Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)






Hey... I think we should leave out of this thread the subject "LMP". It is unnecessary to discuss here. We will not break the spell of this thread. Please.... :give_heart:



I agree, we already have a LMP thread in the mj news section.
 
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Hey... I think we should leave out of this thread the subject "LMP". It is unnecessary to discuss here. We will not break the spell of this thread. Please.... :give_heart:

But if LITD IS LMP? I understand that ppl in this thread are in a deep denial about LMP and they are not able to accept it if it is even true. Fantasy, fantasy, fantasy.... . Good for you girls... . I love fantasy too but sometimes it is time to look at some facts .... . I know for some it is painful.... but what can we do?
I do not understand why some fans are so jealous as soon as it comes to LMP? Because she was real? I think so... . She was a real woman for him and his wife on top of that.

Artists usually have two women: one is a real one they have relationships with and another one is in their imagination. It does not mean that do not love a real one, they fantasize a real trough their art.
Michael is not just the one. There are some examples in human history like that.

Have a nice day ladies :)
 
Im not jeaouls of lisa marie& mjs relationship, i just hate the way she has treated him over the yrs.

Its like she acts like she doesnt give a toss bout him but yet in every interview she does she talks bout him non stop!

Its like lisa figure it out already: either u love him or dont ...make up ur mind!
 
Im not jeaouls of lisa marie& mjs relationship, i just hate the way she has treated him over the yrs.

Its like she acts like she doesnt give a toss bout him but yet in every interview she does she talks bout him non stop!

Its like lisa figure it out already: either u love him or dont ...make up ur mind!

If you did read my LONG post very carefully your would NOT ask this question.
 
In honor and respect to AllForMJ, and what she, as the topic starter, made this thread to be all about, I will post this post. For her, I wish to get the theme and purpose of this thread back today.

Yes, the Lisa Marie interview got things all a-hoppin.

Everywhere there are conversations, and sites with multiple threads, all discussing the now confirmed "true love" relationship that took place over a period of years between MJ and LMP. It's all a-buzz.

And that's fine. Let everyone enjoy themselves out there with this kind of talk.

But in here, in this thread, we have a different focus.

This thread is about a possible girl, who MJ has loved for years, kept hidden in his heart, who is not known, not a celebrity...one he continued to love even when loving/caring about other women. A woman who remains somewhere, tucked away, in the dark, who loves and understands God in the way Michael does. Someone who he shares a "divine love" with.

Lisa Marie Presley is one of the loves in Michael's life. But she is not the Love in the Dark girl.

If those that view or post in this thread can enjoy discussing things in this light, please continue.

If someone would rather not agree with MJ having a litd girl, and want instead to discuss who his "true love" is, or his "soul-mate" only, and that could mean you think it's Brooke, Lisa Marie, Shanna, Tatiana, Ola, Teresa, Romonica, Tatum, Madonna, and on and on we can go...then, this is not the discussion thread for you. But there are plenty out there! Have fun!

This thread is about a girl that MJ had asked God long ago to help him find.

This thread is about a girl that MJ saw or met somewhere years ago and God made it clear to him some way, that she was the one He had for Michael.

This thread is about song lyrics over the years that were possibly purposely chosen by MJ to talk about or get a message to this girl who he lost contact with and felt he had no other way to communicate with her.

This thread is about discussing how God has been involved with their connection to each other from the start and even in the days leading up to June 25, 2009, God was watching over them both. He still is. She's out there...probably watched the Lisa Marie interview herself.

Let's not forget some of the differetn things we have already covered in this thread, especially not that long ago...like, you, Asedora, brought up your reasonable observations regarding the song YANA and it's video. And your observations fit in perfectly with this thread and its focus. You asked, how can that video or the song be about Lisa when the lyrics are saying what they are saying? Remember?

I always thought Don't Walk Away was about Lisa...and now hearing her say that they were on and off together up to 1999...about the time that song was written, it really would make one think it. But our purpose in THIS THREAD is to match up the lyrics to our ideas...and I had before in here mentioned that I do not think he would say "I close my eyes/just to try and see you smile one more time/But it's been so long now all I do is cry" about someone like LMP, for she is a photographed celebrity, and "around" enough for him to see her smile recently, and if they saw each other up to 1999 (what happened to her origanl 2 1/2 yrs...it switched to 4 on me), then that would not be so long that he would need to lament over all the time he has been "away" from her smile. Wasn't she poppin' up in the news with Nicholas Cage around this time?

The reason I worded it as LMP being one of Michael's loves, because I personally liked the way the now older, mature and wiser, Diana Ross, phrased things that way regarding Michael in an interviiew not long after he passed. She said he was one of her loves. Aww. You see, you can love someone in a special way for years just because they meant something to you at one time.

Priscilla and Elvis Presley divorced, but they walked out of the courtroom hand and hand. They were committed to remain respectful, mature, reasonable with each in honor of the love they had shared with each other. But from that day forward, their love changed its form...it was no longer a being "in love" but they felt a love for each other...always.

I believe Michael had hoped this for he and Lisa Marie. And when he was in a way, desserted, by so many who had "loved" him in the passed, when the trial began...it understandably would when speaking with someone who he had loved and who had loved him once ask if they still "loved" him. Not "in love" loved him, but are you going to be one of those who have desserted me in this, or do you still love me enough to support me in my time of need?"

Lisa Marie understood the value of two people after splitting up staying friendly...she witnessed it with her parents (who both went on to have other relationships with other people) and she made it happen with her first husband, Danny. Michael must have felt confused that the most she could offer him at the time of that trial was only indifference. He didn't cry because she was no longer in love with him, he cried because she no longer loved him period. Why did the "love" have to go? Why indifference....which seems so cold?

That's all I will say about Lisa. I just wanted to give a bit to remind us it has not been supported in here that lyrics are about LMP. And we have never had this thread be for long a discussion about any named female. It is about an unnamed female...and that was the way MJ wanted it....because he kept her in the dark.

When someone in the dark reaches out to you
And touches off a spark that comes shining through

So join in the discussion if you can be on board with that. Talk about LOVE and a possible LITD girl, supported by lyrics in MJ's songs.
 
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But if LITD IS LMP?

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The only person who could answer that question is MJ and nobody else. -_-

You know, he was a very private and privacy must be kept private. So, if he were here, has 1000% sure that we would never know the answer to "who is the LITD of MJ".

And since we never know the answer... the imagination runs wild in the songs of Michael trying to unveil the big mystery that will never be discovered.



Bring the popcorn!!! >>>
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The only person who could answer that question is MJ and nobody else. -_-

You know, he was a very private and privacy must be kept private. So, if he were here, has 1000% sure that we would never know the answer to "who is the LITD of MJ".

And since we never know the answer... the imagination runs wild in the songs of Michael trying to unveil the big mystery that will never be discovered.



Bring the popcorn!!! >>>
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Shila;3029592 said:
That's all I will say about Lisa. I just wanted to give a bit to remind us it has not been supported in here that lyrics are about LMP. And we have never had this thread be for long a discussion about any named female. It is about an unnamed female...and that was the way MJ wanted it....because he kept her in the dark.

How do you know that it was a real woman in the dark? Because of his lyrics? It is very naive way to think so and I can give you TONS of examples when artists created this woman in their mind and it could be something not real ,created from many female’s characters he met or he has read about.

Or every female in this thread FOR REAL thinks that it was about her? It is good fantasy, yes and this is what artists do having such ability of touching people’s hearts. This is why it is being called an art.
You guys sometimes take Michael too personally like he was a guy living on the next street but he was not. I bet if one of you me included was able to reach him in person, none of us would not be able to be his wife or a girl friend. This is all about fantasy. LMP was his wife and it means something.

I am originally from the country with a pretty old tradition in classical literature and classical music and I have learned a lot about artist’s personal life being in a high school and for my own interest because I always was kinda into poetry and music. Michael as an artist and a gifted person is not much different in personal life than any other artist. Most of them had those LITD girls in mind and if you wish I can give you a very good example of a very tragic story I am still very sensitive to . I cannot do anything just cry when I read it.



You know, he was a very private and privacy must be kept private. So, if he were here, has 1000% sure that we would never know the answer to "who is the LITD of MJ".

And since we never know the answer... the imagination runs wild in the songs of Michael trying to unveil the big mystery that will never be discovered.

The question is, if you respect and care about his privacy so much why something like that has to be unveiled? Leave it like that then. In fact you are the one who do not believe that she ever existed. What kind of mystery you are digging in? Sometimes I do not see a logic.
 
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How do you know that it was a real woman in the dark? Because of his lyrics?
This shows me very plainly that you do not agree with the theme or focus of this thread. Then why do you want to post in here?

For a thread to flow and be successful, it stays within the theme of discussion. The title of the thread is in question form, but it is not a thread designed for debate. It was designed for those to come along who would find it fun to do so, and join in the discussion of how..."a real woman in the dark" was loved by him. And the enjoyment in here is finding support to that in MJ's lyrics.

Ya don't agree with the theme of the thread? that's cool...move along then and enjoy threads that you do agree with. That's what I do. That is why it's great that this site offers so many threads to choose from. And that is why it is great that the whole net has forums and threads to choose from, so there is something for everyone.

I don't think you like the theme of this thread any longer. :( But it is not fair for you to try and change it. Nor is that being respectful to the thread starter.

This has been said so many times in here; I feel a bit ridiculous saying it again, but this thread is not about anyone knowing anything. But it's about exploring the idea, (and some of us have done this quite creatively, true) that there is a real LITD girl.

Read AllForMJ's first several posts...and you can see, that was her developed premise for this thread. Like it or not, it is what it is.

You have an excellent mind, Asedora! and I think you like debating. But this thread is not about that.

I would rather this thread die out than become something other than what AllforMJ, the thread starter, intended it to be.

EDIT: I just read this part now, and I can't help but view it as being possibly mean-spirited of you to say this:
Asedora said:
Or every female in this thread FOR REAL thinks that it was about her?
Every? I, for one example, have stated before in here that I am not the LITD girl. And I do not think AllForMJ has ever presented herself in that way, yet she is someone who has actually met MJ, I'll give her that! :) Linda and summer never came off that way(I'm thinking of all the original people who posted in here)...oh, there are many. So if you are thinking of one or two...that is certainly not EVERY, and it would be unkind of you to mention any names...for if someone does think it, as I think summer said once this, it is not harming anyone here. You have a personal account of some cases that maybe didn't go well for someone having a crush on a artist/celeb from where you live? Well, don't bring the story in here. Let's keep things up and positive. And if you are worrying about any particular individual who posts in here...pray for them quietly. That's what I would recommend, Asedora. :)
 
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This shows me very plainly that you do not agree with the theme or focus of this thread. Then why do you want to post in here?

For a thread to flow and be successful, it stays within the theme of discussion. The title of the thread is in question form, but it is not a thread designed for debate. It was designed for those to come along who would find it fun to do so, and join in the discussion of how..."a real woman in the dark" was loved by him. And the enjoyment in here is finding support to that in MJ's lyrics.


You have an excellent mind, Asedora! and I think you like debating. But this thread is not about that.

I was thinking that this thread is about Michael's LOVE lyrics but not about his real woman in the dark. If it even was one really i would be ashamed of myslef digging in his privacy so much.
Or as I said every woman in this thread reading MJ lyrics thinks that it was about her? Of well. If so, I am definately not going to be a part of this discussion any longer cos it feels sometimes like a hidden competition in here. I do not like to be a part of such.I am a very sencitive energy freak so I can feel such things pretty damn well.

It was fun do discuss lyrics, yes, but I think this thread went a bit too far.
Just my opinion... :) Have fun girls.
 
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I was thinking that this thread is about Michael's LOVE lyrics but not about his real woman in the dark. If it even was one really i would be ashamed of myslef digging in his privacy so much.
Or as I said every woman in this thread reading MJ lyrics thinks that it was about her? Of well. If so, I am definately not going to be a part of this discussion any longer cos it feels sometimes like a hidden competition in here. I do not like to be a part of such activites. I am a very sencitive energy freak so I can feel such things pretty well.

It was fun do discuss lyrics, yes, but I think this thread went a bit too far.
Just my opinion... :) Have fun girls.

I think you missed my addition to my last post for I address some of what you said here above.

Yes, the energy (although I usually don't like using the term "energy") in here at times is way off. A lot of underlying friction. Absolutely. It takes a brave soul to post in here. The harmony never lasts for very long. We have to catch it and enjoy it when we can. AllOverAgain picked up on this before they said adeiu. It is pretty obvious.


And no, this thread is not just about decyphering or discussing MJ lyrics. There have been other threads about that though.
 
I think you missed my addition to my last post for I address some of what you said here above.

Yes, the energy (although I usually don't like using the term "energy") in here at times is way off. A lot of underlying friction. Absolutely. It takes a brave soul to post in here. The harmony never lasts for very long. We have to catch it and enjoy it when we can. AllOverAgain picked up on this before they said adeiu. It is pretty obvious.


And no, this thread is not just about decyphering or discussing MJ lyrics. There have been other threads about that though.

Oh well I am not the only one who was able to pick it up? I wonder why? It means that I am 100% correct. Well, I am definately out of here. I am not a brave soul anymore who is willing to post here. I hate when ppl bash LMP for no reason. They cannot stad her just because she was a real woman in his life. Some folks hate every fan who went on stage and got a kiss from MJ. I cannot tolerate it anymore. Really. Enough is enough.
 
. I hate when ppl bash LMP for no reason. They cannot stand her just because she was a real woman in his life.

I haven't read every recent post, but did someone in here specifically say they cannot stand LMP because she was a real woman in his life? I know some have had a few objections with her, but I thought it was because of her past treatment or way she spoke of him in the past. Right? I think you are possibly making an assumption.

For me, I have felt I have always understood where LMP was coming from when she said the things she did in past interviews. I had tried to always assess MJ's and her relationship as objectively as I could when I was trying to make sense of it (even though I acknowledge it was none of my business, ever!) during the first months or so of my entering the MJ scene. She said nothing new really in this interview, but because she is now older and has taken time to reflect and understand, she was able to express herself in a calm, and together way that made things more understandable for many. I like her, for she has always been committed to being very real, and I respect that. And I believed Janet Jackson when she said in an Oprah interview years ago, that Lisa Marie has a beautiful heart. LMP at times can come off a little "tough" but that doesn't mean her heart can never also still be soft. MJ described her as sweet. So many fans say they will not believe what others say regarding MJ... but will only listen to what MJ has said out of his own mouth. Well, he said "Lisa is sweet." So she must have then a sweet side. Hating on Lisa is wrong. Disapproving of some things she's done in the past (or even has done in this recent interview) is everyone's prerogative. Not wishing her to be your own best friend, is everyone's choice. But hating her, is definitely wrong. And being jealous of her for having had MJ's love is not helpful to anyone.

Asedora, you should not let fans being jealous get you so bothered. It comes with the territory. Just ignore it and continue not being the jealous type yourself.
 
Yes, the energy (although I usually don't like using the term "energy") in here at times is way off. A lot of underlying friction. Absolutely. It takes a brave soul to post in here. The harmony never lasts for very long. We have to catch it and enjoy it when we can. AllOverAgain picked up on this before they said adeiu. It is pretty obvious.


And no, this thread is not just about decyphering or discussing MJ lyrics. There have been other threads about that though.


You can say that again...Shila :) Beautiful name, btw. It's very, very true. That is why i've always had a problem with posting in this particular thread.

Asedora, i hope you know how much respect i have for you, but i must admit i was offended at your suggestion. I don't usually have a good memory, but from what i recall, i don't remember anyone here claiming to be the LITD girl. I can only speak for myself, but as i've said on more than one occasion, i've NEVER met Michael and the things i have posted in here were mere impressions from observing his life and his music, when i didn't drift off into i don't know what irrelevant stuff, as was the case with that painting exercise a couple of weeks ago. Btw thanks for all the kind remarks - both to you and all the other folks; as i said, it was an opportunity to enjoy some nice art more than anything else; if anybody thought it went too far, i apologize. FT, i guess there won't be any sequel.

And btw of a possible litd girl, if she exists of course. I know it has been asked and suggested Michael himself visited this thread. But did anybody ever wondered, if she does exist, does she even know of the very existence of this thread? It is perfectly reasonable to imagine her not to be a fan, unaware of message boards and stuff. I would imagine prior to June 25th 2009 her life too busy with loving Michael and after i couldn't even begin to imagine the amount of pain she must have felt, therefore i don't believe it's far fetched to think she wouldn't have the time or the desire to read and let alone post anything. But hey, that's just me. The obvious tends to escape me.

Asedora, i do agree with you though about the idylic image many have created about Michael in their head; he must have had his shortcomings, but then again, maybe those made him human, perhaps a lot more human than we can imagine.

Shila, thanks for bringing up AllforMJ - her absence from this thread, which SHE originated, is felt deeply. I also miss SoS, Moddie, MP (i know u readin' girl lol) and everybody else. I must say it has been a pleasure to read along the years some very deep, sensitive thoughts in here and indeed everybody who has posted has been a brave soul, but i think the time has come for me to follow AllOverAgain's example. I think i've arrived in the station where i need to get off the train. I do hope the little engine continues its climb.

It's been a nice ride and i've met some lovely people in here many of whom have become my friends. I would love to see this thread go back to its original, intended purpose, but as Shila said maybe the other option is for it to die out. I would prefer it though if the first one became true.

Just last week i've had another run in with death, something that seems to be a constant in my life, so i can only be ever so thankful to the Lord i'm still alive. Life is too short to be wasted on anything other than peace, love and the praising of the Lord.

I'm nobody to be giving anybody advice, but i would kindly tell every single one of you who are reading and those of you who will continue to post - whatever you do and wherever life takes you - don't you ever lose hope, the will to fight for the less fortunate, your faith in love and in God.

God bless you everyone :)

So long *military salute*
 
I think I understood what Asedora wanted to say run through her post. I think she wanted to show us another history's side for we realized how hard it was for LMP and understand her. Well, Asedora was what I understood.
I've been away from this thread for a few days but it seems like was months to me lol I really love the diversity of thought and creativity of all who post here. Paintings, poems, songs ... everything.
Some people speak of God so sweetly, that touches the heart and I can say that sometimes God uses these people to talk to me.
I hope tempers can cool off and we all go back to do a great job here. Once anybody said, in this forum, particularly this thread serves as escapism for most of us.

God bless all
 
You can say that again...Shila :) Beautiful name, btw.
Thanks, Shabuya! I'm queenie, ya know (don't wanna trick ya)with yet another nombre in here! :)
Shabuya said:
Just last week i've had another run in with death, something that seems to be a constant in my life, so i can only be ever so thankful to the Lord i'm still alive.
I'm glad for us all that the Lord decided He still needs you around. You obviously have more of us out there in this life that He wants you to bless. :hug:


From Will You Be There:

Carry Me
Like You Are My Brother
Love Me Like A Mother
Will You Be There?

I was just taking a nap and I had the strangest thing happen. Right before waking up I had a dream and in it I was goofing off with my brother...kinda fake punchin' and being silly. I hadn't done anything like that with him for years, not since probably I was a teenager. I have other brothers, but this one always has a special place in my heart, because all through my childhood, he had time for me, and he would play and goof off and be silly with me. Children love so this kind of attention.

So in this dream I was probably in my early twenties and he and I were acting like this together, and then I went into a half awake/half asleep state, and I heard the song Will You Be There being sung with those words Carry me/like a brother.

Then I woke up completely... and started thinking about MJ, and what it was God was trying to tell me through the odd juxtaposition of the brother dream and those lyrics.

I felt He was telling me this:

There was a great importance to MJ for someone to first and foremost love him like a brother.

This means it had even a higher rating than someone being "in love" with him.

So what does it mean for someone to love another like a brother? I have passed over that line in WYBT so many times without thinking much of it. I thought it meant in maybe a humanitarian way...I thought the whole meaning of the song was larger than any plea to a particular woman to love him in a certain way. There are guys who hang around each other that say "hey, brother, or hey, bro." When you think of brotherly love, you think it means loving your fellow man.

Sometimes those that share the same faith refer to one another as sister this or brother that. True? I don't know how it is in Kingdom Hall, but maybe those there respectively call others in such a way. It is respectful, especially, when a male calls a female in their church "sister," indicating that they are looking at her with modesty and the utmost purity.

Christians, in general, that share the same faith, also are known to refer to others as "my brother in the Lord" or "my sister in the Lord." Paul, in the Bible, in his his letters often did this. In his final greetings in Ephesians, for an example, he calls Tychicus "the dear brother" and he adds, "Peace to the brothers..."

What does MJ mean by "brother" in WYBT?

Why would MJ want to be loved by the woman of his choice in this way...love me, carry me, like a brother?

Its like lisa figure it out already: either u love him or dont ...make up ur mind!

When someone is "in love" it has ups and downs, highs and lows, in other words, it fluctuates. When someone loves someone like a brother, it represents a love that is less fluctuating and has more constancy. So if his love relationship is girded by a love like this, if the woman's primary love for him is "like a brother," she won't be taking her love away from him depending on what's going on.

I think MJ might have already known the answer to the question he was asking in Don't Walk Away.

How can I stop losing you?

If the LITD girl's love never fluctuates, then he will never really lose her.

Remember I said in an earlier post that love takes different forms. But if one loves first like a brother, than the love will never completely go away. It will not become indifferent. It may change its look a bit, but it will not grow cold. Some love will remain.

He asks,

Can't we find some love to take this away?/cause the pain gets stronger every day.

I am glad that LMP has good memories of MJ and her being united. But if someone does not share the same beliefs as you in God, you cannot be truly united with them. I am not sure where she is at today spiritually; she was once a Scientologist. Do they believe in a higher power? She mentioned "The Universe" in the interview. I get a sense MJ and her were never on the same page regarding faith in God.

I believe in order for MJ to feel truly safe with a love from a woman, that that woman would have to love his God like he does, and see Michael, and love Michael, deeply as a brother in the Lord. For one thing, MJ would be "unevenly yoked" with her if this wasn't in place. And problems would ensue.

Yes, Michael, of course, would want to be in love and have the LITD girl be in love with him back, and all the wonderful feelings that come with that. But he would want that love to be first built on something very solid. So she will stay. So she will be there. And he would stop losing her, for good.

I now think that the song Will You Be There was something like Michael's "wishlist" for the way he wanted to be loved by a woman. What do you guys think?

"Will You Be There"

Hold Me
Like The River Jordan
And I Will Then Say To Thee
You Are My Friend

Carry Me
Like You Are My Brother
Love Me Like A Mother
Will You Be There?

Weary
Tell Me Will You Hold Me
When Wrong, Will You Scold Me
When Lost Will You Find Me?

But They Told Me
A Man Should Be Faithful
And Walk When Not Able
And Fight Till The End
But I'm Only Human

Everyone's Taking Control Of Me
Seems That The World's
Got A Role For Me
I'm So Confused
Will You Show To Me
You'll Be There For Me
And Care Enough To Bear Me

(Hold Me)
(Lay Your Head Lowly)
(Softly Then Boldly)
(Carry Me There)

(Lead Me)
(Love Me And Feed Me)
(Kiss Me And Free Me)
(I Will Feel Blessed)

(Carry)
(Carry Me Boldly)
(Lift Me Up Slowly)
(Carry Me There)

(Save Me)
(Heal Me And Bathe Me)
(Softly You Say To Me)
(I Will Be There)

(Lift Me)
(Lift Me Up Slowly)
(Carry Me Boldly)
(Show Me You Care)

(Hold Me)
(Lay Your Head Lowly)
(Softly Then Boldly)
(Carry Me There)

(Need Me)
(Love Me And Feed Me)
(Kiss Me And Free Me)
(I Will Feel Blessed)

[Spoken]
In Our Darkest Hour
In My Deepest Despair
Will You Still Care?
Will You Be There?
In My Trials
And My Tribulations
Through Our Doubts
And Frustrations
In My Violence
In My Turbulence
Through My Fear
And My Confessions
In My Anguish And My Pain
Through My Joy And My Sorrow
In The Promise Of Another Tomorrow
I'll Never Let You Part
For You're Always In My Heart.
 
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He asks,

Can't we find some love to take this away?/cause the pain gets stronger every day.

I am glad that LMP has good memories of MJ and her being united. But if someone does not share the same beliefs as you in God, you cannot be truly united with them. I am not sure where she is at today spiritually; she was once a Scientologist. Do they believe in a higher power? She mentioned "The Universe" in the interview. I get a sense MJ and her were never on the same page regarding faith in God.

I believe in order for MJ to feel truly safe with a love from a woman, that that woman would have to love his God like he does, and see Michael, and love Michael, deeply as a brother in the Lord. For one thing, MJ would be "unevenly yoked" with her if this wasn't in place. And problems would ensue.

Yes, Michael, of course, would want to be in love and have the LITD girl be in love with him back, and all the wonderful feelings that come with that. But he would want that love to be first built on something very solid. So she will stay. So she will be there. And he would stop losing her, for good.

I like the way you said and I agree. I'm not the kind of person who has much experience especially in relationships but I believe God must be the foundation of every relationship. Every couple goes through tribulation's times in marriage certainly wouldn't be different for MJ, wouldn't be easier for them (Contrary to what most people think because God's ways are tortuous "the narrow gate" Matthew 7:13-14) but God would give the coordinates for them.

But They Told Me
A Man Should Be Faithful
And Walk When Not Able
And Fight Till The End
But I'm Only Human

Everyone's Taking Control Of Me
Seems That The World's
Got A Role For Me
I'm So Confused
Will You Show To Me
You'll Be There For Me
And Care Enough To Bear Me
 
^^ I only ever lurk in this thread, and I really didn't have an understanding of what it was about....So, thanks for that explanation :flowers:
 
I do believe religion/belief play a part in their relationship. we all know Michael was very spiritual and believed in God. Here is the article about LMP and Scientology from Rolling stone magazine back then.

Lisa Marie Presley's troubled life

In a "no holds barred" interview run in Rolling Stone Magazine, Lisa Marie Presley supposedly speaks out frankly and about her life.
However, the article comes across as more of a promotional puff piece and often neglects important facts.
Presley attempted to dismiss reports that Scientology has often dominated her life.
The daughter of Elvis says, "If you know anything about my personality" -- she laughs -- "you 'll know that's not possible."
But it doesn't appear the reporter knows anything, or at least he's not telling.
Danny Keough, Presley's first husband, was and is a deeply devoted Scientologist. The reporter notes he was there during an interview session, "home schooling" their two children in the next room.
Presley says, "He 's my absolute best friend in the world…this is the one man I [will] be connected to for the rest of my life."
Then there's Paige Dorian, "her assistant and friend of eight years," also a Scientologist. And Luke Watson, another Scientologist, who is "documenting her recent life on film."
Watson was reportedly once assigned to look after Presley by Scientology.
Dorian and Watson accompanied her for dinner with the Rolling Stone reporter. She explained "They live my life with me."
Presley and Watson first met reportedly in Clearwater, Florida, a bastion of Scientology, where she took church courses. Presley was there so much that she bought a home in the area, which was later sold to Kirstie Alley, another Scientologist.
Like Alley Presley claims to have overcome drugs. She says, "I did drugs for four years." But is quick to point out that this was before she significantly embraced Scientology.
Part of Scientology's cure for drugs is called the "purification rundown," which may have caused Presley subsequent health problems.
However, she says those problems were due to dental fillings.
Ironically, Elvis apparently loathed Scientology. According to members of his inner circle he once said, "F - - - those people! There's no way I'll ever get involved with that son-of-a-bitchin' group. All they want is my money."
Lisa Marie now ardently dismisses and condemns long-time Elvis insiders.
Presley's marital history is strange and strewn with Scientology connections.
Twenty days after ending her first marriage with Keough she married Michael Jackson in the Dominican Republic. Her first husband's brother and wife, both Scientologists, witnessed that wedding.
The Jackson/Presley union ended after 20 months. And the lawyer that tied up the loose ends was John Coale, another Scientologist.
It was rumored that the Jackson marriage was a sham, concocted by the "King of Pop" and Scientology to neutralize an ugly sex scandal.
The Jackson marriage allegedly largely ended because the pop star made it clear that he would not be involved with the controversial church.
Presley's most recent marriage only lasted four months.
Her third husband Nicholas Cage like Jackson, apparently wanted nothing to do with Scientology.
Obviously Lisa Marie Presley's involvement with Scientology plays a very pivotal and influential role in her life.
The Rolling Stone reporter either didn't care, didn't dig deep enough, or apparently understood that such comments wouldn't be appreciated.
It appears the heir to the Elvis estate has inherited more than her father's money and looks, she seems to have a deeply troubled life too.
 
Hey.... :hug:

Well, while I have nothing to say. :) BUT I saw that SOS was here. :shifty: She has not abandoned us! :wild: :wub:

I miss the old times in this thread and all others who were always here and now gone. :( It was so much fun here in the past... :cry: *big sigh*
 
Lainy;3031071 said:
I think I understood what Asedora wanted to say run through her post. I think she wanted to show us another history's side for we realized how hard it was for LMP and understand her. Well, Asedora was what I understood.
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Well, I am glad that you picked it up. But “to understand” does not mean “to agree” with everything what was done from her side. But yes, I understand where she was coming from. I think I would do things different but I am nobody to judge her.

I was trying to be pretty much neutral as far as it comes to LMP/MJ personal relationships till it got completely insane on MJJ boards. However, I think it none of my business really to know what was between them. I do believe there are some lines fans cannot cross.

I looked at one thread today about “One more chance” song and I saw the same picture: fans get angry of even thinking about little possibility that this song could be written for her. I believe that it should not be that way. It looks like this virtual “cat fight” never will stop.

I apologize if somebody did find my previous post offensive at one point. I did not mean to hurt anybody’s feelings. Sometimes I just feel that things have to be told at the right moment of time and I do not mind to post something not too many of you would feel comfortable with. I just felt that it was a good time for some of us to stop, take a deep breath and look around.

It is time for me to get off that train too as Shabuya said and take my own with that one destination I know pretty damn well.

I wish I could get myself back to a point where I used to be till June 25th 2009 but it is out of my hands to change anything.

I feel like I do not want to be a part of any discussions on MJJ boards any longer unless it is something to do with the future trial.

Wishing everybody well and God bless you all.
 
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Wow, there’s a lot of stuff here I want to talk about but first I want to address Asedora about some of the posts she made.

I hope you’re still here.

Asedora I read your comments about MJ and LMP . I keep thinking do you really think Michael would have been so callous if he were in love with her to make her feel like a piece of furniture? The guy may have a hard time expressing his feelings but don’t you think if he were in love with a woman she would know- before he died- and some time before she started to promote an album she planned to release the following year?

LMP contradicts her self left and right in her interview with Oprah and when you bring her previous interviews in account you should clearly see the girl has an ulterior motive. My question is what is her ulterior motive.

I think you made some very insightful concepts concerning people in love with geniuses, sharing your thoughts about fans and how he was on stage but if LMP were being so honest then why did she “never think he loved her until after he died?” It’s true women can feel awkward with other women chasing after their man but if the woman doesn’t feel like she’s loved then why is she there? Gold diggers get in relationships with men they don’t love and who they don’t feel love them because they want money and many assume that was not the case with LMP but have said she was a spotlight chaser meaning her pot of gold was to be amidst the center of attention. I’m not saying that was the case but when she compared being around Michael to her dad I have to say it made me wonder.

Maybe the jealousy she felt wasn’t that all those women wanted Michael, maybe she wanted the attention and affection he was getting. Did you think of that? Maybe her way of getting some of that now is to switch her previous position and win his fans over by saying how wonderful she thinks he was. Could that be possible? Maybe this is part of her pre release album promotion plan to seize the media and try to gain the hearts of as many of the people celebrated Michael’s life so they would celebrate by buying her album too.

I will say that the things you wrote were interesting and compelling and very sad. However I also have this to say. LMP was married when she claims she and MJ became friendly and her fidelity and loyalty was to her husband. She broke that and claims she did so in order to be with MJ. Now please tell me if you knew that you just married a woman who committed adultery with her husband to be with you, would you be all trusting, and loving or would you be full of guile and suspicion with him always hanging around? What would you feel if he showed up on your vacations? That’s plural!

If she felt like a piece of furniture why are you surprised? Didn’t she make herself accessible that way? She abused her husbands love for her by leaving him for another man regardless of what her reasoning’s were. Then she had no regard for Michael’s emotions, pride or dignity and shamelessly flaunted her relationship with her ex husband in his face allowing her ex to go on their vacations with them.

I for one don’t think LMP could be MJ’s LITD girl as has been discussed in here because I don’t think God would even condone the two of them being together since she had to leave her first husband to be with him. If his love for her was as special as people here believe it to be then she would not be able to claim she never thought he loved her until after he died and furthermore her love would have stood strong for him when he needed someone most not left him after he was in the hospital and become indifferent when his life and freedom was on the line. That’s just my two cents take what will of it.

What is a Sticky?

Sdeidjs well put “If Ms.Presley loved, cared for Mr.Michael Jackson as much as she "claims" she did/does...she would have "NEVER" thrown HIM & HIS under the bus like she did in the past and/or has in this interview.

Things that make us go Mmm~~~


Public Relations (Manipulation of Michael Jackson Fans) + Popularity = Album (Sales) = Recording Contract

But hey, what do I know ladies & gents...Like I always say...Any thing in life is possible...

Fairy your thoughts are interesting please tell us more?

8701 I agree with you.

Ashtanga your picture suits you. You’re too cute and sweet.

Shila excellent posts!

Ohood good points. When trying to know what someone is saying sometimes it’s best to just listen.

I really want to say hats off to everyone for their contributions here. It’s a cool thread with a lot of mushy thoughts for people who wish the best for MJ and that’s because of you ladies.

I look forward to reading more. Hope everyone does not run away.

Also Asedora If One More Chance was about LMP then maybe he should change the words to be abused by love love instead of for love or to be a fool for love. What do you ladies think? She may be a nice lady and all that but her actions does not say she loved him to me and they do say that actions speak louder than words.
 
Favoritetune;3033175 said:
Ashtanga your picture suits you. You’re too cute and sweet.
:cheeky:


Thanks! :blush:


Good to see you back! :hi:


And your post... >>> :clapping:




Favoritetune;3033175 said:
I look forward to reading more. Hope everyone does not run away.

Do not worry that anyone will run away. :shifty:

Well, while I have nothing to say. :coffee: I'll stay here just lurking and observing. :shifty:



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8701 I agree with you.

Thanx

Also Asedora If One More Chance was about LMP then maybe he should change the words to be abused by love love instead of for love or to be a fool for love. What do you ladies think? She may be a nice lady and all that but her actions does not say she loved him to me and they do say that actions speak louder than words.

I think she gets confused by her feelings for mj, i mean she did say in the interview when her & mj were united it was the highest point in her life. But i think its when her mother gets in the way and starts saying negative things bout mj , she changes her mind IMO
 
Thanx



I think she gets confused by her feelings for mj, i mean she did say in the interview when her & mj were united it was the highest point in her life. But i think its when her mother gets in the way and starts saying negative things bout mj , she changes her mind IMO

She's said crap with her mother no where around. Why blame her mom? Any woman who is gonna change like that has issues.

LMP has some nice things about her but she confuses me. I feel sorry for MJ.
 
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