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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

queen g said:
^ So, AllforMJ, you might then, after your recent look over these songs on MimiK's list, be now thinking something like MysteriousPhoenix suggested, and that is that the woman he now loves came into the picture for the first time...post Dangerous, in fact, post Invincible (but pre Number Ones)? Do I have that right?
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The first time he showed signs that he was starting to feel better and when he smiled again, where he was also smiling with his eyes, was in 2002.

STATEofSHOCK said:
AllforMJ, you've certainly followed the time-line very well and I suppose this "play by play" could be categorized as "Love Story" (or story of MJ's love life).

This may sound strange, off-track or far-fetched, but I feel that whomever 'Jack' is ever with, (past, present or future), will hopefully actually be able to empathically 'intuit' him, to the point of being able to literally "feel the earth move under her feet whenever he's around", without hearing anyone say his name or seeing him with her eyes, but will 'recognize' the feeling, to the point of knowing its him without question. I mean that's just how sensitive I'd hope someone with him is, or would be.

I feel its important, because a lot of men would like their women to be able to "read them" and "feel them" when they are often impossibly "unfeeling" themselves and don't pay very detailed attention themselves, and dont give a woman very much to 'intuit', and sometimes will "skip out" on her if she doesn't, and how unfair is that, but with MJ, being so spiritually sensitive, it seems that that someone will have to be aware of very much that he doesn't say, and be sensitive when he does speak because of how focused and deliberate his is. That's my MJ wish for the day :wub: Whomever she is, whenever she is, is extremely sensitive.

My MJ wish for tomorrow is that he be "equally yoked" with whomever, whenever, so that they have the same values, thereby, good communication and an uncomplicated, harmonious and faith-filled (faithful) life together :yes: .

Tomorrow I won't be on so I'm posting tomorrow's wish now :giggle:
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StateOfShock, what you've just said sounds very much like what MJ is hoping for. It's in his poem "I You We."

I You We

I said you had to do it. You said you didn't want to. We talked about it, and we agreed that maybe I could help. I said you were wrong. You insisted you were right. We held each other's hand, and right and wrong disappeared.

I began crying. You began crying, too. We embraced, and between us grew a flower of peace. How I love this mystery called We! Where does it come from, out of thin air? I thought about this mystery, and I realized something : We must be love's favorite child, because until I reach out for you, We is not even there. It arrives on the wings of tenderness : it speaks through our silent understanding. When I laugh at myself, it smiles. When I forgive you, it dances in jubilation.

So We is not a choice anymore, not if you and I want to grow with one another. We unites us, increases our strength; it picks up our burden when you and I are ready to let it fall. The truth is that you and I would have given up long ago, but We won't let us. It is too wise. "Look into your hearts," it says. "What do you see? Not you and I, but only We."


***Silent understanding***
 
AllForMJ said:
The first time he showed signs that he was starting to feel better and when he smiled again, where he was also smiling with his eyes, was in 2002.


StateOfShock, what you've just said sounds very much like what MJ is hoping for. It's in his poem "I You We."

I You We

I said you had to do it. You said you didn't want to. We talked about it, and we agreed that maybe I could help. I said you were wrong. You insisted you were right. We held each other's hand, and right and wrong disappeared.

I began crying. You began crying, too. We embraced, and between us grew a flower of peace. How I love this mystery called We! Where does it come from, out of thin air? I thought about this mystery, and I realized something : We must be love's favorite child, because until I reach out for you, We is not even there. It arrives on the wings of tenderness : it speaks through our silent understanding. When I laugh at myself, it smiles. When I forgive you, it dances in jubilation.

So We is not a choice anymore, not if you and I want to grow with one another. We unites us, increases our strength; it picks up our burden when you and I are ready to let it fall. The truth is that you and I would have given up long ago, but We won't let us. It is too wise. "Look into your hearts," it says. "What do you see? Not you and I, but only We."


***Silent understanding***
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Wow. This is beautiful. It could be interpreted as being another person, but then again - maybe it's interpretation is that MJ has finally made peace with the most important person of all - himself?
 
AllForMJ said:
The first time he showed signs that he was starting to feel better and when he smiled again, where he was also smiling with his eyes, was in 2002.
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I am not disagreeing with you at all, but because I wasn't around in 2002 I didn't get to see this. Is there a time in particular you are thinking of the smile? Isn't that when Blanket was born, in 2002? Could the smile have come from that as well? (I know it doesn't explain the love songs, but I don't know if it can be discounted..that very special event) I wondered if you have photos of his smile that you describe and if you could share them. Was it an instant thing where he went from a sad smile to the smile from the inside, or was it a gradual change?

also, maybe I'm out to lunch with my time line. I only remember things happening from after I came along into this MJ fan world and this was before my time...lol.

So.. 911 happened through his MSG performances (Sept 11 2001), then he released Invincible in October 2001, I guess he must have either been with someone or decided to have a baby during sometime along that time, then 9 months later sometime in 2002 Blanket would have been born? He was also dealing with the Sony/Matolla wars during this time? Then where does the Oxford speech come in ? Is it before or after or during the Bashir (sham of an) interview? Sometime in there was also the Virgin records signing? Could someone help me out with the timeline? Then I know after Bashir came the take two rebuttal interview. Then his Private Home Movies, then Number Ones and then the hellish false accusations and the arrest etc while he was making a new music film for One More Chance?
 
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AllForMJ said:
The first time he showed signs that he was starting to feel better and when he smiled again, where he was also smiling with his eyes, was in 2002.


StateOfShock, what you've just said sounds very much like what MJ is hoping for. It's in his poem "I You We."

I You We

I said you had to do it. You said you didn't want to. We talked about it, and we agreed that maybe I could help. I said you were wrong. You insisted you were right. We held each other's hand, and right and wrong disappeared.

I began crying. You began crying, too. We embraced, and between us grew a flower of peace. How I love this mystery called We! Where does it come from, out of thin air? I thought about this mystery, and I realized something : We must be love's favorite child, because until I reach out for you, We is not even there. It arrives on the wings of tenderness : it speaks through our silent understanding. When I laugh at myself, it smiles. When I forgive you, it dances in jubilation.

So We is not a choice anymore, not if you and I want to grow with one another. We unites us, increases our strength; it picks up our burden when you and I are ready to let it fall. The truth is that you and I would have given up long ago, but We won't let us. It is too wise. "Look into your hearts," it says. "What do you see? Not you and I, but only We."


***Silent understanding***
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Quote: I You We

I said you had to do it. You said you didn't want to. We talked about it, and we agreed that maybe I could help. I said you were wrong. You insisted you were right. We held each other's hand, and right and wrong disappeared.

I began crying. You began crying, too. We embraced, and between us grew a flower of peace. How I love this mystery called We! Where does it come from, out of thin air? I thought about this mystery, and I realized something : We must be love's favorite child, because until I reach out for you, We is not even there. It arrives on the wings of tenderness : it speaks through our silent understanding. When I laugh at myself, it smiles. When I forgive you, it dances in jubilation.

So We is not a choice anymore, not if you and I want to grow with one another. We unites us, increases our strength; it picks up our burden when you and I are ready to let it fall. The truth is that you and I would have given up long ago, but We won't let us. It is too wise. "Look into your hearts," it says. "What do you see? Not you and I, but only We."

:angel:This is a definate favorite...Smiles~~~
 
LindaC781 said:
Wow. This is beautiful. It could be interpreted as being another person, but then again - maybe it's interpretation is that MJ has finally made peace with the most important person of all - himself?
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That could seem likely IF the way he listed the tracks on his "Number Ones" CD in 2003 are ignored, and if the things that he's been doing and saying since then are also ignored.

The songs on his "Number Ones" CD are listed as follows:

1. Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough
2. Rock With You
3. Billie Jean
4. Beat It
5. Thriller
6. I Just Can't Stop Loving You
7. Bad
8. Smooth Criminal
9. The Way You Make Me Feel
10. Man In The Mirror
11. Dirty Diana
12. Black Or White
13. You Are Not Alone
14. Earth Song
15. You Rock My World
16. Break Of Dawn
17. One More Chance
18. Ben (Live)

All of the songs on his "Number Ones" CD are listed in chronological order except "Ben (Live") which should have been listed first. And, notice that "Ben (Live)" follows "One More Chance."

"Ben (Live)," although it is about a pet, it is out of sequence, and it is the only song listed that says, "I used to say I and me. Now it's us. Now it's we."

Also, the last song listed in "The Ultimate Collection" box set is "We've Had Enough." "We've Had Enough" follows "Beautiful Girl" and "The Way You Love Me."

In addition to this, in "Hold My Hand" he said, "This life don't last forever. So, tell me what we're waiting for. We're better off being together, than being miserable alone. 'Cause I've been there before and you've been there before, but together we can be alright. 'Cause when it gets dark and when it gets cold, we hold each other till we see the sunlight."

He's starting to say we and in "For All Time," which is the last song listed on "Thriller 25," he said, "...two hearts belong so well."
 
MJJC Momma said:
I think a woman in Michael's life would have to be the not jealous type. There's so much out there and girls always hugging and wanting from Michael. There has to be an acceptable balance especially if he's coming home to her at night/or...whenever :scratch:

The manhood thread is a trip and I think I'd have some serious adjusting to do if my hubby had threads made about him like that one or even this one.

I think it would be hard for Michael to find someone who can deal with all that and remain uneffected. My own thoughts would be he'd have to find a very strong woman.
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First, thanks guys that the thread got back on track. It's much nicer to read now. :yes:

And second, I'm just quoting MJJC Momma's post ,but others who replied to it had great points as well. I'm just too lazy to go through all posts again and quote everyone. :lol:

I think it would depend a lot from MJ's own behaviour, how jealous his "other half" would have to feel. I mean, the way he is now...where he hugs and kisses everyone and their mother and holds hands with everyone and all that....I don't think anyone would get jealous about that? Because, like I said, he does that with EVERYONE and it doesn't have any "special" meaning (as in...it's not like he's totally flirting with everyone). And even when he sometimes kind of "flirts" he isn't like "Hey baby, what cha doing tonight?" ;) *slaps girl's behind* If he were like THAT, I think that would be kind of hard to deal with for ANY girl who was with him, jealous type or not. You know, if you'd have to worry he is gonna ask all these girls out or is gonna have sex with them, that would drive anyone nuts. But what he does now, it's just more like "caring hugs and kisses" than "flirting", or anything like that. Then again...it's a completely different thing if he'd act how he acted with Lisa while married to Debbie. If I would have been Debbie, he would have been in MAJOR trouble and reading his divorce papers right away. :angry: :lol: (You know, kissing her on the mouth, etc.) So in my opinion a lot would depend on how MJ acts with the fans and other girls. Not so much how fans and other girls act with MJ. I mean, who cares if all the females are hitting on your boyfriend/husband, if he doesn't really "care" about it and doesn't "take an advantage" of all that? If you know you can trust him, who cares what the girls do. And if they do it in front of YOU in a very disrespctful way...well, if he has any respect for you, he'll make sure he lets them know he isn't interested or doesn't approve that. Celebrity or not.

Anyways...just my two cents.
 
summer said:
First, thanks guys that the thread got back on track. It's much nicer to read now. :yes:

And second, I'm just quoting MJJC Momma's post ,but others who replied to it had great points as well. I'm just too lazy to go through all posts again and quote everyone. :lol:

I think it would depend a lot from MJ's own behaviour, how jealous his "other half" would have to feel. I mean, the way he is now...where he hugs and kisses everyone and their mother and holds hands with everyone and all that....I don't think anyone would get jealous about that? Because, like I said, he does that with EVERYONE and it doesn't have any "special" meaning (as in...it's not like he's totally flirting with everyone). And even when he sometimes kind of "flirts" he isn't like "Hey baby, what cha doing tonight?" ;) *slaps girl's behind* If he were like THAT, I think that would be kind of hard to deal with for ANY girl who was with him, jealous type or not. You know, if you'd have to worry he is gonna ask all these girls out or is gonna have sex with them, that would drive anyone nuts. But what he does now, it's just more like "caring hugs and kisses" than "flirting", or anything like that. Then again...it's a completely different thing if he'd act how he acted with Lisa while married to Debbie. If I would have been Debbie, he would have been in MAJOR trouble and reading his divorce papers right away. :angry: :lol: (You know, kissing her on the mouth, etc.) So in my opinion a lot would depend on how MJ acts with the fans and other girls. Not so much how fans and other girls act with MJ. I mean, who cares if all the females are hitting on your boyfriend/husband, if he doesn't really "care" about it and doesn't "take an advantage" of all that? If you know you can trust him, who cares what the girls do. And if they do it in front of YOU in a very disrespctful way...well, if he has any respect for you, he'll make sure he lets them know he isn't interested or doesn't approve that. Celebrity or not.

Anyways...just my two cents.
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Awwwwwwwwwwww beautiful post! Congratulations! :)​
 
queen g said:
I see what you are saying, Safira. Just like we don't know MJ personally, we also do not know his lady friend personally and shouldn't be "speaking" for her.

I guess we know that, but get carried away. Will you be patient with us if we slip up in this way again?

You give us a good reminder, though. :yes: :)



And, Summer, good post! :flowers:
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ofcourse! I think we all get carried away sometimes :)
I am just stating my view on things so please do not take it personal Queen G (or anyone else for that matter).

:cupid:
 
I think we are all doing a great job sharing our thoughts of individuality...

Keep it going...Love It..!

:angel:Knowledge Is Growth
 
I was reminded that he likes Charlie Chaplin ... One intelligent man, and poet ... Michael Jackson and Chaplin: are gentleman, sensitive, loving and gentle with people ... Your talents are like magic in touch ... I love and admire the art of Michael and Claplin ... teachers are brilliant.
 
Ape said:
I am not disagreeing with you at all, but because I wasn't around in 2002 I didn't get to see this. Is there a time in particular you are thinking of the smile? Isn't that when Blanket was born, in 2002? Could the smile have come from that as well? (I know it doesn't explain the love songs, but I don't know if it can be discounted..that very special event) I wondered if you have photos of his smile that you describe and if you could share them. Was it an instant thing where he went from a sad smile to the smile from the inside, or was it a gradual change?

also, maybe I'm out to lunch with my time line. I only remember things happening from after I came along into this MJ fan world and this was before my time...lol.

So.. 911 happened through his MSG performances (Sept 11 2001), then he released Invincible in October 2001, I guess he must have either been with someone or decided to have a baby during sometime along that time, then 9 months later sometime in 2002 Blanket would have been born? He was also dealing with the Sony/Matolla wars during this time? Then where does the Oxford speech come in ? Is it before or after or during the Bashir (sham of an) interview? Sometime in there was also the Virgin records signing? Could someone help me out with the timeline? Then I know after Bashir came the take two rebuttal interview. Then his Private Home Movies, then Number Ones and then the hellish false accusations and the arrest etc while he was making a new music film for One More Chance?
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It was a gradual change. It started with a cute smile that showed he was in a fighting mood. LOL When I saw it, I was thinking, "Someone is about to get it!"

:lol:
 
queen g said:
Wow, what a breakdown of all the events around that time, Ape. He had a lot on his plate there for awhile, poor guy. :(
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Yeah, he surrrrre did! But the beautiful thing is...he made it through it all!
:wild:

God is good all the time!!

:yes: :D

Thank You, God! You are awesome and mighty!
:flowers:
 
Manu Break of Dawn said:
I was reminded that he likes Charlie Chaplin ... One intelligent man, and poet ... Michael Jackson and Chaplin: are gentleman, sensitive, loving and gentle with people ... Your talents are like magic in touch ... I love and admire the art of Michael and Claplin ... teachers are brilliant.
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Welcome Manu! Remembered very well: Charlie Chaplin. An incredible and brilliant man and so Michael is a great admirer of the work of this man who also wrote beautiful things. Michael Chaplin and is a perfect combination! :)​
 
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Welcome Manu! Remembered very well: Charlie Chaplin. An incredible and brilliant man and so Michael is a great admirer of the work of this man who also wrote beautiful things. Michael Chaplin and is a perfect combination!
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Owwwwww...Ashantanga and Queen g Thank's...I agree: "Michael Chaplin and is a perfect combination!" ...Side all..Perfect Sentence...Thank my friend's...I am happy here...Kisses
 
Hmmm ... I'm having another one of my "inspired" moments.:artist:
Hey, when my muse speaks, I gotta listen, man!:lol:









Through the Fire

I look in your eyes and I can see
We've loved so dangerously
You're not trusting your heart to anyone
You tell me you're gonna play it smart
We're through before we start
But I believe that we've only just begun

When it's this good, there's no saying no
I want you so, I'm ready to go ...

CHORUS:
Through the fire, to the limit, to the wall
For a chance to be with you
I'd gladly risk it all
Through the fire
Through whatever, come what may
For a chance at loving you
I'd take it all the way
Right down to the wire
Even through the fire

I know you're afraid of what you feel
You still need time to heal
And I can help if you'll only let me try
You touch me and something in me knew
What I could have with you
Now I'm not ready
to kiss that dream goodbye

When it's this sweet, there's no saying no
I need you so, I'm ready to go

CHORUS

Through the test of time

CHORUS

To the wire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever
Through the fire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever
Through the fire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever ...
 
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MysteriousPhoenix said:
I'm having another one of my "inspired" moments.:artist:Hey, when my muse speaks, I gotta listen, man!:lol:






Through the Fire

I look in your eyes and I can see
We've loved so dangerously
You're not trusting your heart to anyone
You tell me you're gonna play it smart
We're through before we start
But I believe that we've only just begun

When it's this good, there's no saying no
I want you so, I'm ready to go ...

CHORUS:
Through the fire, to the limit, to the wall
For a chance to be with you
I'd gladly risk it all
Through the fire
Through whatever, come what may
For a chance at loving you
I'd take it all the way
Right down to the wire
Even through the fire

I know you're afraid of what you feel
You still need time to heal
And I can help if you'll only let me try
You touch me and something in me knew
What I could have with you
Now I'm not ready
to kiss that dream goodbye

When it's this sweet, there's no saying no
I need you so, I'm ready to go

CHORUS

Through the test of time

CHORUS

To the wire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever
Through the fire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever
Through the fire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever ...
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Wow! :wild: This music is wonderful! That was more than a "Love is in the air..." :wub:lol! Now you have an inspiring muse? Hummmmm :smilerolleyes::wild:​
 
chaka !! love that !!

mike would kill that track if he did it !!

Michael !! Sing some CHaka for us on the next CD Heeheeeheeee that would rock my socks boiy :D

make my millenium and cover her ish ... Please ??????

love you man ... you have my heart :wub:
 
heck yeh mj singing Chaka.........that would be awesome! :wild:
 
lawd how that man's voice has soothed me in times of great despair. I hope he finds it in his heart to do some dates in the USA after the london gigs are over and he has had a chance to rest a little.

I know how he reallydoesn't care to tour but ... to see him once again...in person. When I saw him last in 2001 i was not really a fan. It was after the shows and the events of 911 that I became fully aware of the beauty of Michael. The love and compassion of his fans embraced me in a time of great loss and pain. He was there to comfort me with his songs. The memories that i had shared through Michael his music and the lasting memories that bonded me to the ones I lost. The people that reached out to me, they showed me what i had not seen in michael's message before.

I made it through that dark time in my life with the help of Michael and his loving fans. It sounds sappy and corny but it is what it is. I will forever be in debt to him for what he has given me.

wow, i need to go to bed. I am soooo rambling on and on :doh: let me shut up now Heehee

take care people and be kind to one another :wub:
 
MysteriousPhoenix said:
Hmmm ... I'm having another one of my "inspired" moments.:artist:
Hey, when my muse speaks, I gotta listen, man!:lol:









Through the Fire

I look in your eyes and I can see
We've loved so dangerously
You're not trusting your heart to anyone
You tell me you're gonna play it smart
We're through before we start
But I believe that we've only just begun

When it's this good, there's no saying no
I want you so, I'm ready to go ...

CHORUS:
Through the fire, to the limit, to the wall
For a chance to be with you
I'd gladly risk it all
Through the fire
Through whatever, come what may
For a chance at loving you
I'd take it all the way
Right down to the wire
Even through the fire

I know you're afraid of what you feel
You still need time to heal
And I can help if you'll only let me try
You touch me and something in me knew
What I could have with you
Now I'm not ready
to kiss that dream goodbye

When it's this sweet, there's no saying no
I need you so, I'm ready to go

CHORUS

Through the test of time

CHORUS

To the wire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever
Through the fire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever
Through the fire, to the limit
Through the fire, through whatever ...
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Aw Man MP - that's yet another one of my favorite songs!! Love it!! Thanks for posting!
 
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