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Dateline NBC tonight, 9pm E.T with Rabbi Boteach's tapes

suzynyc said:
I'll get flack for this but I have to agree. MJ is partially responsible for his own death. I know it was deemed a homicide and I agree with that but he wanted and asked for these medications. I know they were to help him sleep and escape physical and emotional pain but we don't know that he was "murdered" or killed intentionally. And I can see why someone like the rabbi would be angry with MJ after finding out about his death. I often times wished he was a stronger person to resist all that and that he would have stayed clean if not for himself, then for his children. Probably the rabbi saw that he was beyond help at some point. Some people just don't want to be helped. They have to want to be helped. I say, if this rabbi and anyone else in MJ's life REALLY wanted to help him, they should have forced him somehow to get intensive therapy and/or rehab (which I understand he did try before). I've heard that many people with serious addictions only change when the threat of having their children taken from them is made. Maybe that would have done it. He needed a serious intervention. He may still be alive today had everyone who REALLY loved him and cared about him in his life "ganged" up on him...like Whitney Houston's mother and family did. Easier said than done though.
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read about the history of this "rabbi" he never gave a dam about mj from the begining. spent all of a year as his " friend" prob not even that.kissed his ass at the time calling him a prophet and not far off the second coming.he used mj just like all the other parasites that jumped on the bandwaggon and when mj threw them off as normal they turned on him.
 
Michael used to bare his soul and confide to total strangers that's just the kind of person he was
remember what Thome said Michael told him? that he wanted the world to see the real him, he thought this was the only way he could get his respect back, that's eactly what Bashir's documentary was suppose to do show the real Michael, I'm sure it's Michael on these tapes
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yeah the tapes have been known about for years he tried to flog them a few years back aswell. guess the coward only grew the balls to do it now mj has gone.the only thing is shows is how niave mj was to let someone record him like that and not keeping hold of them himself. cause these assholes always sell u out in the end
 
TheChosenOne said:
And may I add - this is an invasion of privacy and I will be letting Rabbi Boteach, NBC and any other places that promotes this book know how I feel. I have not watched the show nor read the transcript (because of the privacy issues) but it would be interesting to know if NBC asked for proof this consent to be taped. Did they ask Boteach when last he spoke to Michael to be able to make an assessment of his state of mind? Did anyone at Dateline challenge this deceitful, unscruplous, small-minded, judgemental half-wit?

Thankfully, intelligent people who may have seen this programme would look at the footage of TII and think 'hmm... did not want to live ... hmm ...'

I am on Boteach's case. Not because of his personal views. We are all entitled to those (even if they are ill-informed, narrow-minded and mean-spirited) but on the larger issue of privacy and respect for the individual, I cannot countenance Boteach's behaviour. None of us should because none of us would want this to happen to anyone we loved.
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I'm with you. I'm gonna start by reviewing this piece of crap on Amazon.
 
suzynyc said:
I'll get flack for this but I have to agree. MJ is partially responsible for his own death. I know it was deemed a homicide and I agree with that but he wanted and asked for these medications. I know they were to help him sleep and escape physical and emotional pain but we don't know that he was "murdered" or killed intentionally. And I can see why someone like the rabbi would be angry with MJ after finding out about his death. I often times wished he was a stronger person to resist all that and that he would have stayed clean if not for himself, then for his children. Probably the rabbi saw that he was beyond help at some point. Some people just don't want to be helped. They have to want to be helped. I say, if this rabbi and anyone else in MJ's life REALLY wanted to help him, they should have forced him somehow to get intensive therapy and/or rehab (which I understand he did try before). I've heard that many people with serious addictions only change when the threat of having their children taken from them is made. Maybe that would have done it. He needed a serious intervention. He may still be alive today had everyone who REALLY loved him and cared about him in his life "ganged" up on him...like Whitney Houston's mother and family did. Easier said than done though.
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Spoken like the ill-informed.

FOR THE LAST TIME: The Coroner did not find any painkillers (demoral, oxycontin) in Michael's system. It was a flood of sedatives and propofal which was given to Michael throughout the early morning of June 25, right on up to the mid-morning. Michael was murdered. PERIOD. HE WAS MURDERED.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT NOT WANTING TO 'FACE THE FACTS OF DRUG ADDICTION'. MICHAEL DID NOT DIE OF A DRUG OVERDOSE. HE DIED FROM PROPOFAL INTOXICATION ADMINISTERED BY THIS 'DOCTOR' WHO CARRIED OUT A MURDER AT THE ORDER OF OTHERS WHO WANTED MICHAEL GONE. DRUG ADDICT ANGLE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A RED HERRING TO COVER UP THE MURDER.

That is just why the media, despite the HOMICIDE ruling of the cororner, chooses to talk about drug addiction and personal responsibility etc. Because they know the majority of people are nothing but sheep and will swallow up anything that the media puts before them.

As for Shumley Boteach (I REFUSE to call him 'Rabbi'), he's nothing but a hypocritical, jealous, pompous, self-important jack-ass. He is a crook and a thief. Fame and fortune is something he's always condemning Michael Jackson and other celebrities for, but this creep seeks it ANYWAY he can, and is using Michael's death to profit from. Instead of falling for his drivel, do some research on this clown and you will see him for what he is instead of what he wants people to think he is.
 
suzynyc said:
I often times wished he was a stronger person to resist all that and that he would have stayed clean if not for himself, then for his children He may still be alive today had everyone who REALLY loved him and cared about him in his life "ganged" up on him...like Whitney Houston's mother and family did. Easier said than done though.
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But how strong must someone be, to deal with the shit he's been through? I'm really not suprised by the drugs, cause no one could have dealth with the pressure he had to endure. One the one hand you hear stories about him being frail and sick, but on the other hand they say he had controlling power... Even if Michael demanded something for his problem, it's the doctors responcibilty who continued giving him this shit!

And for his Family and other loved ones, their contact with Michael was minimal, thats why for me it seems they are dealing with his death less harder then his fans, who i read from their stories still cry and hurt everyday...

Michael needing this stuff, is not because he wanted it, it's because of those evil -factors that have pushed him into needing this stuff...

No person is that strong to have dealth with the shit he's been through
 
Hello everyone,

As a Jew myself, I'm very disappointed of that "Rabbi"! Shamuely should be ashamed of himself. They twisted everything that Michael said and he is not here anymore to defend himself..I'm so angry! Rabbi Shmuely wants only money, I'm 100% sure about it. what a shame! No wonder Michael couldn't trust anyone

:( this world is mad!

I'm going to send a letter to Rabbi Shmuely, I know that it wont help anymore but I'm so angry
 
suzynyc said:
I'll get flack for this but I have to agree. MJ is partially responsible for his own death. I know it was deemed a homicide and I agree with that but he wanted and asked for these medications. I know they were to help him sleep and escape physical and emotional pain but we don't know that he was "murdered" or killed intentionally. And I can see why someone like the rabbi would be angry with MJ after finding out about his death. I often times wished he was a stronger person to resist all that and that he would have stayed clean if not for himself, then for his children. Probably the rabbi saw that he was beyond help at some point. Some people just don't want to be helped. They have to want to be helped. I say, if this rabbi and anyone else in MJ's life REALLY wanted to help him, they should have forced him somehow to get intensive therapy and/or rehab (which I understand he did try before). I've heard that many people with serious addictions only change when the threat of having their children taken from them is made. Maybe that would have done it. He needed a serious intervention. He may still be alive today had everyone who REALLY loved him and cared about him in his life "ganged" up on him...like Whitney Houston's mother and family did. Easier said than done though.
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Even though Mike ASKED for propofol , as a doctor , don't u know better. Shouldn't u know better. First of all HE was not even qualified to administer the damn drug. He was a Cardiologist(sp). Secondly that drug is not common to the public , only doctors. you cannot buy it. And how would Mike have known about it in the first place. he MUSt have been introduced to it by a doctor. He must have been told it was safe to use. Mike didn't die of a drug OVERDOSE. Murray killed him. even though it was not intentional he killed him. He should have said No its dangerous, I'm not qualified to administer that drug and it Should only be given in a hospital setting.

And dont forget he called 911 a whole frikken 1/2hr after. His lawyer said on the Today show , that is because Mike didn't have a phine in his room and murray didn't use his own cell cuz he didn't know the address. The same one he's been coming to for weeks. And now we are finding out his gf lives neafrby. When then paramedics came , he didn't let them live right away , they took him to the hospital after and hr.

And lets not forget CPR on THE BED. MJ didn't ask for all of that. A PROFESSIONSL DOCTOR killed him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Memefan said:
I don't understand why you guys are so worked up over this. I knew the fake rabbi would not do him justice. I also knew, it was his words that MJ authorized the release of these tapes, without ever showing proof of it.
I called for people to boycott the show, out of respect for MJ and the further injustice his legacy & name were about to be submitted.

Obviously everyone wanted to "hear MJ".

That is the hypocrisy I have noticed among MJ fans, taking ish about tabloids and the press all while being a willing participant. What were you expecting???

Quit asking when it will stop, because as long as people keep supporting the "demonization" of Michael Jackson, it will not stop.
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it's not so much supporting the 'demonization' of Michael. it's the fact that the devils out there know that waddling in the atmosphere of the essence of Michael Jackson attracts the world, and those devils know it. so they will make money off of it, vain, for them, though that money will be, because fans cannot resist the name Michael Jackson....no matter what.
 
suzynyc said:
I'll get flack for this but I have to agree. MJ is partially responsible for his own death. I know it was deemed a homicide and I agree with that but he wanted and asked for these medications. I know they were to help him sleep and escape physical and emotional pain but we don't know that he was "murdered" or killed intentionally. And I can see why someone like the rabbi would be angry with MJ after finding out about his death. I often times wished he was a stronger person to resist all that and that he would have stayed clean if not for himself, then for his children. Probably the rabbi saw that he was beyond help at some point. Some people just don't want to be helped. They have to want to be helped. I say, if this rabbi and anyone else in MJ's life REALLY wanted to help him, they should have forced him somehow to get intensive therapy and/or rehab (which I understand he did try before). I've heard that many people with serious addictions only change when the threat of having their children taken from them is made. Maybe that would have done it. He needed a serious intervention. He may still be alive today had everyone who REALLY loved him and cared about him in his life "ganged" up on him...like Whitney Houston's mother and family did. Easier said than done though.
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you have some very good points(mostly about the drug, homicide...), but you are totally wrong about the fake rabbi.

He is a thief and a conniving man. Used MJ in the past, but MJ wised up and kicked him out of his life. So don't put much faith in what the fake rabbi is selling.

He is all about making money, whether by stealing from MJ's children charity..or by writing a book.
 
I didn't watch this crap, however these tapes speak more about Shmuley than they do Michael...seems people have agendas even when in conversations with Michael. Pretty damn sad when you can't talk with someone without it being recorded and used for profit. The media are just as lame for airing it...but hey get that money. "Heal The Kids" was ripped off by the good Rabbi but why should that concern the media, it's just money for kids...right? They mocked Michael for giving a damn about children's welfare for years, but will use the Rabbi's (who stole from charity for children) tapes for ratings...ironic and sick!
 
I think what some are saying is that the long-term effects of the medications he requested finally did him in - that and the combination of drugs he received that night. However, as his doctor or his nurse, I would have taken the responsibility from a long time ago to try to get this guy off of his meds. Eventually, long-term use of the types of drugs that MJ was supposedly on does a number on your body. And that's a fact.
 
Just to add, if the Rabbi wants to create innuendo about Michael's allegations in interviews, books or whatever...then why the hell was Shmuley hanging with Michael after he was accused of those allegations???...the twit!
 
I often times wished he was a stronger person to resist all that and that he would have stayed clean if not for himself, then for his children He may still be alive today had everyone who REALLY loved him and cared about him in his life "ganged" up on him...like Whitney Houston's mother and family did. Easier said than done though.
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whitney being on crack and mj using diprivan to sleep because of insomnia is slightly different. shame doctors didnt do thier job in the first place and got him treatment for his insomnia instead of peddling other things that no doubt made them more $
 
enlightenu said:
Spoken like the ill-informed.

FOR THE LAST TIME: The Coroner did not find any painkillers (demoral, oxycontin) in Michael's system. It was a flood of sedatives and propofal which was given to Michael throughout the early morning of June 25, right on up to the mid-morning. Michael was murdered. PERIOD. HE WAS MURDERED.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT NOT WANTING TO 'FACE THE FACTS OF DRUG ADDICTION'. MICHAEL DID NOT DIE OF A DRUG OVERDOSE. HE DIED FROM PROPOFAL INTOXICATION ADMINISTERED BY THIS 'DOCTOR' WHO CARRIED OUT A MURDER AT THE ORDER OF OTHERS WHO WANTED MICHAEL GONE. DRUG ADDICT ANGLE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A RED HERRING TO COVER UP THE MURDER.

That is just why the media, despite the HOMICIDE ruling of the cororner, chooses to talk about drug addiction and personal responsibility etc. Because they know the majority of people are nothing but sheep and will swallow up anything that the media puts before them.

As for Shumley Boteach (I REFUSE to call him 'Rabbi'), he's nothing but a hypocritical, jealous, pompous, self-important jack-ass. He is a crook and a thief. Fame and fortune is something he's always condemning Michael Jackson and other celebrities for, but this creep seeks it ANYWAY he can, and is using Michael's death to profit from. Instead of falling for his drivel, do some research on this clown and you will see him for what he is instead of what he wants people to think he is.
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i didnt need to post u said it all!:clapping:
 
What bothers me the most about Rabbi Shmuck-ley is that he insists that Michael brought his own death upon himself, when the LA coroner says that MJs death was a homicide.

Who is the Rabbi covering for?
 
god this is just too disgusting the tapes are everywhere TMZ,NOTW,the sun,ET/the insider
and there only picking the part where he talks about kids trying to make it something awful
this is just horrible
I hope that b*tch is enjoying his blood money
 
enlightenu said:
THIS IS NOT ABOUT NOT WANTING TO 'FACE THE FACTS OF DRUG ADDICTION'. MICHAEL DID NOT DIE OF A DRUG OVERDOSE. HE DIED FROM PROPOFAL INTOXICATION ADMINISTERED BY THIS 'DOCTOR' WHO CARRIED OUT A MURDER AT THE ORDER OF OTHERS WHO WANTED MICHAEL GONE. DRUG ADDICT ANGLE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A RED HERRING TO COVER UP THE MURDER.
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The reason I have a hard time believing this is because I don't see any possible gain somebody would have for murdering Michael...

He left his estate to his family so there would be no financial gain from anybody else. AEG had to do the mother of all refunds.... I mean, who would gain anything by murdering him?
 
Correct , nothing really bad....

Some tabloid say that michael mentioned hitler as a "genius" which of course is NOT true.

also, it's been 9 years... for crying out loud... All what it says to me, is that "Schmuley Bully" simply wants money and i know for a fact that it's because of that he is doing that, and not for charity...

also, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT VIERA GAL???? SHE KEEPS ON SAYING THAT THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH MICHAEL AND CHILDREN... ISN'T AN AQUITTAL ENOUGH???? FUCKING A.....
 
This is only one small side of Michael Jackson and not the whole_We know MJ also had joy and happiness
in his life and did many things that brought him joy. We didnt here all what he had to say in these tapes
This was highly edited by Dateline and Im sure rabbi only included tapes to suit his view_ Hopefully their
will be more positive thoughts from Michael in his book and remember this was was 9 years ago _
MJ may have seen things much differenty in 2009
 
claudiomiami said:
Correct , nothing really bad....

Some tabloid say that michael mentioned hitler as a "genius" which of course is NOT true.

also, it's been 9 years... for crying out loud... All what it says to me, is that "Schmuley Bully" simply wants money and i know for a fact that it's because of that he is doing that, and not for charity...

also, WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT VIERA GAL???? SHE KEEPS ON SAYING THAT THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH MICHAEL AND CHILDREN... ISN'T AN AQUITTAL ENOUGH???? FUCKING A.....
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You know why he loved kids. Think about it. Almost every adult in his life betrayed him. Even the mol allegations adults were behind it. He gravitated to the only people who he could trust KIDS. When you are in strip clubs at the age of five working. (that is someone in kindergarten) and someone beating your a** as sure as you breath telling you you're ugly too black and I'm sure it is more he will not say, because he doesn't want to hurt his mother. What type of coping skills will he learn. Put yourself in his shoes Viera Gal.
 
qbee said:
This is only one small side of Michael Jackson
and not the whole_ he also had joy and happiness
in his life and did many things that brought him joy
we didnt here all what he had to say in these tapes
This was highly edited by Dateline and Im sure rabbi
only included tapes to suit his view_ Hopefully their
will be more positive thoughts from Michael in his book
and remember this was was 9 years ago _ MJ may have
seen things much differenty in 2009
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You are right nine years ago. A lot changes in nine years. This Madonna thing is taken out of context. He was talking about their relationship I think maybe around Bad or Dangerous years. Madonna said some not so nice things about him, so he was a little upset at the time. That was a long time ageo.
 
They still won't let him go even when he's gone .
All because of MONEY MONEY MONEY!
Everything has gone too far.No one treat him as a PERSON.
What the hack is happening to those people?? Where is their conscience??
Im speechless......
 
For those who want to say a special "thank you" to the good rabbi:

on twitter:
@RabbiShmuley

I just tweeted him a quote from MJ's song "Money". I thought it was very fitting.
 
I haven't watched it and I will not buy the book. I believe that Michael did not want these tapes to be heard ( if he was even aware that he was being recorded) and if I can't put those who contributed to Michael's death then the least I can do is keep on loving him as I've always done and show him the respect I've always shown him and that he deserves.
These tapes prove nothing only that Michael was human. He had insecurities, he was shy, he fancied some girls, he was disappointed by people - that's called life man. That rabbi is making it sound as if Michael was not allowed to do these things , or to feel the way he did. Its like they're saying " Michael you're a superstar now, you can't human anymore"
There's nothing wrong with saying that you don't want to grow old, I don't want to grow old, I'm quite scared of it, but Michael saying that , OH no he must be weird, gosh that guy is going crazy. That's what that stupid rabbi is doing, turning everything around to satisfy his own greed. He's like " I makeMichael look bad , pay day!" It makes me sick. I'm so angry right now,:mat: I'm literally shaking.
All these vultures that are suddenly appearing , smearing Michael's name, I wonder to myself " who are they trying to fool, us or themselves" its like they're telling themselves " Michael is this, Michael was that" and they're trying to enforce this on us. Its like they're trying to break our love for Michael. Well duh , they obviously don't know what love is. Love is not a tap you switch on and off. They will never suceed in breaking our love for Michael, they can say or do anything they want, but they will NEVER break our love for Michael. These Vultures will never win, and they haven't won! Love truimphs all!
 
Soso Deaf said:
mike is at peace now. the only ones suffering are those he loved and left b ehind. so take solace in the fact that this does nothing to sully OUR opinion of him. if anything, it makes us love him more.
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:clapping:

suzynyc said:
I'll get flack for this but I have to agree. MJ is partially responsible for his own death. I know it was deemed a homicide and I agree with that but he wanted and asked for these medications. I know they were to help him sleep and escape physical and emotional pain but we don't know that he was "murdered" or killed intentionally. And I can see why someone like the rabbi would be angry with MJ after finding out about his death. I often times wished he was a stronger person to resist all that and that he would have stayed clean if not for himself, then for his children. Probably the rabbi saw that he was beyond help at some point. Some people just don't want to be helped. They have to want to be helped. I say, if this rabbi and anyone else in MJ's life REALLY wanted to help him, they should have forced him somehow to get intensive therapy and/or rehab (which I understand he did try before). I've heard that many people with serious addictions only change when the threat of having their children taken from them is made. Maybe that would have done it. He needed a serious intervention. He may still be alive today had everyone who REALLY loved him and cared about him in his life "ganged" up on him...like Whitney Houston's mother and family did. Easier said than done though.
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enlightenu said:
Spoken like the ill-informed.

FOR THE LAST TIME: The Coroner did not find any painkillers (demoral, oxycontin) in Michael's system. It was a flood of sedatives and propofal which was given to Michael throughout the early morning of June 25, right on up to the mid-morning. Michael was murdered. PERIOD. HE WAS MURDERED.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT NOT WANTING TO 'FACE THE FACTS OF DRUG ADDICTION'. MICHAEL DID NOT DIE OF A DRUG OVERDOSE. HE DIED FROM PROPOFAL INTOXICATION ADMINISTERED BY THIS 'DOCTOR' WHO CARRIED OUT A MURDER AT THE ORDER OF OTHERS WHO WANTED MICHAEL GONE. DRUG ADDICT ANGLE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A RED HERRING TO COVER UP THE MURDER.

That is just why the media, despite the HOMICIDE ruling of the cororner, chooses to talk about drug addiction and personal responsibility etc. Because they know the majority of people are nothing but sheep and will swallow up anything that the media puts before them.

As for Shumley Boteach (I REFUSE to call him 'Rabbi'), he's nothing but a hypocritical, jealous, pompous, self-important jack-ass. He is a crook and a thief. Fame and fortune is something he's always condemning Michael Jackson and other celebrities for, but this creep seeks it ANYWAY he can, and is using Michael's death to profit from. Instead of falling for his drivel, do some research on this clown and you will see him for what he is instead of what he wants people to think he is.
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hallelujah-

dolorean said:
But how strong must someone be, to deal with the shit he's been through? I'm really not suprised by the drugs, cause no one could have dealth with the pressure he had to endure. One the one hand you hear stories about him being frail and sick, but on the other hand they say he had controlling power... Even if Michael demanded something for his problem, it's the doctors responcibilty who continued giving him this shit!

And for his Family and other loved ones, their contact with Michael was minimal, thats why for me it seems they are dealing with his death less harder then his fans, who i read from their stories still cry and hurt everyday...

Michael needing this stuff, is not because he wanted it, it's because of those evil -factors that have pushed him into needing this stuff...

No person is that strong to have dealth with the shit he's been through
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Well no human being could have been strong enough to handle what he had to throughout his life and especially the last 15 years.
last i checked mj was a human being and not god or a robot with out feelings. before people point their fingers at mj and say he should have been stronger..... they need to look at themselves and be honest how the hell they would have coped with all that mj had to bear.

elusive moonwalker said:
whitney being on crack and mj using diprivan to sleep because of insomnia is slightly different. shame doctors didnt do thier job in the first place and got him treatment for his insomnia instead of peddling other things that no doubt made them more $
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X_AGNES_X said:
They still won't let him go even when he's gone .
All because of MONEY MONEY MONEY!
Everything has gone too far.No one treat him as a PERSON.
What the hack is happening to those people?? Where is their conscience??
Im speechless......
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this all is very very sad, how lonesome he was, unbelievable.
I know Boteach wants to make money, but nevertheless I think also he doesn't really a tort to Michael, I think many people now will have empathy with him. RIP, where you are now you have your peace for all time.
 
blankyluvdoodoo said:
good one
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as Michael would say: Stop the hating ..

Sadly, sadly, we live in a state of fear. Everyday we hear of war on the news, on the radio and television and the newspapers, always of war. We hear of nations hurting each other, of neighbours hurting each other, of families hurting each other and the children killing each other. We must learn to live and love each other before its too late. We have to stop! We have to stop the prejudice, we have to stop the hating, we have to stop living in fear of our own neighbours.
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Not meaning to change the subject, but you all realize the best thing to come out of all this is that we now know that Michael's body will have to be moved to someplace where there are children around. He has expressed his wishes by stating he would be happy if he were burried where there were always children around. I just hope there will be a plan to recreate Neverland in a place where there will be an amusement park, zoo, train station and theater, just like the original Neverland. The new Neverland will also have a mausoleum that will hold Michael's body where he can rest in peace and his soul will be happy. :yes:
 
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