[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I can't see anything there regarding Wade.

Here Wayne said that

"This is a post from a child abuse non profit that I am supporting on Maui. Friends of the children's justice center of Maui.
I wrote the intro statement for them."

https://www.facebook.com/wayne.rodson

There was a post about Wade until a few days ago

And that page is not available

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=515517771831497&id=106238272759451
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Here Wayne said that

"This is a post from a child abuse non profit that I am supporting on Maui. Friends of the children's justice center of Maui.
I wrote the intro statement for them."

https://www.facebook.com/wayne.rodson

There was a post about Wade until a few days ago

And that page is not available

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=515517771831497&id=106238272759451

Interesting.

Let's hope they realized they were about to get used and exploited by him.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys - don't forget we are not just supposed to provide links for stuff. We need to provide some context about the link is about.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"Michael Jackson changed the world and, more personally, my life forever. He is the reason I dance, the reason I make music, and one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of human kind," Robson said. "He has been a close friend of mine for 20 years. His music, his movement, his personal words of inspiration and encouragement and his unconditional love will live inside of me forever. I will miss him immeasurably, but I know that he is now at peace and enchanting the heavens with a melody and a moonwalk."

Still my favourite Wade Robson quote. How eloquently put! Spoken by a true friend.

How does this guy even believe he has the slightest bit of credibility? His every action in the past, without exception, has shown that he loved, respected and admired MJ, and wanted to be friends with him. And now, suddenly, he realises "oh shit! Totally forgot he molested me! I should sue his children!"

Dickface.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Ok need to say this. Im really finding this hard to deal with. Havent been able to listen to any music since this news broke. Feel heartbroken that this has happened. Just cant get my head around it. Reread Frank Cascio's book which is reassuring but then doubts start to surface again. How could someone so close to MJ and who defended him so much,turn around and claim this? I wish people like frank cascio, brett barnes , culkin, taj Jackson, the estate, meseraeu, the Jackson family etc, would pool their resources together for a change. A lot of people seem to be awful quiet on this. The estate seem too quiet don't ya think? Cant help but think that the estate and supporters should do everything in their power to go after or persuade the root of this problem to come forward and say nothing ever happenend. Could some sort of legal deal be done with Chandler if, under oath, he could come forward? Didn't Mesereau say he had witnesses ready to testify that chandler told them nothing ever happened? Cant understand why this is allowed to continue if there is a possibility of doing something about it. Also don't see the media questioning the validity of MJ putting an alleged victim on the stand as a main defense witness. Made this point to some friends and they agreed that it made no sense. Emotionally this is too much. It's not easy been an MJ fan.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The estate seem too quiet don't ya think?

In my opinion, the Estate is acting appropriately right now. I mean, no sense going tit-for-tat with Wade's sleezy attorney. I'm sure Wade and his attorney would love the attention, but that would only give this story legs, which is not even happening at this time.

The Estate is most likely waiting to see what happens in court and depending on the outcome of that, I expect them to be swift and HARD-HEATING. Mr. Robson better be prepared for an a&& whipping should that day come.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If you can't take the heat leave the kitchen
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If you can't take the heat leave the kitchen

I think people underestimate the effect this is and could have to MJ's Legacy. There have been a spate of celebritys in the UK accussed lately of similar crimes. All you have to do is see what has happened to their legacy. I have told friends and family, since MJ died, that one of the tell tale signs of his innocence was the fact that there were no acusers since he died. Then Wham!!! Robson comes out of the woodwork. People I know could see the logic in the fact that no acusers came forward after he died and why someone would believe in MJ. With MJ gone, there was nothing to stop them from coming forward, like the other cases in UK. But now, people I know are saying that this shows he must have been guilty. I was confident that this wouldn't happen. People were starting to concentrate on the art. This however will reverse that I fear.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If that is how you feel then you need to do some research
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think people underestimate the effect this is and could have to MJ's Legacy. There have been a spate of celebritys in the UK accussed lately of similar crimes. All you have to do is see what has happened to their legacy. I have told friends and family, since MJ died, that one of the tell tale signs of his innocence was the fact that there were no acusers since he died. Then Wham!!! Robson comes out of the woodwork. People I know could see the logic in the fact that no acusers came forward after he died and why someone would believe in MJ. With MJ gone, there was nothing to stop them from coming forward, like the other cases in UK. But now, people I know are saying that this shows he must have been guilty. I was confident that this wouldn't happen. People were starting to concentrate on the art. This however will reverse that I fear.

I don't see the logic at all. Why would the accusations suddenly stop when MJ is no longer here to defend himself and his Estate is bringing in millions of dollars? If anything, that invites even more vultures to come out of the woodwork. I'm sure Wade will not be the only one trying his luck in the future.

There was nothing stopping Wade from coming forward when Michael was alive either. He could've told "his truth" (as he put it) on the stand in 2005 and put Michael behind bars for a very long time. Nobody forced Wade to pay all those tributes to Michael after he died either. This is entirely different from those celebrity cases in the UK (e.g. Jimmy Savile) or the Catholic Church scandal. Those victims didn't publicly praise their abusers for 20 years and defended them in court twice. You just can't compare them.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If that is how you feel then you need to do some research
Research What? The facts in the Arvizos case? That's easy, obvious liars. 1993 - not so easy to find facts as it never went to court. Sodium Amytal? Conspiracies? I never bought into those sides of the story. The reality is that this started with Chandler. Ive said it before - sort out the root of the problem and then the branches will wither away. There has always been propaganda on both sides. I have plenty of friends that thought he was going to jail in the arvizo case but I told them otherwise because I was following what was said in court. The way I feel is not going to influence the court of public opinion which whether we like it or not, will ultimately influence how MJ is remembered in the future. In the past it was easy to become an MJ fan. You just listened to the music. That music had a message that people saw as good and from the heart. My kids are growing older and know who MJ is. My 4 year old even recognizes him and they like the music their dad plays. They love Man in the Mirror. But at some stage they are gonna start asking me about the controversy surrounding MJ. If they research it, will they conclude the same as you? I doubt it. There is plenty of documentation online that has enough to raise doubts. the only way to eliminate it all is to eliminate the root. Doesn't matter how I feel.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think people underestimate the effect this is and could have to MJ's Legacy. There have been a spate of celebritys in the UK accussed lately of similar crimes. All you have to do is see what has happened to their legacy. I have told friends and family, since MJ died, that one of the tell tale signs of his innocence was the fact that there were no acusers since he died. Then Wham!!! Robson comes out of the woodwork. People I know could see the logic in the fact that no acusers came forward after he died and why someone would believe in MJ. With MJ gone, there was nothing to stop them from coming forward, like the other cases in UK. But now, people I know are saying that this shows he must have been guilty. I was confident that this wouldn't happen. People were starting to concentrate on the art. This however will reverse that I fear.

Maybe your premises were wrong in the first place. I guess you are referring to the Jimmy Savile case when you say people coming forward after someone's death proves something and not coming forward after someone's death proves something else. I think that premise is just wrong and you argued to your friends in the wrong way if that was your main argument. No offense, but maybe you should study these allegations against Michael because sure there are better arguments in his defense than that.

You can't compare this to Savile. In Savile's case people came forward after his death because that's when floodgates opened up - one came forward and the rest followed. His alleged victims said they didn't come forward before because they thought no one would believe them. It sure wasn't a factor in Michael's case when he was alive. He's been accused of this since 1993 and law enforcement would have embraced anyone making an allegation. The media was all up against Michael as well as authorities, so people not believing alleged victims sure would not have been a problem in Michael's case.

There couldn't have been a better, more encouraging environment for any alleged victim to come forward than the 2005 trial. Yet Wade went up on that stand and said nothing happened. And he was confident and adamant when he said that. Moreover, he was full of praise of Michael while he was alive and for three years after his death. Voluntarily. So coming forward after Michael's death actually proves the opposite to me: that he's a cowardly liar. I don't think he would do this if Michael was alive and that has nothing to do with the fear that noone would believe him (like in the case of Savile's alleged victims) - because everyone would have believed him had he said this on the stand in 2005. Him doing it now has to do with the fact that Michael is not here any more, he can't defend himself and Wade does not have to look into his eyes when claiming this.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And Wade did not say no one would believe him he said he did not understand it. At 22 he did not know it was wrong. Hello
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Research What? The facts in the Arvizos case? That's easy, obvious liars. 1993 - not so easy to find facts as it never went to court. Sodium Amytal? Conspiracies? I never bought into those sides of the story. The reality is that this started with Chandler. Ive said it before - sort out the root of the problem and then the branches will wither away. There has always been propaganda on both sides. I have plenty of friends that thought he was going to jail in the arvizo case but I told them otherwise because I was following what was said in court. The way I feel is not going to influence the court of public opinion which whether we like it or not, will ultimately influence how MJ is remembered in the future. In the past it was easy to become an MJ fan. You just listened to the music. That music had a message that people saw as good and from the heart. My kids are growing older and know who MJ is. My 4 year old even recognizes him and they like the music their dad plays. They love Man in the Mirror. But at some stage they are gonna start asking me about the controversy surrounding MJ. If they research it, will they conclude the same as you? I doubt it. There is plenty of documentation online that has enough to raise doubts. the only way to eliminate it all is to eliminate the root. Doesn't matter how I feel.

There is plenty of evidence to prove that the Chandlers were liars as well. How do you want to "sort out the root" of this problem? You cannot force Jordan Chandler to admit in public that he lied. Why on earth would he do that? He has nothing to gain from it. Why would he give up his anonymous life as a multi-millionaire to tell the whole world he accused an innocent man of one of the worst crimes imaginable and made a fortune out of it? He told his friends and family that it was a lie and they were willing to testify to this under oath. I'm sure he's done enough in his mind.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's easy, obvious liars. 1993 - not so easy to find facts as it never went to court. Sodium Amytal? Conspiracies? I never bought into those sides of the story. The reality is that this started with Chandler.

The Sodium Amytal story is certainly not the best defense against the Chandler case that you can use. I for one do not believe it. IMO that story was actually planted by the Chandlers themselves as a distraction.

How do you want anyone to "sort out the root of the problem" - ie. the Chandler case? You cannot force the Chandlers to confess. The Estate cannot do that either. What you can do, however, is research. Even if that case didn't go to court there are plenty of documents out there to study - as many fans have done. The Chandlers never testified but they have a book. Using that book you can basically discredit them - like when a witness is discredited under cross examination. There are also other documents, like court motions and other lawsuits that one can study. Like Evan's 1996 lawsuit, Ray's motions in which he fought off the subpoena of Michael's defense in 2004 and the like.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

His mother actually up and left to Australia not long before Wade filed a claim against the MJ's estate.


Her behaviour is very odd for a mother, I'm not one myself but I'm sure if I was "going through difficult times" (he is obviously not according to translations from fluent Spanish speakers and conversations he has had with friends), my mother would support me. His mother may also just not want to get involved in what Wade thought would be a media storm,

it will all come out in the wash!!!!
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't see the logic at all. Why would the accusations suddenly stop when MJ is no longer here to defend himself and his Estate is bringing in millions of dollars? If anything, that invites even more vultures to come out of the woodwork. I'm sure Wade will not be the only one trying his luck in the future.

There was nothing stopping Wade from coming forward when Michael was alive either. He could've told "his truth" (as he put it) on the stand in 2005 and put Michael behind bars for a very long time. Nobody forced Wade to pay all those tributes to Michael after he died either. This is entirely different from those celebrity cases in the UK (e.g. Jimmy Savile) or the Catholic Church scandal. Those victims didn't publicly praise their abusers for 20 years and defended them in court twice. You just can't compare them.


Sorry I disagree. The logic is simple. After MJ died obviously there would be no more new families in his life, therefore no more "new" accusations. The only accusations that could occur after MJ died would be from previous boys that stayed at neverland, which because of the media attention, we all knew who they are. ie Barnes, Culkin, Carter, Safechuck, Spence, Cascios, robson etc,. Since the majority defended MJ at trial and in the media, it narrowed it down even more. No one saw Robsons claim coming. I believed there would be no more accusations because of the fact that these people defended MJ consistently and therefore would have to be mental to now say otherwise. Simple Logic. I also disagree with the belief that this differs from the cases in UK and catholic church. There are plenty of victims in those cases that never came forward until after the passing of their abusers. Do you honestly believe that the facts in all those cases are the same? They differ from case to case. Some victims stayed quiet, some didn't, some were hushed up, some committed suicide. Its not as black and white or as straight forward to say that you cant compare them. Again, our opinions will not influence the court of public opinion. The media will. Before Saville died, public perception was of a popular TV presenter, fondly remembered for my generations Kids programs and also his charity work. Now, public perception is of a monster. It didn't take long for it to turn. I was at the Bad tour in 88. Saw how the public recognized MJ's talent. Sure a lot believed he was weird, but even those couldn't deny the fact that he was the best entertainer on the planet and probably ever. But at the History Tour, I recognized a difference, an easing off, hard to describe but there none the less. The chandler accusations had done that. Attendances were down, the hysteria was no where near the Bad tour or Thriller era. You would be very mistaken to believe that Robsons accusations aren't potentially Legacy destroying.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Noone saw Robson's claims coming because everyone was aware of what he said for 20 years. Some people have integrity and some just don't. Noone can predict human nature. So what should we do about it?

None of Savile's alleged victims testified under oath (twice!) while he was alive that nothing happened. None of Savile's alleged victims defended him against child abuse allegations. None of his alleged victims said about him things like he was the one who made them believe in the pure goodness of mankind or that he had such an innocence about him. None of Savile's alleged victims had voluntary family BBQs with him up until his death, none of them paid him tributes after his death - only to turn when they can file a creditor's claim and a civil lawsuit. Sorry, but this is nothing like the Savile case.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sorry I disagree. The logic is simple. After MJ died obviously there would be no more new families in his life, therefore no more "new" accusations. The only accusations that could occur after MJ died would be from previous boys that stayed at neverland, which because of the media attention, we all knew who they are. ie Barnes, Culkin, Carter, Safechuck, Spence, Cascios, robson etc,. Since the majority defended MJ at trial and in the media, it narrowed it down even more. No one saw Robsons claim coming. I believed there would be no more accusations because of the fact that these people defended MJ consistently and therefore would have to be mental to now say otherwise. Simple Logic. I also disagree with the belief that this differs from the cases in UK and catholic church. There are plenty of victims in those cases that never came forward until after the passing of their abusers. Do you honestly believe that the facts in all those cases are the same? They differ from case to case. Some victims stayed quiet, some didn't, some were hushed up, some committed suicide. Its not as black and white or as straight forward to say that you cant compare them. Again, our opinions will not influence the court of public opinion. The media will. Before Saville died, public perception was of a popular TV presenter, fondly remembered for my generations Kids programs and also his charity work. Now, public perception is of a monster. It didn't take long for it to turn. I was at the Bad tour in 88. Saw how the public recognized MJ's talent. Sure a lot believed he was weird, but even those couldn't deny the fact that he was the best entertainer on the planet and probably ever. But at the History Tour, I recognized a difference, an easing off, hard to describe but there none the less. The chandler accusations had done that. Attendances were down, the hysteria was no where near the Bad tour or Thriller era. You would be very mistaken to believe that Robsons accusations aren't potentially Legacy destroying.

^And by the same token, you can't say the 'hysteria' (your perception of) and the easing off is solely down to child abuse allegations.

For the record, I do agree that event changed a lot and turned the loudest voices away. But nevertheless MJ continued to attract new fans to his work, he was shifting serious numbers, breaking charts and sales records, evolving as an artist and selling out concerts all over the world. MJ might have lost the media and 'voice of the general public' but given that MJ's audience was so gargantuan to start with, his supposed 'lows' are always significantly stronger than a great deal of artists' highs.

According to wikipedia, MJ played to 4.5 million fans over 82 shows between 1996 and 1997, whereas back on the Bad Tour it was 4.4 million over 123 shows.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

My kids are growing older and know who MJ is. My 4 year old even recognizes him and they like the music their dad plays. They love Man in the Mirror. But at some stage they are gonna start asking me about the controversy surrounding MJ. If they research it, will they conclude the same as you? I doubt it. There is plenty of documentation online that has enough to raise doubts. the only way to eliminate it all is to eliminate the root. Doesn't matter how I feel.

Just throwing this in here. My daughter is now 14 and has enjoyed MJ's music for some time now. She knows about the 1993/2003 accusations, and she likes to be very knowledgeable - she did her own research and came to the conclusion that he was a victim of extortion. I'd never talked to her about it, as I didn't know if she was mature enough for the conversation at the time (she was 12 or 13 then), so it was on her own that she heard about these accusations, researched, and came to that conclusion. At some point she had brought it up in a conversation with me. You never know, your kids might feel the same.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Noone saw Robson's claims coming because everyone was aware of what he said for 20 years. Some people have integrity and some just don't. Noone can predict human nature. So what should we do about it?

None of Savile's alleged victims testified under oath (twice!) while he was alive that nothing happened. None of Savile's alleged victims defended him against child abuse allegations. None of his alleged victims said about him things like he was the one who made them believe in the pure goodness of mankind or that he had such an innocence about him. None of Savile's alleged victims had voluntary family BBQs with him up until his death, none of them paid him tributes after his death - only to turn when they can file a creditor's claim and a civil lawsuit. Sorry, but this is nothing like the Savile case.

Well said, I hope people understand exactly what you mean here because it speaks volumes!

Respect to you and your deep understanding of child molestation victims (am one myself) and thorough research on the topic

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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Noone saw Robson's claims coming because everyone was aware of what he said for 20 years. Some people have integrity and some just don't. Noone can predict human nature. So what should we do about it?

None of Savile's alleged victims testified under oath (twice!) while he was alive that nothing happened. None of Savile's alleged victims defended him against child abuse allegations. None of his alleged victims said about him things like he was the one who made them believe in the pure goodness of mankind or that he had such an innocence about him. None of Savile's alleged victims had voluntary family BBQs with him up until his death, none of them paid him tributes after his death - only to turn when they can file a creditor's claim and a civil lawsuit. Sorry, but this is nothing like the Savile case.

Will ye stop stating the obvious!! As I said, each abuse case from saville to Catholicism were never exactly the same. The majority of them if not all were not celebrities with there own TV shows, with access to other celebrities in the music biz. Could Robson have reasoned in the last 20 years that if he comes forward, his career would be destroyed? Quite plausible when you hear the reasoning behind victims of clerical abuse remaining quiet in Catholic abuse cases. The thinking and reasoning of course differed and was similar depending on which cases u choose to look at.
As for dealing with the root, ie Chandler, surely its not hard to imagine the estate doing some legal deal with chandler, as I am sure was tried for the arvizo case, with very little repercussions to his lifestyle, in a country where you could sue someone for "haunting your mind", as Weitzman put it. Chandler would ultimately be seen as a Kid whose parents used him and would be forgiven. To be honest he wouldn't loose much, infact probably gain a lot of sympathy. Depending on what robson produces, this avenue may become important
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Will ye stop stating the obvious!! As I said, each abuse case from saville to Catholicism were never exactly the same. The majority of them if not all were not celebrities with there own TV shows, with access to other celebrities in the music biz. Could Robson have reasoned in the last 20 years that if he comes forward, his career would be destroyed? Quite plausible when you hear the reasoning behind victims of clerical abuse remaining quiet in Catholic abuse cases. The thinking and reasoning of course differed and was similar depending on which cases u choose to look at.

Robson didn't just stay quiet in the last 20 years - I'm sure you are aware of that... He didn't have to say anything. He could have just said "no comment" every time someone brought up Michael to him. He didn't have to testify either. He could have refused, just like Jordan Chandler refused. He could have quietly distanced himself from Michael. He didn't have to visit MJ in Vegas and BBQ with him. He didn't have to make gushing comments about him as a person (and not only as an artist!) after his death. He didn't have to be desperate to do the Cirque MJ show either. Sorry, but his behavior is not normal or "plausible" for alleged victims at all and not comparable to those Savile or Catholic Church victims who just don't talk about their abuse for years.

And in 2005 virtually the whole world was against MJ. 90% of the media propagated the belief that he was quilty. Careers were built upon spreading trash about him and not destroyed by it. If there was an encouraging environment for anyone to come forward in a child abuse case then that was it. Michael's popularity was at an all time low.

If you argued to your friends that alleged victims not coming forward after his death is THE proof of MJ not being guilty and now Wade collapsed your argument then that's your fault only, because that argument was not a very good one in the first place.

As for dealing with the root, ie Chandler, surely its not hard to imagine the estate doing some legal deal with chandler, as I am sure was tried for the arvizo case, with very little repercussions to his lifestyle, in a country where you could sue someone for "haunting your mind", as Weitzman put it. Chandler would ultimately be seen as a Kid whose parents used him and would be forgiven. To be honest he wouldn't loose much, infact probably gain a lot of sympathy. Depending on what robson produces, this avenue may become important

"I am sure was tried for the arvizo case"

What makes you sure?

If Jordan doesn't want to confess no deal can make him confess, sorry. He has his money, he's a millionaire, he doesn't need any deal from the Estate. On the other hand him coming forward would mean he would have to incriminate his mother and uncle. He won't stir up those things in his family.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sorry I disagree. The logic is simple. After MJ died obviously there would be no more new families in his life, therefore no more "new" accusations. The only accusations that could occur after MJ died would be from previous boys that stayed at neverland, which because of the media attention, we all knew who they are. ie Barnes, Culkin, Carter, Safechuck, Spence, Cascios, robson etc,.

Not necessarily. Accusations can come from anyone, even people who have never even met MJ. Remember Daniel Kapon and Joseph Bartucci? I would not be in the least surprised if more of such accusers will come forward in the future, just like there will be more delusional women who claim MJ is the father of their children.

Since the majority defended MJ at trial and in the media, it narrowed it down even more. No one saw Robsons claim coming. I believed there would be no more accusations because of the fact that these people defended MJ consistently and therefore would have to be mental to now say otherwise. Simple Logic.

People don't always act rationally when there is a lot of money involved.

I also disagree with the belief that this differs from the cases in UK and catholic church. There are plenty of victims in those cases that never came forward until after the passing of their abusers. Do you honestly believe that the facts in all those cases are the same? They differ from case to case. Some victims stayed quiet, some didn't, some were hushed up, some committed suicide. Its not as black and white or as straight forward to say that you cant compare them.

No, but there is one major difference: the victims of Savile and the Catholic Church did not defend their abuser against allegations of child sexual abuse, in public and in court, over the course of 20 years. I'm also fairly certain none of them praised their abuser as "one of the main reasons [they] believe in the pure goodness of humankind" but I could be wrong.

Again, our opinions will not influence the court of public opinion. The media will.

Our opinions can definitely influence public opinion, I've seen it with my own eyes. Not everyone blindly accepts what the media write. Many people are just not familiar with the facts regarding MJ's abuse allegations and that's where we can help - by simply providing information and letting people decide for themselves.

Before Saville died, public perception was of a popular TV presenter, fondly remembered for my generations Kids programs and also his charity work. Now, public perception is of a monster. It didn't take long for it to turn. I was at the Bad tour in 88. Saw how the public recognized MJ's talent. Sure a lot believed he was weird, but even those couldn't deny the fact that he was the best entertainer on the planet and probably ever. But at the History Tour, I recognized a difference, an easing off, hard to describe but there none the less. The chandler accusations had done that. Attendances were down, the hysteria was no where near the Bad tour or Thriller era. You would be very mistaken to believe that Robsons accusations aren't potentially Legacy destroying.

The difference between Savile and MJ is that in Savile's case, the allegations came as a complete shock because he was a respected public figure who had never been associated with child sexual abuse. Also, the sheer number of allegations (I believe it was around 450) is astounding. In Michael's case, there have always been people who questioned his character, even before 1993. There will always be people who believe Michael was a pedophile, that's just the way it is. These new allegations won't do much to change that. The media have not paid much attention to Wade's allegations so far and many people - not just fans - question his motives. That said, I also worry about the impact this will have on Michael's legacy.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

As for dealing with the root, ie Chandler, surely its not hard to imagine the estate doing some legal deal with chandler, as I am sure was tried for the arvizo case, with very little repercussions to his lifestyle, in a country where you could sue someone for "haunting your mind", as Weitzman put it. Chandler would ultimately be seen as a Kid whose parents used him and would be forgiven. To be honest he wouldn't loose much, infact probably gain a lot of sympathy. Depending on what robson produces, this avenue may become important

Like that will convince anyone. The people who believe MJ was a pedophile will simply say the Estate bribed Jordan to deny the abuse.
 
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