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yeah... it's the cold hard facts... sometimes making this world a cold hard world I guess.
I can see that... I do everyday... then again I love my world understanding, warm and loving. Hope you can forgive me.
 
This thread is going down the wrong path here..first people saying that Murray is not to blame if others commit suicide...that is a inhuman ting to say right now...also..all those who are Murray supports should just get the hell off the board....like the rest of you I am in no mood today for anymore bullshit from these people.....I feel empty and devastated inside and the last thing we need today is people like you here...But I think you get a kick out of rubbing salt in the wound...so be it because were there are few of YOU there are MANY of US.
 
I am not gonna be popular for this but I gotta tell the truth as I see it...

I don't sympathize for Murray AT ALL. He killed Michael Jackson. I do have sympathy for those who ended their lives. It's very very sad and I wish I could change the fact. However, I don't think that Murray is responsible for those suicides. Might as well try to blame the deaths on MJ himself for dying. Either way it really doesn't make sense and is irresponsible. We are all responsible for our own actions. It's tragic, but true nonetheless.
 
ensleyave said:
The thread will close soon . Wonder why. Maybe because of the non-empathetic people on here about some fans committing suicide.

Of course you wouldn't feel pity for them but you certainly have room to feel pity for Murray.WOW
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I was going to open another one in the IU, but I don't have the time now to read the whole report, so maybe someone can do that.

Why on earth did this thread derail? Cold hard facts, this is what we sholud be discussing in here. FACTS from the autopsy report.

Anyone?
 
Mechi said:
I know what you mean as I'm in my professional field also forced to keep myself distant and on a proffesional level.

But as a fan and a loving human being and the person who is me I can not feel that.

Michael Jackson was Michael Jackson, not just a someone, he truely has a legacy nobody will ever be able to touch.
He was able to heal the world to a good degree for us his fans and we are many... and if he did that right, then I do believe we will continue doing that... but Michael Jackson was more than I... and geeeez I have already some meaning to many... but Michael was more... and he knew... he suffered for it but he wanted it no other way because he knew... and I hope fans at least know also.
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Oh, I feel terrible about Michael and cry often believe it or not. I just don't feel it should take weight in the case if you understand my meaning.

Its like this. At work when there is an emergency situation I have to do my job. I can't stand around thinking "Gee...is this guy worth saving....are they nice people.....do they have kids....." Its black and white for me there.

Same with Murray as I see it. He was hired to do a job and he didn't do it properly.

I won't pick on his character here (I would be banned for saying what I think of his personal life with his women friends). I won't comment on the suicides of fans because to me that is also putting 'feelings' into the situation.
 
yeah we got a bit of topic... it was ME I think... think Murray was compared to a criminal stealing a lot of money and that's how the lives of several families got ruined... made me think of those families suffering a loss of a family member who committed suicide cuz of Michaels suddenly killing. Made me compare the loss those families suffered, our loss... see it's tremendously I think, so much more than any amount of money could really describe... but yeah I know it's money what counts in this world... although to me it honestly doesn't that much, I just take care I have enough but ok I apologize... back on topic.
 
Mechi said:
yeah... it's the cold hard facts... sometimes making this world a cold hard world I guess.
I can see that... I do everyday... then again I love my world understanding, warm and loving. Hope you can forgive me.
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I am in this thread to read about facts and discuss facts.
There's no other reason I would put myself through this TERRIBLE process of reading this document and now - reading this thread - other than trying to understand better.

However, we all are extremely emotional now and those emotions are completely normal. I am usually also trying to fill my world with warmth so sometimes I am running away from cold facts too. Just my nature. If you need Mechi, pm me, we are here for emotional support too, just probably outside of this specific thread :hug:
 
Mechi said:
yeah... it's the cold hard facts... sometimes making this world a cold hard world I guess.
I can see that... I do everyday... then again I love my world understanding, warm and loving. Hope you can forgive me.
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Oh no, warm and loving is wonderful and thats how I feel towards Michael and now, his children. :wub:
 
Popescu said:
I was going to open another one in the IU, but I don't have the time now to read the whole report, so maybe someone can do that.

Why on earth did this thread derail? Cold hard facts, this is what we sholud be discussing in here. FACTS from the autopsy report.

Anyone?
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it got derailed just like every other thread gets derailed when those WHO think they know everything now NOTHING in all reality and are only here to defend Murray and all his glory....so my friend that is what happened to this very importance thread...and it IS important;
 
Mechi said:
yeah we got a bit of topic... think Murray was compared to a criminal stealing a lot of money and that's how the lives of several families got ruined... made me think of those families suffering a loss of a family member who committed suicide cuz of Michaels suddenly killing. Made me compare the loss those families suffered, our loss... see it's tremendously I think, so much more than any amount of money could really describe... but yeah I know it's money what counts in this world... although to me it honestly doesn't that much, I just take care I have enough but ok I apologize... back on topic.
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I know Mechi, I'm in pain too, and I'm sending you LOTS of love!
But this is not the place, let's just discuss the findings and what the report tells us.

For example, I browsed though it, looking for the analysis of the brain and the hair (tox report, but one that spreads over time, it's important in Murray's defense), and I got nothing. Didn't they keep the brain for a long time to determine just that?
 
You go through life wishing you would never live to see the day reading something as fucked up as this. Once it comes, you have no idea how to react or respond.... LIFE IS FUCKED
 
elusive moonwalker said:
ah right thanks so the infusion eq is that actual iv etc.
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yes, that's right...all the equipment needed to run an IV....but he forgot the most important thing...the pump....it's complete malpractice is what it is....a CARDIOLOGIST of all things.....it's absolutely mind-boggling...I'm a nurse, and we can't even run potassium without an IV pump...let alone a powerful anesthetic...
 
very hard to read-want to cry and feel physically sick after reading that-but I feel I personally had to know the truth.
I love you so much Michael.
As another poster said - it's nice to see the fact he had Vitiligo finally offically acknowledged-just heartbreaking it had to be in his autopsy.
 
Arklove said:
yes, that's right...all the equipment needed to run an IV....but he forgot the most important thing...the pump....it's complete malpractice is what it is....a CARDIOLOGIST of all things.....it's absolutely mind-boggling...I'm a nurse, and we can't even run potassium without an IV pump...let alone a powerful anesthetic...
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thanks
 
I just skimmed through that, so very hard to see. So surreal. :cry:
Now I am feeling guilty for looking at that, It's very private and very personal and it's out there for the world to see. Even in death the man can't have his privacy.
Sorry Michael, I did read some. I felt I had to see this for myself.

I love and miss you. :(
 
wendy2004 said:
And to go back to the drug list....if you look at some of the meds that were in pill form, some were issued as early as Dec. 2008 and April 2009 by Murray and Metzger yet by the time of June 25th came around, Michael STILL hadn't finished a supply of 30 pills which he was directed to take "as needed". Look at the diazepam in tablet form and how often Michael was to take it. It was issued on 6/20, yet by 6/25 only 3 pills had been used. To me, that indicates Michael wasn't necessarily taking these meds everyday...or rather, he didn't feel a need to take them everyday or more than once a day as a true addict/prescription abuser would have. It also may indicate that at some point the meds no longer worked for him so he simply stopped taking them.

Translation: Doesn't look like he was popping these pills like skittles just becuz he could. Murray's defense is on thin ice if he tries to go the "MJ was an out-of-control addict" route with a jury...IMO.

Going to be now. :(

RIP Michael.
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It was so difficult to read! :cry:
I'm kind of glad I didn't understand everything...

However, I did understand this much: Michael should be alive and well today. And there is a reason why that isn't the case, and that person behind it is well-known here.

After all the years of being Michael's fan and wanting to know as much as I could about him, to feel closer to him...this is the point where I do realize I've learned too much and too detailed information... Gosh, I didn't need to know how much his heart weighed because I already knew he had a big heart...:teary_eyed:
 
januska said:
After all the years of being Michael's fan and wanting to know as much as I could about him, to feel closer to him...this is the point where I do realize I've learned too much and too detailed information... Gosh, I didn't need to know how much his heart weighed because I already knew he had a big heart...:teary_eyed:
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I had to quote. Those words are true.. and beautiful :teary_eyed:
 
Beachlover -Propofol can give a wonderful sleep as has been proven.
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Not according to the anaesthesia expert in the coroners report. The report has NO! in massive letters and underlined.

Murray should not have injected Michael with that stuff.

Murray needs to go down for more than 4 years.
 
Does anyone if there's any reason for ephedrine to be present in the urine sample they found?

I understand that ephedrine could have been used to reverse the hypotension effect of the propofol, however it makes no sense for it to be present on the urine found at the house, does it?

EDIT: NVM I just read the list of drugs found at the second scene visit and ephedrine is listed in form of pills, the same pills contained caffeine and spiring... meaning = apetite suppresant.
 
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daphnieas said:
Does anyone if there's any reason for ephedrine to be present in the urine sample they found?

I understand that ephedrine could have been used to reverse the hypotension effect of the propofol, however it makes no sense for it to be present on the urine found at the house, does it?
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It is listed on a bottle of asprin/epedrine/caffeine tablet that is not prescribed by any doctor and was found at the scene. Other than that, can't answer that question.
 
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