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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

Shabuya said:
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Alice????? :scratch:

Yes, she is... this beautiful little girl. She was delighted with Michael and he with her.

I found this video in my archives:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e29vJy6dut0


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STATEofSHOCK said:
I also agree with you, Ashtanga that trying to interpret the lyrics alone could be a bit misleading so the mood and love in the song might just be best enjoyed within itself and just the hearing of Michael's voice after so long :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: there's nothing like it.
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Yes, it is just that. :yes: It is very difficult to interpret a songs from Michael or any other artist, even if you know this person and live with it 24 hours a day. I do not know what were your feelings at that moment, I do not know who or whom he was thinking at that moment, I do not know what he was doing at the time of your life... It's very intimate. Feelings is something very intimate and private and we do not always speak exactly everything that we feel, is and always will be doubt. YOU AND ONLY ONE ELSE knows his own feelings and what is happening inside of you in your heart. In this case it's not 100% sure, just speculations of what "may be" truth that nobody knows the true reality of the moments of Michael doing his songs. :)





I found this text about the love in my files that was written by "Osho". I love everything he wrote. It's about love and has to do with this discussion. Hope you enjoy:


What is love?

I do not know.

All I know is to experience love is one of the most beautiful experiences of life.

To experience true love, four steps must be concluded.

The first step is be here and now
- Because love is only possible here and now.

The second step toward love is to get rid of negative feelings, because many people love, but his love is contaminated by feelings of jealousy, possessiveness, fear.

The third: share. Love is a fragrance to be shared, irradiated.

Love can not be accumulated; it can only be shared.

And the fourth: one is nothing. Only when you are empty of you, is love.

When you are full of ego can not love.

The love and the ego can not exist together.

It is impossible to love and the ego being together.

Only a person who has learned to love is mature.

A mature person does not "fall in love" it "raises in love."

And when two mature people are in love, one of the greatest paradoxes of life happens.

They are together, are almost one, but this unit does not destroy individuality.

Actually enhanced.

Two mature people in true love help each other to become freer, fuller, more complete.

(Osho)


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ashtanga said:
Alice????? :scratch:

Yes, she is... this beautiful little girl. She was delighted with Michael and he with her.

I found this video in my archives:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e29vJy6dut0


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Own, Ahs, I love this video!!! Michael is so cute and embaressed!!! :wub:


ashtanga said:
Yes, it is just that. :yes: It is very difficult to interpret a songs from Michael or any other artist, even if you know this person and live with it 24 hours a day. I do not know what were your feelings at that moment, I do not know who or whom he was thinking at that moment, I do not know what he was doing at the time of your life... It's very intimate. Feelings is something very intimate and private and we do not always speak exactly everything that we feel, is and always will be doubt. YOU AND ONLY ONE ELSE knows his own feelings and what is happening inside of you in your heart. In this case it's not 100% sure, just speculations of what "may be" truth that nobody knows the true reality of the moments of Michael doing his songs. :)
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Exactly! Feelings is something very intimate!! And I think that he sings what he can't tell to anyone! It's amazing don't know his intimates feelings, cause this makes us thinking a lot about this, about his songs! Allows us to travel in the beautiful words of his songs! :wub:



ashtanga said:
I found this text about the love in my files that was written by "Osho". I love everything he wrote. It's about love and has to do with this discussion. Hope you enjoy:


What is love?

I do not know.

All I know is to experience love is one of the most beautiful experiences of life.

To experience true love, four steps must be concluded.

The first step is be here and now
- Because love is only possible here and now.

The second step toward love is to get rid of negative feelings, because many people love, but his love is contaminated by feelings of jealousy, possessiveness, fear.

The third: share. Love is a fragrance to be shared, irradiated.

Love can not be accumulated; it can only be shared.

And the fourth: one is nothing. Only when you are empty of you, is love.

When you are full of ego can not love.

The love and the ego can not exist together.

It is impossible to love and the ego being together.

Only a person who has learned to love is mature.

A mature person does not "fall in love" it "raises in love."

And when two mature people are in love, one of the greatest paradoxes of life happens.

They are together, are almost one, but this unit does not destroy individuality.

Actually enhanced.

Two mature people in true love help each other to become freer, fuller, more complete.

(Osho)


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This is perfect for this trhead, Ash!!! I loved this text!
Osho's words are always beautiful and meaningful! :yes: There is another text from him that is beautiful and I think it has something to do with this thread! I'll translate and then post here! ;) Is really very nice and always makes me think of Michael! :wub:
 
tha said:
Own, Ahs, I love this video!!! Michael is so cute and embaressed!!! :wub:
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I also love this video. Alice is so beautiful. I found it so beautiful the way she stared at Michael with a look so sweet and affectionate as he stroked her face. It's just why I love so much this man. :wub:



tha said:
Exactly! Feelings is something very intimate!! And I think that he sings what he can't tell to anyone! It's amazing don't know his intimates feelings, cause this makes us thinking a lot about this, about his songs! Allows us to travel in the beautiful words of his songs! :wub:
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Yes! Since we are not sure of anything, what remains is to use imagination to speculate and travel to the beautiful songs of Michael. Any artist, no matter what your industry (music, painting, sculpture, poetry...) will always be a big box of mysteries and subliminal messages. :)




tha said:
This is perfect for this trhead, Ash!!! I loved this text! Osho's words are always beautiful and meaningful! :yes: There is another text from him that is beautiful and I think it has something to do with this thread! I'll translate and then post here! ;) Is really very nice and always makes me think of Michael! :wub:
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The words of Osho has everything to do with Michael. I'm sure he would love to read. Osho says things beautiful and true about all the things in life and especially about God. He was a great man and very wise and intelligent as well as Michael was not understood several times because of his words.
 
Beautiful, lovely video you posted over there Ash, thank you ever so much.

SoS - I've been called many things (some for worse and some for better, that reminds me of Eros Ramazotti and Tina Turner's "Cose della vita"), but exclamation ain't one hahaha. Just kiddin'. It's quite simple really. I owe it to Michael and Spike Lee. It came from one of the scenes in "Get on the bus", Spike's 1996 movie about the Million Man March. Here's the trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIpnVu4394A

Michael's "On the line" is featured in the opening of the movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWmvleHLIaM&feature=related The movie is such a beautiful and inspiring piece of art reflecting reality, it really is.

The lyrics to the song are oh so beautiful and oh so very true as well - nothing good ever comes easy, but certain things in life are worth just about anything - time, toil and everything else that might come along the way. I know Babyface penned it, but as we know, Michael wouldn't sing it, if he wouldn't mean it.

No sense pretending its over
Hard times just don't go away
You gotta take that chip off your shoulder
It's time you open up
Have some faith

Nothing good ever comes easy
All good things come in due time
Yes it does
You gotta have something to believe in
I'm telling you to open your mind

Gotta put your heart on the line
If you wanna make it right
You've got to reach out and try
Gotta put your heart on the line
If you wanna make it right
Gotta put it all on the line

You see yourself in the mirror
And you don't like what you see
And things aren't getting much clearer
Don't you think it's time you go for a change, oh

Don't waste your time on the past, no, no
It's time you look to the future, oh
It's all right there if you ask
This time if you try much harder
You'll be the best that you can be

Gotta put your heart on the line
If you wanna make it right
You've got to reach out and try
Gotta put your heart on the line
If you wanna get it right Gotta put it all on the line

If you wanna make it right If you're gonna do it now
You gotta learn to try
You can make it work somehow
Let love come free
And that's just so easy now
You gotta go for what you want
You gotta do what you got to do

Gotta put your heart on the line
If you wanna make it right
You've got to reach out and try
Gotta put your heart on the line
If you wanna make it right Gotta put it all on the line


Off to catch the snow now. See yall.
 
Love is what it is, and nobody can ever take away from you what is forever in your heart.....
 
Love moves the discussion:

Love should not be demanding,
otherwise he loses his wings and can fly;
it is rooted in the earth and is very mundane.
So it is sensuality and brings great unhappiness and suffering.
Love should not be conditional, nothing should be expected of him.
he should be present, for being here, and not for any reward, and not for any result.
If there is any reason it, again your love can not become the sky. He is confined to the subject, the reason becomes its definition, its border.
A motivated not love has no borders: It is the fragrance of the heart.

Osho

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*Lily thanks for this beautiful phrase of love!


*Shabuya thanks! I also love this video Michael & Alice. :wub:
Oh, thanks for the video and for this beautiful music! :yes: :clapping:
 
STATEofSHOCK said:
Where he says, "and it seems as though ... for a thousand years ... tell me that you've seen my face before, and you said to me you don't want me hangin' around" -

those two lines together seem to say that he comes around and she acts like she doesn't know its him (Butterflies? Don't Walk Away? Invincible? - so "she" runs, she avoids, she ignores ... hmmmmmmm denial maybe? resistance ... but whyyyy lol maybe she doesn't even know herself why !


so it seems that part of his confusion here is, its as if he's saying, "look at me and tell me you didn't know it was me - I know you knew it was me Woman!" Tell me that you've seen my face before!

or something like that reasoning (getting closer at least, I believe)
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I'm beginning to think that maybe the whole thing was just one big misunderstanding.

Just as Justus said, that MJ never knew that "she"" was his true soulmate, perhaps "she" never knew that he was hers. Like MJ sings in "This Is It," "... I never heard a single word about you, falling in love was not my plan, I never thought that I would be your lover, please just understand ..."

Maybe she felt that way too. I mean, to himself and his family, MJ may have been just a regular guy, but to her, maybe he seemed untouchable, unreachable, you know, out of her league. "She" probably never dreamed that she would be his lover for sure!

And, look at their situation. Who was there in either of their lives who would've been able to help them sort our their feelings? Would anyone in MJ's family or camp have said to him, "Hey, those visions you've been having are actually glimpses of your soulmate that God has been giving you. You ought to pray that He will help you find her."?

Also, on her side, who would've said, "Hey, those intense feelings you have for Michael Jackson means that he is your soulmate and we're gonna help unite the two of you."?

Well, if one is living on Fantasy Island (where I'm currently living, heh, heh:)) then that may have happened, but in "real" life, most people are pretty skeptical and cynical. Of course, in their defense, it is a pretty unique situation and perhaps they just wouldn't have been able to comprehend exactly what was going on or how to help.


STATEofSHOCK said:
I just had another thought. What if "she" is his "match" (meaning in some ways they are exactly alike) or "soul mate" meaning in the context that maybe they have some same soul sourcing, some same "place" they both are coming from (and that could be literally be "from" as in 'planet' too who knows lol right?) and what if the whole problem has been that it just so happens that "she" thinks exactly the way he does lol, -
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Ha! Ha! Yeah, a female "Michael Jackson," as ashtanga says.:)
 
ashtanga said:
Love moves the discussion:

Love should not be demanding,
otherwise he loses his wings and can fly;
it is rooted in the earth and is very mundane.
So it is sensuality and brings great unhappiness and suffering.
Love should not be conditional, nothing should be expected of him.
he should be present, for being here, and not for any reward, and not for any result.
If there is any reason it, again your love can not become the sky. He is confined to the subject, the reason becomes its definition, its border.
A motivated not love has no borders: It is the fragrance of the heart.

Osho

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:clapping: Osho rocks! :punk:

This is the text that I mentioned a few posts ago:

MY MESSAGE IS LOVE

My message is love. In a way, it is very simple, has a less complex - no rituals, no dogmas, no hypothetical philosophy.

Its Approach is very simple and straight toward life.

The little word "love" may contain life. No matter who you love - is irrelevant to whom his love is directed. The important thing is that you should love 24 hours a day, like you breathe.

Just as the breath, love does not need to object. Sometimes you breathe near a friend, sometimes next to a tree and sometimes while swimming in a pool.

Similarly, you should to love. Love should be your inner center of breath, should be as natural as breathing.

In fact, love is the soul the same relationship that has the breath with the body.

In fact, love is the soul the same relationship that has the breath with the body.

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This text makes me think too much about Michael! In fact, nearly all posts Osho makes me think about him! I hope you enjoy! ;)

MysteriousPhoenix said:
I'm beginning to think that maybe the whole thing was just one big misunderstanding.

Just as Justus said, that MJ never knew that "she"" was his true soulmate, perhaps "she" never knew that he was hers. Like MJ sings in "This Is It," "... I never heard a single word about you, falling in love was not my plan, I never thought that I would be your lover, please just understand ..."

Maybe she felt that way too. I mean, to himself and his family, MJ may have been just a regular guy, but to her, maybe he seemed untouchable, unreachable, you know, out of her league. "She" probably never dreamed that she would be his lover for sure!
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Yeah.....maybe! :unsure:

MysteriousPhoenix said:
And, look at their situation. Who was there in either of their lives who would've been able to help them sort our their feelings? Would anyone in MJ's family or camp have said to him, "Hey, those visions you've been having are actually glimpses of your soulmate that God has been giving you. You ought to pray that He will help you find her."?

Also, on her side, who would've said, "Hey, those intense feelings you have for Michael Jackson means that he is your soulmate and we're gonna help unite the two of you."?

Well, if one is living on Fantasy Island (where I'm currently living, heh, heh:)) then that may have happened, but in "real" life, most people are pretty skeptical and cynical. Of course, in their defense, it is a pretty unique situation and perhaps they just wouldn't have been able to comprehend exactly what was going on or how to help.
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And how they could help them? ::scratch:
 
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MysteriousPhoenix said:
Well, if one is living on Fantasy Island (where I'm currently living, heh, heh:)) then that may have happened, but in "real" life, most people are pretty skeptical and cynical.
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Yes, in real life things are COMPLETELY different. :yes:


*I hope you are enjoying it and having a great time in your new home >>> "Fantasy Island". :wild: :D


MysteriousPhoenix said:
Ha! Ha! Yeah, a female "Michael Jackson," as ashtanga says.:)
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I'm glad you agree with me. lol!:D "She" should and must be Michael, the female version of him. Life is made up of agreements and disagreements. :yes: Ms. Jackson should be lost there... "She" is lost somewhere on this planet, but one day God will cause GRANDE MEETING awaited by all. :wild: :wub:



tha said:
:clapping: Osho rocks! :punk:

This is the text that I mentioned a few posts ago:

MY MESSAGE IS LOVE

My message is love. In a way, it is very simple, has a less complex - no rituals, no dogmas, no hypothetical philosophy.

Its Approach is very simple and straight toward life.

The little word "love" may contain life. No matter who you love - is irrelevant to whom his love is directed. The important thing is that you should love 24 hours a day, like you breathe.

Just as the breath, love does not need to object. Sometimes you breathe near a friend, sometimes next to a tree and sometimes while swimming in a pool.

Similarly, you should to love. Love should be your inner center of breath, should be as natural as breathing.

In fact, love is the soul the same relationship that has the breath with the body.

In fact, love is the soul the same relationship that has the breath with the body.

:wub:

This text makes me think too much about Michael! In fact, nearly all posts Osho makes me think about him! I hope you enjoy! ;)



Yeah.....maybe! :unsure:

And how they could help them? ::scratch:
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:clapping:

Osho is wonderful. I love everything this man wrote. This is one of my favorite texts from him. I'm sure anyone who reads the words of Osho will be helped in some way and will cause a great reflection on life, God, love and other things in life.

Thanks for posting. :D
 
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ashtanga said:
Osho is wonderful. I love everything this man wrote. This is one of my favorite texts from him. I'm sure anyone who reads the words of Osho will be helped in some way and will cause a great reflection on life, God, love and other things in life.

Thanks for posting. :D
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Exactly! :yes:
Osho's messages are comforting and always help us! :)
And thank you for reading (you're the only one :lol:)! ;)
 
tha said:
Yeah.....maybe! :unsure:
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Whaddya mean, "Yeah ... maybe!"? I am RIGHT! I am RIGHT! I am sooooo RIGHT that I couldn't be RIGHTER!:lol:


ashtanga said:
I'm glad you agree with me. lol!:D "She" should and must be Michael, the female version of him. Life is made up of agreements and disagreements. :yes: Ms. Jackson should be lost there... "She" is lost somewhere on this planet, but one day God will cause GRANDE MEETING awaited by all. :wild: :wub:
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Ha! Ha! A female "Michael Jackson!" What in thee world must she be like!:D
 
queen g said:
"[MJ] knows how to get a message across to a specific person and he knows how to get a message out to the masses."
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Yeah!!!! He knows and I love it! :)

queen g said:
So I guess she, that specific person, is one who is very good at hearing the lyrics clearly and knowing just what he is saying. And she probably has that kind of confidence to help her do it too. I can't relate...but it must be very nice.
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:yes:

queen g said:
That kind of love must be really nice. :wub: It seems to help make things easier. Makes one strong and determined and successful. Who wants struggle or perserverence?
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Oh, yes! That kind of love must be really very nice! This is a good feeling that can't be explained, just can be feeling! :wub:

queen g said:
Nothing good ever comes easy.
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This makes me remember a Richie Sambora's song (oh, God....me and my songs....:lol: ):

HARD TIMES COME EASY

It's amazing
We go through changes
When times get crazy
It's up and down
It's hot and cold
These complications
Just keep on coming
There ain't no running
When it comes to life
That's how it goes

Round and round we go
Sometimes it feels like
We're on a roller coaster ride
Baby don't you know
It could eat you up
If you try to keep it all inside

Seems like hard times come easy
We do a lot of hanging on these days
But the heart finds a reason
And love always seems to find a way
Even if it hurts
Even if it hurts us baby

There's gonna be thunder
There's gonna be rain
There's gonna be those times
We both get caught up in the pain
The realization
Keeps sinking in
The way you make it
Is learn to take it on the chin

Round and round we go
It's just a another day
With trouble knocking at your door
Baby don't you know
We can work it out
'Cause we always seem to find a cure

Seems like hard times come easy
We do a lot of hanging on these days
But the heart finds a reason
And love always seems to find a way
Even if it hurts
Even if it hurts you baby
Even if it hurts
Even if it hurts you baby

Round and round we go
Sometimes it feels like
We're on a roller coaster ride
But baby don't you know
We'll keep holding on
Through the changes that we feel inside

Seems like hard times come easy
We do a lot of hanging on these days
But the heart finds a reason
And love always seems to find a way

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3iZTfESvkk&feature=fvst

;)

MysteriousPhoenix said:
Whaddya mean, "Yeah ... maybe!"? I am RIGHT! I am RIGHT! I am sooooo RIGHT that I couldn't be RIGHTER!:lol:
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Ok, ok...you're right! You couldn't be RIGHTER!
Relax....don't kill me! :lol: :lmao:
 
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Nope, in tens and twenties. :lol:




humour? I think the price paid would be the struggle to get to the love. The journey perhaps? The troubles encountered on the way.
 
queen g said:
"[MJ] knows how to get a message across to a specific person and he knows how to get a message out to the masses."
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Exactly. Michael is a genius. He really knows what to do, when to do and how to show the world. He is a complete artist. I can also say that besides being the King of Pop, he is the King of Subliminal Messages and Mysteries. lol! :wild: :D


MysteriousPhoenix said:
Whaddya mean, "Yeah ... maybe!"? I am RIGHT! I am RIGHT! I am sooooo RIGHT that I couldn't be RIGHTER!:lol:
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:scratch:

:smilerolleyes:

I do not agree with you. lol! :wild: :smilerolleyes: And... I agree with Tha. lol! :D "Yeah... maybe" ... Hey, nobody is 100% sure of anything in this world. lol! Here are all just speculating what MAY BE be true and you know the TRUTH and what is the REALITY is far from our eyes. :cheeky:

Please do not kill me for it! lol! :bugeyed Hey, I know that you too will agree with me. :yes: :D :smilerolleyes:





MysteriousPhoenix said:
Ha! Ha! A female "Michael Jackson!" What in thee world must she be like!:D
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Yes!!!! :wild: :D :wub:
 
STATEofSHOCK said:
Where he says, "and it seems as though ... for a thousand years ... tell me that you've seen my face before, and you said to me you don't want me hangin' around" -
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Could that be about LMP???

I think like maybe when mj was trying to get lmp to be his girl, i think she tried to like brush him off.
 
ashtanga said:
I agree with Tha. lol! "Yeah... maybe" ... Hey, nobody is 100% sure of anything in this world. lol! Here are all just speculating what MAY BE be true and you know the TRUTH and what is the REALITY is far from our eyes. :cheeky:

Please do not kill me for it! lol! :bugeyed Hey, I know that you too will agree with me. :yes: :D :smilerolleyes:
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Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!!!! :)
Maybe, maybe, maybe!

One more person to you kill, MP! :p :rofl:
 
ashtanga said:
I do not agree with you. lol! :wild: :smilerolleyes: And... I agree with Tha. lol! :D "Yeah... maybe" ... Hey, nobody is 100% sure of anything in this world. lol! Here are all just speculating what MAY BE be true and you know theTRUTH and what is the REALITY is far from our eyes. :cheeky:
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Awww, thank you ashtanga for admitting that I know the truth - and what is reality if far from everyone's eyes!:cheeky:
 
MysteriousPhoenix said:
Awww, thank you ashtanga for admitting that I know the truth - and what is reality if far from everyone's eyes!:cheeky:
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:clapping: Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Very Good!!!!!

You see? No use you argue with me. lol! :wild: :smilerolleyes: In the end you always end up agreeing with me and you know I'm right. :D

Thanks for agreeing with me. :cheeky:

:cheers:

:smilerolleyes:
 
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