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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

It's "Back To The Future"! It's 1993 all over again. Marty at least was able to help his family, to right the wrongs of what happened in 1955.

All I think of right now is June Chandler. How she wasn't content being a millionaire's wife, she wanted to be a multi-millionaire's wife and that's where Michael Jackson comes into play. When June flew on Michael's private jet, she would hit the shopping circuit on Michael's generous dime. There's no way Dave Schwartz could have afforded all those extravagant shopping sprees. Since Dave was too busy with his own business, Rent A Wreck and wanting it to be an international business, June must've been a lonely housewife, looking to upgrade on husband's. June is like one of those mail order brides dumb wealthier white guy's marry. I think Suzy's got Michael's number. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_NntYhzV4

Jimmy and Wade are the new June and Evan Chandler 'anything, anything, anything for money'.
 
AliCat;4239469 said:
It's "Back To The Future"! It's 1993 all over again. Marty at least was able to help his family, to right the wrongs of what happened in 1955.

All I think of right now is June Chandler. How she wasn't content being a millionaire's wife, she wanted to be a multi-millionaire's wife and that's where Michael Jackson comes into play. When June flew on Michael's private jet, she would hit the shopping circuit on Michael's generous dime. There's no way Dave Schwartz could have afforded all those extravagant shopping sprees. Since Dave was too busy with his own business, Rent A Wreck and wanting it to be an international business, June must've been a lonely housewife, looking to upgrade on husband's. June is like one of those mail order brides dumb wealthier white guy's marry. I think Suzy's got Michael's number. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3_NntYhzV4

Jimmy and Wade are the new June and Evan Chandler 'anything, anything, anything for money'.
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And like media people care about Jordan Chandler as a person. When he got a testraining order against Evan for assualt which could have caused severe bodily hard or death in 2006 he wasn’t that interesting.
 
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terrell said:
That lie. First, if the picture would have matched, that ALONE could have been used even if Jordan would not want to testify (Also, that could have been used for grand jury which who threw the case out -which is rarly done since grand juries are DA tools to use). The STATE would still prosecute the case. Second, MJ was NOT circumcised which is Documented in MJ's death report as well. This is clear Jordan did NOT see MJ but he was given to say that since most men especially Jewish men, are circumcise. Someone needs to email this dumb paper with the facts.
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Exactly. I did tweet this out Taj Jackson and a bunch of other pro-jackson activists.

The independent should be sued for having complete made up damning evidence for 10 years soon to be. Lord knows how many foreign papers that have copied and translated these lies and helped further defame an already framed innocent man.

This lie along with the "neverland kiddie porn myth" + the "the hidden secret room" has cemented Jacksons guilt among general people.

Michaels word have become reality: "If you hear a lie often enough, you believe it."

These lies have been in the media so long that they now are established as fact - no turning back from there either!
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I do think The Estate should have sued this paper 10 years ago, surely they should have won in court with such obvious lies on the table? I call on the estate because they have the funds to do it!
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

terrell said:
That lie. First, if the picture would have matched, that ALONE could have been used even if Jordan would not want to testify (Also, that could have been used for grand jury which who threw the case out -which is rarly done since grand juries are DA tools to use). The STATE would still prosecute the case. Second, MJ was NOT circumcised which is Documented in MJ's death report as well. This is clear Jordan did NOT see MJ but he was given to say that since most men especially Jewish men, are circumcise. Someone needs to email this dumb paper with the facts.
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Btw. Do we have any reliable sources to prove this except from the autopsy? I have a journalist here in sweden that wants to write an article on this, and I only know its in the autopsy (which I read many years ago)
 
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Lightbringer said:
Btw. Do we have any reliable sources to prove this except from the autopsy? I have a journalist here in sweden that wants to write an article on this, and I only know its in the autopsy (which I read many years ago)
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Pull up his autopsy report. I am at work now on break not at my computer at home. The report should be on here in the archives as well.
 
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Yeah it's unbelievable that these pathetic excuses for journalists keep repeating the same lies over and over again. Like someone on previous page said, if the description had been correct the two grand juries would not have thrown it out. Such evidence is damning as hell.

Honestly I've given up trying to let the readers of these pathetic sites/papers see the light, the actual truth, the actual facts. It's ****ing 2019 now and we're still coping with these ridiculous lies, they just don't want to learn the truth and the media doesn't give a flying shit about it either.

Social media and YouTube is where it's at.
 
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This will sound strange but the key to Michael's penis is with dr Richard Strick, he and arnold Klein were the only two doctors there during the photographing of Michael in 1993.

He is still a practicing dr btw! Just to brain storm.... hmmmm.

Hes discussed how Jordan's descripton didnt match, confirmed both vitiligo and lupus, and stated that he had skin damage to his nose from lupus which is largely why there was work done on it.
 
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Lightbringer said:
Btw. Do we have any reliable sources to prove this except from the autopsy? I have a journalist here in sweden that wants to write an article on this, and I only know its in the autopsy (which I read many years ago)
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It is in the autopsy report atleast. If a journalist were to really investigate I think he/she should also talk to Gary Dunlap who in the DA election 2006 said Tom Sneddon had a history of malisious prosecution and the Michael Jackson case was just the most famous one of many such cases which should normally never have gode to trial. https://www.independent.com/news/2006/jun/08/the-people-have-spoken/
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Lightbringer said:
Exactly. I did tweet this out Taj Jackson and a bunch of other pro-jackson activists.

The independent should be sued for having complete made up damning evidence for 10 years soon to be. Lord knows how many foreign papers that have copied and translated these lies and helped further defame an already framed innocent man.

This lie along with the "neverland kiddie porn myth" + the "the hidden secret room" has cemented Jacksons guilt among general people.

Michaels word have become reality: "If you hear a lie often enough, you believe it."

These lies have been in the media so long that they now are established as fact - no turning back from there either!
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I do think The Estate should have sued this paper 10 years ago, surely they should have won in court with such obvious lies on the table? I call on the estate because they have the funds to do it!
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ANd see, this is where his family needs to speak on when asked about Jordan. See, Jordan description and MJ's autopsy can not de disputed that was said by Jordan and that MJ's was NOT circumcised. I know they hate to talk such private about MJ but that is what they have to do to knock Jordan out with his lies.
 
terrell;4239475 said:
Pull up his autopsy report. I am at work now on break not at my computer at home. The report should be on here in the archives as well.
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Yeah its on page 18 in the autopsy I believe.

What about this information? Is everything there correct? Its a long read and very detailed.

Did Jordan Chandler’s description of Michael Jackson’s penis match the photographs taken of the star’s genitalia by the police?

https://themichaeljacksonallegation...s-taken-of-the-stars-genitalia-by-the-police/
 
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terrell said:
First, if the picture would have matched, that ALONE could have been used even if Jordan would not want to testify
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This. Even if someone's not sure about the facts, at least could think a bit and use logic about all these tabloid sourced stories: "the description matched" "they found child porn" - OK, but why not charges then?

Same with the settlement: people really don't understand the difference between civil and criminal proceedings to the point they believe one can buy out his way from criminal prosecution? There wouldn't be any rich person in jail then (and it certainly wouldn't be a democracy). And even if someone's not familiar with the circumstances that forced MJ to settle, and questions his motives - fair enough, but by logic they should ask one more question: why would a parent settle?

To experience this laziness to think is almost literally painful... and to see these stories appearing in serious media without basic fact checking is quite scary, as it's not only about MJ.
 
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Hey does anyone have the reeanactment show from e!? I'd love to start sharing the episode with wade..

Ps. I've wanted to re watch it with my wife the whole series for years.
 
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It is beyond me, how people can hate a man so much, whom they have never even met. My hope for humanity is far gone at this point.
I do not understand how it's even reasonable to have so many nasty opinions on someone, THAT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW. And all I see roaming around social media is trash-talking, brain-washed people. And to everyone's BIG surprise, they're not even that into the whole case. They know nothing about it when you question them.

To lighten up the mood, here's an amazing video that made me feel a little bit at ease (I find him hilarious and he's spitting FACTS)
 
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tabloidjunkie95 said:
It is beyond me, how people can hate a man so much, whom they have never even met. My hope for humanity is far gone at this point.
I do not understand how it's even reasonable to have so many nasty opinions on someone, THAT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW. And all I see roaming around social media is trash-talking, brain-washed people. And to everyone's BIG surprise, they're not even that into the whole case. They know nothing about it when you question them.

To lighten up the mood, here's an amazing video that made me feel a little bit at ease (I find him hilarious and he's spitting FACTS)
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Some people purpose is to be trolls on the internet just to start nonsense on topics.
 
Lightbringer;4239481 said:
Yeah its on page 18 in the autopsy I believe.

What about this information? Is everything there correct? Its a long read and very detailed.

Did Jordan Chandler’s description of Michael Jackson’s penis match the photographs taken of the star’s genitalia by the police?

https://themichaeljacksonallegation...s-taken-of-the-stars-genitalia-by-the-police/
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Are you sure ? I just read the autopsy report and can’t find anything on this matter. On page 17 the genital system only mentions about prostate and testes. I am sure if the match was true it would be submitted in 2005 as evidence, but the fan community should not use information on circumcision if not true.

EDIT: Ok, you are right i found it above the 'CLOTHING' paragraph. I had a different PDF version of the report.
 
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I just stumbled on this but I think some fans would like to comment since the video makes mj fans look.. crazy!

If you comment please remember to be intelligent and not overly agressive. It just feeds Into how were painted as.

https://youtu.be/p3yZmwPDrDE
 
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All left to do now is pray.

The media ain't worth a damn from day one, and it's even beyond Michael. Like I said, there's some "Fatal Attraction" going on here.

"If someone shows you who they really are, believe them." -Dr. Maya Angelou
 
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My mass media consumption is at an all time low. No click through no ad revenue nothing being made from me

Suggest others do same only way to hurt them is by pockets
 
Lightbringer;4239474 said:
Btw. Do we have any reliable sources to prove this except from the autopsy? I have a journalist here in sweden that wants to write an article on this, and I only know its in the autopsy (which I read many years ago)
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It’s a shame that Hannes Rådstam is dead. We should need somebody like him..
 
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Usa today in 94 mentioned Jordan's description didnt match and the doctor there during the strip search said it was inaccurate.
 
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KOPV said:
Usa today in 94 mentioned Jordan's description didnt match and the doctor there during the strip search said it was inaccurate.
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Jordan also described that Michael was circumcised, which he was not.
 
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Just saw Taj on the news this morning here in sydney being interviewed about the documentry hope it gets uploaded soon
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Whenever Michael was on tour, he would always make time to visit hospitals in the different cities he visited and would spend time with as many of the patients as he could. He was always looking to bring happiness to everyone whom he crossed paths with. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJHumanitarian?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJHumanitarian</a> <a href="https://t.co/da23R7yT75">pic.twitter.com/da23R7yT75</a></p>&mdash; Michael Jackson (@michaeljackson) <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson/status/1091392480233295874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RT In 3 days- just shy of 170,000 views Joe Vogel's article in Forbes is shaking up some of tabloid reporters -Keep sharing link on all social media platforms available to you. Comment sections of articles too. <a href="https://t.co/TtgNjTalB3">https://t.co/TtgNjTalB3</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1091413672075747328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you Foot &#128591;&#127997; <a href="https://t.co/hz4CN2cSgW">https://t.co/hz4CN2cSgW</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1091213569687879681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m already very much in touch with her.&#128077;&#127997; <a href="https://t.co/QH1ypcdPDX">https://t.co/QH1ypcdPDX</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1091163355388162048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Caught in another lie. Journalists, why do we have to do your work for you?<br>Facts don’t lie, people do.&#128071;&#127997; <a href="https://t.co/JzwNlk1jfQ">pic.twitter.com/JzwNlk1jfQ</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1091162217121177600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MJ fans are well-versed, know their history, and are hitting back with facts, video clips, contradictions, and transcripts. They were definitely not expecting this.&#128077;&#127997;<br><br>Facts don’t lie, people do.</p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1091377383641247751?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement by Kerry Anderson, Michael Jackson's former bodyguard and friend. ( <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> Kerry wants to be in contact with you, if it will help you! Let me know!) <a href="https://t.co/sYsUppwrHh">pic.twitter.com/sYsUppwrHh</a></p>&mdash; LunaJo67 (@LunaJo67) <a href="https://twitter.com/LunaJo67/status/1091391980599414784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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#MichaelJackson #ParisJackson #RTL #exclusiv # „Lies run sprints / truth runs marathons!!“ #MJ forever.

Call me wrong, but for my understanding there is not much interest by the german newsmakers. For sure you will find something, if you search the net. But print magazines and news station are really calm. The biggest TV-station RTL did talk to Alex Gernandt, German music journalist- picture attached.
The biggest fears are that Mikes kids are fine...and in last days i often heard his music played by the radio stations.
 
Costas;4239495 said:
Are you sure ? I just read the autopsy report and can’t find anything on this matter. On page 17 the genital system only mentions about prostate and testes. I am sure if the match was true it would be submitted in 2005 as evidence, but the fan community should not use information on circumcision if not true.

EDIT: Ok, you are right i found it above the 'CLOTHING' paragraph. I had a different PDF version of the report.
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Page 18, just as I described.

http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Celebs/jackson, michael_report.pdf

 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thank you for responding to my concerns. I appreciate your willingness to dialogue. If you would like to learn more about the documentary and why it’s a lie &gt; check this out &gt;&gt; <a href="https://t.co/Qh3rYLbZ1a">https://t.co/Qh3rYLbZ1a</a> <a href="https://t.co/pTK4ifLUmX">https://t.co/pTK4ifLUmX</a></p>&mdash; Melanie321 (@Mellie4Justice) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mellie4Justice/status/1091379632149065729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wade Robson is a liar!</p>&mdash; Flo Anthony (@banananosekid) <a href="https://twitter.com/banananosekid/status/1091337839839596544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson's Nephew Taj Slams 'Leaving Neverland,' Wants to Tell the 'Truth': 'Facts Don’t Lie, People Do' <a href="https://t.co/ofGk1N0Zb6">https://t.co/ofGk1N0Zb6</a></p>&mdash; Melanie321 (@Mellie4Justice) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mellie4Justice/status/1091403253244399621?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THIS! <a href="https://t.co/QOiqSnSd1D">https://t.co/QOiqSnSd1D</a></p>&mdash; Antony Aris-Osula (@coconutprince) <a href="https://twitter.com/coconutprince/status/1091301144528343042?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Februar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Celebrating Greatness <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> &quot;Lies Run sprints, but the truth runs marathons&quot; - Michael Joseph Jackson <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://t.co/Vi0FtvArnF">https://t.co/Vi0FtvArnF</a></p>&mdash; JayEss (@JayEssonline) <a href="https://twitter.com/JayEssonline/status/1090621509536608258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">30. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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