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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Ape said:
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If it were a dream he had, and a fantasy that she was out there, then it Thank you everyone for your caring and concern, that was really nice. :better: It'll be fine. Just a pain and another bill.. but it always works out alright somehow, so I won't worry. lol..just another adventure right? I just feel bad for my son who is in pain, but even that will pass and right now he's asleep.
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Your very welcome ape
I hope your son will ger better soon
 
Itsjustmenothim said:
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So maybe your on to somthin his music is pretty deep and sombody said no he was the one who said that he knew somthing was gonna happen before it did in one of hisinterviews so maybe he knew someone hahah in the dark was out ther for him im not laughin to make fun but just at how silly i sound.

now this, hm, don't know what you're referring to here

O i think that was from an interview he did maybe he knew mother teresa was gonna die or somethin like that id ont remember

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And I thought I was good at dissecting. Man!

I think I'd rather watch you in here than watch a movie. Look at you go.

Thanks im not really disecting im just saying what is clearly seen when you look at the video well when his hands are folded like praying hands thats not seen unless you preety much puse there but it looks like a deliberate shot
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oh yes I'm withya now. :unsure: well, the song Someone In The Dark does say, "I knew I would see a stranger who'd be my friend" so maybe you're onto something, although he didn't write it, he did choose to sing it.
 
Itsjustmenothim said:
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So maybe your on to somthin his music is pretty deep and sombody said no he was the one who said that he knew somthing was gonna happen before it did in one of hisinterviews so maybe he knew someone hahah in the dark was out ther for him im not laughin to make fun but just at how silly i sound.

now this, hm, don't know what you're referring to here

O i think that was from an interview he did maybe he knew mother teresa was gonna die or somethin like that id ont remember

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And I thought I was good at dissecting. Man!

I think I'd rather watch you in here than watch a movie. Look at you go.

Thanks im not really disecting im just saying what is clearly seen when you look at the video well when his hands are folded like praying hands thats not seen unless you preety much puse there but it looks like a deliberate shot
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These "musical" version (s) of " You Are Not Alone" are definate Favorite (s)...

Acapella and Piano version (s) totally "Rock My World~~~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQTj5OzQMy8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u_udO4bk_U

:angel:Be Still My Heart...:cheers:
 
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STATEofSHOCK said:
Dude! LOL you have me seriously analyzing this thing now LOL

It looks like at 2:20 on "first I need your hand" Lisa whispers something to him (maybe she says, "this is for your imaginary girlfriend lol") then she turns over her shoulder to the camera with a smug look as to say, "who's REALLY got his hand?"

Never noticed the desert/green thing until now. Thanks. Nice input.
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Yeh I saw that look she had i just forgot to mentionit but yes she was all smiles and smug teeth grinnin and all that but at the end lisas not giving to happy of a smile and michael sounds if hes singin got tired of bein alone like hes makin an excuse or giving a reason for somethin. Its a real interesting video
 
I dont know if he directed that video or not but its pretty amazing that those things were in their like that and line up with what you ladies are sayin. Maybe there is something divine going on or maybe he expressed to whoever directed the video what he was feeling or maybe i am just way off and need to go get my head examined
 
Itsjustmenothim said:
Yeh I saw that look she had i just forgot to mentionit but yes she was all smiles and smug teeth grinnin and all that but at the end lisas not giving to happy of a smile and michael sounds if hes singin got tired of bein alone like hes makin an excuse or giving a reason for somethin.
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yes I see what you mean, looks like her countenance kinda changes

Its a real interesting video
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It is. Overall they made it look like they had a lot of fun making it, especially Michael, looks like he had a blast or shall I say, a bliss.

Thanks for sharing your observations. That was great.

For now, its time to bid this saga a fond adieu. Y'all keep it rolling. You're doing great.

As for needing to have your head examined lol, don't worry, "you are not alone" lol.
 
STATEofSHOCK said:
As for needing to have your head examined lol, don't worry, "you are not alone" lol.
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Haha right. okay you ladies are really gonna trip on this i think its three t but it sounds like michael starts singin at the end of the video. I wonder who wrote it here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8tzlzFq02g&feature=related
Im gonna guess if you all are right then michael jackson wrote this song and as it says it wasn't good enough for her but the part that says i need you i want you couldnt live a day without you yhe yhe which is the only part he sung 3:05 theres some words after that icouldnt make out definately sounds like michael though
 
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It's nice to see how you all are zeroing in on him not wanting her to be alone. Her being alone seems to always run across his mind. He can't seem to get away from the thought of her being without him. It's coming out in these lines of "Hold My Hand" and "For All Time" as well.

Hold My Hand

We're better off being together
(Hold my hand)
Than being miserable alone
'Cause I've been there before and you've been there before
But together we can be alright

For All Time

And if you feel alone
I'll be your shoulder
With a tender touch
You will know so well

He's really trying to let her know he wants to be there for her.

Look at the first few songs that he chose for "The Ultimate Collection" box set which is a project that he worked on himself in 2004 during the trial. Look at these songs in comparison to the first few songs that Sony chose for "The Essential Michael Jackson" CD's that came out in 2005 and is a project that was headed by someone other than MJ.

The first few songs that Sony chose for "The Essential Michael Jackson" are:

1. I Want You Back
2. ABC
3. The Love You Save
4. Got To Be There

The first few songs MJ chose for "The Ulimate Collection" box set are:

1. I Want You Back
2. ABC
3. I'll Be There
4. Got To Be There
5. I Wanna Be Where You Are

And then, of course, there are the new and previously unreleased love songs included in the package that went deeper into explaining how he felt. A song like "Beautiful Girl" is definitely not something that can be viewed as beating around the bush.

I also want to say something about why I had initially started this thread and I want to mention that I also know there are some people on other forums saying a few negative things about it and that I really do not care. You know why I don't care? It is because Michael was singing about being in love and he was doing it at the same time that he was fighting for his life. I do not feel that his voice should be ignored just because some can't hang with what he was expressing out loud. Yeah, I read their comments and then do you guys know what else I did? I shrugged it off.

If some want to go to other forums and bat down what's being discussed here, that is fine with me, because you know what they cannot bat down? What they cannot bat down is this...

They cannot bat down the fact that Michael Jackson has been singing about being in love, that the tone of his love songs have changed dramatically since "Invincible," that he found the strength to work on love songs during the trial, and that he has been singing about being in love ever since. They cannot bat down that he now has the sound of content in his voice while he is singing about being in love. There also is no way to listen to "The Way You Love Me" and not hear the sound of happiness in it even though he recorded it in 2004. When someone is singing "Lalalalala" as MJ is doing in this song, that is the sound of happiness.

He actually started singing about being in love well before the trial even rolled through his life like a runaway locomotive. The song that he started singing about being in love in was "One More Chance" and there is no way to ignore what he is repeating at the end of it or how he sounded as he was repeating it.

Some may want to ignore this too, but if MJ had not fallen in love before going through the trial, it would have been close to impossible for him to cope with the pressure of it. Imagine being the person who was lied about. Imagine being the person that was being hammered by the media for years on end and around the clock about the original lie, and then to top it all off being forced to fight for your life because of the lie resurfacing in another form.

Imagine being this person all while knowing you never ever had a chance to experience true freedom as it is because of your long-lasting career, the level of your fame and because you became famous before leaving your parent's home. It is when we leave the nest and are no longer under parental supervision that we normally get a chance to spread our wings and fly on our own. He went straight from parental supervision to having to be heavily guarded.

Imagine always needing bodyguards and being unable to walk down the street freely like most people because of your high level of fame and then finding your fame becoming a total trap because of the evil way that someone came along and painted you as a monster leaving you with very few places to go for refuge while the lie was swirling all around you.

Imaging sharing your gifts of music with others your entire life and bringing joy into the lives of other and then having some person that you don't even fully know coming up with a scheme to try and force from you a large portion of your hard earned income.

Imaging being a man that is being blackmailed by a man that is a deadbeat dad and having that deadbeat dad trying to destroy your life before you have had a chance to become a dad yourself when you know that, that is something that you have always wanted to do and do right with all your heart.

Why should the media be allowed to continue forcing Evan Chandler's lie upon Michael Jackson when Evan wouldn't come forward to prove his claim when the opportunity was offered to him?

Sneddon gave all the Chandlers an opportunity to prove Evan's claim. Sneddon used 1108 to bring in what was said back in '93. Sneddon put his entire career on the line before retiring for the Chandlers to prove Evan's claim and they did not do it at all. June Chandler was actually brought into the courtroom and placed on the witness stand yet she did not say a single word that would prove that anything was done to the child that she gave birth to. Why is that? Why wouldn't she? It is because nothing wrong was done to her son.

The media should be able to tell that MJ was, still is, and has always been innocent. You know another way that the media should be able to tell that MJ is not what Evan tried to say he is? They all should be able to tell not only because no one called the 800 toll free number that was put in place for others to come forward even though 1,000's of children have visited Neverland over the years; not only because members of law enforcement were unable to furnish proof of wrongdoing even after executing over 100 search warrants; not only because MJ had said early on that he never did anything wrong to anyone; but because of the way that Sneddon chose to get a DNA sample from MJ at the very last minute and the way that he went about it.

You would think that with MJ being accused of what was said about him that a DNA sample would have been one of the very first things that law enforcement would have wanted from him. And this is the main reason why the media should be able to tell that Michael is not what was said about him and he never was.

When a man is being accused of such a thing, it would seem that the way to go about getting a DNA sample from him to prove such a thing would not have been done by swabbing the inside of his mouth as it was done.

So again, why should we ignore MJ singing about being in love with a special lady? Why should we ignore the fact that he was singing about being in love all while he was fighting for his life and even before then?

If some have developed a disliking for this thread, then I guess they'd prefer to continue hearing the lies over what MJ himself has been saying in song. Ignoring what he's been singing about would also mean there would be no chance of him falling in love with them because they are female. They are automatically finding themselves in a catch-22 situation by ignoring him admitting that he has strong feelings for someone and by trying to bat down the beauty of what they hear him saying.

At this point, we can only choose to listen to one side or the other. What he's been singing about or what the other people have been saying about him without having the grounds to say it.

The reason why I have (continued) in the title of this thread is because I had originally started this thread back in 2008, but had asked the Mods to delete it because someone came into the thread to show their unhappiness with the discussion. I have no plans of doing it again. I'm not doing it because many members of this forum...female members at that...had asked me to restart the discussion. They were asking me on the main board and in PM. One day I decided to honor their request. Right after I did that, "Hold My Hand" came out and that song fell right in place with this discussion. It showed MJ singing about being in love.

Therefore, the love story (continues), as the mystery unfolds. And it's okay if some female fans are upset about MJ showing signs of being in love or about some fans discussing it. Love did not ask MJ if it was okay for it to be there. It just came. It just showed up and he started singing about it instead of telling it to leave. Love doesn't announce an ETA. It usually just arrives.

Besides, how do you tell a man that has been singing so long about being lonely and crying at night to send life-changing love away...the kind that changes life for the better...the kind that is allowing his fans to enjoy seeing him smile again...the kind that makes him want to take the world by storm again? How do you do that?
 
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I just wanted to add this poem, from the bible. I think this fits so well into what we are discussing here:

Love is Patient

http://www.scrapbook.com/forums/showuser.php?uid/106803/
Author: The Bible: 1 Corinthians 13:4
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Love is patient, love is kind.
It does not envy, it does not boast,
it is not proud.
It is not rude, it is not self-seeking,
it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil
but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts,
always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.​
 
poor MIMIK is so sick.

it's all the devil's trick.

but i don't give a lick

and i'll give the devil a kick.


but even though it's day,

MIMIK will come and play

you know me, allformj

you know the right things to say.


my life is full of music

my head full of rhyme

if i didn't do this

i would surely die


love is so central

love is so divine

love is so beautiful

my love is mine


you ask the question

did mj find love in the dark?

you found your answer

now i'll go walk through my park.


the dark is my sancturay

it is my safe place

and i'm going to the dome;

the stage is my home.


you know who i am

if you would only look

because after all,

my life is an open book.


the love mystery is sweet

it's a love that can't be beat

for i know the spell

and in love she fell.


believe me or not

right now it's so hot

to keep from hell

i must hear the bell
 
LindaC781 said:
I just wanted to add this poem, from the bible. I think this fits so well into what we are discussing here:

Love is Patient

http://www.scrapbook.com/forums/showuser.php?uid/106803/
Author: The Bible: 1 Corinthians 13:4
​
Love is patient, love is kind.
It does not envy, it does not boast,
it is not proud.
It is not rude, it is not self-seeking,
it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil
but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts,
always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.​
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Some of the most beautiful lines in the Holy Bible :) Thx so much Linda for posting them.


I may not be as talented as some of y'all kind folks here at interpreting stuff, but I wanted to bring to your attention the lyrics of a song by U2. It's called A man and a woman. Obviously, it is a musical love letter from Bono to his wife, but I believe any1 can relate to the lyrics and wish for such a deep true and lasting love; be it for Mike or for anybody.



Little sister don't you worry about a thing today
Take the heat from the sun
Little sister
I know that everything is not ok
But you're like honey on my tongue

True love never can be rent
But only true love can keep beauty innocent

I could never take a chance
Of losing love to find romance
In the mysterious distance
Between a man and a woman
No I could never take a chance
'Cause I could never understand
The mysterious distance
Between a man and a woman

You can run from love
And if it's really love it will find you
Catch you by the heel
But you can't be numb for love
The only pain is to feel nothing at all
How can I hurt when I'm holding you?

I could never take a chance
Of losing love to find romance
In the mysterious distance
Between a man and a woman

And you're the one, there's no-one else
who makes me want to lose myself
In the mysterious distance
Between a man and a woman

Brown eyed girl across the street
On rue Saint Divine
I thought this is the one for me
But she was already mine
You were already mine...

Little sister
I've been sleeping in the street again
Like a stray dog
Little sister
I've been trying to feel complete again
But you're gone and so is God

The soul needs beauty for a soul mate
When the soul wants...the soul waits ...

No I could never take a chance
Of losing love to find romance
In the mysterious distance
Between a man and a woman

For love and faith and sex and fear
And all the things that keep us here
In the mysterious distance
Between a man and a woman

How can I hurt when I'm holding you?


In case anybody wants to hear the song, here is a remixed version, the only one I could find on YouTube. The original is even more amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMQNVlL7a1I

Enjoy. Peace and......LOVE
 
MimiK said:
poor MIMIK is so sick.

it's all the devil's trick.

but i don't give a lick

and i'll give the devil a kick.


but even though it's day,

MIMIK will come and play

you know me, allformj

you know the right things to say.


my life is full of music

my head full of rhyme

if i didn't do this

i would surely die


love is so central

love is so divine

love is so beautiful

my love is mine


you ask the question

did mj find love in the dark?

you found your answer

now i'll go walk through my park.


the dark is my sancturay

it is my safe place

and i'm going to the dome;

the stage is my home.


you know who i am

if you would only look

because after all,

my life is an open book.


the love mystery is sweet

it's a love that can't be beat

for i know the spell

and in love she fell.


believe me or not

right now it's so hot

to keep from hell

i must hear the bell
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:clapping:

Applause...applause, MimiK. Bow to your left and right. Now look up, roses are coming on stage. You must try to catch them in flight.
 
LindaC781 said:
I just wanted to add this poem, from the bible. I think this fits so well into what we are discussing here:

Love is Patient

http://www.scrapbook.com/forums/showuser.php?uid/106803/
Author: The Bible: 1 Corinthians 13:4
​
Love is patient, love is kind.
It does not envy, it does not boast,
it is not proud.
It is not rude, it is not self-seeking,
it is not easily angered,
it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil
but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts,
always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails.​
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LindaC781 said:
Man are we a bunch of romantics in here or what?
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Sdeidjs said:
:angel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GYsRC-7_S0

:cheers:
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MJbabe21 said:
of course :D :)

:shifty:
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Shabuya said:
Some of the most beautiful lines in the Holy Bible :) Thx so much Linda for posting them.


I may not be as talented as some of y'all kind folks here at interpreting stuff, but I wanted to bring to your attention the lyrics of a song by U2. It's called A man and a woman. Obviously, it is a musical love letter from Bono to his wife, but I believe any1 can relate to the lyrics and wish for such a deep true and lasting love; be it for Mike or for anybody.



Little sister don't you worry about a thing today
Take the heat from the sun
Little sister
I know that everything is not ok
But you're like honey on my tongue

True love never can be rent
But only true love can keep beauty innocent

I could never take a chance
Of losing love to find romance
In the mysterious distance
Between a man and a woman
No I could never take a chance
'Cause I could never understand
The mysterious distance
Between a man and a woman

You can run from love
And if it's really love it will find you
Catch you by the heel
But you can't be numb for love
The only pain is to feel nothing at all
How can I hurt when I'm holding you?

I could never take a chance
Of losing love to find romance
In the mysterious distance
Between a man and a woman

And you're the one, there's no-one else
who makes me want to lose myself
In the mysterious distance
Between a man and a woman

Brown eyed girl across the street
On rue Saint Divine
I thought this is the one for me
But she was already mine
You were already mine...

Little sister
I've been sleeping in the street again
Like a stray dog
Little sister
I've been trying to feel complete again
But you're gone and so is God

The soul needs beauty for a soul mate
When the soul wants...the soul waits ...

No I could never take a chance
Of losing love to find romance
In the mysterious distance
Between a man and a woman

For love and faith and sex and fear
And all the things that keep us here
In the mysterious distance
Between a man and a woman

How can I hurt when I'm holding you?


In case anybody wants to hear the song, here is a remixed version, the only one I could find on YouTube. The original is even more amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMQNVlL7a1I

Enjoy. Peace and......LOVE
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Romance, romance, thank God for love and romance. He came up with a wonderful way to populate the planet.

He is ab-so-lutely brilliant!! :wub:
 
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In addition to Michael openingly singing during the trial about being in love; in addition to Attorney Thomas Mesereau doing a superb job proving Michael's innocence; in addition to God having the final say and exonerating Michael; the trial gave the world a chance to see which man is truly a father out of Michael Jackson and Evan Chandler.

Did you guys notice how much energy Michael put into shielding this children from that madness that he was being put through between 2003 and 2005?

What did he do before getting on a plane to fly to Santa Barbara in November '03?

He watched cartoons with his children before he left, didn't he?

After he left, do you think he wanted his family members to let his children see him fly into Santa Barbara after leaving when he knew the media was going to be airing it live?

We all can best believe that he didn't. We can bet our last dollar on it, because we already know that the way he was being portrayed over the years was bothering him greatly and that he sure was not going to subject his children to that trial via the television.

Look at the way that MJ quickly took his children away from Neverland by helicopter when he was told that Sneddon was sending an extremely large number of police officers and such to their home to get a small sample of DNA from him. He did not want his children to be traumatized by that huge and unneccessary show of force that was going to be displayed for a simple procedure. He quickly took his kids away from there and then returned without them to have the procedure done.

He went to and from home daily, nicely dressed for his day in court, and when he got to court he held his head up high everyday until the trial was over. Even the day that he went in his pajama pants and suit jacket was okay, because his children are used to seeing him out and about dressed like that anyway. What the media tried to make a big deal of was a whole bunch of nothing to MJ's children. They see him dressed that way on many occassions. It was nothing new to them.

What did MJ do after he won on verdict day? He went home, made a sandwich and laughed while watching the Three Stooges. Do you know what that showed his children? It showed them that all the madness was over and that their daddy was home to stay and that he was also okay. Can you imagine how quickly that must have put his children at ease if they were sensing that something was wrong before as most children usually are able to do?

One day when his children are older, they will probably go online to do research about their father and you know what they are going to discover? They are going to discover just how great he is from a totally different angle. They are going to see more of what they see upfront. They are going to see why the world admires him. They are going to see how talented and giving he is.

When they look up the trial that was deemed the trial of the century, they are going to immediately notice how their father carried himself during the time that he was leaving them each day. They are going to be amazed at the way that he was holding his head up and how strong he is. They are going to remember how he shielded them from all of that stuff that he was being taken through behind a lie that originated years before they were born.

Now let's look at the man that originally accused their father of being a monster. And what is that man's son going to remember?

He's going to remember that his father would not spend any time with him until MJ started visiting him and his mother. He's going to remember his father was unwilling to pay child support for him when he was young even though his father was a dentist and a dentist is totally capable of earning enough to provide for their children.

He's going to remember being used to extort money from someone else that works for a living and that, that man had been working for a very long time. He's going to remember how much he despised his parents for using him to extort money. And, he's going to remember his father hitting him in the back of his head with a twelve pound weight two months after the man is father accused was exonerated after going through a very long trial.

Out of Evan Chandler and Michael Jackson, I wonder who the members of the media would want as a father? Which of these two men do they think is the most caring and giving?

You know how you can tell that Michael Jackson did an excellent job shielding his children from all the stuff that take place between '03 and '05?

You can tell by the way that his children were in the window smiling and waving in London shortly after he announced that he was going to step back on stage.

Are MJ and his children trying to stay out of the public eye? Sure doesn't look like it.

What about Evan Chandler and his son? They haven't been through nearly as much as Michael Jackson and his children, so what are they staying out of sight for?

Even when MJ and his children cover their faces to get a small ounce of privacy, they still allow us to seem them out and about in public. We see them out having fun together.

It is really beyond time for the lie to be put to rest so everyone can move on. And when I say everyone, I mean the media too. They have got to be tired of writing about the story that never was.

If the media wants to know which of the two men are telling the truth, all they have to do is look at which of the two men truly act like a father and protector, and which one doesn't. Which one takes care of children, and which one doesn't. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.
 
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