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Draliongirl said:
Poor Michael and Janet too
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as far as I know Janet was never abused physically...was she? that's what I thought
by the way what he says in these tapes we already knew these things or most of them, for the general public it migh be new but not for fans
 
Rabbi Shmuley says .. Michael Jackson Despised Hitler and Was Never an Anti-Semite

Im glad Shmuley cleared up the rumor here and stated MJ was NOT a Hitler sympathiser
but his views on Michael and what Michael said in these tapes shows he certainly did NOT GET IT

I find peoples comments left on this article very interesting
in that no one agreed with Smuleys views of what Michael was trying to get across.
Michael believed he was given a gift to help heal people and the world through his art
music and love that he gave _

Shmuley's view is very cynical and regardless people
are lifting Michael up here and understand his heart.
They do NOT agree with Smuleys view about Michael

Michael was not this pitiful tragic person Shmuley tries to portray him as
this was only one small side of Michael. he was a very complex Human being
Not all was as dark as Shmuley tries to make people believe here. They are not
buying it

read the comments on this article lifting Michael up :)

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Author of Shalom in the Home
Posted: September 25, 2009 02:09 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuley-boteach/michael-jackson-despised_b_300158.html

Michael Jackson Despised Hitler and Was Never an Anti-Semite

It was bizarre seeing this morning how hundreds of news sources on the Internet alleged that Michael Jackson admired Hitler and considered him a genius. Nothing could be further from the truth and these scandalous allegations are all based on a simple misrepresentation of a quote from Michael in my book The Michael Jackson Tapes: A Tragic Icon Reveals His Soul in Intimate Conversation. The book debuted only this morning on NBC's "Today" Show (scroll down to watch). But before I even had the chance to discuss it in the first TV interview, this serious mis-characterization of Michael was spreading everywhere unchecked.

Here is what Michael actually said, as found in our conversations, which were recorded with Michael's enthusiastic consent for the express purpose of publication in this book:

Hitler was a genius orator. He was [able] to make that many people turn and change and hate. He had to be a showman and he was. Before he would speak, he would pause, drink a bit of water, and then he would clear his throat, and look around. It was what an entertainer would do trying to work out how to play his audience. He would go into this fury of the first words he would say and he would hit them hard. But where did he come from? I know he failed school and he wanted to be an architect. He failed a lot of things. But I think it all happened in prison, the whole Mein Kampf thing, didn't it?

Not only is there nothing controversial in what Michael is saying, but the point has been made by countless authoritative historians. Hitler was a master showman. He was indeed a brilliant orator who used his considerable charisma to stoke an inferno of hate. It is well known that he practiced his speeches in front of mirrors and had photographers take snapshots of him in different poses that he later studied to determine which were the most effective. He was an evil genius who employed every facet of a darkened soul to bring out the beast in man. And Michael is insightful in pointing out how Hitler studied his audience in order to gain mastery over them the way an entertainer would. It is very surprising that such a straightforward comment has become so controversial.

Look, Michael had enough real flaws without people unfairly inventing new ones. I have already in the past written several columns refuting the idea that Michael was ever an anti-Semite. Indeed, I always considered him a loving friend of the Jewish people. In 2001 he came with me to meet Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel and was honored to have all the photos released to the press, even though he was warned that this could provoke a serious boycott of his music in Arab countries that despised Sharon.

Then, of course, there was the fact that Michael, for two years, trumpeted me, a Rabbi, as a mentor, hardly the stuff of anti-Semitism. And Michael loved coming to our home for the Friday night Sabbath dinner and told me that the night I took him to Synagogue to pray was the happiest of his life. I could go on, but the allegation that Michael could admire Hitler is so preposterous that it does not require any lengthy refutation.

As far as Michael's contention in the book that he could have touched something inside of Hitler in a one-hour meeting, obviously this is ridiculous and I criticize the comment heavily in the book. Hitler was intrinsically evil and had utterly erased any trace of the image of G-d from his countenance. Touch Hitler and all you would have found is rancid bile and poison. But far from this being a demonstration that Michael excused Hitler's evil, it is rather a sad commentary on Michael's hopeless naïveté and growing Messiah complex.

Michael hated Hitler and knew he was evil. But it was his mistaken belief that there was still something human in him that Michael could uniquely touch. In my book I discuss how one of the more corrosive elements of superstardom is the deification by fans that can lead the object of undo veneration to believe that he is possessed of special abilities. Michael deserves to be strongly criticized for believing too much in his own power to reform those who migrated irreversibly toward the dark side. But the suggestion that he had any sympathy for Hitler is grossly unfair and simply untrue.

I have no reason to undeservingly defend Michael Jackson and indeed those who read my book will discover that I have bookended our more than two hundred pages of transcribed conversations with a moral overview of Michael's life and how his tragic existence and untimely demise can only be redeemed by serving as a morality tale for the rest of America. Michael was an American icon and embodied in his broken person so much of the excess that is coming to define a nation whose citizens increasingly seek fame at any cost. But that still does not give us the right to distort him in death on issues where he had no culpability.

Michael wanted these conversations published and made available to the public. He felt that if people understood the extreme suffering he had endured and if he exposed his heart to what he knew to be a suspicious public, people might judge him more charitably. In the final analysis, this book is Michael in his own words and each person will make his own judgment. I am not asking you to make Michael into any kind of saint in death, any more of a man than he was in life. But let's not unfairly make him into the devil either.
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dearmichael1 said:
Even though Mike ASKED for propofol , as a doctor , don't u know better. Shouldn't u know better. First of all HE was not even qualified to administer the damn drug. He was a Cardiologist(sp). Secondly that drug is not common to the public , only doctors. you cannot buy it. And how would Mike have known about it in the first place. he MUSt have been introduced to it by a doctor. He must have been told it was safe to use. Mike didn't die of a drug OVERDOSE. Murray killed him. even though it was not intentional he killed him. He should have said No its dangerous, I'm not qualified to administer that drug and it Should only be given in a hospital setting.

And dont forget he called 911 a whole frikken 1/2hr after. His lawyer said on the Today show , that is because Mike didn't have a phine in his room and murray didn't use his own cell cuz he didn't know the address. The same one he's been coming to for weeks. And now we are finding out his gf lives neafrby. When then paramedics came , he didn't let them live right away , they took him to the hospital after and hr.

And lets not forget CPR on THE BED. MJ didn't ask for all of that. A PROFESSIONSL DOCTOR killed him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Believe me, I agree with all that. But that is not intentional murder. Some here have said he was murdered. That's a little strong. It was reckless disreguard for another human life. It was homicide - death at the hands of another. But it has not been determined that it was an intentional murder. I agree that Michael's death was aided by these reckless, corrupt, greedy, incompetent doctors and I cannot wait for the day an arrest or arrests are made. Believe me, I will be cheering right along with everyone here.
 
There is nothing wrong with this tape and what MJ said about himself and other ppl around him. It was not a big surprise for me to hear something like that about Lisa and Madonna. Something wrong with this Rabbi, this is for sure. I do not like his comments. They put it like MJ committed suicide. At least rabbi makes it look like this. This is more important and this is whole point of releasing these tapes, to put own comments around it. So, I didn’t watch it but I want to listen to these tapes. I think is a good idea to ignore what rabbi says. Can we find this show on YouTube or not yet?

Also, if anybody could tell me pls what was in this show about MJ song Stranger in Moscow? I am very interested what MJ said about this song. Please, anybody can clear it up for me?

Thank you.
 
qbee said:
Rabbi Shmuley says .. Michael Jackson Despised Hitler and Was Never an Anti-Semite

Im glad Shmuley cleared up the rumor here and stated MJ was NOT a Hitler sympathiser
but his views on Michael and what Michael said in these tapes shows he certainly did NOT GET IT

I find peoples comments left on this article very interesting
in that no one agreed with Smuleys views of what Michael was trying to get across.
Michael believed he was given a gift to help heal people and the world through his art
music and love that he gave _

Shmuley's view is very cynical and regardless people
are lifting Michael up here and understand his heart.
They do NOT agree with Smuleys view about Michael


Michael was not this pitiful tragic person Shmuley tries to portray him as
this was only one small side of Michael. he was a very complex Human being
Not all was as dark as Shmuley tries to make people believe here. They are not
buying it

read the comments on this article lifting Michael up :)
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You are right. I have the book it was taken out of context also the Madonna comment.
 
Michael says from the book. I think she did a lot of crazy things for shock value. But I'm sure having a baby has changed her. I'm sure she is a better person. He said she used to call him and say that she is putting her fingers between her legs. He would say please Madonna. What I want you to do when I hang up the phone is to rub yourself and think of me. In reading the book, Michael did not like this type of female, because he experienced this type of women at age of five and groopies manipulating men. When you first read, you may get offended, but understanding the women that approach him he had every right to feel this way. Also, Madonna wrote some bad things about HIM in the past and that hurt his feelings, but remember that was over 15 to 20 years ago when they dated.
 
qbee said:
Rabbi Shmuley says .. Michael Jackson Despised Hitler and Was Never an Anti-Semite

Im glad Shmuley cleared up the rumor here and stated MJ was NOT a Hitler sympathiser
but his views on Michael and what Michael said in these tapes shows he certainly did NOT GET IT

I find peoples comments left on this article very interesting
in that no one agreed with Smuleys views of what Michael was trying to get across.
Michael believed he was given a gift to help heal people and the world through his art
music and love that he gave _

Shmuley's view is very cynical and regardless people
are lifting Michael up here and understand his heart.
They do NOT agree with Smuleys view about Michael

Michael was not this pitiful tragic person Shmuley tries to portray him as
this was only one small side of Michael. he was a very complex Human being
Not all was as dark as Shmuley tries to make people believe here. They are not
buying it

read the comments on this article lifting Michael up :)
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well, the comments are moderated. I wrote 2 and none is listed. What a jacka$$!

If he couldn't stand the heat, he should have stayed out of the kitchen.
 
Asedora said:
Something wrong with this Rabbi, this is for sure. I do not like his comments. They put it like MJ committed suicide. At least rabbi makes it look like this. This is more important and this is whole point of releasing these tapes, to put own comments around it.
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Exactly my point when I said this earlier:

What bothers me the most about Rabbi Shmuck-ley is that he insists that Michael brought his own death upon himself, when the LA coroner says that MJs death was a homicide.

Who is the Rabbi covering for?
 
shimar said:
Exactly my point when I said this earlier:

What bothers me the most about Rabbi Shmuck-ley is that he insists that Michael brought his own death upon himself, when the LA coroner says that MJs death was a homicide.

Who is the Rabbi covering for?
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I just can guess. Obviously , rabbi has a huge reason to cover something… .

Guys , PLEASE, anybody could tell me what exactly was MJ saying about his song Stranger in Moscow? I mean what was in this show? I am very curious, I couldn’t watch it. Thank you.
 
I just realized something..the Rabbi says that after counceling Michael for two years he cut his ties......yeah he cut his ties after..he had Michael recorded......This SOB...he new that he would use these tapes against Michael someday......IMO...i dont think Michael new he was being recorded....those were his private conversations with the Rabbi.....This guy was suppose to be counseling Michael....I thought that there was a law about patient councilor confidentiality??? I believe the Jackson family could sue this clown if they wanted to.....and oh...I hope they do.
 
I agree that the timing of this is um...suspect at least.......and opportunistic for sure, and...........any commentary of the Rabbi's (OR anyone else) added to MJ's own words is, of course, always to be disregarded, or de-tangled, or cut out all together...

However, I disagree with those who question if MJ even knew a tape was rolling. I don't think there is any question that MJ knew he was being taped.........when he discusses Madonna, for example, he says...." I shouldn't say that on tape..." which means he KNEW he was being taped. However, of course, this does NOT MEAN he wanted the tapes made public in a raw state, without editing, without commentary of his own, etc.

It is the same situation as those tapes that came out recently from the Moonwalker ghostwriter. MJ knew he was being taped, and I believe the same here too....I think at the time he did want something to come of it, a book perhaps one day that they could COLLABORATE ON, but I am sure he never anticipated the raw audio to be released......

I did not watch the show, but have read whatever 'transcripts' and commentary has been made public...we can't stuff the tapes back under the rock from which they came, so IMO, just disregard ALL COMMENTARY and EDITORIALIZING....focus on the words....they are his, and are quite deep, poignant and complex...just as he was.
 
I just finished the book. I'm a little sad. I hate/glad I bought it. People will still take what MJ says out of context. Also the alleged rabbi comes down on Michael Jackson very hard. Yes, maybe he could have saved himself. When you know better do better. I think he began to reflect on his life in his latter years and AND WANTED TO LIVE. Even the MJ may have asked for the propofol the Doc should have said this is way way over my head and got him help. The 150,000 was not worth it, the concert was not worth. He wanted to live but I truly believe the only people who cared about him is us the fans. If we would have known to what extent his alleged addictions were, we would not have wanted to lose him to it. I'm tired of all the garbage they continue to say about him. He was human just like us. His life was played out in front of us like the Truman Show. Let's be fare to him. Who could sustain being watched and critiqued on everything you did. He dealt with his entire life from his dad to the media. WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
 
Yes, MJ knew he was being recorded with the Rabbi sessions, but to publish it for a book?

I don't think so.

nestacat said:
I agree that the timing of this is um...suspect at least.......and opportunistic for sure, and...........any commentary of the Rabbi's (OR anyone else) added to MJ's own words is, of course, always to be disregarded, or de-tangled, or cut out all together...

However, I disagree with those who question if MJ even knew a tape was rolling. I don't think there is any question that MJ knew he was being taped.........when he discusses Madonna, for example, he says...." I shouldn't say that on tape..." which means he KNEW he was being taped. However, of course, this does NOT MEAN he wanted the tapes made public in a raw state, without editing, without commentary of his own, etc.

It is the same situation as those tapes that came out recently from the Moonwalker ghostwriter. MJ knew he was being taped, and I believe the same here too....I think at the time he did want something to come of it, a book perhaps one day that they could COLLABORATE ON, but I am sure he never anticipated the raw audio to be released......

I did not watch the show, but have read whatever 'transcripts' and commentary has been made public...we can't stuff the tapes back under the rock from which they came, so IMO, just disregard ALL COMMENTARY and EDITORIALIZING....focus on the words....they are his, and are quite deep, poignant and complex...just as he was.
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2600becs said:
wow you guys don't like all this crap.. but you still watch it?!
i'm amazed......
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You are right. If we believe in Michael we should not watch or buy the book such as I did. We must continue to uplift. We know who he was and what he was about. The Rabbi has a lot of jealousy issues with Michael because he received so much attention. People laughed at Michael when he would say this, but I think it is true. They want to call him narcissistic but I call him realistic. The summation of the rabbi's book if you want to call him that it is clear. He said some nice things, but he takes it back with extremely judgemental things.
 
2600becs said:
wow you guys don't like all this crap.. but you still watch it?!
i'm amazed......
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see that what pisses me off
they say that they hate ET/the insider for there bullshit but still watch the show and post about it
the say that hate reading articles from the sun,NOTW but they still post it
these money hungry ppl are always gonna come up if they give them attention
 
nestacat said:
I agree that the timing of this is um...suspect at least.......and opportunistic for sure, and...........any commentary of the Rabbi's (OR anyone else) added to MJ's own words is, of course, always to be disregarded, or de-tangled, or cut out all together...

However, I disagree with those who question if MJ even knew a tape was rolling. I don't think there is any question that MJ knew he was being taped.........when he discusses Madonna, for example, he says...." I shouldn't say that on tape..." which means he KNEW he was being taped. However, of course, this does NOT MEAN he wanted the tapes made public in a raw state, without editing, without commentary of his own, etc.

It is the same situation as those tapes that came out recently from the Moonwalker ghostwriter. MJ knew he was being taped, and I believe the same here too....I think at the time he did want something to come of it, a book perhaps one day that they could COLLABORATE ON, but I am sure he never anticipated the raw audio to be released......

I did not watch the show, but have read whatever 'transcripts' and commentary has been made public...we can't stuff the tapes back under the rock from which they came, so IMO, just disregard ALL COMMENTARY and EDITORIALIZING....focus on the words....they are his, and are quite deep, poignant and complex...just as he was.
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ya know what ...I believe you are right..I stand corrected..:)...Michael did say that ...about not saying certain things while being recorded....thank you for reminding me....but still the Rabbi....still an ass In Mu Opinion..for putting stuff out there that he KNEW Michael never would of..:yes:
 
2600becs said:
wow you guys don't like all this crap.. but you still watch it?!
i'm amazed......
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i watched it. i can't argue against something or someone (rabbi) if i don't know the issue.

we are all frustrated and feel helpless with all this trash coming out daily. but to say... just don't watch it... or just ignore it doesn't help the situation either.

we can't fight for michael if we don't know what or who we are fighting against.

while mjjc is taking a hiatus tomorrow, i am going to borders to read the book. i won't pay a dime for it, maybe for my ice tea but i will read the book.

you are right... if you read this book or watched dateline.... and obviously we are all pretty upset with the rabbi. do something about it.

i have written a letter and i am going to send it to meredith, nbc, and dateline certified so i know they get it.

shmuley is a lost cause so he won't get my attention but he better hope he doesn't run into me on the street.

EDIT: Oh, it would be wonderful if he came to my area for a book tour or something. THAT WOULD BE A GREAT B-DAY PRESENT. SOB will get what's coming to him. (Sorry for the language)
 
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ensleyave said:
Michael says from the book. I think she did a lot of crazy things for shock value. But I'm sure having a baby has changed her. I'm sure she is a better person. He said she used to call him and say that she is putting her fingers between her legs. He would say please Madonna. What I want you to do when I hang up the phone is to rub yourself and think of me. In reading the book, Michael did not like this type of female, because he experienced this type of women at age of five and groopies manipulating men. When you first read, you may get offended, but understanding the women that approach him he had every right to feel this way. Also, Madonna wrote some bad things about HIM in the past and that hurt his feelings, but remember that was over 15 to 20 years ago when they dated.
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oh my fucking god!
lol poor michael, now I understand why he said Madonna "scared him", and I thought maybe she tried to kiss him or grab him or something, boy am I naive :D
no I don't think she has changed much after becoming a mother
 
THE JACKSONOLOGIST said:
Not meaning to change the subject, but you all realize the best thing to come out of all this is that we now know that Michael's body will have to be moved to someplace where there are children around. He has expressed his wishes by stating he would be happy if he were burried where there were always children around. I just hope there will be a plan to recreate Neverland in a place where there will be an amusement park, zoo, train station and theater, just like the original Neverland. The new Neverland will also have a mausoleum that will hold Michael's body where he can rest in peace and his soul will be happy. :yes:
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I noticed that statement as well. Back in June I honestly thought that Neverland was the best place... if it was restored and hosted children, like back in good times... sick kids, underpriviledged kids, etc. That way he could be near the Giving Tree and the sounds of children's laughter would fill the place again. But so many have expressed that he really had no intention of ever going back there, despite the fact that he did hang on to it... so I don't know what to think now :(
 
mjjfan4ever said:
did i miss something? like MJ injecting profofol to himself?
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Homicide is not always murder. Why don't you keep your theory about Murray being a murderer in the investigative threads. As it stands, Jackson's death was ruled a homicide, which is death at the hands of another. Homicide can describe manslaughter, wrecklessness or one of any other things.
 
MJ Fans:

Before you rush out to buy anything or listen to this jerk, please read this post.
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http://www.mjfanclub.net/home/index...ing-book-on-mj&catid=85:latest-news&Itemid=82

Rabbi Shmuley Boteach Releasing Book On MJ
(21-09-09) A Note From MJFC: The following news item concerns a book being written by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. We felt it was neccessary to remind the fans just who Rabbi Boteach is before reporting on this story.

Unfortunately, during this very sad time when fans around the world are still grieving over our loss, there are those individuals out there who are trying to cash in on the name Michael Jackson. Sadly, some of those individuals are people who once called themselves Michael Jackson's friend. Rabbi Boteach is one of those people. The Rabbi befriended Jackson back in 1999 and the two spent a great deal of time working on various projects together. However, when Jackson was arrested in 2003 on charges of child molestation, his new friend the Rabbi was nowhere to be found.

Rabbi Boteach admits that he had planned to publish the book at Jackson's request but then shelved the idea after Jackson's arrest. It wasn't until after Jackson died in June, and the world began buying all things MJ, that the Rabbi decided to go ahead with the book and, no doubt, to try and cash in on "his friend," Michael Jackson. Our question is, why couldn't he have released this book back when "his friend" could have used the support? But we already know the answer don't we....it's because back then, no one would touch anything Michael Jackson related. So there was no way that the Rabbi could line his pockets that way!

So, when this book is published and you are deciding whether or not to spend your hard-earned money on it, remember that it was written by someone who recently had this to say about "his friend" Michael Jackson:

He did good in his life, and he made people happy - and [for] some of whom he was very special - but he may indeed have been guilty of very serious crimes, which no one could excuse, and if he was guilty of those crimes, he deserves to be condemned."

This is not the quote of someone who believed that his "friend" was innocent. You can read this quote and more by clicking on the following links:

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1115683.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-shmuley-boteach/the-tragic-end-of-michael_b_221341.html

News Item:
U.S. TV show, NBC Dateline is planning a one-hour special this coming week on Rabbi Shmuley Boteach’s latest book, which is based on 30 hours of taped interviews he did with Michael Jackson more than eight years ago – interviews he describes as “raw, intimate, and revealing.”

The show will air on Friday night, Sept. 25, and the book, which is titled “Michael Jackson Tapes: A Tragic Icon Reveals His Soul in Intimate Conversation," will be published next week.

Source: MJFC / thejewishweek.com
 
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