stacey Brown. I don't see why one of Michael's niece got a mental illness over her uncle being a puppet master on Robson? That claim is just plain DUMB!
 
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After reading that article I need to brain bleach:scratch:

Who ever can come up with this kind of crap must by mentally sick person :bugeyed
 
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Every time I read an article like this my stomach just turns. I've never witnessed a character assassination as bad as this. How long before Michael gets blamed for 9/11 or the Gaza conflict? :smilerolleyes:

In my opinion, Rebbie is worse than LaToya for continuing to associate with this disgusting monster.
 
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That absolutely reeks of Stacy Brown.

I thought the exact same thing as soon as I saw the "Family Insider Says" part. I also suspected something like this was on it's way from SB a few days ago. SB usually starts talking to the Wade Robson supporters on Twitter just before he concocts another one of his bullsh*t stories.
 
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That absolutely reeks of Stacy Brown.

I agree

I don't see why one of Michael's niece got a mental illness over her uncle being a puppet master on Robson? That claim is just plain DUMB!

If people developed mental illness just because they are dumped, we will all have mental illnesses.
 
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