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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

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moddie777 I hope you don't feel I was directing my focus on 'children' toward your sharing, I wasn't at all. I enjoy your insights and wish you'd feel free to share openly. I feel its a given that no interpretations imply 100% accuracy of fact, which is part of what makes this 'mystery' so intriguing, so please know my post was not directed at you - it was primarily to serve as a reminder to onlookers (who are huge fans of this thread but not posting) that we have not, nor can we forget that MJ's love for the children is real and I do believe that when he says he is living for the children he's talking about all the children of the world. Now does that exclude any children "she" might have? Why of course not. Yes, MJ is indeed that kind of guy and I get what you were saying. It made a lot of sense to me. As I said to AllforMJ, I never woulda thought of half the things you post but it makes the thread interesting. Is it conclusive? Well, afterall, this is all a mystery so, of course not, but its intelligent, stimulating and fun :giggle: and I think everyone who posts in here loves love :yes: :) I
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Oh no StateofShock, I didn''t take your comments personally at all. When you and mjrox were in discussion about children and what they mean to Michael, it reminded me of a few things I wanted to post about chapters ago, lol.
You guys gave me the reminder I needed.
Michael is revealing things to us, he has become more and more direct and this is not the only time he has linked 'kids" with" a love" that links the theories of this thread. If I recall correctly it was super sleuth Ape who first picked up on it waaaaaaaaay back when we were talking about the 'butterflies" remix version.
I can not say with conviction, since there needs to be more clues from Michael in order for me to feel as comfortable about this particular theory as I am about others.
But I must say, as someone who is looked at as a contributing interpreter he sure is giving us alot of material to draw from and there isn't even a new record out yet!
 
Moddie777 said:
Oh no StateofShock, I didn''t take your comments personally at all. When you and mjrox were in discussion about children and what they mean to Michael, it reminded me of a few things I wanted to post about chapters ago, lol.
You guys gave me the reminder I needed.
Michael is revealing things to us, he has become more and more direct and this is not the only time he has linked 'kids" with" a love" that links the theories of this thread. If I recall correctly it was super sleuth Ape who first picked up on it waaaaaaaaay back when we were talking about the 'butterflies" remix version.
I can not say with conviction, since there needs to be more clues from Michael in order for me to feel as comfortable about this particular theory as I am about others.
But I must say, as someone who is looked at as a contributing interpreter he sure is giving us alot of material to draw from and there isn't even a new record out yet!
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HAHAH that is so true! and funny. Thank you for my new superhero name....lol.. ok I know it wasn't meant to be a superhero name but it could be
I love that Eve remix to butterflies. I think it probably says a lot about what he was doing back then. Searching for someone and seeing possibilities. A man his age dating will most likely find a lady who has already had a relationship and could very well have children already as well. So the possibility of him being in love with a mother is very high I think. Look at us all just in this thread and I bet most of us over 30 anyways, have kids. (Not saying he couldnt fall in love with someone younger than 30)
 
Ape said:
HAHAH that is so true! and funny. Thank you for my new superhero name....lol.. ok I know it wasn't meant to be a superhero name but it could be
I love that Eve remix to butterflies. I think it probably says a lot about what he was doing back then. Searching for someone and seeing possibilities. A man his age dating will most likely find a lady who has already had a relationship and could very well have children already as well. So the possibility of him being in love with a mother is very high I think. Look at us all just in this thread and I bet most of us over 30 anyways, have kids. (Not saying he couldnt fall in love with someone younger than 30)
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Bingo! You were the first in this thread to pick up on it!

And now with the recent messages, what does Michael do? He gives us yet another clue linking that exact possiblity!

Super Sleuth Ape; I think you've been on to something this entire time!
 
Oh My God!

This thread and our theories and interpretations must be spreading like wild fire!

I happened to be browsing the new MJFC forum and looked in the thread about the new messages from Michael and saw a post from a fan named: Kristi, she made a point about the way Michael signed the note dated on 11/11-8, he signed it: "M.Jackson and family". She even highlighted it to draw more attention to it and her obvious point.

Her comment was: 'I think this is the first time, as he sign like this,,,I think that says many important things".

Do you get it now? We are not the only ones seeing what Michael is putting out there. Other's fans are now beginning to interpret the same or similiar things.

And let me say this: We know Michael has in the past referred to he and his kids as 'family" but the timing( he looks and is saying he is so happy; appearing like he is in love) is suggesting something far more,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
Moddie777 said:
Oh My God!

This thread and our theories and interpretations must be spreading like wild fire!

I happened to be browsing the new MJFC forum and looked in the thread about the new messages from Michael and saw a post from a fan named: Kristi, she made a point about the way Michael signed the note dated on 11/11-8, he signed it: "M.Jackson and family". She even highlighted it to draw more attention to it and her obvious point.

Her comment was: 'I think this is the first time, as he sign like this,,,I think that says many important things".

Do you get it now? We are not the only ones seeing what Michael is putting out there. Other's fans are now beginning to interpret the same or similiar things.

And let me say this: We know Michael has in the past referred to he and his kids as 'family" but the timing( he looks and is saying he is so happy; appearing like he is in love) is suggesting something far more,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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I picked up on how he signed that note, as well. I had never seen him do that before. It isn't necessarilly "Michael Jackson" anymore. His whole family is involved in their appreciation and love. They themselves are a unit. It's like, here WE are, not here I am. just thoughts.
 
Maybe he is appearing like he is in love.Thats awesome that someonelse at MJFC forum noticed this as well.
 
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Things that make you go Mmm...

Smiles...:angel:
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Indeed, Indeed.

He keep "confirming" things in this thread we have already theorized and examined.

Look like pretty soon, the whole world will notice what we seem to already feel; at least thats the direction his clues are going.
 
Moddie777 said:
Indeed, Indeed.

He keep "confirming" things in this thread we have already theorized and examined.

Look like pretty soon, the whole world will notice what we seem to already feel; at least thats the direction his clues are going.
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:woohoo: so true!! it seems like he is!!!!
 
Oh no StateofShock, I didn''t take your comments personally at all. When you and mjrox were in discussion about children and what they mean to Michael, it reminded me of a few things I wanted to post about chapters ago, lol.
You guys gave me the reminder I needed.!
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oh ok great, that's good to know, thanks

Michael is revealing things to us, he has become more and more direct and this is not the only time he has linked 'kids" with" a love" that links the theories of this thread. If I recall correctly it was super sleuth Ape who first picked up on it waaaaaaaaay back when we were talking about the 'butterflies" remix version.
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oh ok, that's right I remember and speaking of the song, Butterflies and those things on his lapel .... hmmm correlation perhaps?

I can not say with conviction, since there needs to be more clues from Michael in order for me to feel as comfortable about this particular theory as I am about others.
But I must say, as someone who is looked at as a contributing interpreter he sure is giving us alot of material to draw from and there isn't even a new record out yet
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Speaking of 'material', I was initially attracted to "material" in the form of lyrics that seem to have a story direction thanks to AllforMJ initially pointing it out and that has intrigued me ever since. With that said, I don't mean to seem like a "skeptic" because I'm not skepticle, just hesitant to infer what any of it, especially the other stuff (notes to fans, etc.) " means" to whether he found love in the dark, whereas some things seem clear to you and AllforMJ that not only would I never have thought of but that I'm not sure I see just yet (til I get the "revelation" y'all have lol) because its ever-to-easy for things to appear outwardly as they do inside a person's romantic imagination - I'll give an example and speaking of MJ and his family (and how much his kids mean to him) and speaking of forgetting to mention something that crosses one's mind -- earlier on in the thread, someone mentioned that it seemed "significant" the release that came out around Valentine's Day as though it was all about "her" yet all the while forgetting that MJ has a child who's birthday is (I believe) the day before Valentine's and it was my first thought when someone pointed out how "significant" that was but I forgot to mention it , but yeah, its that kind of thing that I mean when I say mmmmmI dunno- not skeptical - just hesitant to conclude things that could too easily have a different meaning than what this topic is about, but it doesn't take away from how interesting this all is :yes: its just I can't help being in this rather 'sobering' state of mind about it all ... sorry :giggle: and hay, it also doesn't change the fact that ...

the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds ...

oh, speaking of 'mystery unfolding' I had a thought about One More Chance but its left me. When it comes back I'll post it
 
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In his 2004 message that he included with "The Ultimate Collection" box set he said, "I am always so moved by the beauty of your selfless love..."

This translates into "I am always so moved by the beauty of your unselfish love." In "For All Time" he also called the love good.

In 2001, he was crying while talking about the lack of love. Now he's received unselfish love that is so good it stayed on his mind the whole time he was going through his darkest hour.

Love so good that it transformed him. Let's look back at the court days. He was going through hell between 2003 and 2005, and while going through it he looked gorgeous. How?

Finally receiving unselfish love. That's how.

Now, in one of his most recent handwritten messages he said, "I am living for you, and the children." The "you" shows he is talking to adults. Someone represented the "adults" in a positive way enough for him to rethink things.

He's even walked away from Neverland and is smiling while doing it. Would he have been able to do this, all while feeling content, if he had never received that selfless/unselfish love? I think he would have been deeply hurt by all of it. He would have been without love and also without the place of paradise that he had created. It would have been overwhelming for him.

But look at him. He's beaming while heading to the next chapter of his life story.

Real love works wonders. :yes:
 
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Want to know something?? It makes me smile - grin from ear to ear - seeing him this happy. Really really happy. If ANYONE deserves happiness, it is him. I just want him to be happy....truly truly happy. That's all. A very simple little wish. I think I got my wish...I guess I really do love him as a fan. I don't want anything else but to see him happy and smiling. That's enough for me.
 
I just can't understand why others want to knock him down all the time. ....and I am glad that I see the same thing you guys are seeing. After all the lies and deception, and the USING of him for the good person he is, it was just not fair. He didn't deserve any of that. I am glad he is happy now.
 
STATEofSHOCK said:
oh ok great, that's good to know, thanks

oh ok, that's right I remember and speaking of the song, Butterflies and those things on his lapel .... hmmm correlation perhaps?

Speaking of 'material', I was initially attracted to "material" in the form of lyrics that seem to have a story direction thanks to AllforMJ initially pointing it out and that has intrigued me ever since. With that said, I don't mean to seem like a "skeptic" because I'm not skepticle, just hesitant to infer what any of it, especially the other stuff (notes to fans, etc.) " means" to whether he found love in the dark, whereas some things seem clear to you and AllforMJ that not only would I never have thought of but that I'm not sure I see just yet (til I get the "revelation" y'all have lol) because its ever-to-easy for things to appear outwardly as they do inside a person's romantic imagination - I'll give an example and speaking of MJ and his family (and how much his kids mean to him) and speaking of forgetting to mention something that crosses one's mind -- earlier on in the thread, someone mentioned that it seemed "significant" the release that came out around Valentine's Day as though it was all about "her" yet all the while forgetting that MJ has a child who's birthday is (I believe) the day before Valentine's and it was my first thought when someone pointed out how "significant" that was but I forgot to mention it , but yeah, its that kind of thing that I mean when I say mmmmmI dunno- not skeptical - just hesitant to conclude things that could too easily have a different meaning than what this topic is about, but it doesn't take away from how interesting this all is :yes: its just I can't help being in this rather 'sobering' state of mind about it all ... sorry :giggle: and hay, it also doesn't change the fact that ...

the love story continues, as the mystery unfolds ...

oh, speaking of 'mystery unfolding' I had a thought about One More Chance but its left me. When it comes back I'll post it
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Hey Stateofshock,
I remember the discussion about the T25 release being out on Feb 12th and saying it was a valentine's for "her". This was very significant for her and not anyone elese due to one fact alone. He remastered and added a new bridge and included ''For all time" on it. A song about the promise of loving someone special for eternity. And let us not forget our discussion about the meaning of the "new bridge".
 
well I mean, y'know, a singer/songwriter adds a remastered new bridge to a song ... y'knowww....

I mean it happens ...... yes? :scratch:

and isn't his child's birthday February 13th?



sorry I'm seriously not tryin' to be difficult.....just sayin' ..... isn't it POSSIBLE he wanted to release it by his child's birthday? maybe as a goal maker or milestone.....or is it not at least as worthy a consideration as the other "possiblility" :scratch:


just asking :unsure: I mean....seems reasonable to me

and of course on the other hand I can see the meaning in the song its just ... y'know...I guess my operative word is once again,

'inconclusive'

sorry....maybe I'm being too analytical or something
 
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Ape said:
Cleopatra, Thank you for sharing what you had here too, I couldn't really figure it out though either. Still it was interesting to read.

SOS I tried to say it in a rep point but couldn't cause I need to spread the love around some first..lol. I really enjoyed all you said in your post, especially about the colours. They can mean so many things, Red is also for love and passion and death all at once. I liked the Black Butterfly songs you sent too. I think we are all starting to feel like we have been misunderstood and need to walk on eggshells so as not to upset anyone but I have a feeling that we all feel the same about it.

I think we all respect each other in here and see everyone will have a unique perspective on the topic and each see different things in the same information presented.

AllForMJ Absolutely brilliant post I thought. I gave you rep for it but not sure if you get to see those. You broke it down so well and I could totally understand it how you wrote it. That's really special if it is how it is, and it seems to be.
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Hey, thanks a lot, Ape!! :flowers:
 
^ fyi, I gave you up some too just on g.p. for this entire thread....sorry don't know what took me so long as much as I've been enjoying this thread (i don't think about rep a lot...just running in and out usually). Your points are mad poignant!
 
STATEofSHOCK said:
^ fyi, I gave you up some too just on g.p. for this entire thread....sorry don't know what took me so long as much as I've been enjoying this thread (i don't think about rep a lot...just running in and out usually). Your points are mad poignant!
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Thanks a bunch, STATEofSHOCK! :flowers:

It's fun having conversations about the heartfelt things that he sings about and writes, huh? His words are just flowin' like a river.

Ya know what I think is really cute? In "For All Time" he said, "If these words could keep you happy, I'd do anything." And now in one of his hand written notes he said, "You make me soooo happy."

Isn't it nice seeing him like this? :D
 
Doing a sound check to let you see what he sounded like before he was comforted and what he sounded like afterwards.

Keyword is "happy."

Actually, the keywords are...

"Happy" and "Word(s)"

Get ready to take a listen to a before and after.

When you wanna know how Michael is feeling, you have to listen to his tone...
 
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^ reminds me of the Salt & Pepa song except we change one word to say, "my Mike sound nice check one.....are ya ready..." ( :giggle: )

ok AllforMJ we're waiting for the sound check and maybe you could pop those CDs into the dash of that limo ...

:cheeky: afterall, the door is stiiiiill hanging open




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It sounds like he used to have women in his life and a few sort of popped out of the woodwork around the trial time that he dated or might have dated to show that side of himself. What was it like in the past? Have things been different lately from what everyone sees? When he was married, shortly before he was married in the past, did he act similar to this? I wondered about the "You are not alone" song that he made a video for WITH his wife. The song doesn't sound like it is for her? Why is that? WOuldn't he be singing love songs to her if he sings what he means..etc? Just something I was thinking of. The photos of the two of them seem to show he is in love..looks that way anyways. So did he have love songs like this back then for her that people could tell were for her?
 
I know Im not supposed to be speculating on MJs private life.. But you think/guessing" You are Not Alone "was not for lisa, but maybe for someonelse??right...
 
Well... the song suggests he and the person aren't together. "How did love slip away" but yet they are together. I don't know. I still don't know lots about his life. Maybe I never understood it correctly.
 
Yeah Ape..I was thinking about the same thing.. Because in the Song MJ also says "though were far part, you're always in my heart!" , something a long those lines. So maybe he was refering to them not being together!
 
STATEofSHOCK said:
^ reminds me of the Salt & Pepa song except we change one word to say, "my Mike sound nice check one.....are ya ready..." ( :giggle: )

ok AllforMJ we're waiting for the sound check and maybe you could pop those CDs into the dash of that limo ...

:cheeky: afterall, the door is stiiiiill hanging open




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:giggle: Yeah, I do need to let him close that doggone door. Mike is probably saying, "Dannng! What is UP withchu, girl!!!" *tapping on watch* LOL

Okayyyy. Sound check.

Here are two songs to give us a before and after. The first one is "Whatever Happens." The second one is "For All Time."

While listening to him in "Whatever Happens" which is from the "Invincible" era, you are going to hear the sound of agitation. You're going to hear the sound of pleading combined with frustration. The tone of his voice and the words of this love song are over music that's practically saying there's going to be a showdown at high noon and he doesn't want to be alone during that time. This music is saying there is a conflict.

Then, when you listen to "For All Time," which was finalized and released almost seven years after "Whatever Happens," you're going to notice the sound of serenity all throughout the song. We hear it in the words of the new bridge and in the way he's singing it.

The first song mentions "word" and "happy." The second song mentions "words" and "happy." And although both songs mention the possibility of unfortunate events, one has the sound of despair while the other one doesn't.

"For All Time" shows he's been comforted.

Whatever Happens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLxs1l3l4HE

For All Time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy3zIe-HFfA

Isn't it interesting that the video the fan created for "Whatever Happens" starts off with MJ being in the dark and ends with him going back into the dark with both hands out? Isn't it interesting the fan that placed the recording of "For All Time" on youtube chose a picture of a person standing outside at the start of a new day and left it at that only?

Which song is it that came out in 2004 that tells us someone came to MJ in the dark and took his hand? It is the song "The Way You Love Me." And it falls right in place with the way that MJ's messages with the CD's changed in 2003 and started mentioning the word love.

He was comforted. Before we saw the actual word "happy" written on paper in his own penmanship, we were listening to it.

This concludes today's sound check.

Until next time....
 
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What if these are nothing more than romantic songs, something he just feels inside and not necessarily due to any type of relationship. People write things sometimes because of a longing they have inside and it's a place that their imagination takes them. It's not always necessarily from experiences. He does have a different energy you can see it in his demeanor in the pictures we've seen recently. But, I think his happiness is more recent rather than from the past.

oh well, jmo...carry on:popcorn:
 
Thank you queen g :flowers: and yes I am happy and proud of myself when I finish something, it's like your baby, something inside of you and it came to life. It's a very good feeling :)

I'm just glad he's smiling and so happy :)
 
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