[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

You are mixing up the nature of the cases. Here the claim is sexual abuse and Wade is trying to sue a dead man's Estate for it. Catholic church is sued for negligence. Not only entities can be sued to until the plaintiff is 26 yrs old but CA at least once passed a temporary bill to allow such negligence lawsuits against entities.

I'm not mixing up cases, i was replying to your post suggesting repressed memories cdn't be used in civil cases. Repressed memories have been used in a civil trial for sexual abuse. I found one just by a quick google from 2012.

The ten woman, two man jury found the defendant Fr. Kelly liable on multiple counts of assault and sexual abuse, based on the victim's testimony of his recovered memories.

Although Fr. Kelly can not be convicted criminally for the sexual assault, because of the criminal statute of limitations, he was held civilly liable, which is governed by a different statute of limitations. John TZ Doe vs. Fr. Kelly and the Diocese of Stockton/

And yes i agree with what you say - that the estate is probably meaning that repressed memories haven't been used in a case against a dead person.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And they worked on putting together this for 8 months apparently...

Maybe safechuck has been spending the time hunting for that wedding ring and those unflattering sheryl crow pix to help corroborate his er memories.

 

[Lil]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Safechuck didn't testify for mj because he probably was never asked. He was never portrayed as a victim by the prosecution like wade, mac and brett, so there was no need for him to be called.

^didn't Safechuck testify but then his testimony was excluded by the judge because it offered no evidence of abuse but only of "grooming"?

This case is even more ridiculous than Wade's.. :blink: Funny how all of the anxiety, pedophilic urges bugeyed?!) and actually confessing to the abuse years ago (after which nobody did anything..?) weren't perceived as signs he needed help, but when he saw Wade on tv he finally connected the dots.. sure

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^didn't Safechuck testify but then his testimony was excluded by the judge because it offered no evidence of abuse but only of "grooming"?

No, Safechuck never testified in 2005. (He is probably on police record denying being abused in 1993 though.) Yes, the judge dismissed testimony regarding Safechuck because it would have been only about "grooming" - ie. MJ buying him gifts. So there was no reason for him to testify at all.

That's why I do not understand his claim about MJ allegedly getting angry and threatening him because he refused to testify (this was reported about his lawsuit earlier in the media). MJ did not need him to testify, testimony re. Safechuck was not even allowed, so why would MJ get so desperate? Of course, it could have happened that some time in 2004 or early 2005 MJ or his representatives would call to see if certain people would testify for him, just in case - that before there was even a decision about 1108 evidence. But even if such calls happened I'm sure it's represented by Safechuck in a distorted way. MJ threatening people... It would be interesting to hear what Mesereau has to say about it, whether they contacted Safechuck at any point at all.

 

[Paris78]

by the way:

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[dannyboy72]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Didnt Harvey Levin claim that he spoke to Safechuck and his mom and they both denied any wrongdoing?

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's why he is saying he told her in 05

 

[MJLovesyoumore]

Case Dismissed? Attorneys For Michael Jackson’s Estate Ask Judge To Throw Out Molestation Claim From James Safechuck — Find Out Why
Posted on Sep 9, 2014 @ 5:04AM



Lawyers for Michael Jackson‘s Estate have formally asked a judge to dismiss claims from a second alleged molestation victim, James Safechuck, because it was filed almost five years after the pop singer’s death, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.

“Safechuck’s petition must be denied because any claim would be barred by the one year death statute of limitations. The Petition was not filed until May 9, 2014, almost five years after Michael’s death,” court documents obtained by Radar state.

Safechuck filed a creditor’s claim against Michael Jackson’s Estate, affixing his name to the suit filed by Australian choreographer Wade Robson a year ago.



READ THE DOCUMENTS!

Safechuck had worked with Jackson in a 1987 Pepsi commercial, and in the creditor’s claim, he alleged he was groomed, and sexually molested by Michael Jackson for five years, beginning when he was 10 years old.

Lawyers for the Estate, also point out in the documents, that unlike Robson, who claimed he didn’t recall being allegedly molested by the late singer, Safechuck alleges “He became concerned about having pedophilic urges when his son was born and that he was prescribed Xanax during his wife’s pregnancy in 2010. He allegedly did not connect these anxieties to the alleged abuse in 2010, however. Rather, Safechuck claims when he learned about Robson’s lawsuit after May 1, 2013, he thought for the first time he might need help. Safechuck started meeting with a psychiatrist on May 20, 2013, and began discussing the alleged abuse during the treatment.”

Safechuck also retained Robson’s lawyer for legal representation.



During the 2005 criminal proceedings, in which Jackson was found not guilty, one manager of the “Heal The World” singer’s Neverland estate testified he’d seen Jackson and Safechuck in a jacuzzi, at which time the “Will You Be There” singer had his hands “down the front of Jimmy’s underpants and was manipulating the boy’s genitalia.”

A maid said in the same proceedings that she’d seen Safechuck and the “Billie Jean” singer in bed together, with nothing on from the waist up.

Ron Zonen, the prosecutor in Jackson’s 2005 trial in Santa Barbara, said he believes the men that have stepped forward to accuse the “Money” singer posthumously represent just the tip of the iceberg in the potential pool of victims.

A hearing has been scheduled for November 19, 2014.


http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...station-victim-james-safechuck/#axzz3CRo3iz00

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Radar gets it wrong again

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Radar gets it wrong again

What else is new? But then what can we expect when their owned by the same corporation that owns such stellar publications like National Enquirer, The Globe etc... It's all a money game.

 

[HIStory]

I guess they are trying to make it look like there were independent witnesses testifying about Safechuck. In reality Quindoy (the "manager") never testified. Blanca Francia did but never about Safechuck. In fact her testimony is contradictory with that prosecution claim:

Prosecution motion:

Francia's testimony:

Q. You would see those children running around Neverland a lot, correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And Mr. Jackson used to run around with them, didn’t he?
A. Yes.
Q. He used to take them to the theater to watch movies, didn’t he?
A. Yes.
Q. And children would sometimes sit in his lap in the theater watching the movies, didn’t they?
A. I –
Q. Did you ever see that?
A. I never see that. Because I – Q. I’m sorry.
A. I was never there when he was there with kids. [1]
​

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

- he says Michael asked him to testify in his behalf in 2005 but Safechuck refused because he didn't want his mother to find out Michael had abused him.
- he says he eventually told his mother in 2005 that Michael abused him and he's a bad man
- he didn't connect his various anxiety issues to the abuse
- 2010 Safechuck's son is born, he becomes concerned of having pedopholic urges, prescribed Xanax, still did not connect all these to the abuse.
- Wade files a lawsuit, Safechuck hears it, for the first time he thinks he might need help. sees a doctor in may 20, 2013.
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I just can't wrap my head around this?
It makes no sense at all:bugeyed

Shortly put, so we have 2 adults that allegedly have been abused and neither of they didn't realise that they have been abused until their sons are born and they started having pedopholic urges. If I were a judge, I would sent them to mental institution along with their lawyer.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

@respect. Was that jacuzzi story of mj/safechuck from quindoy then? That can easily be rebutted, although apparently ddimond says he's dead, so we're left with a paid newsoftheworld interview. Only judging from those new docs, the corroborating evidence for safechuck's claim seems to be safechuck's mum who wd testify her son told her about the abuse in 05 (can't imagine he'd claim this odd fact if his mum wasn't on board), and a doctor's prescription for zanex from 2010. And maybe a ring.

 

[MJresearcher]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sigh. I'm not surprised that Safechuck's case is just as bad (or worse) than Wade's. Human stupidity is infinite.

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sigh. I'm not surprised that Safechuck's case is just as bad (or worse) than Wade's. Human stupidity is infinite.

So true. As is greed.

Einstein agrees with you
"Only two things in life are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the former."

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

@respect. Was that jacuzzi story of mj/safechuck from quindoy then?

Yes, it's from Quindoy.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So it appears it took them some time to find a second person in the form of Chuck and then 8 months to sit with him and create the story line for the shakedown. It reminds me of robbers getting together to make plans for a heist.

Chuck is strong enough to say NO to Michael when he is asked to be a witness, but is not strong enough to report this man who is bad. His reason for not telling his mom does not even make sense. If you are going to be a witness for someone and show they are innocent how is that going to show your mom that the person molested you? Being such a witness would show your mom that the person is a good man. Anyway we are dealing with lawyers who are putting this thing together and forgetting to connect the thing up for consistency and making it flow in a believable way. They are adding so many different people's stories/casebook narratives together in order to create the story that it is getting messy and all the holes are showing.

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So it appears it took them some time to find a second person in the form of Chuck and then 8 months to sit with him and create the story line for the shakedown. It reminds me of robbers getting together to make plans for a heist.

Chuck is strong enough to say NO to Michael when he is asked to be a witness, but is not strong enough to report this man who is bad. His reason for not telling his mom does not even make sense. If you are going to be a witness for someone and show they are innocent how is that going to show your mom that the person molested you?

I guess he meant that's why he did not testify for the prosecution and did not come forward in 2005.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

but eventually his mom knew, and MJ supposedly lived another 4 years to molest more innocent children, so why after he told his mom he did not come forward to rescue the world?

 

[LastTear]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

but eventually his mo? knew, and MJ supposedly lived another 4 years to molest more innocent children, so why after he told his mom he did not come forward to rescue the world?

This is why I don't understand why the judge hasn't thrown his claim straight out. He has stated that he was aware of the alleged abuse whilst Michael was alive and therefore could have sought 'justice' prior to now. It just proves that it's only money he is after and not any form of 'justice'.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

but eventually his mom knew, and MJ supposedly lived another 4 years to molest more innocent children, so why after he told his mom he did not come forward to rescue the world?

Exactly. He could not be a witness because he did not want her to know, and then he told her anyway. Then, neither mom nor Wade went to the police about this bad man. Right now I have more disdain for the lawyers who helped cook up this thing during an 8 month period than for Chuck. Obviously Chuck has some mental health issues too, since he most likely had some legit therapy for some issues in the past, and will claim the issue was connected to this so called molestation. The sad thing, which happened to Michael unknowingly, is that he befriended a lot of families who were fragile psychologically, and when these types of people begin to look for scapegoats to blame their problems on, it is very dangerous. Add to that their greed & you have a nasty problem on your hands.

Right now we have 2 mothers who it seemed did nothing and are remaining quiet!! Go figure that one out.

 

[Paris78]

Ivy @Ivy_4MJ · 1 h.

If any1 is wondering why judge's decision in probate matters (including Robson/Safechuck) takes long time:

To clarify: The judge had said this in another Estate probate matter and not in Robson/Safechuck. But I'm sure it applies to ALL claims.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

- he says Michael asked him to testify in his behalf in 2005 but Safechuck refused because he didn't want his mother to find out Michael had abused him.
- he says he eventually told his mother in 2005 that Michael abused him and he's a bad man
- he didn't connect his various anxiety issues to the abuse
- 2010 Safechuck's son is born, he becomes concerned of having pedopholic urges, prescribed Xanax, still did not connect all these to the abuse.
- Wade files a lawsuit, Safechuck hears it, for the first time he thinks he might need help. sees a doctor in may 20, 2013.
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I just can't wrap my head around this?
It makes no sense at all:bugeyed

Shortly put, so we have 2 adults that allegedly have been abused and neither of they didn't realise that they have been abused until their sons are born and they started having pedopholic urges. If I were a judge, I would sent them to mental institution along with their lawyer.

Yes and they have pedophilic urges but don't recognize it's wrong or think it could have to do with someone who sexually abused them over 100 times and married them and who they admitted was a bad mad who abused them, etc

MJ also didn't abuse babies, so why are they connecting babies to him?

Wouldn't it be the age they were at when they were abused where they'd begin to panic? Why would you think of babies, if that had nothing to do with the abuse?

Every single story so far has come out thanks to a therapist.

In the US you need a therapist to vouch for your claim before you file a civil suit.

Weird coincidence that!

So much long term abuse and he never needed anxiety meds till 2010 and didn't need therapy until 2013.

Michael Jackson is clearly such a nice abuser that it takes decades for people to even realize how devastatingly ruined their lives are from the abuse.

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why would he only be anxious about his "urges" around his son? Obviously he's been around other children before then and I'm assuming he never had any before and least not that he was anxious about anyway. Or enough to go see a Doc. about. Sick f****

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Exactly. He could not be a witness because he did not want her to know, and then he told her anyway. Then, neither mom nor Wade went to the police about this bad man. Right now I have more disdain for the lawyers who helped cook up this thing during an 8 month period than for Chuck. Obviously Chuck has some mental health issues too, since he most likely had some legit therapy for some issues in the past, and will claim the issue was connected to this so called molestation. The sad thing, which happened to Michael unknowingly, is that he befriended a lot of families who were fragile psychologically, and when these types of people begin to look for scapegoats to blame their problems on, it is very dangerous. Add to that their greed & you have a nasty problem on your hands.

Right now we have 2 mothers who it seemed did nothing and are remaining quiet!! Go figure that one out.

I agree. And I'm so sick of the stupid and lame excuses being made for this trash.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Why would he only be anxious about his "urges" around his son? Obviously he's been around other children before then and I'm assuming he never had any before and least not that he was anxious about anyway. Or enough to go see a Doc. about. Sick f****

I don't believe for one second that safechuck has claimed he has 'pedophiliac urges' round his son - why on earth would he claim he was a pedophile in court papers?? - saying he's been abused isn't a defence, it'll result in the dcsf taking his son off him. I've not seen safechuk's complaint but i imagine he claimed similar stuff to wade's complaint where he said something along the lines that it was only when his son was born that he imagined his child suffering the same abuse that had happened to him from mj and that made him acknowledge the damage that had been done to him - he was just trying to come up with 'triggers' to explain why he was coming up with these claims so late. For me the estate is just playing hard ball and being inflammatory by twisting it and suggesting it's wade/safechuk having pedophilic urges with babies. They're playing dirty which is great - shows they're not going to hold back with these 2. ,

 

[HIStory]

This is how it's worded in the Estate's demurrer - they also reference the place in Safechuck's complaint:

"Safechuck alleges that he became concerned about having pedophilic urges when his son was born and that he was prescribed Xanax during his wife's pregnancy in 2010. (See id. at p.17.)"

I think he does not claim he had pedophilic urges but he seems to claim he became concerned that he might get such urges. A BS story either way and oddly similar to Wade's creepy story about his son:

“In March 2012, I had my second and final nervous breakdown which again included feelings of extreme stress, anxiety, fear and depression. I would look at my son and imagine him experiencing the sexual acts I did with Doe 1- – which I did not yet equate with being sexually abused – and, for the first time in my life, I wondered if I needed to talk to someone about what Doe 1 and I “did together”. I knew that I truly had no idea how I felt about it.”

This is disturbing on so many levels, IMO. I mean what kind of thought process is it to imagine sexual acts between your one-and-a-half years old son and an adult man? Why would you imagine such things? And like, La Cienega said MJ was not accused of abusing them as babies, so why would you imagine such things to your infant son?

And what makes it even more disturbing is that he then says “which I did not yet equate with being sexually abused”. WTF? I mean Robson claims such things as anal rape. He’s been imagining such things happening to his infant son and he did not equate it with sexual abuse? Beyond creepy. Sorry, but no matter what psycho-babble Wade tries to use I will never buy the notion that as an adult man you do not know and cannot figure it out that anally raping a child is sexual abuse. Especially with all the circumstances in this case (MJ being accused before etc).

If I believed their story I’d be seriously concerned for their children and any child that is around them. (And remember Wade and his wife now operate a childrens' bookstore and restaurant at Hawaii. I'd be seriously concerned about a man who admits imagining his son in sexual situations and not knowing it's wrong being around children...) But I do not believe it. I think for some odd reason this law firm thinks that it’s a good idea to drag their kids into it and to relate their discovery of abuse and/or the discovery of its harm to their kids.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Aa stated on another board upchuck had to say she knew there was an estate and he knew Branca was running things because the company he works for the PR work for This is it on Twitter. Even got a private screening of the movie what I am wondering if he attended the bad man's movie

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think he does not claim he had pedophilic urges but he seems to claim he became concerned that he might get such urges.

This ! I think there's some misunderstanding here. Safechuck doesn't claim to have pedopholic urges or being a pedophile, he states he's concerned he might get such urges.

It's kinda like you wear high heals and fear you might fall. It doesn't mean you will actually fall.

As for dragging the kids into this, they seem to have two reasons :
- one they are using it like the triggering event for the realization of the abuse. As you know they are claiming they didn't realize their own abuse for decades and they need a reason, an event something causes them to realize it now and they are using their kids birth to satisfy that.

- second there's some belief that men who are abused as a child tend to become perpetrators themselves.(see here: http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/179/6/482.full)

they are like checking all the possible boxes to make this sound real.

Aa stated on another board upchuck had to say she knew there was an estate and he knew Branca was running things because the company he works for the PR work for This is it on Twitter. Even got a private screening of the movie what I am wondering if he attended the bad man's movie

can you give a source / proof for this please?

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Some one's been saying this kop bored since the diamond story of a few months ago. I have asked for more info and I am waiting for an answer