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kathiejmie said:
Why would the report change anything about how I feel about him? It just made the loss even more painful because now it's officially confirmed that Michael was healthy and it was not his time to go.
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My elder sister kept telling me there was nothing l could do about it. And l answered her watch us.

My younger sis said l could not go around thinking about his cause of death. After 27 + u would think they would know better. But hell no. I miss him, we all do but l cant seem to recover.

Michael was not an icon but family to us:(
 
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GinnyJackson said:
Again i ask

Now that you have read the report. Does this change how you feel towards Michael?

My answer. No...
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No, it changes absolutely nothing. Michael has been a part of me ever since 1997 when I became a fan. I :heart: him.
And I can't see how an autopsy report could change that?
 
Moonwalker.Fan said:
Guys, do you realize that with such a report of coroner and the trial and accusations, Michael was/is totally and absolutely the most humiliated person who has ever lived?

When he was alive, there was nothing more humiliating than accusations of child molestations and all the dirty and filthy and unsavoury details and accusations and fake stories in tabloid, and now... Michael is totally and detailed dissected in front of the world and media and people...
Every detail is out there, people around the world can read the most private affairs of a human being...

This is the total humiliation. No dignity.
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Yes, I totally agree with you! It is an extreme invasion of his privacy! :cry:
 
I thought of something last night.... any one of the people who had to work on that autopsy report, may have been a fan. Even if they are older, many of our parents are fans, so it is very possible that one of them could have been. How hard would that have been!!?? How horrific!?? My heart goes out to those people.
 
GinnyJackson said:
Again i ask

Now that you have read the report. Does this change how you feel towards Michael?

My answer. No...
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No it doesn't change how I feel about MJ.

It gives me ammunition, verifiable proof to blast the haters especially those who (some fans) still call MJ an addict, or he bleached his skin because he wanted to be white.... etc. etc.

It makes me incredibly sad :boohoo:

The psychological and emotion trauma he had to endure because of some of his medical issues for so many years :boohoo: I just can't fathom why he had to suffer so much.:no:
 
PrettyYoungThang said:
I thought of something last night.... any one of the people who had to work on that autopsy report, may have been a fan. Even if they are older, many of our parents are fans, so it is very possible that one of them could have been. How hard would that have been!!?? How horrific!?? My heart goes out to those people.
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That would hurt so hard, if that was the case, to dissect and do this to your favorate singer. If that had been me I don't know if i would do this to him. :cry:

But I think that they are used to this though. Because they do this to all dead bodies. And that for a job like this, you have to throw away personal feelings about the person out the window so it would not get to you.
 
SeriousEffect. said:
Big lie in the report. It says he pulled Michael to the floor to do CPR, which Murray himself admitted to performing on the bed.
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When they FINALLY called 911 Murray was adviced to move the patient to the floor. So, perhaps he started doing CPR on the bed and only pulled Michael to the floor after being told to do so. IDK. Whatever he did or didn't do, he effed up big time.
 
The report said the findings were only from preliminary statements and may change after further investigation. We all know now, that from the 911 call he was performing CPR on the bed and not the floor.
 
Experience the magic said:
And then all they can come up with is involuntary manslaughter? Go figure... :doh:
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You know what else? Murray was not acting like he needed to prepare himself in advance for a possible emergency. He (and I am deliberately leaving off the Dr. for doctor because he just does not seem like he is worthy of such a title) didn't even have enough sense to know that he would need a way to continue listening in on MJ should the need to leave the room came up for any possible reason.

Like if he really had to leave MJ for a moment to use the restroom...although the investigators have already caught him in a lie and figured out that he was yapping on the phone for 47 minutes...if he had the proper monitoring equipment that would have started beeping to let him know there was an emergency, combined with something as simple as...as simple as...A BABY MONITOR, he would have been able to respond much faster than he did! Time was of the essence and he had nothing, not even a backup person, to let him know it was time to stop yapping and start acting.

Baby monitors with wide range listening capabilities can be purchased for less than $20. Stores like Target carry them. They have a long list of them for people to choose from and here is Murray, a cardiologist caring for a patient in a home setting, acting like he doesn't need to hear what's going on in the room of a patient that he's knocked out with potent stuff that shouldn't even be there! And what kind of a cardiologist puts closely monitoring a patient at the bottom of their list of things to do?

Look at this. Target has so many baby monitors to choose from that they even have some with audio and video capabilities. Audio AND video!

http://www.target.com/b/184-4625446...ID=googlestr&CPNG=baby&LNM=baby_monitors&LID=

Now, either Murray was paid by someone to do away with MJ, or Murray is hell of incompetent and really thought he could put someone under with some potent stuff like Propofol without anything going terribly wrong. Thank God the Medical Board can see that he does not belong in the medical field, be glad he is now in front of a judge and pray for justice for MJ.

And about that voice mail message that he left for that other patient. Not only was it a HIPAA violation, but he wasn't even supposed to have any other patients in his care at that time, because he had made an agreement at the price of $100,000+ per month to only care for Michael. What ever happened to what Murray supposedly told his other patients via that June 15th letter? Did that suddenly go out of the window? I thought he told his other patients that he wasn't going to be available to them indefinitely.

Murray's got some serious explaining to do! He failed at monitoring MJ. He didn't have the proper resuscitation equipment with him. He performed CPR like he was making up rules as he went along. He failed at getting additional help in a timely manner. And then it also looks like he tried to cover up everything too!
 
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mjjfan4ever said:
No it doesn't change how I feel about MJ.

It gives me ammunition, verifiable proof to blast the haters especially those who (some fans) still call MJ an addict, or he bleached his skin because he wanted to be white.... etc. etc.

It makes me incredibly sad :boohoo:

The psychological and emotion trauma he had to endure because of some of his medical issues for so many years :boohoo: I just can't fathom why he had to suffer so much.:no:
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:no: I wish it could be possible to take all that pain and suffering away from him. Such a kind soul did not deserve it, in fact nobody does.
 
Laura.L. said:
When they FINALLY called 911 Murray was adviced to move the patient to the floor. So, perhaps he started doing CPR on the bed and only pulled Michael to the floor after being told to do so. IDK. Whatever he did or didn't do, he effed up big time.
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for the 5 minutes, right :(
 
I have thought about it and I am still not going to read it. I don't want to. The details I have seen here is enough. I know Michael was healthy for his age and he had a lot to deal with emotionally not just physically. How I feel about Michael will never change. I love and miss him and always will. I want to remember how he was when he was alive and happy.
 
I agree about the invasion of privacy thing. I mean, let me put it this way, not to be inappropriate... but did the entire world need to know that MJ was uncircumcised? :no:
 
Travis said:
I agree about the invasion of privacy thing. I mean, let me put it this way, not to be inappropriate... but did the entire world need to know that MJ was uncircumcised? :no:
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I think they should have hidden some parts for sure..... At least this one.
This is a MAJOR invasion and I didn't need to read that, it made me feel so uncomfortable... :no:

 
I've not read the whole report, got through the first few pages and I felt guilty and disturbed.

One thing that has just really bugged me is TMZ-more tabloid-ishh from them. They've dragged that ridiculous Klein story again about MJ peeing. WTF? Well now they commented on the urine in the bottle found on the chair. They've clearly read the coroner's report but are now making fun of MJ again and have totally missed the point that Michael had an external catheter on that night and the urine would have come from that. Also, Michael had urinary retention from some kind of prostate issue according to the report.
 
Travis said:
I agree about the invasion of privacy thing. I mean, let me put it this way, not to be inappropriate... but did the entire world need to know that MJ was uncircumcised? :no:
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Limonali said:
I think they should have hidden some parts for sure..... At least this one.
This is a MAJOR invasion and I didn't need to read that, it made me feel so uncomfortable... :no:
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^^^
that info is already known. during 1993 allegations when they took the pictures it was mentioned as a discrepancy.
 
*Billie Jean* said:
Part of me wants to read it, the other part says heck no. I'm crying just *thinking* about reading it and browsing some of your responses. :weeping:
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I don't think you should read it. I think it would upset you a lot. I think you will hear about all of the important information from others. There is no reason to force yourself to do something that will upset you so much.
 
daisydaisy said:
I've not read the whole report, got through the first few pages and I felt guilty and disturbed.

One thing that has just really bugged me is TMZ-more tabloid-ishh from them. They've dragged that ridiculous Klein story again about MJ peeing. WTF? Well now they commented on the urine in the bottle found on the chair. They've clearly read the coroner's report but are now making fun of MJ again and have totally missed the point that Michael had an external catheter on that night and the urine would have come from that. Also, Michael had urinary retention from some kind of prostate issue according to the report.
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I know! What dumb asses at TMZ.
 
daisydaisy said:
I've not read the whole report, got through the first few pages and I felt guilty and disturbed.

One thing that has just really bugged me is TMZ-more tabloid-ishh from them. They've dragged that ridiculous Klein story again about MJ peeing. WTF? Well now they commented on the urine in the bottle found on the chair. They've clearly read the coroner's report but are now making fun of MJ again and have totally missed the point that Michael had an external catheter on that night and the urine would have come from that. Also, Michael had urinary retention from some kind of prostate issue according to the report.
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Yeah I really am disturbed by TMZ doing that.... I mean... anyone who reads the report realizes exactly what you just stated but they know people won't read a 51 page report so they do crap like that.... :doh:

If you can't read it... it's okay. There's a lot of info in this thread so you don't have to. Don't make yourself yeah? :hug: Hell, I'm getting ready to go to school for paramedic and have no issues reading things like this and I found it really hard to read - because it was MJ.

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Travis said:
I agree about the invasion of privacy thing. I mean, let me put it this way, not to be inappropriate... but did the entire world need to know that MJ was uncircumcised? :no:
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I agree..the world did not need to know this...poor Michael he was such a private person and now the world has invaded him..:cry:...so so sad..:(
 
ivy said:
btw a side note - do you think the 136 lbs puts rest to "he was too thin" argument. when you look the 2003 booking info of MJ it lists his weight as 120.
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I think he was probably too thin, but I don't think it was affecting his health. 136 is thin for a 50 year old man of Michael's height but most 50 year old men aren't dancers. 120 is really thin. I have seen Michael at around that weight when he was much younger and he was definitely too thin. But it wasn't as noticable then because when you are young, your face doesn't get thin like when you are older. Anyway, long story short, I think people will continue to believe what they want to believe.
 
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