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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

STATEofSHOCK said:
Babe you're so cute ehehe :lol: just wanted to get that said

It does, sounds so fun after returning from work, really adds to the romantic comedy this thread sometimes reads as to me lol or melodrama if you just go by the stuff I've posted alone! lol (and y'all know me so the following won't surprise some people (and I'm ready for those predictable PMS!! lol) ...ok here comes to big important words in all caps....one is,

.....HOWEVER,

yes I said it, and hoping not to give anyone that 'bubbles-bursted' feeling I've been accused of at times and rightfully so I regret, at times and I apologize if I can be brusque sometimes with 'letting people down' hard instead of easily and pleasantly [ok here comes the second big huge wrod in all caps....]

BUT

there is something I have to remind 'us' all of, so that we all continue to maintain a nice firm grip on the actuality of it all if I may be so audactious as to all it that....

and that is....

by sating the all too obvious yet easy to forget always in our face fact, and that which we all know most about MJ (which is confusing me on the last post moddie because) we all know MJ loves and lives for the children, the children of the world, the little children of the world, he loves what Jesus said and did that's who he's been being, with the children, for the children, you know he lives for God first and foremost then God's beloved or 'masterpeice' , the children, who show him God everytime he sees their face

I think MJ called them, something like that, MJ loves the children of the world with all his heart and being and we know this, he lives for them, he said (how many times) that if the children dissappear off the planet, he's done (talk about melodrama I love it lol sorryy MJ, yeh we can all see you actually doing your fine and loverly self in, suuuuuuuuuuuuuure ok dahlink whatever you say.whisteling:

.yet I,/we know he feels it true which is why he said it, (and I might would lose but I don't doubt that I'd feel confdent that I'd win in a bet by suggesting....) that if all (and ok surely the brother know himself better than I don't mind me I'm just a screaming 9 year old watching TV OK?.....or 19 year old readn' a magazine.....or 39 year old holding down my own life...y'all get the idea ) I'm just saaaayinn......

.I just feel that if indeed all the children vanished off the planet the first thing that I personally feel (and I know some of you will feel me and PM me that too cause I know y'all) I feel the first thing he might actually do is beg God why oh why oh how oh how oh God how can this be, then with MJ's patient yet kinda hyperish sorta or shall I just say, energetic, nature he'd keep busy, allowing time to pass and I feel time would unfold the answer clearly from God for him and he'd find out God's will, and maybe not without having the wretched grief and lament the wretched sense of loss, and feel like he can't or shouldn't go on >>>>>, (I can't live my life without you = You Are My Life = you are my oxygen, oxygen is the only thing a person cannot live without for the shortest amount of time as far as anything OUTSIDE a person...

maybe, as usual, I'm taking something way too seriously and missing some point, I just feel we should remember that if we're to believe he sings it because he means something he said when he was a child (who knows if he still feels that way). then he sings songs about children because he means it, OK, anyway, that's my potentially bubble busten reminder to the spectators of this thread who are ronantically rapt in the story,:wub: let's keep our grip...ok, ok.

Many fans work with children have y'all ever noticed that?) so I feel its entirely possible that when Michael writes to his fans he is writing to his fans because the fans are his OTHER inspiration (apart from the children, this has always been so, I believe) and his fans know when he's writing to them,



as some might would suggest, the same may be true about "her" - I may have my varying hypotheses but that's not one of them though but I've yapped long enough, I just wanted to remind us (gently for the sake of die hard Somone In the Dark - The Movie" thread fansLOL :lol: ) that MJ truly loves the children and has been living for them, the children, ever since he became and "adult" and had the ability to determine that no child should ever experience some of the things he did as a child and has dedicated his adult existence to seeing to it insofar as it depends on him,

first and foremost, y'all know that but y'all are intoxicated by the poppies :wub: so this is just a bit of smelling salt LOL but I know y'all know this I'm saying about MJ is true,., ...guh 'head....admit it
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I feel ya, I hear ya. :) And something that Quincy Jones (I think) said on the Bad album Special edition was that Michael's songs are NEARLY ALWAYS autobiographical...either something he has/is experiencing/feeling, or that he is resisting. But that, in some manner, in a big way, are about himself. In lieu of speaking much, he sings his life. And regarding his love for fans, see my post earlier.

Children are a major passion of his, as they are to me. And music is his mode of communication. But even more than these, is his love for God, which you have stated. The love he has for kids is something on a level deeper than I think most people understand. It is a Godly, heartfelt, innocent love. He knows that our future depends on the kids. How COULD we go on without them? Jesus said to be like the little children...well if they get wiped out, how could life go on? How could faith continue? How could people see the face of Jesus if there were no little eyes to look into? Where would our inspiration be? Michael wants the children of this world to be happy and healthy. That is an extremely daunting task, but with his power and influence, he is able to make a huge difference. His own kids mean the world to him, and he is doing right in the way he raises them. Michael's love for everything and everybody is Christ-like. You cannot separate the man from faith he lives and breathes. He is so in tune with the spiritual and with his own spirit, seemingly, that the two are glued together.

His note that remarked about subconciousness, being God, confused me for a little bit, before I recognized what he meant and that he had said similar things before, in poetry. For a while it struck me as arrogant, then I realized, well, as Christians, our bodies are the temple, the dwelling place, of the Lord. His Holy Spirit lives and dwells in us (and I don't know how many of you here understand that), and some are more attuned to that fact than others are. Anyway, in a sense, "the two become one". We are NOT God, by any means, but "our subconcious knows the Truth, and keeps us reminded so that we have the chance to become His people." (a line from another of my old poems). Our subconcious, is that little voice inside all of us. Who is it? It is God Himself, talking to us. And when we heed to our subconcious, we live in the light, we become one with Him, and have an eternal and loving relationship with Him.

Not preachin', just talkin', it's late at night and I do lots of speculation and thinking during my "me" time. :) MJ has LOTS and LOTS of love: God first, family second, children third, music fourth, fans fifth perhaps. And with MJ, I think there is only a very very miniscule gap between each in his level of love for each. Almost all of them I think are just about equal. He is so very passionate about all of them. :) MJ is "in love" with all of them.
 
yw Babe, positive lil spirit

AllForMJ said:
He is really feeling good these days. As we can see, he has finally let us know how happy he is. Notice that he didn't say, "You make me so happy." He said, "You make me soooo happy." :D

For months we have been saying he is happy and now he has confirmed it himself. This is GREAT NEWS, you guys!!! :yes:

We were not misreading him at all!! Yay!!

Also, there is a way to see if he's speaking to his fans more. I'll show you in a little bit. I'm typing it right now and will post it very soon...tonight. LOL I promise. Tonight, okay? LOL And I will eventually finish the story too. It takes a little more time because I'm trying to be descriptive.

Be back...tooooonight. :lol:
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maaaan where's a red faced, breath-holding emoticon when y' need one :lol:

I edited my long post a lil bit, that mjrox quoted above btw y'all, still long but easier read
 
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STATEofSHOCK said:
Babe you're so cute ehehe :lol: just wanted to get that said

It sounds really sweet moddie and I don't doubt MJ is that kind of guy, I feel he's proven that with enough people, and seeing the new addition to the thread after returning home really adds to the romantic comedy this thread sometimes reads as to me lol (Sleepless in Seattle gotz nothin' on this!) or melodrama if you just go by the stuff I've posted alone! lol but ..... so ..... ok here comes the big important word in all caps....that is,

.....HOWEVER,

all that is nice and sweet and everything, however, MJ loves and lives for the children, the children of the world, the little children of the world, he loves what Jesus said and did that's who he's been being, with the children, for the children, you know he lives for God first and foremost then God's beloved or 'masterpeice' , the children, who show him God everytime he sees their face

I think MJ called them, something like that, MJ loves the children of the world with all his heart and being and we know this, he lives for them because they're like fresh air to his spirit, he said (how many times) that if the children dissappear off the planet, he's done (talk about melodrama sorry MJ lol I love it lol sorry I know you mean it bcuz you feel it, but on the sarcastic side now, yeh surely you would instantly think to waste all that *looking you up and down and loking through those windows to your heart* mmmm I don't feel so

.anyway,

I,/we know he feels it true which is why he said it, (and I might would lose but I don't doubt that I'd feel confdent that I'd win in a bet by suggesting....) that if all (and ok surely the brother know himself better than I don't mind me I'm just a screaming 9 year old watching TV OK?.....or 19 year old readn' a magazine.....or 39 year old holding down my own life...y'all get the idea ) I'm just saaaayinn......

.I just feel that if indeed all the children vanished off the planet the first thing that I personally feel the first thing he might actually do is beg God why oh why oh how oh how oh God how can this be, then with MJ's patient yet kinda hyperish sorta or shall I just say, energetic, nature he'd keep busy, allowing time to pass and I feel time would unfold the answer clearly from God for him and he'd find out God's will, and maybe not without having the wretched grief and lament the wretched sense of loss, and feel like he can't or shouldn't go on >>>>>,but I feel ultimate he'd still be seeking God's face which he saw in the children

at the same time I believe children inspired You Are My Life and so many other songs which say that, eg.,
(I can't live my life without you = You Are My Life = you are my oxygen, oxygen is the only thing a person cannot live without for the shortest amount of time as far as anything OUTSIDE a person...so he gets breath, LIFE from the children which of course is why he feels so passionately to express so dramatically what children being on the planet, mean to him

maybe, as usual, I'm taking something way too seriously and missing some point, I just feel we should remember that if we're to believe he sings it because he means something he said when he was a child (who knows if he still feels that way). then he sings songs about children because he means it, OK, anyway, that's my potentially bubble busten reminder to the spectators of this thread who are ronantically rapt in the story,:wub: let's keep our grip...ok, ok.

Many fans work with children have y'all ever noticed that?) so I feel its entirely possible that when Michael writes to his fans he is writing to his fans because the fans are his OTHER inspiration (apart from the children, this has always been so, I believe) and his fans know when he's writing to them,



as some might would suggest, the same may be true about "her" - I may have my varying hypotheses but that's not one of them though but I've yapped long enough, I just wanted to remind us (gently for the sake of die hard Somone In the Dark - The Movie" thread fansLOL :lol: ) that MJ truly loves the children and has been living for them, the children, ever since he became and "adult" and had the ability to determine that no child should ever experience some of the things he did as a child and has dedicated his adult existence to seeing to it insofar as it depends on him,

first and foremost, y'all know that but y'all are intoxicated by the poppies :wub: so this is just a bit of smelling salt LOL but I know y'all know this I'm saying about MJ is true,., ...guh 'head....admit it and we can move right along with this Don Quixoteesque stuff we've got going with MJ's lyrics :cheeky: :unsure: I'll bback to edit this long, messy read soon if i can...sorryaboutthat
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:D phew that is better. What a read. You are pretty cute yourself there missy. I loved following you all around your thoughts and emotions in this post. So now that you got that out and we can all say aye aye, ya know what you are sayin. Agreed... can you tap out that other hypothesis on your keyboard for us :D (or that's probably asking too much now hey?)

I really like what you wrote here. Your essay is a teensy bit late, but all's forgiven now ;) that more than made up for it. (LOL like you owe ME anything..ahhahah)

I also wondered about that bit of him saying when he was a kid that he only sings what he means or what comes from his heart or something. Does that still apply? (I think so.. but that's just a guess)

You are so right about how he is with children though. It's one of the things that make him such a beautiful human being. He truly cares for all the children of the world...and the fans :) and PEOPLE.. he cares. It is sincere and it does show. Look at him caring for us from those letters "Be alive, be free... (or was it feel alive, feel free?) anyways, he WANTS those things he is finally experiencing here again, for US. He wants the fans to experience it too. He's got that close relationship with God and wants us to feel Gods presence as well. Isn't that precious? I love it, and I do believe you are right with what you are saying SOS. :) Thank you for writing and editing and all that. (It IS clearer now)
 
AllForMJ said:
:lol: You are SO funny, STATEofSHOCK!! :lol:
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I knew you were gonna be dun come back with a one-liner :lol: glad I didn't get my hopes up

:D phew that is better. What a read. You are pretty cute yourself there missy.
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aw thanks :giggle: aren't we all

I loved following you all around your thoughts and emotions in this post. So now that you got that out and we can all say aye aye, ya know what you are sayin. Agreed... can you tap out that other hypothesis on your keyboard for us :D (or that's probably asking too much now hey?)
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oikay but I'm gonna consider my essay quota to be met ;)

no I just feel that there has to be ambiguity sometimes because of speaking to all his fans and one (I feel) always should be warry of reading "into" something like that because MJ is "married" to his fans so that relationship has a special "intimacy" exclusively between MJ and them, spiritually, not to be interferred with by any one person presuming he is directing his communication at "her".

At the sme time, just as the relationship with fans is precious and has its special brand of spiritual intimacy, so does the one on one he has as well and therefore there must also be times where there is no doubt and his communication is received loud and clear, signed, sealed and delivered by Spirit
so to a degree I agree but again, if this is true then I can't imagine it always being easy, not if its the only form of communication at this point and maybe its just the price of fame they endure "together" in this way we've been discussing, until the time comes for person to person interaction..

I really like what you wrote here. Your essay is a teensy bit late, but all's forgiven now ;) that more than made up for it. (LOL like you owe ME anything..ahhahah)

I also wondered about that bit of him saying when he was a kid that he only sings what he means or what comes from his heart or something. Does that still apply? (I think so.. but that's just a guess)
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Yes, since he hasn't addressed that since childhood as far as you or I know anyway, it is a good question.

You are so right about how he is with children though. It's one of the things that make him such a beautiful human being. He truly cares for all the children of the world...and the fans :) and PEOPLE.. he cares. It is sincere and it does show. Look at him caring for us from those letters "Be alive, be free... (or was it feel alive, feel free?) anyways, he WANTS those things he is finally experiencing here again, for US. He wants the fans to experience it too. He's got that close relationship with God and wants us to feel Gods presence as well. Isn't that precious? I love it, and I do believe you are right with what you are saying SOS. :) Thank you for writing and editing and all that. (It IS clearer now)
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Yes he seems to genuinely care about people, and I'm reminded of the line in TGIM 25 where he says, you know you know I carrrrrrrre (i think is the line) which shows obviously he seems tobe expressing caring fo one person as well as a multitude.
 
Okay, here goes...

Here's a look at his "Thank You's" and/or dedications to children, his fans, his friends and God. I pulled this from his CD covers in chronolgical order. Please note, I'm missing some of the albums. If you have "Dangerous," "History - Past, Present and Future, Book 1," or "Blood On The Dancefloor," please post his "Thank You" messages to the fans. It would be greatly appreciated. Also, note that I've typed this out the way it appears in his blooklets.

Additionally, these are "Thank You's" from his "solo" albums only to show how much he has been opening up and how he is showing that he's now feeling love coming to him and he doesn't feel vulnerable. He's embracing it.

Off The Wall
I dedicate this to the year of the child and my mother - Love M.J.

Thriller
Thanks to all my fans and friends worldwide and Shirley "Ms. International" Brooks.

Bad
Our deepest gratitude to the Creator for the tireless efforts of those who generously gave of themselves - creatively, physically and spirtually in the making of this music. MJ and Q.J.

Michael Jackson - Greatest Hits - HIStory Volume 1
To honor the children of the world, I vow to keep my promise to help the sick and dying, the alone, homeless and hungry, through the construction of children's hospitals and orphanages in every needy corner of the world. Love, Michael Jackson

With These Words, I Lovingly Dedicate This Album Of My Music To All The Children Of The World: Let Us Dream of Tomorrow, where our Children are Nurtured, and Protected and Nourished. Let us Dream of Peace and Harmony and Laughter.

Invincible
A special thanks to all the children of the world...of all nationalities...you are my greatest inspiration...without you, this album would never have been released. I love you all...Michael Jackson

Number Ones
To The Fans...worldwide...my deepest gratitude for your love, loyalty and endless support. I Love You All, Michael Jackson

The Ultimate Collection
A VERY SPECIAL THANKS AND DEEPEST APPRECIATION TO MY FANS...FROM THE "EARLY" YEARS TO THE PRESENT...I AM ALWAYS SO MOVED BY THE BEAUTY OF YOUR SELFLESS LOVE AND ENDURING DEDICATION...

Thriller 25
Front of Booklet:

To My Fans Around The World
I would like to thank you for helping to make Thriller the biggest selling album of all time.

As we celebrate the 25th Anniversary of Thriller, I know that I would not have been able to reach any of the historic accomplishments associated with this album, without the love and continued support of you...my fan.

I hope you will enjoy the new and previously unreleased bonus tracks included in the 25th Anniversary Edition, as well as the new remixes by my friends, Akon, will.i.am, Fergie, and Kanye West.

I've worked very hard to make this a memorable CD, and am hoping that you will enjoy it.

Thanks again from the bottom of my heart!

Sincerely,

Michael Jackson

Thriller 25
Back of Booklet
To all my fans and friends around the world who love and support me, and who have always been there for me and my family, throughout my entire career, I thank you and I love you, from the bottom of my heart.

Now......

Notice that it is around the "Number Ones" CD, which he released in October 2003, that he first said, "my deepest gratitude for your love." This shows the love started coming to him between the "Invincible" CD and the "Number Ones" CD. From "Number Ones" forward, he starts mentioning love and support that's coming to him. And as you can see, he perked up. You can feel it in his words. What love song is at the end of the "Number Ones" CD? It is "One More Chance."

In 2001, he was unhappy. It was in his eyes. When did he start smiling again? It was in 2002.

What love songs were at the end of "The Ultimate Collection?" "Beautiful Girl" and "The Way You Love Me."

What song was at the end of "Thriller 25?" It was "For All Time."

He went from giving and giving and giving between "Off The Wall" and "Invincible" to finally receiving love when he got to "Number Ones." And now we've been hearing him expressing what he feels and what it's doing..

:yes:

Example: "I feel your love."

Also, he's not mentioning material things in any of these love songs. He's not mentioning money, jewelry or trips around the world, yet he's still being loved. He's got a reason to be beaming. He's not being used. He's just being cared about.

How's this for a one-liner, STATEofSHOCK? Did I do okay? :lol:
 
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Thanks again SOS.

Everytime I read that MJ is "married" to his fans, my heart beats fast.. just kidding. I just smile!!! :p I wonder if anyone feels like a school girl again when he said/says this?? OT sorry.. :giggle:

But you guys are doing good!!! verrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyy GOOD! :punk:
 
Can I go back to sleep, lol. Tired. But I wanna say a few things,

I've tried to read over what I missed. Will have to come back to it a little later. I need to point out a few things, I thought of these things about a month ago but this thread was moving so fast, I kept forgetting.

As you know, there will be times when we differ with the interpretations. NO single interpreatation is meant to take away from anything Michael has ever said to us or for us in the past. Yes, he loves his fans very much, he loves children too and would never harm them. We know these things about him, because he has put that kind of energy out their from the beginning and he has made those things very clear even to those in the media who have interviewed him over the years. We have known for a longtime, how in his heart and mind; he believes and feels he has a special relationship with his fans.
Loving this woman, being loved by her doesn't take away from his love for us. As someone elese pointed out, he has alot of love to give us all.
We don't know what he is going to surprise us with next. There will be times when he will like he has done recently; PUT OUT clues that will be SCREAMING for an interpretation and obvious in meaning for the interpreter.
Because we love him and so many of us ( fans from various forums) become sensitive or upset by certain things, I have actually made a conscience decision to "not go there", when I feel I can interpret something that may cause a rift or uneasy feelings in this thread. This is difficult now only because Michael is being more and more direct.
I have asked for help through a PM to the only person I know that can lend help to me in this area, but I have recieved no response. This has been several weeks ago.
My interpretations DO NOT mean this is the actual 100% truth. Michael is putting these things out for the whole world to see and I have noticed Big Time and so have you. He wants us to see.
Like most of you I have become addicted to this thread, lol. Need detox from it, lol.
A few of you have begun PMing me about this thread, I really appreciate what you have said to me.
With Michael's new music/projects/performances upcoming, there is bound to be more direct clues from him.
Think about how we should proceed with this thread so no one's feelings get hurt.
Do you feel me on this????
 
I don't think anyone's feelings get hurt. We won't all agree on things, and sometimes feel a need to be cautious in how things are said out of respect for each other and out of respect for Michael and his possible lady. There is also the possibility of seeing what we want to see until something is certain to be one way or another. Maybe I am contradicting myself by saying I think you shouldn't feel worried about saying how you interpret things because in the past I've said I don't think we should be trying to figure out who the lady is or her physical attributes but ah.. I don't know. Maybe that's fine to do as well. I just had thought that the "who" isn't a place we should go until, or unless he goes there or somehow introduces her to the world first. Because what if we come up with some image that is so clear (we think) and then when or if that times comes that he does show the world (or fans) his lady, if she happens to look different to how we have formed her from possible clues, then some fans might reject her or say this is just a decoy or what not, that it isn't a REAL marriage (if they are married) like they had said with Debbie. Would that be fair to either of them? OR would we just learn to adjust our image of her in our heads and accept the new real one, because we are bound to get something wrong or messed up when it comes to such details. If we would be able to drop our formed image in exchange for the actual lady, then I guess it'd be fine to bring in the details like that. Unless you actually know who she is for real, I think it's probable to get some of those details wrong. SO yeah.. if it is me you are worried about, don't worry. I think as long as we aren't taking it as fact and just as a possibility, then nothing wrong with it. (and if you know who she is, invite her on over so she can tell us how close we are to the truth..lol ;) )
 
Ape, I get the point of your post, however the point of mine, was Never about naming her. We have agreed chapters ago that, that is for Michael alone to do. I stand for and agree with that.

Because Michael's clues have become more and more direct it is getting harder and harder to interpret WITHOUT
making a wrong move and causing drama in our lovely thread.

I hope this makes sense.
 
:) I think so.

Then (speaking for myself) please do say everything on your mind about it. I would love to hear the added observations you've made. I think the only way people would be upset with what is said about various observations is if some of us might have someone in our minds about who it could be, and even then I think people could understand that we all will have our unique perspectives on this and maybe even some guesses as to who it could be. At this stage it isn't even about right or wrong since he hasn't given us a way to know for sure by having someone on his arms etc.

You could be 100% right in your interpretation. I know he adored and still does adore Diana Ross. She is beautiful. You can see his adoration for her in quite recent videos. I love watching him blush when she sits on his knee and sings directly to him. I don't know if it is her he sings about. It is probably someone who isn't even in the public eye.. or maybe could be. I know many fans think it is Grace, another gorgeous woman who has been close to him and stuck by him through difficult times. ...but as was said, it's not about WHO... that will be left for Michael to show us if he wishes...oh..and her. haha
 
So people i found this about Black butterlies maybe some of you can interpret it ...

The butterfly symbolises the metamorphosis through life, from infancy to old age. White butterflies represent rebirth and renewal, black butterflies represent death though not necessarily an ending.

In Ireland, it was believed that black butterflies were the souls of the dead, who were forced to wander the earth because they couldn't find their way to the Afterlife.

The Haida, in the Canadian Pacific northwest, the Butterfly was considered as the companion of Raven the Creator-Trickster. Some viewed the Butterfly with black ("raven-colored") wings.

Itzpapalotl was a local Aztec fire-goddess. She was also known as also known as the "obsidian butterfly" because of her black or black-banded wings.

Witches were supposed to be able to transform into various animals, the butterfly being one of them. While in butterfly-form their wings were black (to camouflage them in the night), which aided them in their flights to the dairy to steal milk, cheese and butter.
 
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BLACK BUTTERLY is used for faith; the meaning is that it is the Greek goddess of reincarnation. I recall responding back with an "I Ching" (form of chinese tarot told with coins) in virtue #52: The Standstill which is also the message of the rune "Isa".

However, the butterfly assumed a more menacing aspect to the Aztecs in Mexico. The goddess Itzpapálotl, or Obsidian Butterfly, was represented as a strong ferocious goddess with butterfly wings and big claws on her hands and feet. In Mexico, many people still believe that a black butterfly at the door portends an impending death.
 
You're welcome..it's not my thread to say, but I really would like to hear what you have to say and sorry if it came across wrong. Well I don't know how I come across on here. I hope you don't think I'd have a problem with your interpretation being right. I don't at all, I just didn't want people to not accept her if she wasn't what you think. That was all. But then I've seen some people who don't think he would fall for a black woman and that is so wrong. He has before and nothing saying he wouldn't again. He is PROUD of his black heritage. People who aren't fans don't know that because of the vitiligo and idiotic media reports trying to make him seem like he isn't proud of it and he wants to change his skin colour. That's not the case as we fans know. So I'm sorry if I in any way might have come across as one of the ones who thinks he wouldn't fall in love with a black woman. It's not how I think AT ALL. I was more feeling like you thought if she isn't black then she's not good enough for him. But maybe I read you wrong. I just hate that there is any racism in this world..so I tend to try to remove race from any equation, but maybe that's not the way to go either. Anyways.. sorry if that's how I came across, or if I misunderstood you as well.
 
With no disrepect intended...

We should not have to apoligze to anyone for sharing our respectful interpretations, thoughts, feelings...

We as human beings cannot help who WE fall "in love" with...wether we are Black, White, Green, Blue, Red, Yellow, or Orange...its NOT what is on the outside that counts...its all about the inside..!

My goodness gracious, have we not YET learned what and who Mr. Jackson is all about..?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI9OYMRwN1Q

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In Greek mythology it is the symbol of a dark beauty- or someone who has ill intentions but it pretty. It was used to describe Harpies and Dark Wood Nymphs. (Though the Raven feather was used to illustrate Harpies also).
-In Sidhe Mythology, the Black Butterfy is the symbol of the Unseelie Faerie Court. (Sidhe is Scottish, northern Irish, and Welsh).
-In one branch of Courrissier Black Arts (a french black magick), A Black Butterfly wing will aid you with cunning, slyness, and seduction.
-To find a dead black butterfly in Medieval England was an omen of a death of a relative.
 
Sdeidjs said:
With no disrepect intended...

We should not have to apoligze to anyone for sharing our respectful interpretations, thoughts, feelings...

We as human beings cannot help who WE fall "in love" with...wether we are Black, White, Green, Blue, Red, Yellow, or Orange...its NOT what is on the outside that counts...its all about the inside..!

My goodness gracious, have we not YET learned what and who Mr. Jackson is all about..?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI9OYMRwN1Q

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u tell them susie go girl
 
I don't think anyone was thinking contrary to that.

I guess this is what was meant when you said you gotta be careful how things are presented so as to not cause drama?

I don't know who you were referring to Sdeidjs, but I think we all agree with you there. Just some misunderstandings.
 
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Okay, here goes...

Here's a look at his "Thank You's" and/or dedications to children, his fans, his friends and God. I pulled this from his CD covers in chronolgical order. Please note, I'm missing some of the albums. If you have "Dangerous," "History - Past, Present and Future, Book 1," or "Blood On The Dancefloor," please post his "Thank You" messages to the fans. It would be greatly appreciated. Also, note that I've typed this out the way it appears in his blooklets.

Additionally, these are "Thank You's" from his "solo" albums only to show how much he has been opening up and how he is showing that he's now feeling love coming to him and he doesn't feel vulnerable. He's embracing it.

Off The Wall
I dedicate this to the year of the child and my mother - Love M.J.

Thriller
Thanks to all my fans and friends worldwide and Shirley "Ms. International" Brooks.

Bad
Our deepest gratitude to the Creator for the tireless efforts of those who generously gave of themselves - creatively, physically and spirtually in the making of this music. MJ and Q.J.

Michael Jackson - Greatest Hits - HIStory Volume 1
To honor the children of the world, I vow to keep my promise to help the sick and dying, the alone, homeless and hungry, through the construction of children's hospitals and orphanages in every needy corner of the world. Love, Michael Jackson

With These Words, I Lovingly Dedicate This Album Of My Music To All The Children Of The World: Let Us Dream of Tomorrow, where our Children are Nurtured, and Protected and Nourished. Let us Dream of Peace and Harmony and Laughter.

Invincible
A special thanks to all the children of the world...of all nationalities...you are my greatest inspiration...without you, this album would never have been released. I love you all...Michael Jackson

Number Ones
To The Fans...worldwide...my deepest gratitude for your love, loyalty and endless support. I Love You All, Michael Jackson

The Ultimate Collection
A VERY SPECIAL THANKS AND DEEPEST APPRECIATION TO MY FANS...FROM THE "EARLY" YEARS TO THE PRESENT...I AM ALWAYS SO MOVED BY THE BEAUTY OF YOUR SELFLESS LOVE AND ENDURING DEDICATION...

Thriller 25
Front of Booklet:

To My Fans Around The World
I would like to thank you for helping to make Thriller the biggest selling album of all time.

As we celebrate the 25th Anniversary of Thriller, I know that I would not have been able to reach any of the historic accomplishments associated with this album, without the love and continued support of you...my fan.

I hope you will enjoy the new and previously unreleased bonus tracks included in the 25th Anniversary Edition, as well as the new remixes by my friends, Akon, will.i.am, Fergie, and Kanye West.

I've worked very hard to make this a memorable CD, and am hoping that you will enjoy it.

Thanks again from the bottom of my heart!

Sincerely,

Michael Jackson

Thriller 25
Back of Booklet
To all my fans and friends around the world who love and support me, and who have always been there for me and my family, throughout my entire career, I thank you and I love you, from the bottom of my heart.

Now......

Notice that it is around the "Number Ones" CD, which he released in October 2003, that he first said, "my deepest gratitude for your love." This shows the love started coming to him between the "Invincible" CD and the "Number Ones" CD. From "Number Ones" forward, he starts mentioning love and support that's coming to him. And as you can see, he perked up. You can feel it in his words. What love song is at the end of the "Number Ones" CD? It is "One More Chance."

In 2001, he was unhappy. It was in his eyes. When did he start smiling again? It was in 2002.

What love songs were at the end of "The Ultimate Collection?" "Beautiful Girl" and "The Way You Love Me."

What song was at the end of "Thriller 25?" It was "For All Time."

He went from giving and giving and giving between "Off The Wall" and "Invincible" to finally receiving love when he got to "Number Ones." And now we've been hearing him expressing what he feels and what it's doing..

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Example: "I feel your love."

Also, he's not mentioning material things in any of these love songs. He's not mentioning money, jewelry or trips around the world, yet he's still being loved. He's got a reason to be beaming. He's not being used. He's just being cared about.

How's this for a one-liner, STATEofSHOCK? Did I do okay? :lol:
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:lol: you did great, and as for your analysis all I can say is, I never woulda thoughtta that and ok if you say so, I mean I can see what you mean and do see the progression you speak of although I'm hesitant to conclude his intentions from it, afterall, couldn't he always have said something like, "and to you, you know who you are" or something... (i dunno).....but its interesting as is all the rest and it fits

cleopatra I've been trying to figure out where you're going with the myth of the black butterfly and I can't so if there's a positive in all that death-talk please share :lol:

There are positives and negatives (myths etc.) associated with every color eg., the devil is symbolized by red and yet so is fire and fast cars, yellow symbolizes cowardice (eg., yellow belly) and yet so is sunshine and canaries, lying and covering up are symbolized by white (eg., to whitewash) yet so is snow and purity death symbolizes black but so does elegance (eg., black tie), expertise (eg., black belt) and mystery (eg., pitch black, dark as night) etc. and we could go on and on we could go.

I hope it wasn't my post of those youtube links that have anyone feeling turbulant feelings around color. I don't think its the color on MJ's lapels that are significant to him, its the butterflies and there could be any number reasons they happen to be black eg, Black Butterfly is the name of a publisher of children't books and we know how much MJ loves children's books, maybe there's a connection there, or Black Butterfies could symbolize the two of "them" flying free, undetected in the "dark" lol to hopefully get this thread back on track :wink:

I agree with sdeidjs - we all know that love, true love, has NO COLOR and we all know that racism is the one thing MJ would rid the world completely of with a snap of a finger if he could and no one should feel to apologize for an interpretation, imho..

moddie777 I hope you don't feel I was directing my focus on 'children' toward your sharing, I wasn't at all. I enjoy your insights and wish you'd feel free to share openly. I feel its a given that no interpretations imply 100% accuracy of fact, which is part of what makes this 'mystery' so intriguing, so please know my post was not directed at you - it was primarily to serve as a reminder to onlookers (who are huge fans of this thread but not posting) that we have not, nor can we forget that MJ's love for the children is real and I do believe that when he says he is living for the children he's talking about all the children of the world. Now does that exclude any children "she" might have? Why of course not. Yes, MJ is indeed that kind of guy and I get what you were saying. It made a lot of sense to me. As I said to AllforMJ, I never woulda thought of half the things you post but it makes the thread interesting. Is it conclusive? Well, afterall, this is all a mystery so, of course not, but its intelligent, stimulating and fun :giggle: and I think everyone who posts in here loves love :yes: :) I
 
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For many years MJ felt that he could only trust children because children would not ask him for things like money. They didn't have any hidden motives for wanting to be his friend. They just wanted to have fun with him and great fun with him they had.

For many years, he really wouldn't let the ladies have him because he always felt that they were just trying to get with him for fame and fortune. He would wonder what they were up to if they were trying to get close to him. He had to guard his heart and his riches.

He had to be careful about who he got with because as we know, some will get with a him just to have his baby and keep him bound. Yank that cord whenever she wanted to place a demand on him. We recently saw some of that. What a pity indeed.

Some would get with him just to became famous themselves all while riding on his name that he built from the ground up. Just walk into this man's life and take off in flight without doing any real work. Instant stardom. What's being said in "Dirty Diana?" "I'll be your everything if you make me a star." Wow, what kind of crap is that? Seems to be the kind of crap that happens to him a lot.

Raw deal after raw deal. Where could he turn with that same thing happening over and over again? Seems like he started coming up different ways to not get played. Thinking...if she has her own name and fame there won't be any hidden games. Well, that wasn't always true, was it? So, where does a guy like him turn? What would he do? What could he do?

Seems like he said, "Well, if I'm going to be in a relationship, guess I gotta give 'em what they want." Next thing you know he's sing about what he will give them and all while doing that, he's still getting his heart broken. Dang. Can't win for losing.

You look back at his "Thank You's" in his album cover and you can see he's sorta staying away from the adults. He's mainly thanking the children in this album and CD covers. Afterall, they are the only ones that were not stabbing him in the back. They just wanted to be his friend. His thank you messages even sound much like pledges. In exchange for their friendship he's building things for them. He's putting money into hospitals, places they live when they don't have parents, giving them gifts just like Santa Claus. He gives them days of fun with all expenses paid. Hey, he doesn't mind. These are his little friends. They have lots of laughs together.

But, he still loves women and was longing for a relationship. What did the women want? Things that cost money. So what was he doing? Giving them money? Yep. That and diamonds and pearls. Great trips around the world. Days and nights with the elite. The finest of everything. Did it mean he would be ammune to heartbreak. Nope, doesn't seem like it.

But wait. When we look back at the words in his CD covers there's a change. We know he still loves children, he said so in the LWMJ documentary, but still something's a little bit different. We can look at these words in his CD covers that shows something is different. The messages do not mention children starting in 2003, although we know they are still the joy of his life. They are his buddies. Something is still different though. Take a look. You will see it.

He's talking about love that's coming to him. In one message he said the love was selfless love. This is deep. Oh wait. He's even using the word deep...deeply that is. Why the sudden change? It gets even more interesting. If you have not overlooked it. Do you need a clue, or can I point it out for you? Okay. Will do.

In one of his most recent messages he said, "I am living for you, and the children." Did you catch that? Simple...simple..simple.

He's now talking to the adults and the children. Can only mean one thing...

Someone that's not a young playmate allowed him to trust them. They passed the test. They did not seek material things like the rest. Love instead was put forth and now he's not guarding his heart, but has instead opened the door. And the words of the most recent love songs do not sound like the ones before.

"I am living for you, and the children" is what he's recently said. We almost let that slip by. It almost went over our heads. What a lovely change in this man with the famous name.

Who caused it? That's for him to say.

Can we try to figure out her color? Nope, because he's Mr. International. His love for women goes many different ways.

So the love story continues as the mystery unfolds, and we'll have to wait for the romantic one to let us all know.
 
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:scratch: ok .... maybe I'm being naive to ask this but since he said he's married to his fans, you don't think he's living "for" his fans? And they have shown him an enduring dedication so wouldn't that be a good thing for him to acknowledge?

Wouldn't that be a good reason for him to express that he is living for them? Seeing him at his birthday party in 2003 showed me that he could easily feel that way. Was that when he said, "you ain't seen nothing yet?" or something along those lines, to let fans know there is much more to come for them, born to entertain, and be a star, and grateful for an appreciative fan base = living for his fans = "I live for you" - and he's free now to express himself so he said (for a change again, back to his old self) "and the children"

:scratch: no?

Seems to me he could easily mean that >>>>because his fans love him, and he loves THAT - the fact that they do - so I'm not seeing that having a double meaning (Ape, this is an example of what I was trying to say in answer to your second essay question :wink: )

AllforMJ to answer your question about whether in 2003 there is a noticeable change, one thing I notice is that its the first time MJ used the word support. That stayed with me from the first time I ever saw the word used in connection with him - reminded me of the first time I saw an inkling of the Sony mess and I feel that had a lot to do with his sadness during the Sony/MSG era but that's getting a bit off topic, but yes I noticed that, and I noticed it started the progression of messages wherein thereafter he no longer mentions the children but you already said that, I think.

:scratch: may need another hiint
 
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Cleopatra, Thank you for sharing what you had here too, I couldn't really figure it out though either. Still it was interesting to read.

SOS I tried to say it in a rep point but couldn't cause I need to spread the love around some first..lol. I really enjoyed all you said in your post, especially about the colours. They can mean so many things, Red is also for love and passion and death all at once. I liked the Black Butterfly songs you sent too. I think we are all starting to feel like we have been misunderstood and need to walk on eggshells so as not to upset anyone but I have a feeling that we all feel the same about it.

I think we all respect each other in here and see everyone will have a unique perspective on the topic and each see different things in the same information presented.

AllForMJ Absolutely brilliant post I thought. I gave you rep for it but not sure if you get to see those. You broke it down so well and I could totally understand it how you wrote it. That's really special if it is how it is, and it seems to be.
 
^ Ape thanks for the compliment (and yes I got your "rep" message thanks for the rep point that was sweet) , first of all. Secondly, since you understand it so well and AllforMJ isn't here atm, maybe you could explain it to me


:baby: cause I'm am LOST! (yes a lost child lol)

What is it that makes you say this with such startliing clarity like you had a big "aha" moment:


AllForMJ Absolutely brilliant post I thought. I gave you rep for it but not sure if you get to see those. You broke it down so well and I could totally understand it how you wrote it. That's really special if it is how it is, and it seems to be.
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? maybe you can share your "aha" with us :winking:
 
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ummmmmm....I have been procrastinating doing my homework which was due a couple hours ago.. well... Friday needs to be emailed in... it is now 10 to midnight. There's still so much to be done on it. and I am actually enjoying it.

It was one of those moments SOS..but I'd have to read it again to explain why I felt that from it. I think mostly because it sounded so special. (my daughter is having a sleepover here too so it's getting loud and I'm distracted with everything. My son is being totally well behaved though. I guess to make up for earlier when he was the holy terror with HIS friend who was over with him.
WHy am I telling you all this? lol... it's starting to feel kinda like a nice big living room in here with sofas everywhere and a whole big group of gal friends chatting about love.
This is my socializing right here.


OK I glanced over it just now. Just read that post and imagine you are Michael Jackson for a moment and experience those things. The heartache you'd feel and the yearning to just be loved because you are lovable to someone, just for that and nothing else...but time after time you keep getting the raw end of the deal when you have SOOOOO much love to give and you just want that romantic type of love with ONE person who is so special to you. You want to be loved by ONE, and love ONE... and it isn't to take away from the love from fans but you cannot tell me that fans love is enough. It is a lonely type of love. Though beautiful in it's own way, still it is at an arms length distance and still if he chose one or some to get close to even in a friendship, he would still have to deal with all the things that AllForMJ had mentioned. THose are heartbreaking things. TO feel like you are only loved for what you can offer, and not for all the things you are inside.

To feel you have to guard yourself from all of that and from all the ones who can manipulate you and make you feel like they love you when really all they want is not you, but what you have or what you can offer them. It SUCKS. and it hurts.. but to finally find someone who loves you for EVERYTHING you are, even if you had NOTHING.. someone who loves you and doesn't expect or ask anything in return. Someone who just adores all that you are and won't even accept anything monetary that you have to offer because they don't want to cheapen what you do have in any way.. it is so healing. To find someone like that who he can trust, and who trusts him back.... it is beautiful. It is beautiful for anyone.

That's why I felt that. If you put yourself in his shoes, you can totally get it.. well.. I think I did anyways.
 
oh THAT ok yes, oh of course, that was felt through and through

I thought you were referring to the aspect concening the messages inside the album sleeves....I thought you meant you now understood about THAT

but yes, that other bit.....it was very moving

(my daughter is having a sleepover here too so it's getting loud and I'm distracted with everything. My son is being totally well behaved though. I guess to make up for earlier when he was the holy terror with HIS friend who was over with him.
WHy am I telling you all this? lol... it's starting to feel kinda like a nice big living room in here with sofas everywhere and a whole big group of gal friends chatting about love.
This is my socializing right here.
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same here, one of mine has two friends sleeping over, (they're all asleep now) and the other one is at a church lock-in so yeh I'm sittin' up here with "the girls" too. I love that scenario you painted ... "sofas everywhere" - that sounds so fun - and so appropriate ... ya know.... imma give you some rep for that :)

oooops says I must spread it around ( :unsure: don't recall doing it recently) but just know I gave it up in my heart:yes:
 
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