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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe
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HIStory
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
This is Brandi and Yashi with MJ ca. 1990. Wade is about Brandi's age. Yashi is 5 years older. So I'm not even sure if this "dating" was even that serious, unless it happened later - eg. when Wade was 17 and Yashi 22, or something like that. But then why didn't MJ interfere with all other girlfriends of Wade? Why not with his wife Amanda?
BTW, Wade also dated Brandi, who is more his age. Brandi commented on that Daily Mail claim on Twitter which said that Wade wants 1.6 billion and obviously has disdain for Wade's current actions.
This is Brandi and Yashi with MJ ca. 1990. Wade is about Brandi's age. Yashi is 5 years older. So I'm not even sure if this "dating" was even that serious, unless it happened later - eg. when Wade was 17 and Yashi 22, or something like that. But then why didn't MJ interfere with all other girlfriends of Wade? Why not with his wife Amanda?
BTW, Wade also dated Brandi, who is more his age. Brandi commented on that Daily Mail claim on Twitter which said that Wade wants 1.6 billion and obviously has disdain for Wade's current actions.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Sadly, If MJ would have named his siblings in the WILL we can be damn sure that they would defend him on any negative article ever made. But, that isn't the case so why should any of them care, right? Except for a hand few. It's no secret that some of his siblings had sold BS stories to tabs for money and/or to get MJs attention for something when he was living. Instead of being grateful he got their asses out of Gary....oh wait MJ wouldn't be nothing without the J5 right? Pfff...As if Berry Gordy would have signed them without MJ, HAHAHA Keep dreaming Jackson's (especially u Jermaine!)
Sadly, If MJ would have named his siblings in the WILL we can be damn sure that they would defend him on any negative article ever made. But, that isn't the case so why should any of them care, right? Except for a hand few. It's no secret that some of his siblings had sold BS stories to tabs for money and/or to get MJs attention for something when he was living. Instead of being grateful he got their asses out of Gary....oh wait MJ wouldn't be nothing without the J5 right? Pfff...As if Berry Gordy would have signed them without MJ, HAHAHA Keep dreaming Jackson's (especially u Jermaine!)
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Will they have to die in order to stop their disgusting and false stories? So it seems. I don't freaking get them, Michael passed away 5 years ago why do they continue trying to destroy him if they couldn't in life? I mean, the media hurt him, humiliated him, vilified him but Michael proved a year after the trial he was truly loved, no matter the crap. I've never seen any other performer causing such roar and ecstasy just because he received a Diamond Award in the WMA, some people even booed Rihanna because they wanted him instead. He sold 50 shows in a matter of hours.
Will they have to die in order to stop their disgusting and false stories? So it seems. I don't freaking get them, Michael passed away 5 years ago why do they continue trying to destroy him if they couldn't in life? I mean, the media hurt him, humiliated him, vilified him but Michael proved a year after the trial he was truly loved, no matter the crap. I've never seen any other performer causing such roar and ecstasy just because he received a Diamond Award in the WMA, some people even booed Rihanna because they wanted him instead. He sold 50 shows in a matter of hours.
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
I guess Rebbie and her daughter have decided to stay silent concerning the Yashi mental breakdown, and it's all Michael's fault story????
I guess Rebbie and her daughter have decided to stay silent concerning the Yashi mental breakdown, and it's all Michael's fault story????
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Respect that "indoctrinating" word is being used too loosely by him. Indoctrinating means something specific and there is a set criteria that has to exist for indoctrinating to take place, but those people of course will not know that.
Respect that "indoctrinating" word is being used too loosely by him. Indoctrinating means something specific and there is a set criteria that has to exist for indoctrinating to take place, but those people of course will not know that.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Yashi denied dating Wade months ago on her twitter.
So if they did "date" then I would guess it was some teen thing and not serious at all - let alone severe enough to cause a mental illness that caused her resentment and angst all her life. Laughable as always from Stacy Brown.
See, he's taking Safechuck's thing about Sheryl Crow and trying to warp it and use it with anything he knows - and what he knows is always anything involving Rebbie.
Isn't it funny how he always tacks on stories after the fact? How he never is the first to know or say anything real involving anyone? It's always after someone else claims something, that Stacy suddenly has an exact story he can share too! Lying piece of shit and when he dies, I will celebrate.
Yashi denied dating Wade months ago on her twitter.
So if they did "date" then I would guess it was some teen thing and not serious at all - let alone severe enough to cause a mental illness that caused her resentment and angst all her life. Laughable as always from Stacy Brown.
See, he's taking Safechuck's thing about Sheryl Crow and trying to warp it and use it with anything he knows - and what he knows is always anything involving Rebbie.
Isn't it funny how he always tacks on stories after the fact? How he never is the first to know or say anything real involving anyone? It's always after someone else claims something, that Stacy suddenly has an exact story he can share too! Lying piece of shit and when he dies, I will celebrate.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
This is just dragging on and on and on and on. Can you imagine how it would be if Michael were alive? We'd be seeing it in every paper, every magazine, every single network news show. Sometimes I am very grateful to God for taking him back.
This is just dragging on and on and on and on. Can you imagine how it would be if Michael were alive? We'd be seeing it in every paper, every magazine, every single network news show. Sometimes I am very grateful to God for taking him back.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
If Safechuck told his mom in 2005 that MJ was a bad man and had molested him, then why didn't she do anything about it? and why did his cousin post a tweet defending MJ in 2013? Did safechuck and his mom just keep it between the two of them? If they felt that they couldn't achieve justice and wanted a settlement instead just like what Safechuck is demanding now then why not go to MJ and try to work out some kind of a deal secretly? Safechuck could have blackmailed him by threatening to go to the cops if he doesn't pay him millions for abusing him. Certainly MJ would have agreed to prevent more negative publicity and another 2005 trial...So they just sat back and did nothing?? To come out 5 years after his death claiming that you want compensation for what he did to you even though you told your parents before he died and saw other people coming forward when he was alive, is enough to make any clear thinking person doubt your claims and dismiss it as another money grubbing attempt.
If Safechuck told his mom in 2005 that MJ was a bad man and had molested him, then why didn't she do anything about it? and why did his cousin post a tweet defending MJ in 2013? Did safechuck and his mom just keep it between the two of them? If they felt that they couldn't achieve justice and wanted a settlement instead just like what Safechuck is demanding now then why not go to MJ and try to work out some kind of a deal secretly? Safechuck could have blackmailed him by threatening to go to the cops if he doesn't pay him millions for abusing him. Certainly MJ would have agreed to prevent more negative publicity and another 2005 trial...So they just sat back and did nothing?? To come out 5 years after his death claiming that you want compensation for what he did to you even though you told your parents before he died and saw other people coming forward when he was alive, is enough to make any clear thinking person doubt your claims and dismiss it as another money grubbing attempt.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
^^The only part I don't agree with is this: "Safechuck could have blackmailed him by threatening to go to the cops if he doesn't pay him millions for abusing him. Certainly MJ would have agreed to prevent more negative publicity and another 2005 trial..." I don't think MJ would agree to being blackmailed, because the person can come back again for more money. Do you mean Michael would have agreed to a settlement? I don't think so, because if he fought in 05, he would have fought Safechuck too because it is around the same time.
^^The only part I don't agree with is this: "Safechuck could have blackmailed him by threatening to go to the cops if he doesn't pay him millions for abusing him. Certainly MJ would have agreed to prevent more negative publicity and another 2005 trial..." I don't think MJ would agree to being blackmailed, because the person can come back again for more money. Do you mean Michael would have agreed to a settlement? I don't think so, because if he fought in 05, he would have fought Safechuck too because it is around the same time.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
The difference is that Michael knew he did not abuse Gavin and there was not a shred of evidence to suggest that he did. However, if Michael really had abused Safechuck for so long and so often, I doubt he'd be as confident to face those allegations in court. As far as I know, you cannot legally settle a child sex abuse claim. So the only other option would be blackmail.
The difference is that Michael knew he did not abuse Gavin and there was not a shred of evidence to suggest that he did. However, if Michael really had abused Safechuck for so long and so often, I doubt he'd be as confident to face those allegations in court. As far as I know, you cannot legally settle a child sex abuse claim. So the only other option would be blackmail.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
I am more than sure he did not abuse anyone
I am more than sure he did not abuse anyone
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^Exactly, there's more evidence backing Michael has always been innocent. What proves do haters have stating otherwise? NOTHING, speculations, innuendos aren't proves.
^Exactly, there's more evidence backing Michael has always been innocent. What proves do haters have stating otherwise? NOTHING, speculations, innuendos aren't proves.
barbee0715
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Nobody was saying that Michael wasn't innocent. But Dannyboy did poke major holes in JS's argument. Just pretend this 2005 story is true. He would have blackmailed him then. So why now make the claim. He supposedly knew it back in 2005.
These attys are coming off so stupidly. They must really think they have a shot at some big bucks.
Nobody was saying that Michael wasn't innocent. But Dannyboy did poke major holes in JS's argument. Just pretend this 2005 story is true. He would have blackmailed him then. So why now make the claim. He supposedly knew it back in 2005.
These attys are coming off so stupidly. They must really think they have a shot at some big bucks.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Because let me tell you the poster intentions are to make the argument that if it was reaaly false he could have blackmailed mj in 2005. Just keep an eye on this thread we probably have a gilmpse who is the plant here. Not at all the first post raising arguments in their favor.
Because let me tell you the poster intentions are to make the argument that if it was reaaly false he could have blackmailed mj in 2005. Just keep an eye on this thread we probably have a gilmpse who is the plant here. Not at all the first post raising arguments in their favor.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
What??? I would not be surprised if they had some spy on here to read the arguments to help them figure out their strategy. Or to circumvent any arguments they might have on their so called cases. Wade knocked down that repressed memory deal really fast so I figured somebody was reading forums that called it bunk so he changed the story.
But do they post here??? On a Michael forum? Now I will be suspicious all the time.
What??? I would not be surprised if they had some spy on here to read the arguments to help them figure out their strategy. Or to circumvent any arguments they might have on their so called cases. Wade knocked down that repressed memory deal really fast so I figured somebody was reading forums that called it bunk so he changed the story.
But do they post here??? On a Michael forum? Now I will be suspicious all the time.
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I think i follow. An 'insanely jealous' mj shows some unflattering photos of yashi without her makeup to wade, wade finishes with yashi cos girls without makeup - gross, yashi gets schizophrenia, it's all mj's fault. As far as stories re mj go, this one is even more desperate nonsense than most which cd explain why everybody has ignored it apart from that radioactive radar site.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Wouldn't surprise me either. Can anyone ask an admin to check the emails addresses registered to this forum? I have most the emails addresses belonging to Wade,and Wade's family and friends. It wouldn't hurt to check if they are registered on here. I also suspect one of the SOWR regulars is already part of this forum as she posted something about Wade on twitter an hour after I posted it on here. I think this thread in particular should only allow people who have been around for a while, or have made a certain amount of MJ positive posts.
Wouldn't surprise me either. Can anyone ask an admin to check the emails addresses registered to this forum? I have most the emails addresses belonging to Wade,and Wade's family and friends. It wouldn't hurt to check if they are registered on here. I also suspect one of the SOWR regulars is already part of this forum as she posted something about Wade on twitter an hour after I posted it on here. I think this thread in particular should only allow people who have been around for a while, or have made a certain amount of MJ positive posts.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
They dont need to check, it is very obvious, I was actually waiting his post to read what argument he would use this time.
Wade is spending all his time educating himself on everything regarding child abuse, it would be very naive of us to belive he is not active here. His whole life depends on this case as you know, someone with no education , with no expertise but in belly dancing does not have much of a financial future, it is reaaly a matter of life or death to him.
They dont need to check, it is very obvious, I was actually waiting his post to read what argument he would use this time.
Wade is spending all his time educating himself on everything regarding child abuse, it would be very naive of us to belive he is not active here. His whole life depends on this case as you know, someone with no education , with no expertise but in belly dancing does not have much of a financial future, it is reaaly a matter of life or death to him.
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I think I have already posted something about this on here months ago. Once again I have noticed the same story about Wade has been recently mentioned by Travis.
According to Travis, Wade never showed up to work after the death of MJ.
It sure sounds as though Wade was so distraught by MJ's/his *friends death that he couldn't bare to face work. Bizarre reaction to have if your molester had died. :doh: :busted:
How Travis Wall Went From Dancer To Choreographer
August 25th 2014
According to Travis, Wade never showed up to work after the death of MJ.
It sure sounds as though Wade was so distraught by MJ's/his *friends death that he couldn't bare to face work. Bizarre reaction to have if your molester had died. :doh: :busted:
How Travis Wall Went From Dancer To Choreographer
August 25th 2014
barbee0715
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Well no I wouldn't be shocked if staffers on both sides infiltrated forums as fans to help with their future arguments. I read posts here that immediately destroy any type of motion or trashy story.
But it would surprise me if they posted-reveal their cards so to speak.
But Wades family and friends maybe. Probably not too smart and think they're helping Wade's case.
Well no I wouldn't be shocked if staffers on both sides infiltrated forums as fans to help with their future arguments. I read posts here that immediately destroy any type of motion or trashy story.
But it would surprise me if they posted-reveal their cards so to speak.
But Wades family and friends maybe. Probably not too smart and think they're helping Wade's case.
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
A suggestion
Posting here about these concerns won't achieve much. I recommend private messaging Gaz directly and immediately. Give him the emails you know and/or the usernames you suspect. He can check to see if such emails are registered here or not, and he can track people's IP information. Gaz is also the only one that can ban users (without a history of breaking forum rules repeatedly) and/or remove specific users access to specific forum sections.
So contact Gaz.
A suggestion
Posting here about these concerns won't achieve much. I recommend private messaging Gaz directly and immediately. Give him the emails you know and/or the usernames you suspect. He can check to see if such emails are registered here or not, and he can track people's IP information. Gaz is also the only one that can ban users (without a history of breaking forum rules repeatedly) and/or remove specific users access to specific forum sections.
So contact Gaz.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
there was a lot of "spying" going on around 2005 on these boards too if anyone remembers. that wouldn't surprise me at all. mj fans are extremely well researched and informed.
there was a lot of "spying" going on around 2005 on these boards too if anyone remembers. that wouldn't surprise me at all. mj fans are extremely well researched and informed.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
The Estate wouldn't be able to hire T.Mez to defend Michael if there is a trial, because he is a criminal lawyer and as this is civil lawsuit The Estate have to hire a civil lawyer. T.Mez pointed out this fact in a podcast interview with MJ-Upbeat last year. He said he would appear as a witness is asked.
I agree that The Estate should use T.Mez in any capacity they can.
The Estate wouldn't be able to hire T.Mez to defend Michael if there is a trial, because he is a criminal lawyer and as this is civil lawsuit The Estate have to hire a civil lawyer. T.Mez pointed out this fact in a podcast interview with MJ-Upbeat last year. He said he would appear as a witness is asked.
I agree that The Estate should use T.Mez in any capacity they can.
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MJLovesyoumore;4044847 said:
I checked this out. There was a show on July 8 when Wade did choreograph a piece. It was the next week that Wall choreographed, so I guess that was when he jumped in for Robson: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_You_Think_You_Can_Dance_(U.S._season_5)#Week_4_.28July_1.2C_2009.29
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
That's why I was suggesting to not let new members to register. At least until this mess comes to an end.
That's why I was suggesting to not let new members to register. At least until this mess comes to an end.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
No need, it is too late already for Robeson or safef@cuk to change their stories (for the million time).I bet they told their psychiatrists many things they regret now.
" he remembered when e remembered", well, lurking around here was not any help for them, even our most intelligent and creative members could not figure out how Roberson forgot and suddenly remembered the 7 years of RAPE.
No need, it is too late already for Robeson or safef@cuk to change their stories (for the million time).I bet they told their psychiatrists many things they regret now.
" he remembered when e remembered", well, lurking around here was not any help for them, even our most intelligent and creative members could not figure out how Roberson forgot and suddenly remembered the 7 years of RAPE.
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate
Robson screwed himself since that Matt Lawer (sp?) interview saying he never forgot what it was done to him and suddenly he also remembered being raped. And the ones who have bothered to read the transcripts of his testimony will know Zonen asked quite specific/graphic questions about Michael's alleged improper behavior and he always denied any wrong doing.
Robson screwed himself since that Matt Lawer (sp?) interview saying he never forgot what it was done to him and suddenly he also remembered being raped. And the ones who have bothered to read the transcripts of his testimony will know Zonen asked quite specific/graphic questions about Michael's alleged improper behavior and he always denied any wrong doing.