Coroners Report released - GRAPHIC CONTENT (Threads merged)

[ivy]

I know that ivy but in this report.. I guess I just felt really bad reading it like this.

:better: I can totally relate to that

 

[eStyle]

The call it murder 2 in that case.

Yeah, maybe they do but it's a lil' hard to explain - I mean the title IM is right, tho'! Only the fact that he can get a max of four years in prison seems wrong to me. Ok, you say it is called murder of 2nd degree then, if he stays longer in jail but we don't know if it was murder or not. But I'm not only talkin' about this case here, I'm sayin' it in general. Even if it's IM (no matter what exactly happened there now, whatever the case might be), the time spending in prison should be longer in my opinion!

 

[riviera1992]

Max 4 years means he does 1/3 of that for MURDER? I don't care if it's involontary or not, and someone caught selling pot gets 10 years ++

 

[Petrarose]

After all the information, I LOVE HIM MORE. Imagine all he had to go through, and when he told the truth the media twisted it so that many did not believe him, e.g., his skin condition. Although it is sad and difficult to read the information, I hope many who read it come to realize the truth. For instance, just after he died one of my friends told me that on a TV program the host said that MJ had a cut on his leg because he placed the IV for illegal drugs there so that people will not notice the marks. A heap of XXXXXXX!!! Hopefully, people who CAN READ will see how they were duped into believing nonsense.

Thanks everyone for all the information.

ARKLOVE, see you in the Manhood thread.

 

[Asedora]

They seem to have remained pretty quiet at the moment. They usually flood the TMZ comments pages but have remained quiet.

What a great observation. Thank you!

 

[Travis]

^^^
that info is already known. during 1993 allegations when they took the pictures it was mentioned as a discrepancy.

Now that I think about it, isn't that one of the reasons that MJ came out on top in the civil suit? I thought I read the boy incorrectly described MJ's manhood by insisting that he was circumcised, or something along those lines. It's been so long I really can't remember clearly. Maybe someone else can straighten this out for me.

 

[callmerose]

Now that I think about it, isn't that one of the reasons that MJ came out on top in the civil suit? I thought I read the boy incorrectly described MJ's manhood by insisting that he was circumcised, or something along those lines. It's been so long I really can't remember clearly. Maybe someone else can straighten this out for me.

That is correct. There were other inconsistencies as well.

 

[Travis]

That is correct. There were other inconsistencies as well.

Could you refresh my memory or direct me to a link? I'd really like to freshen up on this. It's always good for when I come across ignorant folks.

 

[RainbowAngel]

I don't think you should read it. I think it would upset you a lot. I think you will hear about all of the important information from others. There is no reason to force yourself to do something that will upset you so much.

Yeah, don't read it unless you know you are a strong person, or have good knowledge of medical background.

 

[RainbowAngel]

Why would the report change anything about how I feel about him? It just made the loss even more painful because now it's officially confirmed that Michael was healthy and it was not his time to go.

He wasn't healthy according to the autopsy report. Media report nonsense saying he is healthy and ready to do the concert to cover AEG up. If you know your medical and pharmaceutical sciences you know from the 51 pages of autopsy report that this patient had many repairs and surgeries in the past for many parts of the body and is in no condition to perform but should stay at home and have regular hospital visits. Dr. Murray is responsible for killing him but AEG is responsible for putting him under so much pressure to do the concert.

 

[souldreamer7]

I think he was probably too thin, but I don't think it was affecting his health. 136 is thin for a 50 year old man of Michael's height but most 50 year old men aren't dancers. 120 is really thin. I have seen Michael at around that weight when he was much younger and he was definitely too thin. But it wasn't as noticable then because when you are young, your face doesn't get thin like when you are older. Anyway, long story short, I think people will continue to believe what they want to believe.

His height is listed at 69 inches. Thats 5 ft. 9. at 136 pounds as you age you loose muscle mass.

 

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

GOT TO SAY THIS, and dont say im paranoid or say it, i dont care, in the end the truth will come out, sooner or later.

Is getting clearer and one day is gonna get clearWATER.

This whole thing with Murray is just a circus, is fiction a whole act.

Murray was just the one to finish the JOB, the Job was to finish Michael Jackson.

There are higher people behind Murray, Murray can get what??? 4 years???? thats NOTHING, and may be he would get less or even nothing, cause he has major support.

Has anyone of you ever wonder why is he sooooo calm???

Well, is cause he has PROTECTION, this is all a plan, a DISGUISED CRIME, is all designed to make it LOOK like an accidental death, but is NOT.

Michael Jackson death is deeper than what they want to make us believe...Michael was killed and it was ALL VERY WELL CALCULATED, this is just circus, and is ridiculous, its sooooooooooo obvious.....


Murray may get those few years, then he will get out and i can guarantee you MURRAY would get PAID cause this was MURDER

In the end, when Michael talked about conspiracy and everybody just took him as a crazy w**** he was once again RIGHT.


You-ll see. Some are getting major bennefits out of Michael Jackson-s death.

One more thing, MANY of Michael-s "dear closest friends" are part of this plan as well.

 

[Soundmind]

He wasn't healthy according to the autopsy report. Media report nonsense saying he is healthy and ready to do the concert to cover AEG up. If you know your medical and pharmaceutical sciences you know from the 51 pages of autopsy report that this patient had many repairs and surgeries in the past for many parts of the body and is in no condition to perform but should stay at home and have regular hospital visits. Dr. Murray is responsible for killing him but AEG is responsible for putting him under so much pressure to do the concert.

From the autopsy results I saw no ADDICT , I saw no JUNKIE , and I saw someone who was of SOUND MIND when he WROTE HIS WILL , and those who want to use this report to sue WILL GET NOTHING of anyone BUT MURRAY .

Mike Jagger has been snorting coke for DECADES and he still can perform , the same apply to 90% of performs , I'm sure their autopsies will not be half good when they die , no one say they should stay at home .

I'm sure MJ's moderate prostate enlargement would not have prevented him from having sex let alone perform , so he was perfectly healthy for his age .

 

[FedoraHatGirl2058]

One more thing, dont get distracted by superfitial stuff... USE COMMON SENSE

addict, no addict THAT IS NOT THE POINT, this is all disguised, DESIGNED TO DISTRACT YOU, dont help MURRAY and the ones ABOVE HIM, the main ones

 

[lilsusie]

He wasn't healthy according to the autopsy report. Media report nonsense saying he is healthy and ready to do the concert to cover AEG up. If you know your medical and pharmaceutical sciences you know from the 51 pages of autopsy report that this patient had many repairs and surgeries in the past for many parts of the body and is in no condition to perform but should stay at home and have regular hospital visits. Dr. Murray is responsible for killing him but AEG is responsible for putting him under so much pressure to do the concert.

I agree with this post. Many after reading the autopsy reports are saying he's healthy and that he could do 50shows. I don't think so. His health is okay in general but not perfect. I'm half his age and have no medical condition yet I'd get dizzy and feel like hell after a rigorous exercise. How then could he a 50 year old man with inflammation in the lung perform for 2 hours straight and not feeling extreme tiredness and breathless?

And about the weight thing, I do not believe he's 136KG. He was too skinny to be 136KG. His body was stored in the refridgerator for days/weeks before he's weighed. As dead body either get lighter or heavier, 136KG was just his dead body weight, not his actual weight when he's alive. AEG knows he's always in extreme tiredness and was terribly skinny but they pushed him to do the shows and put extreme pressure on him. Now, they reaped their fruits of evil. AEG is just as guilty as Conrad Murray.

 

[mjjmsc]

He wasn't healthy according to the autopsy report. Media report nonsense saying he is healthy and ready to do the concert to cover AEG up. If you know your medical and pharmaceutical sciences you know from the 51 pages of autopsy report that this patient had many repairs and surgeries in the past for many parts of the body and is in no condition to perform but should stay at home and have regular hospital visits. Dr. Murray is responsible for killing him but AEG is responsible for putting him under so much pressure to do the concert.

it was nothing special for his age group!Michael was in good health for a 50 year old man,especially if we think to his hard life...Michael would have been able to make the shows,stop being so negative.be proud of him,he was not stupid,he was happy and talented.he had a sleeping problem,he just didn't understand how dangerous propofol was because he did this before and nothing wrong happened.that's way it's the doctor job to decide what's good for a person!

 

[Autumn II]

I read it, and I am SO sorry that I did. If you've not read it yet, I'd advise NOT doing it. It's just too invasive. It's like the final invasion, and insult, for such a private man. Michael, I am SO sorry. . for everything. . .

 

[JMie]

He wasn't healthy according to the autopsy report. Media report nonsense saying he is healthy and ready to do the concert to cover AEG up. If you know your medical and pharmaceutical sciences you know from the 51 pages of autopsy report that this patient had many repairs and surgeries in the past for many parts of the body and is in no condition to perform but should stay at home and have regular hospital visits. Dr. Murray is responsible for killing him but AEG is responsible for putting him under so much pressure to do the concert.

I've read the report. All his organs were described as "unremarkable" and with no evidence of any abnormalities. Those health problems that he did have are described as either "not unusual in this age group" or "unrelated to the cause or manner of death". So, he WAS healthy. He was NOT on a dying bed. He was living his life and he was killed by the injection of propofol.

 

[Soundmind]

I read it, and I am SO sorry that I did. If you've not read it yet, I'd advise NOT doing it. It's just too invasive. It's like the final invasion, and insult, for such a private man. Michael, I am SO sorry. . for everything. . .

Very true , I felt ashamed of myself, all I thought was how would he feel .

 

[Autumn II]

This was truly the most difficult thing I've ever read. It was so terribly invasive. I am SO sorry.

With that said, these are my initial impressions.

There was an empty oxygen tank. Why was there no oxygen available? Did he need MORE, and it was not there?

There was a blood-pressure cuff in the CLOSET? Would not that be important???? Why was it not available?

He was NOT healthy. The lung inflammation was chronic, long-term, and would have caused breathing problems with exercise. Such as.. . . fifty concerts.

The broken ribs and sternum (breastbone) were probably caused by (pointless) CPR.

He was on a maintenance-dose of antibiotics. Why?

He was already gone when paramedics got there, and any CPR after that was just for "show."

His height was WRONG. What else is wrong about this report?

The autopsy confirmed vitiligo, and everyone who says differently should forever STFU.

I'm sure there is more. I'm still processing this devastating report.

 

[Mechi]

Well this report doesn't prove really a thing I didn't know but that Michael was killed for sure... what was before a pretty strong theory on my mind supported by what was leaked from the LAPD etc. before.
I'll give Michael my complete respect in never talking about anything from this report what's simply complete irrelevant and private... think I've forgotten all that already.

Conclusion simply is: No signs he did it himself. It was given to him. Michael was killed.

Either it was Murray (as he said himself was giving such medication to Michael) or it was someone else... what would still prove Murray left Michael irresponsible alone so it doesn't really make him not guilty.

That they don't find a motive for Murray, doesn't mean to me there is non.
That they don't find prove for a conspiracy, doesn't prove there is non.
Maybe there is no such or maybe they only don't find it. Will not get me worked up into any direction but also will not really convince me finally into any direction.

Back to the topic... report... I'm wondering what Murray will say about the ephedrine? Does anyone remind if he said something about it before?

 

[Soundmind]

the amounts of propofol in his URINE does not support at all a night of propofol , the amounts found are very little , it does support ONE SHOT OF PROPOFOL .

the blood concentration of propofol 4.1 does not support a sedation level , it supports a BOLUS INJECTION OF DOSE GIVEN TO INDUCE GENERAL ANESTHESIA .

The high blood concentration means only MJ DIED IMMEDIATLY and there was no time for propofol concentration to drop .

The coroner did not mention any of that , the coroner did not even estimate the time of death .

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

The Autopsy basically claims he was healthy, aside from the inflammation of the lungs, which isn't exactly life threatening if you know how to handle it. I have a mitral valve prolaspe which basically means I have an enlarged heart and my lungs can become inflamed or blocked at times. Only thing I really have a hard time doing is running because I get winded very fast due to this disorder, I can sing and dance, but also need breaks in between performances. And I'm just your ordinary Joe who enjoys to perform in his free time, Michael was the greatest entertainer in the world, and I doubt he would've let his lungs stop him from doing what he loved best. Point is, because he has chronic inflammation, it doesn't mean that he wasn't healthy,

 

[ivy]

He wasn't healthy according to the autopsy report. Media report nonsense saying he is healthy and ready to do the concert to cover AEG up. .

it was nothing special for his age group!Michael was in good health for a 50 year old man,especially if we think to his hard life...

I've read the report. All his organs were described as "unremarkable" and with no evidence of any abnormalities. Those health problems that he did have are described as either "not unusual in this age group" or "unrelated to the cause or manner of death". So, he WAS healthy. He was NOT on a dying bed. He was living his life and he was killed by the injection of propofol.

He was NOT healthy. The lung inflammation was chronic, long-term, and would have caused breathing problems with exercise. Such as.. . . fifty concerts.

In this debate I'll go with healthy. Like kathiejmie mentioned all the major organs (heart, brain, liver etc) are mentioned to be normal and healthy. yes he had enlarged prostate - normal for a 50 year old, some signs of osteoporosis - again normal for a 50 year old.

the only thing is the lung inflammation - which is classified as insignificant and not a contributing factor. But yes it can cause shortness of breath.

Now if you remember the AEG physical it also said that "king of pop is healthy but he had a cold". Now at that physical they might have classified the lung inflammation as a cold.

Also remember Quincy Jones "not so nice" statements about Michael "he'd come up with, "Man, I promise you I have this disease," and so forth, and "I have a blister on my lungs".

Apparently MJ was complaining about his lungs since 70-80s. Therefore I think that lung situation could be a lifetime situation related to his lupus.

 

[cyberjackson]

Max 4 years means he does 1/3 of that for MURDER? I don't care if it's involontary or not, and someone caught selling pot gets 10 years ++

:agree:Yea I know right! Murdering someone isn't that bad.. but if you're caught with weed or something lame.. look out!!!!:glare: This whole thing pisses me off.

I haven't read the report yet because I am afraid too... It would be like slowly reliving his death all over again...

 

[asandra]

All in all, I still keep myself apart from reading this document, 'cause not only the pain delivered, but also the level of too many invasive details... for such an extraordinary human being, seems too unfair for me to be exposed even in death... :angel:
I imagine in days to come, more and more tabloids and TV will start to disset all the details, as they did after FBI files, and to take any opportunity to gain one again some ratings, using his name.
So here is what I think we may have as a point in helping his image:

How does medialoid lie? Rolling Stone magazine, for example, wrote in both its "tribute" editions that Michael wore a nose prosthesis. They even said that an unnamed "source" told them that once, during rehearsal, it fell off and rolled across the floor. Well, the coroner's 51-page report has just been released and, lo and behold, Michael's nose bore one scar on either side of his nostrils but otherwise was intact. Clearly, he was buried with his God-given nose.

Will Rolling Stone retract its lie? Not on your life! Why not? Because a dead man can't be defamed. How convenient. How convenient for anyone in medialoid (mainstream media infected by tabloid journalism) who wants to make a buck on Michael Jackson--dead or alive. Defamers--all of you.

The text belongs to a friend of mine, Catherine. I hope you will meet this quote all over the net.:clapping:

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

It doesn't make sense from a strategic point of view to release the autopsy report yet.

 

[mjjmsc]

The Autopsy basically claims he was healthy, aside from the inflammation of the lungs, which isn't exactly life threatening if you know how to handle it. I have a mitral valve prolaspe which basically means I have an enlarged heart and my lungs can become inflamed or blocked at times. Only thing I really have a hard time doing is running because I get winded very fast due to this disorder, I can sing and dance, but also need breaks in between performances. And I'm just your ordinary Joe who enjoys to perform in his free time, Michael was the greatest entertainer in the world, and I doubt he would've let his lungs stop him from doing what he loved best. Point is, because he has chronic inflammation, it doesn't mean that he wasn't healthy,

i totally agree with you!Michael loved what he was doing so this problems couldn't stop him!
the report is very scientific and it shows that for a 50 year old man Michael was healthy.the problems with the lungs were old...
Murray didn't wacht him properly after he administer a dangerous drug.
Michael should be alive!end of story...

 

[Autumn II]

This was SO invasive. Michael, I am SO sorry. Somehow, and in some way, justice must be done, and LOVE must prevail. . . I have to keep believing that.

 

[Stranger]

Question

I too read the report and felt a bit ashamed at the end..especially reading the truth about his hair. Its like for years we speculated about it, but it wasnt our right to know. MJ and his body were about mystery and now theres nothing left.

But I have a question. When MJ was arrested in November 2003, on his booking information, it stated his weight as 120lbs and height as 5'11. On the autospy, the height is 5'9 and weight is 136lbs.

Now I understand the height difference. When Mj was booked, he probably had on shoes and they measured to the top of his hair. But the autospy must have been just the "body" so to speak.

However, the weight is very suspect. In the photos of the One more chance video (which was done days before the arrest), he is quite a good weight. His thighs are meatly and he's generally healthy (weight wise). In the This is It photos, he is much much thinner. His legs are like sticks.

So how the hell can he weight 16lbs more than in 2003? Do you think the arrest details are false. Maybe they didnt weigh him and someone just supplied the information e.g. from a passport or something?

What do you all think?