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Did MJ Find Love In The Dark (continued)

I think it must be very very difficult for MJ to meet women. Cause in the back of his mind he probably thinks "Does she love me for me? And how can I be sure of this?"
 
yes, this thread is getting more and more fabulous, so let's imagine these 2 people follow the God's plan not knowing about that...
Somebody mentioned God bringing people together, maybe, if they believe in God and didn't loose faith, but if they did and are not looking for anything or anyone anymore, then God should interfere...
Anyway some idea came into my mind. MJ will sure visit certain places in London where he will want to be alone, away from the crowds following his every step. Where would he go? Maybe he will follow Peter Pan flight plan "passing by Big Ben and the Tower Bridge and even making a short stop in Kensington Gardens", who knows...
 
LindaC781 said:
I think it must be very very difficult for MJ to meet women. Cause in the back of his mind he probably thinks "Does she love me for me? And how can I be sure of this?"
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Yes it's sad for him if thats the case :(
I also think that theres a major problem for him that comes in BEFORE this.
I think that when he meets ANY person, he automaticly feels that they like him for being MJ. They know MJ. They know he's music.

Michael never gets a chance to prove to himself that he can get a real friend or "score" a girl for real. Because he will always feel like it was the famous Michael that scored the girl or the friend.

Think about how good it feels when you go to a party and meet new people that you talk with, and they actually seems to like YOU. They think you seem interesting from what you talk about. They think well of your behavior.

Michael maybe have this feeling that he could do anything and those girls at the party would STILL like him, The guys would STILL think of him as a cool person.

Do you see what I meen?
I think THAT is sad for Michael.
Well maybe if he went to africa's jungle and met some of those who lives there they might not know about him. Then he could get that experience of being taken for who he is. Being disliked for behaving badly or being liked for behaving good! To be judged as just another person out of the billions and billions of people on earth.

But what do I know. Maybe he doesent think so much about this as I do :p
 
I think it makes total sense what you've said Safira, which is why I would imagine the internet being attractive to a person, not just him, but anyone who wonders if they are as likable in an anonymous setting rather than where a person's looks or social standing or what not could affect someones judgment on them. I couldn't say whether he comes online or not to talk with people but it would be a decent place to talk with others without that affecting someones judgment. Though there is certainly it's own bad that it can come with (online).

Anyways, I suppose that is why he may wear disguises as well. Though often times they are a bit over the top and still he would then be judged somehow due to that. No it can't be easy for him but if we are on the right path with this thread, then somehow he has gotten past that. :) which makes me happy!
 
Ape said:
I think it makes total sense what you've said Safira, which is why I would imagine the internet being attractive to a person, not just him, but anyone who wonders if they are as likable in an anonymous setting rather than where a person's looks or social standing or what not could affect someones judgment on them. I couldn't say whether he comes online or not to talk with people but it would be a decent place to talk with others without that affecting someones judgment. Though there is certainly it's own bad that it can come with (online).

Anyways, I suppose that is why he may wear disguises as well. Though often times they are a bit over the top and still he would then be judged somehow due to that. No it can't be easy for him but if we are on the right path with this thread, then somehow he has gotten past that. :) which makes me happy!
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I think the disguises is more sort of an expression of being tired of being a known face and really wanting to just "f" it all and make some REAL attention.

But it would be very logical if a person that have lived as a celebrity he's whole life, would someday learn to live with the back side of the "medal" too. To accept it as it is and maybe even try to see some positive things in it too!
 
It is tiring being so well known.

A good disguise is well worth the day and effort to pull it off. I love how he isn't afraid to wear them either. We can all learn from that.


ABP
 
Ape said:
I think it makes total sense what you've said Safira, which is why I would imagine the internet being attractive to a person, not just him, but anyone who wonders if they are as likable in an anonymous setting rather than where a person's looks or social standing or what not could affect someones judgment on them. I couldn't say whether he comes online or not to talk with people but it would be a decent place to talk with others without that affecting someones judgment. Though there is certainly it's own bad that it can come with (online).

Anyways, I suppose that is why he may wear disguises as well. Though often times they are a bit over the top and still he would then be judged somehow due to that. No it can't be easy for him but if we are on the right path with this thread, then somehow he has gotten past that. :) which makes me happy!
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Ape, I don't know how to highlight or Bold the sentence of your post, I am referring too but in the last paragraph when you said: in part : "if we are on the right path with this thread, then somehow he has gotten past that"- From his clues, we are now seeing the reality of just that.
 
I think that music today. So I decided to put it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6ToqVt68sE


Eu sei que vou te amar

Compositores: Antonio Carlos Jobim / Vinícius de Moraes

Eu sei que vou te amar
Por toda a minha vida eu vou te amar
Em cada despedida eu vou te amar
Desesperadamente, eu sei que vou te amar
E cada verso meu será
Prá te dizer que eu sei que vou te amar
Por toda minha vida
Eu sei que vou chorar
A cada ausência tua eu vou chorar
Mas cada volta tua há de apagar
O que esta ausência tua me causou
Eu sei que vou sofrer a eterna desventura de viver
A espera de viver ao lado teu
Por toda a minha vida


Translation:

I know I love you

Composers: Antonio Carlos Jobim / Vinicius de Moraes

I know that I love you
Throughout my life I love you
At each farewell I love you
Desperately, I know that I love you
And each man will be back
To tell you I know that I love you
Throughout my life
I know I will cry
Every your absence I will cry
Everyone around you is to delete
What is your absence caused me
I know that I will suffer the eternal loss of life
Waiting to live next to your
For all my life​
 
Magicgirl said:
yes, this thread is getting more and more fabulous, so let's imagine these 2 people follow the God's plan not knowing about that...
Somebody mentioned God bringing people together, maybe, if they believe in God and didn't loose faith, but if they did and are not looking for anything or anyone anymore, then God should interfere...
Anyway some idea came into my mind. MJ will sure visit certain places in London where he will want to be alone, away from the crowds following his every step. Where would he go? Maybe he will follow Peter Pan flight plan "passing by Big Ben and the Tower Bridge and even making a short stop in Kensington Gardens", who knows...
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Awwwwww glad you like reading along and following us in here. I agree, this thread is fabulous, with a capital "F".

Michael's clues tell us, they are following God's plan, even when Distance stood between them and as he made attempts to nurture his broken heart( other women), and was filled with pain, disappointment, torment and bitterness; he still somehow ( with the help of a higher being) found the time through the years to follow the Master Plan. He couldn't help himself. It had already been written.
 
ashtanga said:
I think that music today. So I decided to put it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6ToqVt68sE


Eu sei que vou te amar

Compositores: Antonio Carlos Jobim / Vinícius de Moraes

Eu sei que vou te amar
Por toda a minha vida eu vou te amar
Em cada despedida eu vou te amar
Desesperadamente, eu sei que vou te amar
E cada verso meu será
Prá te dizer que eu sei que vou te amar
Por toda minha vida
Eu sei que vou chorar
A cada ausência tua eu vou chorar
Mas cada volta tua há de apagar
O que esta ausência tua me causou
Eu sei que vou sofrer a eterna desventura de viver
A espera de viver ao lado teu
Por toda a minha vida


Translation:

I know I love you

Composers: Antonio Carlos Jobim / Vinicius de Moraes

I know that I love you
Throughout my life I love you
At each farewell I love you
Desperately, I know that I love you
And each man will be back
To tell you I know that I love you
Throughout my life
I know I will cry
Every your absence I will cry
Everyone around you is to delete
What is your absence caused me
I know that I will suffer the eternal loss of life
Waiting to live next to your
For all my life​
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This is sooooooo beautiful! Oh my God. It's so beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
 
LindaC781 said:
This is getting a little too sappy...but I couldn't help putting this one in here too!! LOL!






In Napoli where love is king
When boy meets girl here's what they say

When the moon hits you eye like a big pizza pie
That's amore
When the world seems to shine like you've had too much wine
That's amore
Bells will ring ting-a-ling-a-ling, ting-a-ling-a-ling
And you'll sing "Vita bella"
Hearts will play tippy-tippy-tay, tippy-tippy-tay
Like a gay tarantella

When the stars make you drool just like a pasta fazool
That's amore
When you dance down the street with a cloud at your feet
You're in love
When you walk down in a dream but you know you're not
Dreaming signore
Scuzza me, but you see, back in old Napoli
That's amore

(When the moon hits you eye like a big pizza pie
That's amore
When the world seems to shine like you've had too much wine
That's amore
Bells will ring ting-a-ling-a-ling, ting-a-ling-a-ling
And you'll sing "Vita bella"
Hearts will play tippy-tippy-tay, tippy-tippy-tay
Like a gay tarantella

When the stars make you drool just like a pasta fazool)
That's amore
(When you dance down the street with a cloud at your feet
You're in love
When you walk down in a dream but you know you're not
Dreaming signore
Scuzza me, but you see, back in old Napoli)
That's amore
Lucky fella

When the stars make you drool just like a pasta fazool)
That's amore
(When you dance down the street with a cloud at your feet
You're in love
When you walk down in a dream but you know you're not
Dreaming signore
Scuzza me, but you see, back in old Napoli)
That's amore, (amore)
That's amore
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NOOOOO not that song!!!!!...my stepdad sings that song all the time!!!!!!..:lol: :lol:........hes a BIG BIG dean martin fan
 
Moddie777 said:
Your analogy isn't crude at all. It makes perfect sense and we have seen alot of this ourselves through the years especially the most recent ones: Women have been coming at Michael in all different directions and for different reason. They place themselves in his path to get choosen by him , albeit professionally or otherwise or maybe both. And like most men, we've seen Michael take a few up on their obvious offer of themselves to him. These relationships, tryst, involvements or whatever they can be called, didn't have the ending he may have wanted at some point( if in fact he did at all).
The woman he keeps singing about and giving clues of, didn't "come at him". She didn't "place herself in his path to be choosen"- His clues tell us it was quit the opposite.
Other women have been easier for him to have, they after all were right there. He tells us over and over, The one who holds his heart was/is neither of those things.
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Your post makes a lot of sense too. I was told by another member that the Nicole thing was set up by pubs or something which I guess could explain why she made that statement like "turning him down" is some sort of "big deal". Same o' same o' Hollywood tricks, maybe? Anyway,
your point is certainly well made and who knows, maybe "this girl" is the type who would shy away (run away?) from anything that could make him think she would want him for anything but true love & friendship. Not that its cool to "up and run away" because its NOT... but I mean ... it certainly would remove all doubt about running AFTER him in line with what you're saying here and could explain a few thngs.

I'm gonna post this song again. I just LOVE it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCCvx45OnPM

*listens with eyes closed*
 
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Another exciting excerpt from "HERstory" (Chapter III)...









Lyrics:


And now I'm all alone again
Nowhere to turn, nowhere to go to
Without a home, without a friend
Without a face to say hello to
And now the night is near
Now I can make believe he's here

Sometimes I walk alone at night
When everybody else is sleeping
I think of him and then I'm happy
With the company I'm keeping
The city goes to bed
And I can live inside my head

On my own
Pretending he's beside me
All alone, I walk with him till morning
Without him
I feel his arms around me
And when I lose my way I close my eyes
And he has found me

In the rain the pavement shines like silver
All the lights are misty in the river
In the darkness, the trees are full of starlight
And all I see is him and me forever and forever

And I know it's only in my mind
That I'm talking to myself and not to him
And although I know that he is blind
Still I say, there's a way for us

I love him
But when the night is over
He is gone, the river's just a river
Without him the world around me changes
The trees are bare and everywhere
The streets are full of strangers

I love him
But everyday I'm learning
All my life I've only been pretending!
Without me his world will go on turning
A world that's full of happiness
That I have never known!

I love him
I love him
I love him

But only on my own
 
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MysteriousPhoenix said:
Another exciting excerpt from "HERstory"...
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:) :) :)

omg mp you are amazing! you have any idea how much i love les miserables and this song in particular? this is a fascinating story. anyone else here besides me ever read the entire book? anyway, fabulous choice. good going, mp!

*kisses mp on the cheek and doesn't care*
 
queen g said:
AllForMJ, I'm really enjoying your take on the songs from the earlier albums through Bad. :)

But...where's our gal?

So you're not thinkin' MJ has met this thread's lady friend yet based on what these songs so far are saying? You think he met her after age 30?
This is like throwin' me off. I thought it was ALL DECIDED *laughs* in here, that he and the lady friend went waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back...like more than 25 years. Don't be hurtin' my head now. :no: I never thought you'd be mean to me like that.

:lol:
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I think he is still waiting to meet her.. he should perhaps look out in London, whenever he sees a beautiful girl that looks like a Beyoncé-type.. I think that must be his type.. yup..yes si..

:scratch:
 
mysterygirl7 said:
I think he is still waiting to meet her.. he should perhaps look out in London, whenever he sees a beautiful girl that looks like a Beyoncé-type.. I think that must be his type.. yup..yes si..

:scratch:
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You're right. Beyoncé is beautiful... hmm a girl like her... I think that sometimes the beauty is not as important and fundamental. Imagine if he had beside him the most beautiful girl on the planet and still this girl could not make him completely happy? The advances that perfect outside? And inside the heart? What is within us is the most important and far more than the beauty. I think so... :)​
 
MimiK said:
:) :) :)

omg mp you are amazing! you have any idea how much i love les miserables and this song in particular? this is a fascinating story. anyone else here besides me ever read the entire book? anyway, fabulous choice. good going, mp!

*kisses mp on the cheek and doesn't care*
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Awwww, thanks so much, MimiK! I remember when my mother took me to see this play when I was quite young; it really made an impression on me. She took me to see others, but there was just something, something about this one; and when this particular song started playing I remember thinking about Michael all the way through it. It was so moving.

*Kisses MimiK back and doesn't care either*
 
what is outside is only vanity

it is enough to create insanity

whats inside truly counts

thats were love amounts

true beauty comes from the inside to the out

a radiance and a glow that no one can doubt

she's intimidating and attracting at the same time

alluring and mysterious, she's keeping me from my rhyme. :)


the love is old, it is not waiting,

for all time, it has been stated

in the future, and in the past

in my memory time travels fast.
 
MysteriousPhoenix said:
Awwww, thanks so much, MimiK! I remember when my mother took me to see this play when I was quite young; it really made an impression on me. She took me to see others, but there was just something, something about this one; and when this particular song started playing I remember thinking about Michael all the way through it. It was so moving.

*Kisses MimiK back and doesn't care either*
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***blushes*** covers face so nobody sees.

*comes back out with a :) *
 
MysteriousPhoenix said:
Awwww, thanks so much, MimiK! I remember when my mother took me to see this play when I was quite young; it really made an impression on me. She took me to see others, but there was just something, something about this one; and when this particular song started playing I remember thinking about Michael all the way through it. It was so moving.

*Kisses MimiK back and doesn't care either*
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I don't know this play but I've heard about it.. But this song is very beautifull. Her voice reminds me of a disney princess hehe :)

Speaking of disney princesses. Am I the only one who see's a second storyline in this particular disney song? *points down to the link below* If we turn it around and think of the deeper meening. Could this song project how it sometimes can feel to be as famous as Michael Jackson. On one of those silent and thoughtfull days..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55V62xbV9cE&feature=related
Sorry I don't know how to embed with BB Code so I'll just post the link for now :/

edit: I'll just post the lyrics..

PART OF YOUR WORLD (The Little Mermaid)
(Maybe he's right. Maybe there is something the matter with me.
I just don't see how a world that makes such wonderful things could be bad.)

Look at this stuff
Isn't it neat?
Wouldn't you think my collection's complete?
Wouldn't you think I'm the girl
The girl who has everything?
Look at this trove
Treasures untold
How many wonders can one cavern hold?
Looking around here you think
Sure, she's got everything
I've got gadgets and gizmos a-plenty
I've got whozits and whatzits galore
You want thingamabobs?
I've got twenty!
But who cares?
No big deal
I want more

I wanna be where the people are
I wanna see, wanna see them dancin'
Walking around on those - what do you call 'em?
Oh - feet!

Flippin' your fins, you don't get too far
Legs are required for jumping, dancing
Strolling along down a - what's that word again?
Street

Up where they walk, up where they run
Up where they stay all day in the sun
Wanderin' free - wish I could be
Part of that world

What would I give if I could live out of these waters?
What would I pay to spend a day warm on the sand?
Bet'cha on land they understand
That they don't reprimand their daughters
Proper women sick of swimmin'
Ready to stand

And ready to know what the people know
Ask 'em my questions and get some answers
What's a fire and why does it - what's the word?
Burn?

When's it my turn?
Wouldn't I love, love to explore that world up above?
Out of the sea
Wish I could be
Part of that world
....

I see many similarities in this song and "Human Nature". The general plot.
 
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How about this one?

"Goodnight, My Someone" from the Music Man:


Marian:
Goodnight, my someone,
Goodnight, my love,
Sleep tight, my someone,
Sleep tight, my love,
Our star is shining it's brightest light
For goodnight, my love, for goodnight.
Sweet dreams be yours, dear,
If dreams there be
Sweet dreams to carry you close to me.
I wish they may and I wish they might
Now goodnight, my someone, goodnight
True love can be whispered from heart to heart
When lovers are parted they say
But I must depend on a wish and a star
As long as my heart doesn't know who you are.
Sweet dreams be yours dear,
If dreams there be
Sweet dreams to carry you close to me.
I wish they may and I wish they might
Now goodnight, my someone, goodnight.
Goodnight,
Goodnight.
 
well what do you think of the song I posted and the thoughts behind it? :)
I want to join i want to join i want to join! :toy:
 
LindaC781 said:
How about this one?

"Goodnight, My Someone" from the Music Man:





Marian:
Goodnight, my someone,
Goodnight, my love,
Sleep tight, my someone,
Sleep tight, my love,
Our star is shining it's brightest light
For goodnight, my love, for goodnight.
Sweet dreams be yours, dear,
If dreams there be
Sweet dreams to carry you close to me.
I wish they may and I wish they might
Now goodnight, my someone, goodnight
True love can be whispered from heart to heart
When lovers are parted they say
But I must depend on a wish and a star
As long as my heart doesn't know who you are.
Sweet dreams be yours dear,
If dreams there be
Sweet dreams to carry you close to me.
I wish they may and I wish they might
Now goodnight, my someone, goodnight.
Goodnight,
Goodnight.
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It's great, and already posted :lol: :p I beat ya to it ;)

I love the Amore song though and who can't fall for the two guys singing it..haha

Safira, that was really interesting. Do you see it as Michael having everything and all the gadgets and wanting to be part of the world that isn't fame? Can you explain how you see the similarities? Is it more the feel of the songs? Each are someone looking out to another world type thing?
 
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