Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

You're right, Moddie777! He DID say "I can will you near to me" in "Butterflies!"

CD Cover:
All I gotta say is that I must be dreaming, can't be real
You're not here with me, still I can feel you near me

MJ:
All I got to say is that I must be dreaming, can't be real
You're not here with me. See, but I can will you near to me (1:40)

He surrrre did say that! That shows MJ will sometime tap into the spiritual side to get some things accomplished....

Annnnnd if he's finding himself being drawn to someone in a spiritual way, it makes things a little more interesting. It means having to look below the surface of things...look beyond what's trivial. It gives him a little more to do.

He is a very curious person and he's also very tenacious. It seems like he would get bored very quickly if something is too simple.

If his relationship with her is spiritual, he'll have to look deeper in order to get a feel of what they are going. Plus, he likes mystery.

:yes:

Yep! Yep! Yep!

Thanks to mysteriousphoenix, I believe we have now firgured how just "How" these two lovebird"s story began...
 
Maybe it's just me, but if I was a celebrity I would not like guys constantly looking at me in that way, and the idea that men were out there daydremaing about me "in that way" would make me very uneasy. Now when I was a young girl and guys were obviously looking at me like that, I guess it was kind of flattering...but it didn't make me drawn to them at all, but it made me hope that one day when the right guy came into my life that "he" would find me attractive like that. I've always had tunnel vision, and have always only wanted one guy and that to be the right guy.

MJ has had girls drooling over him for decades. Don't you think even the flattering side of that by now has become at least somewhat deluted? But if he discovers, and may have already, that his lady love looks at him in this way...now that's different...he might just give a big jump up with his fist in the air and come down with it... yelling a mighty, "YES! She wants me! Yes, yes, yes!"

See the difference? And if he is like that, and she is like that, then she will not let all the fans' drooling over him get to her too much. Right? Like you say, it's just a part of the way things are due to his celebrity. It comes with it.

Yes but that was not what I was talking about!
I was talking about how she FELT about it. One thing is what you think. Logical. Love is not logical!
-Ofcourse love is different and maybe a lot more patient when you get past the "young" part of your life.
But being in love often makes people feel like teenagers inside.
Although they can handle the jalouxy on the outside, and tell themselves on the inside that nothing is going to happen, STILL theres an uncomfortable feeling when theres people who wants to be the no.1 for your man.

Just because he's a celeb, it doesent meen that her feelings are different. I don't think that true love is based on wether she is capable to not be jaloux about he's females fans or not. Maybe she's TOTALLY jaloux.

Theres no "I think she would have to be".
She is who she is, and people fall in love despite of everything.

Ofcourse Michael Jackson himself is living with it everyday. To him it's nothing more than everyday life. I think he finds it flattering at times, but mostly he's just living with it and not thinking about it so much.
and if theres a woman then ofcourse - sorry girls, but he could'nt care less about our flirty screaming or wanting to hug him..

Thats what I think :)
 
Oh me oh my, I have so many little things to say here. If I wasn't here posting I would be prepping a room to paint, so I think I'll put that off for a lttle longer...

Thing that gets me about his wanting a woman who is a challenge and is a mystery...well, you'd think with the way his life is and how difficult it is for him to trust someone that he would appreciate a woman who is rather honest, transparent and easy to read, so he knows quickly just what she's all about without any guessing games. Then trust can come easier. But....at the same time, if a woman is not a game player at all, and always herself and honest and real and doesn't like being crafty (which to be honest, he is at times)...wouldn't that bore him after about five minutes? Where's the challenge? Is the thing he needs the very thing that would be dull for him?

As far as MJ is concerned, God could hand cater a special unique situation for him that the average person would find absolutely UNBELIEVABLE. But no matter. God just loves His kids and wants to help. :D And He has every intention of bringing His purposes about. Isn't that a good thing?

(now should I go get a paintbrush and get going with my home improvement project, instead of all of this yada, yada, yada...haha)
Awwwwww, the thread is stopping you from painting? LOL

Well, on the mystery part...

MJ probably needed something interesting to put his mind on. Around the "Invincible" era he was very unhappy. He was feeling depressed. A deep thinking person that is deeply unhappy would spend a lot of time thinking about the things that they are unhappy about. Now if someone suddenly appears, as he mentioned in "You Are My Life," that would instantly be a mysterious occurrence.

If MJ found himself being attracted to this person, he would at first wonder why he is. Her being able to get his attention would be a mystery. Especially, if he's finding himself being willing to trust her after being unable to trust anyone for so long.

Plus, we must remember that the Lord works in mysterious ways. God's very presence is a mystery. If He's involved, and He's using her, she too will seem much like a mystery to MJ.

But, as long as she is not hurting him, and with him being a person that is very curious, he will look closer. He will take time feel her out. If he likes what he is noticing and it is interesting to him, he will have something else to put his mind on other than what was making him depressed.

In "One More Chance" he said he wants her to help him make the mystery unfold, so he isn't too bothered by it or he wouldn't be willing to search for her. God knew just how to move MJ along and help him shake off the blues.

:)
 
So, if in the song Butterflies he sings the word "will" instead of "feel", why do you think he didn't just have it that way in the written lyrics? Do you think he thought it would be too controversial or something?


Often are the times when Michael's cd lyrics do not match the words he is singing as you listen to a particular song on any given cd or album.

I used to think this was an error on the part of the person or persons who are repsonsible for typing up the lyrics for the artist but now it could be something totally different:

The same thing happens with the dvd of "who is it", those words typed at bottom of screen as you view the short film are NOT the exact same words in the dangerous booklet of the "who is it song". The dvd words to that song in particular add a very disturbing and more in depth layer to the song.
 
^ That's interesting. I wonder what you mean by 'disturbing' and in depth :unsure:

nvm, that might be asking too much

Its probably way too painful anyway if its any more painful than the song.
 
I think it's the way Michael works... He is very perfectionist and he not only sings the songs but he feels them, he lives the songs while singing... So it would mean that no work is done before the song is completey recorded. And maybe the lyrics on the cds booklets are printed before the end of the recording sessions or maybe nobody thinks the differeces are important enough to change what they'll print... Just a thought...
 
Often are the times when Michael's cd lyrics do not match the words he is singing as you listen to a particular song on any given cd or album.

I used to think this was an error on the part of the person or persons who are repsonsible for typing up the lyrics for the artist but now it could be something totally different:

The same thing happens with the dvd of "who is it", those words typed at bottom of screen as you view the short film are NOT the exact same words in the dangerous booklet of the "who is it song". The dvd words to that song in particular add a very disturbing and more in depth layer to the song.

There's lots of songs that have lil differences to them - never really thought too hard on why it was. Never paid attention to the words on who is it video either - now I'm gonna have to go look :yes:

I think it's the way Michael works... He is very perfectionist and he not only sings the songs but he feels them, he lives the songs while singing... So it would mean that no work is done before the song is completey recorded. And maybe the lyrics on the cds booklets are printed before the end of the recording sessions or maybe nobody thinks the differeces are important enough to change what they'll print... Just a thought...

That's possible I've often thought when he sings them in concert and he sings them differently it's more just how he feels at the time.
 
yea I sing.. On a serious level kinda :)
Music is a big part of my identity!

Hmm I think that if there is a woman in Michaels life then she doesent accept the female fans drooling ^^ not by heart. Noone would!

She probably just looks the other way.. She doesent go into the thread "Michaels Manhood" thats for shure!! :lmao: Everyone in that thread is feeling bad about being there because they know that it's over the top :lol: So funny!!


Talking about how the "chosen one" would have to deal with Michael's fans...

I think she would hve to be a self confident girl, and she would have to trust Michael and take his love seriously. If she believes in his love and if she knows she's good enough for him, why worry? Besides, this "fan thing" is just a fan thing... It's part of his job and, as important as it can be to him sometimes, this love doesn't get even near to the love he would have from his girl.

That's what I think...

And, if it was me, I'd probabily laugh til death reading the Michael's Manhood thread and I'd feel very proud of my man! Lol :rofl:
 
I've been working on this...found a website that let me create a T-Shirt!! How about this?? Maybe the letters could be glittery? Maybe add a musical note or two??

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There's lots of songs that have lil differences to them - never really thought too hard on why it was. Never paid attention to the words on who is it video either - now I'm gonna have to go look :yes:



That's possible I've often thought when he sings them in concert and he sings them differently it's more just how he feels at the time.

Exactly what I think.. :yes:
 
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It seems like she would have to find a way to accept it, because it is a big part of MJ's life. There will never be a time when someone doesn't want him. He is man that many women across the globe want to be with.

If you listen closely to the song "Dangerous," you will notice that it is about women sometimes not caring that he is with someone. In the first part of the song, a woman that is drop dead gorgeous walks into the room at a function. All the men, including him, are looking at her. She walks up to him and starts talking to him right in front of his woman. She didn't care at all that his woman was standing there with him. She totally disregarded her. She's telling him that he talked to her on the phone, she's trying to persuade him to leave with her, and she is saying all of this to him and doing all of this with his woman standing right there. His woman was so hurt by it, that she left crying. She left him standing there with the woman that had walked up to him in front of her.

Lyrics from Dangerous

The way she came into the place
I knew right then and there
There was something different
About this girl

The way she moved
Her hair, her face, her lines
Divinity in motion

As she stalked the room
I could feel the aura
Of her presence
Every head turned
Feeling passion and lust

The girl was persuasive
The girl I could not trust
The girl was bad
The girl was dangerous

I never knew but I was
Walking the line
Come go with me
I said I have no time
She said don't you pretend we didn't
Talk on the phone
My baby cried
And left me standing alone

Being MJ's woman is probably very hard because of him being someone that so many women want. The only way that the relationship could be a lasting one is if she is able to remember that he is a huge star and that there will never be a time that someone doesn't want him. It comes with the territory.

But, it will also take him doing certain things too. Although he will never want to make his female fans (famous or non-famous) feel like he doesn't care about them, he will still need to do certain things to show his woman that no one will ever be able to take him from her. It seems like it would be a bit of a challenge. It guess a lot of it would be his woman's ability to not sweat the small stuff, but sometimes I'm sure she will have to deal with extreme things as well. Still in all, she would have to try and give MJ the benefit of the doubt.

Actually, if we are paying close attention to what is being said in "Hold My Hand," he is already saying nothing will come between them.

Hold my hand
Baby, I promise that I'll do all I can
Things will get better if you just
Hold my hand
Nothing can come between us
If you'll just hold, hold my, hold my hand

"Hold My Hand" is a song of reassurance. It has a promise in it.

I think there will probably be times where she'd be better off staying at home. It seems like some things will be good for her to attend, and some won't. But, as Momma Shannon mentioned, he'll go home to the woman that he loves.

MJ's woman will have to learn to trust MJ on this part of the relationship. Being trusted seems to be something that he's been wanting someone to do for a very long time. Notice that he gets very upset when he is not trusted.

And, MJ will have to make sure no one causes him to slip up. There will be times when he will come across women that do not want to take no for an answer and will push up on him. But at the same time, if many around him know that he is spoken for, those around him will know exactly why he's turning women down, even if they are drop dead gorgeous and have all the right things in all the right places.

He loves women a lot and because of that, he may not always be able to stop himself from wanting to look. But, if he's keeping in mind how long it took him to find a particular type of woman to have in his immediate life, when it comes to giving in to those trying to persuade him to spend the night with them, he'll say no can do. I can just hear MJ saying, "You look good, darling, I won't deny that. But, I dearly love the woman that I have and she was very hard to find."
 
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It seems like she would have to find a way to accept it, because it is a big part of MJ's life. There will never be a time when someone doesn't want him. He is man that many women across the globe want to be with.

If you listen closely to the song "Dangerous," you will notice that it is about women sometimes not caring that he is with someone. In the first part of the song, a woman that is drop dead gorgeous walks into the room at a function. All the men, including him, are looking at her. She walks up to him and starts talking to him right in front of his woman. She didn't care at all that his woman was standing there with him. She totally disregarded her. She's telling him that he talked to her on the phone, she's trying to persuade him to leave with her, and she is saying all of this to him and doing all of this with his woman standing right there. His woman was so hurt by it, that she left crying. She left him standing there with the woman that had walked up to him in front of her.

Lyrics from Dangerous

The way she came into the place
I knew right then and there
There was something different
About this girl

The way she moved
Her hair, her face, her lines
Divinity in motion

As she stalked the room
I could feel the aura
Of her presence
Every head turned
Feeling passion and lust

The girl was persuasive
The girl I could not trust
The girl was bad
The girl was dangerous

I never knew but I was
Walking the line
Come go with me
I said I have no time
She said don't you pretend we didn't
Talk on the phone
My baby cried
And left me standing alone

Being MJ's woman is probably very hard because of him being someone that so many women want. The only way that the relationship could be a lasting one is if she is able to remember that he is a huge star and that there will never be a time that someone doesn't want him. It comes with the territory.

But, it will also take him doing certain things too. Although he will never want to make his female fans (famous or non-famous) feel like he doesn't care about them, he will still need to do certain things to show his woman that no one will ever be able to take him from her. It seems like it would be a bit of a challenge. It guess a lot of it would be his woman's ability to not sweat the small stuff, but sometimes I'm sure she will have to deal with extreme things as well. Still in all, she would have to try and give MJ the benefit of the doubt.

Actually, if we are paying close attention to what is being said in "Hold My Hand," he is already saying nothing will come between them.

Hold my hand
Baby, I promise that I'll do all I can
Things will get better if you just
Hold my hand
Nothing can come between us
If you'll just hold, hold my, hold my hand

"Hold My Hand" is a song of reassurance. It has a promise in it.

I think there will probably be times where she'd be better off staying at home. It seems like some things will be good for her to attend, and some won't. But, as Momma Shannon mentioned, he'll go home to the woman that he loves.

MJ's woman will have to learn to trust MJ on this part of the relationship. Being trusted seems to be something that he's been wanting someone to do for a very long time. Notice that he gets very upset when he is not trusted.

And, MJ will have to make sure no one causes him to slip up. There will be times when he will come across women that do not want to take no for an answer and will push up on him. But at the same time, if many around him know that he is spoken for, those around him will know exactly why he's turning women down, even if they are drop dead gorgeous and have all the right things in all the right places.

He loves women a lot and because of that, he may not always be able to stop himself from wanting to look. But, if he's keeping in mind how long it took him to find a particular type of woman to have in his immediate life, when it comes to giving in to those trying to persuade him to spend the night with them, he'll say no can do. I can just hear MJ saying, "You look good, darling, I won't deny that. But, I dearly love the woman that I have and she was very hard to find."

Want to know what I think? Yeah, the woman needs to be strong to be with MJ.. but then again, after all MJ has gone through in his life, he probably needs to know that whoever he chooses to be with better be with him for him. Yeah, he probably has gorgeous women at his feet all the time...but like in that movie "Coming to America", Prince Akeem says "I want a woman that will arouse my intellect as well as my loins.".

And isn't that true for MJ? Doesn't he want a woman to arouse his intellect as well as his loins? Yeah, he could go off with some gorgeous stacked woman, but when all is said and done, will she stimulate him intellectually? Will she and he have a deep emotional, spiritual and intellectual bond that could transcend any other gorgeous woman that comes along? And hasn't he been through enough in his life to realize this?

Here's what I'm talking about...boy, this is classic...lol






And This:
 
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Want to know what I think? Yeah, the woman needs to be strong to be with MJ.. but then again, after all MJ has gone through in his life, he probably needs to know that whoever he chooses to be with better be with him for him. Yeah, he probably has gorgeous women at his feet all the time...but like in that movie "Coming to America", Prince Akeem says "I want a woman that will arouse my intellect as well as my loins.".

And isn't that true for MJ? Doesn't he want a woman to arouse his intellect as well as his loins? Yeah, he could go off with some gorgeous stacked woman, but when all is said and done, will she stimulate him intellectually? Will she and he have a deep emotional, spiritual and intellectual bond that could transcend any other gorgeous woman that comes along? And hasn't he been through enough in his life to realize this?

Here's what I'm talking about...boy, this is classic...lol
Oh, I hear ya on that! It definitely would have taken more than looks to get him through that trial.

:yes:
 
^^That was a great post up there, AllForMJ! You said and covered it all! :flowers: (good interpretation of Dangerous, also!)

Thanks, queen g. You know what's kinda funny? Until MimiK asked if we would look at the love songs in sequential order from "Off The Wall" on up the the "Thriller 25," I never really noticed just how much MJ mentioned things about his women. But, after looking at his love songs a little closer album by album, it simply looks like he started off with one woman that he loved very much and they stopped seeing each other for some reason (Off The Wall). He moved on and was looking for someone new. He started meeting other women. It should be expected that he would get with more than one during his search. It goes like that (Thriller). Along the way, he started thinking about marriage (Bad). He gets to one woman that he thinks he will settle down with and just when he's thinking he's found the right one and they could be tying the knot, she cut out on him with no explanation (Dangerous). Since he still wanted to get married, and also start a family, he eventually does. He gets married twice and one wife made him a father. But, since the marriages didn't work out either, he goes into a period where he's just feeling like crap about everything that was taking place in his life. (HIStory, Blood On The Dance Floor). Eventually, he starts coming out of the crappy feeling that he was going through and he's back to meeting new women, but it's not an easy start (Invincible). He later runs across a woman that lifts up his spirit and he starts feeling better about things. He opens his heart (Number Ones). He ends up going through something that he never knew was coming, but he's feeling loved and is therefore strong enough and ready for the fight (The Ultimate Collection). Now, the fight is behind him and he's telling the one that he's fallen in love with that he's happy she's around and he wants her to stay (Thriller 25).

He definitely was never thinking about the type of insanity that Sneddon and those others were trying to put him away for. There was no need for him to think the way that they were thinking, because there has never been a time when MJ didn't have an abundance of women to choose from. And, he would never want to anger God anyway. He loves God too much to anger Him with something like that. Furthermore, God would not have stepped in and brought the madness to a halt when MJ called on Him, if He (God) did not already know that MJ was innocent. God cannot be fooled. He is Alpha and Omega. The ones that He reprimanded are the ones that He felt were wrong in the matter. God reprimanded a long list of people.
 
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AllforMJ, you've certainly followed the time-line very well and I suppose this "play by play" could be categorized as "Love Story" (or story of MJ's love life).

This may sound strange, off-track or far-fetched, but I feel that whomever 'Jack' is ever with, (past, present or future), will hopefully actually be able to empathically 'intuit' him, to the point of being able to literally "feel the earth move under her feet whenever he's around", without hearing anyone say his name or seeing him with her eyes, but will 'recognize' the feeling, to the point of knowing its him without question. I mean that's just how sensitive I'd hope someone with him is, or would be.

I feel its important, because a lot of men would like their women to be able to "read them" and "feel them" when they are often impossibly "unfeeling" themselves and don't pay very detailed attention themselves, and dont give a woman very much to 'intuit', and sometimes will "skip out" on her if she doesn't, and how unfair is that, but with MJ, being so spiritually sensitive, it seems that that someone will have to be aware of very much that he doesn't say, and be sensitive when he does speak because of how focused and deliberate his is. That's my MJ wish for the day :wub: Whomever she is, whenever she is, is extremely sensitive.

My MJ wish for tomorrow is that he be "equally yoked" with whomever, whenever, so that they have the same values, thereby, good communication and an uncomplicated, harmonious and faith-filled (faithful) life together :yes: .

Tomorrow I won't be on so I'm posting tomorrow's wish now :giggle:
 
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I still dont like that "she would have to be like this and that"..

We can't speculate about how SHE is. We can speculate about what we think Michael WANTS.
 
AllforMJ, you've certainly followed the time-line very well and I suppose this "play by play" could be categorized as "Love Story" (or story of MJ's love life).

This may sound strange, off-track or far-fetched, but I feel that whomever 'Jack' is ever with, (past, present or future), will hopefully actually be able to empathically 'intuit' him, to the point of being able to literally "feel the earth move under her feet whenever he's around", without hearing anyone say his name or seeing him with her eyes, but will 'recognize' the feeling, to the point of knowing its him without question. I mean that's just how sensitive I'd hope someone with him is, or would be.

I feel its important, because a lot of men would like their women to be able to "read them" and "feel them" when they are often impossibly "unfeeling" themselves and don't pay very detailed attention themselves, and dont give a woman very much to 'intuit', and sometimes will "skip out" on her if she doesn't, and how unfair is that, but with MJ, being so spiritually sensitive, it seems that that someone will have to be aware of very much that he doesn't say, and be sensitive when he does speak because of how focused and deliberate his is. That's my MJ wish for the day :wub: Whomever she is, whenever she is, is extremely sensitive.

My MJ wish for tomorrow is that he be "equally yoked" with whomever, whenever, so that they have the same values, thereby, good communication and an uncomplicated, harmonious and faith-filled (faithful) life together :yes: .

Tomorrow I won't be on so I'm posting tomorrow's wish now :giggle:

I wish for that too SOS. Someone that can feel when he's sad, and someone that can feel when he is happy. I think we all feel for him in this thread....we can feel now that he is truly happy....

As far as others were talking about when Invincible came out, according to Wikipedia...

Released October 30, 2001 Recorded October 1997 – June 2001 Genre R&B, Pop/Rock, Dance Pop, Adult Contemporary, Urban[1] Length 77:08 Label Epic Records
EK-69400 Producer Michael Jackson, Rodney Jerkins, Teddy Riley, Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds, R. Kelly, Dr. Freeze
The "Number Ones" came out according to Wiki:

Released November 18, 2003 Recorded 1979 – 2003 Genre Pop, R&B, rock, new jack swing, funk, soul Length 79:01 Label Epic Producer Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones, Teddy Riley, R. Kelly, Dr. Freeze and others
So this really doesn't quite "nail down" a timeline - since the Number Ones spanned 1979 to 2003!! However, only one song came out in that album..."One More Chance"...

"One More Chance"

Uh huh alright
This time gonna do my best to make it right
Can't go on without you by my side
Hold on
Shelter come and rescue me out of this storm
And out of this cold I need someone
Oh why oh why why why
If you see her
tell her this from me
All I need is

One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(One more)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(See)
(One more)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(One more)
One more chance at love
(Alright)
One more chance at love

Searching for that one who is going to make me whole
Help me make these mysteries unfold
Hold on
Lightning about to strike in rain only on me
Hurt so bad sometimes it's hard to breathe
Oh why why
If you see her
Tell her this from me
All I need is

One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(One more)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(One more chance for love)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(One more)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love

And I would walk around this world to find her
And I don't care what it takes no
Why
I'd sail the seven seas to be near her
And if you happen to see her
See tell her this from me

One more chance at love
(Yeah, Yeah)
One more chance at love
(Tell her this from me)
One more chance at love
(Yeah, Yeah)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(Lovin' you)
One more chance at love
(I can't find)
One more chance at love
(Lovin' you)
One more chance at love
(Yeah one more)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(For love)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(Yeah I can't stop)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(Lovin' you)
One more chance at love
One more chance at love
(I can't stop)
One more chance at love
(Lovin' you)
(Aaow)
One more chance at love
(I can't stop)
One more chance at love

So, he did find her, and he did see her at one point....but then he lost her. It looks to me like he would "sail the seven seas" looking for her....
 
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