Cinnamon234;4239177 said:
This is so depressing. I'm so worried that when this mockumentary comes out on HBO that it will be as bad as the R. Kelly backlash, if not worse.
This documentary seems to be worse than I imagined.
People who've seen it seem very convinced that MJ was guilty.
I'm so upset.
I really hope the estate has something to counteract this.
Please stop being dramatic It helps no one and just creates unnecessary panic. We are actively searching for news and active against it so it seems to us that it's EVERYWHERE, but it's not. This too will pass and die down. We just have to keep fighting with facts and keep the faith and wat for the storm to pass. As I said earlier, people will have their opinions and some already made up their minds years ago. You can't sway them. But a lot of people are "keyboard warrors" who just care about being "outraged" all the time and say stuff on social media but can't be bothered to do anything else. And once the next scandal hits, they will focus on that. Look how few mentions Weinstein anymore and that thing was all over the media. This too shall pass. Just keep listening to Michael's music, keep talking about him like you used to and keep posting postive things about hii like you used to and keep telliing people you're a fan like you used to. And if someone mentions the allegations, just brush it off with "Ah, that's all bs. Anything for money, right?!". Share facts if you have to but don't go "He's innocent, I know because I love him!" and don't say "I'm so scared and worried!" That just feeds the haters if they can see they can get to you. If people see that we don't buy the bullshit and won't stop supporting Michael based on lies and hearsay and all this crap, they will let it go.
SIDEWALKS;4239200 said:
I find the comments below made by Wade Robson on his blog very interesting.
"I was absolutely obsessed with Michael Jackson. When I was five years old, I won a dance contest and the prize was to meet him. This encounter only exacerbated my idolization."
Does this not contradic Robson the accusations that MJJ Productions was finding "young children" for Michael Jackson?
Wade Robson is clearly well aware that it was a dance competition that he won that led him to Michael Jackson.
"My dance life began to take off and being that my Mother was also my chaperone, manager, and driver, most of my time was spent with her. Dad seemed to be slowly moving into the background of my life."
"Dad seemingly floating further and further into the background of my life. I was so focused on Michael that I noticed Dad less and less."
"I found out that the idea that I may have been sexually abused by Michael Jackson caused Dad a lot of anxiety, guilt and depression over the years."
"I was faced with guilt, shame and sadness due to how I pulled away from him over the years, how I called Michael “Dad,” how I was too busy to talk so many times, and how I couldnʻt seem to bring myself to care enough to try and understand him while he was alive. Now that I was a Father myself, I wept numerous times, as I could now imagine how he felt as his little boy, little girl and the woman he loved walked out the door and moved to the other side of the world. "
It's clear that Wade Robson regrets not having a strong relationship with his father and blames the relationship with Michael as the cause for this.
Is this enough of a motive to destroy everything about his past in relation to Michael by seeing him as a child abuser?
Is he channelling all his guilt and regret onto Michael so he doesn't feel the blame for the failed relationship between him and his father?
“There is nothing you have to do.” These words became a mantra and played an instrumental role in my having the courage to redesign my life."
"redesign my life"
Again, is he trying to 'redesign' his past by destroying his memories of Michael and his reputation thus destroying anything to do with him, is this the only way he can accept what happened to his father?
Wade's father killed himself in 2002.
He's trying to shift the blame on Michael so he himself doesn't have to take any blame for failing to be a succesful director or a son who would have cared for his own dad. He has a lot of guilty feelings and feelings of failure in him and he is trying to take out all the self hate on Michael. I guess in his minid, if MJ is made responsible, he won't have to be. And if anyone doubts his skills as a director or sees him as someone in the business that can't handle the pressure, they won't hire him. But now he can just say "Oh no....I didn't fail because there was something wrong with ME or necause I FAILED....it was all because of what MICHAEL did to me. THAT'S why II failed and couldn't take the pressure and direct the film!" That way he gets away with it as the "winner" and as the "victim". It's really sick and twisted.
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4239201 said:
A 100% rating? That's really bad yeah, what the hell man.
As for Oprah. I wouldn't dare to call her MJ's friend, but she did interview Lisa Marie and I believe she denied any of those allegations. Oprah is no dumb person, she has seen how the media was towards MJ during the trial, she has seen how he was fully acquitted. I would hope she does or has does some research and that she sees this doc for what it is. Extremely one-sided and zero actual evidence.
I would hope so, but at the same time I don't trust this woman one bit. My friend says he has always felt there is a very different side to her, a two face. I have had that feeling too.
If all these people that saw it, reviewed it with ridiculous ratings only truly knew about the two subjects. I really feel sorry for these people that they are so damn easy to convince of something with so very little, nothing basically. Before this airs on TV I really hope a lot of people have seen the facts thanks to videos and sites, but j doubt it.
Question.
Can this thing become a trial, even when MJ is no more around us? Can they cross examine this doc, the two accusers and show how full of lies, contradictions and holes it is to the judge or even jury? Yesterday I spoke to my friend about this and he said he'd love to see headlines on newspapers and sites saying W&S are proven liars, arrested, going to jail.
That is my wish too, but could such a thing ever happen? Best possible thing that can happen is that it's thrown out or that the estate wins and hopefully we can count on the media to actual report that fact, sigh. Of course if Dan is gonna bring a third, we can expect to be reading tons of trash until the trial has ended.
Oprah has been known to flip flop. What ever is the "popular" opinion at the moment. When MJ was hot, she was all buddy buddy with him, during the allegations or the trial, she was almost anti-MJ from what I can remember. When he died, she was again pro-MJ. Considering she is letting Gayle bash Michael and spread the garbage, says a lot. Ii still truly hope though that she will be better than that and not jump on the slander train. I hope she'd stay out of it completely.
As for the trial...my god, I'm almost hoping they could take Wade and James and Dan to court! That way they woudlhave to reveal all their "sources" and they'd have to back up their claims with proof. Wade would have to tell which version is true and why he lied under oath. Twice. And I hpe they could get T Mez again! He'd destroy them in court.
8701girl;4239209 said:
the estate need to come in like ASAP
Give them time. If they do something too quickly and without being organized it could be it has no effect an dwould harm their chances of getting proper justice the next time. Better to take your time and collect all facst and do research and then strike. Besides, let Wade and James and Dan talk....the mor ethey talk, the more they say things the Estate can use to prove they're lying.
StaceyMJ;4239247 said:
On reflection I decided to clean the thread of posts that were not appropriate for this thread or forum other than in the trials and tribulations section if these things really must be questioned. I'm sorry for the delay in this, I know quite a number of you were upset by JCO8's postings for good reason but I'm sure you'll understand it's been quite a task to sift through this thread and weed it all out. You will see reference to these posts here and there where members have replied but I kept these in being as I didn't want to remove any information that is important to remain for the purpose of this thread. If any of you have lost posts in the crossfire (there was only 1 or 2 I think) I apologise but this has been done merely for the continuity of the thread.
Keep it up guys, you're all doing great things here. And hello to all the new members, I see you all and I'm approving your posts as soon as I see them so thanks again for your patience. Some great contributions from you and I really hope you'll stick around!
Lastly, I just want to say, I'm keeping up with the thread as much as possible and I'm making sure I read all replies, if any of you see anything questionable or that you think is inappropriate then please press the report button as it's easier and quicker for me and the other staff to deal with sooner rather than later.
Thanks everyone.
Thanks so much to all the hard working mods and administrators!! Really appreciate you guys!! <3
moonchinking;4239248 said:
To be fair though on Piers, that question needs to be asked and it needs to have a good answer, because that's what everybody always automatically brings up. Just as we saw with Lorraine just nodding her head as if it proves he was guilty. Alt least Piers actually had Jermaine on to interview so he could answer questions, Lorraine's show they were just spurting out their own opinions as facts with nobody even there to challenge what they're saying.
I thought Pier didn't do a very good job. He could have presented it all in a way different way. Right now he was just making accusations. I didn't like t. But at least they let Jermaine speak. Jermaine did a good job. I feel so sorry for teh whole Jackson family that they need to go through all this crap.
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4239258 said:
Once the fans watch the mockumentary I bet a lot if not everything can be debunked. Maybe not all, because how are we gonna prove fabricated lies/stories by the two wrong?
Is anyone planning on watching it when it airs on channel 4? I don't have that channel, hell I don't even have cable or digital TV anyway. Seems so far it'll be channel 4 and HBO that will air it. Although it wouldn't surprise me if Dutch TV finds a way to air it as well.
I really hope that NO ONE tunes in when they show it! DO NOT GIVE THM RATINGS!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe someone could recrd t and then share it here? Or would that not be possible because of copyright? But whatever you do......DO NOT TUNE IN!!!!
Smooth72;4239264 said:
One last thing and I will stop. I can think of 700million reasons why they may not do anything and that is the scary part. Are the willing to sacrifice MJ for that? They already sold the f$$cking catalogue.
Give them time. The worst thing they could do would be to do things in a hurry and half assed. And if there are any copyright stuff in the mockumentary, once it airs, they can strike and sue.
terrell;4239275 said:
The Saturday the next day after the doc was at the Sundance. 103.9 on the national did a dedication to Michael and his family and played all their music.
That's awesome! <3
terrell;4239282 said:
If a woman who LIED on getting Emmitt Til killed can finally admit she lied. Jordan can as well. I just have a feeling he will admit he lied because he can not sit back and allow this crap to go on any longer. Look, he got the settlement and even he did not want none of this @#$% doc in this climate of the metoo. Jordan man, do the right thing and clear MJ's name.
I wish he'd come forward too and finally say nothing happened. He himself could finally live in peace too. But I'm pretty sure that he'd have to give all the money back then. And his mom would probably go to jail for extortion or for perjury or something? I'm not sure? I can't remember what she said and how involved she was?
Bink;4239288 said:
I have often wondered if it's fear of being made to repay that money is preventing him coming forward. If that is the case then I am sure the estate / family could see the benefit of giving him an amnesty in return for appearing in Taj's documentary for example.
Yeah, they could sign a deal and say they won't take legal action against him and he can keep the money. Jordy would finally get his peace too, especcially if he explained that his dad made him do it.
terrell;4239293 said:
No, what we are doing are working. Again, MOST people hope MJ did not abuse no kid; when you show evidence, footage, and talk about how these guys defended MJ, MOST good thinking people aint buying it. Do not mistake a few comments online (and remember some people are online just to start drama).
Yeah, if they see that people are defending MJ and won't take all this crap, they will take note. One way or the other. Maybe not immediately, but they will. Keep mentioning how sick you are of tabloid media and them spreading lies as facts.
mano;4239307 said:
This is very serious now, and we HAVE to do something big to stop this madness. Even all entertainment programs are questioning if michaels legacy will ever be the same, most of them said they won’t listen to his music anymore.
Calm down. No need to spread panic. Keep sending them facts and and correcting them. If you see you're going no where, tell them you will stop watching them-and then REALLY DO IT. Dn't give them views and clicks! That's where it hurts them the most. If you see something positive, click that and say thank you. "You gotta accentuate the positive, eliminate all the negative."
SmoothGangsta;4239333 said:
Honestly all we can do is educate people on the facts. That's all we can do and we'll know we've done all we can. It is up to the estate now and if they do nothing then they have themselves to blame.
Exactly. And we can stop clicking on negative articles. Don't give them clicks. Don't waste your time on them and the people wh read those type of rags. Consentrate your energy on those who are more likely to listen and be reasonable.
Spike J;4239384 said:
Guys I was thinking something today.
The Estate should ask for some of michaels friends supporters and specially those who were kids and spent time with him to a guided revisit to neverland. shoot them visiting neverland and discussing these claims and debating their time with MJ, if Lisa Marie and Mcauley are featured even better. Ever since I heard that mjs sacred ground was 'a giant bed for molestation' I wish more and more the people see MJ real essence from those who shared moments there w him. Mix that footage with his home videos. Its been 10 years since he passed and The estate can easily pull this off and drop on netflix. It would make a great rebuttal and a great tribute
travis3000;4239387 said:
Seriously? In Canada it hasn't even been mentioned at all, you basically have to read through the Twitter feed of random people to even know this is going on.
I asked my niece if she has seen or heard anything about MJ on the news or social media. She said "You mean the bullshit tabloid story about Michael supposedly having beat Bubbles? I saw a tiny mention about that somewhere...." I had to laugh. First, because it was hilarious the Bubbles story made the news. And second because my niece (who is also a HUGE MJ fan) seemed genuinly confused about what I even mean and why I was asking her that. LOL! I was glad that the general MJ bashing hasn't spread everywhere and not everyone even cares about the mockumentary enough to write about it. They care about poor Bubbles though. LOL!
ManBehindTheMirror - Girl;4239429 said:
Oh I intensly hope that this will all backfire on the media and they all lose so much reader, follower and suppporter as possible!
I stoped supporting and bying them all after Lady Dis death!
Yeah I'm not giving them clicks to readtheir crap. That's exactly what they want. I just omit any article with a negative title and click on those that are pro-MJ to give them clicks.
moonchinking;4239430 said:
If Michael were still alive, putting aside whether or not these accusations would have even come outif he were, would Wade have been able to even press charges, despite him having already testified in court nothing happened? Could we have seen another criminal trial? What about Safechuck's case?
They could have. But they would have needed iron clad PROOF to even have a chance. They coudl never have done this mockumentary though or specifically...they would have never been able to air it and get away with it, because MJ could have immediately sue them for MILLIONS for defamation and WIN.
ManBehindTheMirror - Girl;4239432 said:
Wade is a big fan of Michael and he still loves him somewhere like most of his fans do.
He had a strong bound with him build over many years
what is a difference between him chandler and aviso.
MJ really was his friend.
He whould not be able to do this to MJ when he whould be still alive. I am absolutly sure.
But the love for money and sucess gets much stronger over the years then the love for his dead friend he can't hurt anymore.
It whould be so great when they found pictures of Wade crying on MJs furnaral!!!
Maybe somone can tell Taj he should look after this.
Of course he would have never done this when MJ was alive. He was milking his friendship with MJ in every turn he was able to. He had no problems saying he's friends with MJ when MJ was still alive. That's why he keeps repeating "Michael's dead." he's trying to reason with his own consciense to make it okay to stab his own FRIEND in the back in such a horrible and cruel way. Besides, he would have needed to tell the truth under oath.
myosotis;4239439 said:
So that fans can go and comment to the authors with videos, Forbes article etc. (if they wish). There are plenty of people commenting 'anti-MJ' agreement on these writers' accounts / newspaper accounts. Some fans do like to counter them, but I appreciate that not all wish to, and certainly not all the time.
(It IS exhausting and demoralising dealing with daily stupidity! Sadly Michael and his family had / have no choice.
Edited to add: Also, I think it's helpful for fans to see how uninformed / prejudiced these articles are, and that writers' opinions are NOT based on truth
I stopped commenting on the negative articles. Ii won't give them clicks and ratings and attention and quite frankly, I'm tired if it already. It's starting to get old. I concentrate on the positive articles now. The ones that are pro MJ and the ones that talk about facts. Leave the negative ones alone and don't support them with clicks. The mmor ewe all click them, the more they will write about it. If they can see people aren't interested, they will write about something else.
elusive moonwalker;4239445 said:
I just dont think its healthly surrounding yourself in negative articles and tweets.if ppl want to comment on articles of course thats a good thing to defend mj so maybe just post the link and not the full article but Sometimes you just need to step away from the screen once in a while or you will drive yourself mad and be consumed by it and you will make it seem 100 x bigger than it is.
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4239446 said:
I know we're talking about the media here but I honestly hoped a little after his acquittal and his death that at least a few media outlets would be more objective. HOW, how do they keep going for the same bullshit tricks? It takes a few seconds of a Google search to find out that the description of the private parts was anything but accurate.
This is shit I would expect from The Sun, but The Guardian who apparently isn't a tabloid.... how? Seriously there should be more laws that forbid this. Let these goddamn journalists stop with blatant lies, proven lies and report on actual facts. Because there are readers that eat this up.
terrell;4239456 said:
If MJ was alive, these idiots would never have done this. These fools would still be praising MJ. MJ died thinking these liars were his friends.
terrell;4239461 said:
I think Gayle goes where the wind blows in her views. I hope oprah don't. At Quincy celebration on BET, Oprah was dancing and singing to MJ's song Neyo sung and everyone got on their feet when they talked about MJ working with Q.
dam2040;4239502 said:
My mass media consumption is at an all time low. No click through no ad revenue nothing being made from me
Suggest others do same only way to hurt them is by pockets
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4239591 said:
The response against The Sun? The usual thing, they aren't exactly what you'd call top quality news reporting, it's nothing new. Honestly we shouldn't even bother anymore with The Sun. They have proven themselves to be the lowest of scum you can imagine and we shouldn't expect anything good from them. They fabricate stories on the fly.
Who even reads the Sun anymore?? Seriously, don't give them or Daily Mail, etc clicks. Don't read their articles, don't support them with clicks and ratings. The peope who go there to read dont care about the truth. That's why they read them.
