Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

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ManBehindTheMirror - Girl;4239289 said:
I will stay to hope that something relly great like this will happen in next weeks or months.
Something big that turn on the bright, pure, warm light on Michael which the people behind the new "movie" hardly try to turn out forever.
There must come in something what brings some kind of justice to the whole thing, what this moviemaker and the media refuse to bring in.
God was always on Michaels side and he always will be it cause he crated him with so maaany gifts for many great, beatiful and good reasons!
Michael is his best creation and his instrument which I think he won't lost!

Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I understand and I agree with your hopes but simply I don&#8217;t trust that men, in 1993 he couldn&#8217;t do anything he was a child but then he got older and he could/should do something Michael went through hell many times, somehow he died before June 25th, you can see it in his eyes, you can feel his pain just looking some pictures how could Jordan sleep at night? Maybe he&#8217;s reading this thread and yes Michael was God&#8217;s best creation, His best gift to us. We&#8217;ll see. Fingers crossed and lots of prayers.
 
This is very serious now, and we HAVE to do something big to stop this madness. Even all entertainment programs are questioning if michaels legacy will ever be the same, most of them said they won’t listen to his music anymore.
 
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because they have zero brains. Cannot educate themselves. Less than 1 hour of research and they would change their minds. It's just filthy how pathetic these families were plus Robson guys.
 
Surviving &#8216;Leaving Neverland&#8217;: Why Muting Michael Jackson Won&#8217;t Be Easy (Opinion)
(Variety)

The Jan. 3 debut of the Lifetime docuseries &#8220;Surviving R. Kelly&#8221; dealt a swift blow to R. Kelly&#8217;s career. One week after the premiere of the incendiary exposé covering longstanding sexual abuse allegations against him and uncovering new ones, Lady Gaga cemented his persona non grata status by joining Team #MuteRKelly.

Gaga apologized for working with him and vowed to remove their 2013 duet &#8220;Do What U Want&#8221; from streaming services, a move Celine Dion also made four days later with &#8220;I&#8217;m Your Angel,&#8221; her 1998 collaboration with Kelly. So what do we do now with arguably the biggest R. Kelly superstar summit of all: &#8220;You Are Not Alone,&#8221; the 1995 number-one single he wrote and co-produced for Michael Jackson?

The &#8220;Thriller&#8221; icon, who died in 2009 at age 50, could be on the verge of becoming the next cancelled superstar of 2019 following the Sundance premiere of another legacy-mangling documentary/exposé about a music legend. &#8220;Leaving Neverland&#8221; makes a new case for the old child molestation allegations against Jackson, and it screened to a standing ovation and unanimous praise. But even in a #MeToo era that increasingly blurs the line between art and personal life, can we just obliterate the Michael Jackson memories that helped define the best years of our lives?

The parallels with Kelly are haunting. Both were first dogged by rumors of sexual indiscretions around the same time (1993&#8211;1994), and both nonetheless continued to enjoy mass commercial success for years. Jackson would go on trial for his alleged misdeeds and be subsequently found not guilty, while Kelly was indicted on child pornography charges and exonerated in 2008. Although the Me Too movement reignited anti-Kelly furor, his career remained more or less untouched until &#8220;Surviving R. Kelly&#8221; turned public opinion further against him and sparked a new FBI investigation and calls by the Chicago District Attorney for victims to come forward.

Michael Jackson will be harder to tear down. For one thing, he&#8217;s no longer around to suffer the brunt of our rage. He also was an even bigger global superstar than Kelly, who always has been more an R&B legend than a pop one. Jackson&#8217;s influence spans multiple genres, multiple continents, multiple generations, and nearly a half-century. He has contributed in some way to the tapestry of all our lives, from Baby Boomers to post-millennials. He was mainstream and family-friendly the way convicted sex offender Bill Cosby was, but while we can easily boycott Cosby&#8217;s TV series and movies, erasing Jackson isn&#8217;t so simple.

Take the Sundance Film Festival soundtrack, for example. Despite the specific and overwhelming evidence presented in &#8220;Leaving Neverland,&#8221; which includes detailed interviews with two of Jackson&#8217;s accusers, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, the King of Pop&#8217;s hits continued to blare from the speakers at parties and in businesses throughout Park City, Utah, after the documentary&#8217;s premiere.

The commercial effect on Jackson&#8217;s music is pending, but it will be interesting to see if it echoes the surge in R. Kelly&#8217;s Spotify popularity when the streaming giant temporarily removed him from its custom playlists last year and the spike in his sales following the premiere of &#8220;Surviving R. Kelly.&#8221; (Spotify confirmed a 16 percent increase in streams of his music.) How would the cancellation of an artist who has permeated our pop-cultural consciousness to a far greater degree, a man responsible for one of the biggest albums of all time, even work?

Do we begin with The Jackson 5, also punishing his brothers, who may or may not have been privy to his alleged sex crimes? Should his musical collaborators&#8202;&#8212;&#8202;which include Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder, Mick Jagger, Diana Ross, Slash, Teddy Riley, Quincy Jones, his sister Janet, and everyone who sang with him on &#8220;We Are the World,&#8221; the 1985 USA for Africa charity single he wrote with Lionel Richie&#8202;&#8212;&#8202;do a Gaga/Dion and try to pull their work with Jackson from streamers? Do we pretend that &#8220;Motown 25: Yesterday, Today, Forever,&#8221; the landmark 1983 TV special on which Jackson introduced his career-making moonwalk, never happened?

What becomes of the legacy of &#8220;Thriller?&#8221; Will the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences rescind the seven Grammys he won for it while we all vow never again to listen to &#8220;Billie Jean&#8221; or patronize any club, bar, restaurant, or store that dares to play it? Should his labels, Motown and Sony, wash their hands of his entire back catalog and his posthumous sales, lest they, too, face the public firing squad?

Is it time to forget about the role &#8220;Thriller&#8221; played in mainstreaming black music in the &#8217;80s and how &#8220;Billie Jean&#8221; changed everything by opening MTV to black faces? Without Jackson, there&#8217;d be no Usher, no Justin Timberlake, no Chris Brown, no Justin Bieber, and, for better or worse, no R. Kelly. For all the debate about his commitment to his blackness, few musicians have done more for black than Michael Jackson. Thoroughly cancelling him would demand so much more than not listening to or playing his music.

The music industry has been slower to come around to the Me Too movement than other branches of the entertainment industry, so it remains to be seen if cancellation will affect more than the freedom and the future employability of the accused (which are obviously not concerns for Jackson). Harvey Weinstein&#8217;s career may be over, but the films he produced for Miramax and the Weinstein Company play on. Actors can refuse to work with Woody Allen in the future, but no one is going to try to pull &#8220;Annie Hall&#8221; or &#8220;Hannah and Her Sisters&#8221; from circulation or return the Oscars they won working with him.

Movies and TV shows, though, are more of a collaborative effort than music, which is credited solely to the performer. &#8220;Surviving R. Kelly&#8221; may have increased interest in Kelly&#8217;s music, but for those who choose to cancel him, it&#8217;s a cleaner process.

Muting Jackson, though, will be messier, not just because of his pervasive influence on our lives, but because punishment is less effective when it&#8217;s doled out posthumously. His music will continue to get airplay. Despite his acquittal on child molestation charges in 2005, the general consensus was divided: Many people still believed he was guilty. That didn&#8217;t stop them from playing his music then, and it probably won&#8217;t stop them now.

At this point, the damage to Jackson&#8217;s legacy is irreversible. As the title of the documentary, which references both his estate and &#8220;Peter Pan,&#8221; suggests, the innocence that he clung to unhealthily in life is gone for good. Everything may be different after &#8220;Leaving Neverland,&#8221; but for a number of lifelong Michael Jackson fans, &#8220;Billie Jean&#8221; will always sound the same.
 
mano;4239307 said:
This is very serious now, and we HAVE to do something big to stop this madness. Even all entertainment programs are questioning if michaels legacy will ever be the same, most of them said they won&#8217;t listen to his music anymore.

Their loss. Media is out of touch. They do not represent the people. They are spinning a false narrative, as usual. Despite decades of assault on Michael Jackson, look how the world reacted when he died. There is a huge gap between the real world and what regular people privately think and feel and what the media likes you to think the world is like. my opinion
 
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wednesday;4239310 said:
Their loss. Media is out of touch. They do not represent the people. They are spinning a false narrative, as usual. Despite decades of assault on Michael Jackson, look how the world reacted when he died. There is a huge gap between the real world and what regular people privately think and feel and what the media likes you to think the world is like. my opinion

Mine as well bud, the problem is that 70% of the world population are sheep’s who believes everything.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Whenever I’m asked about my friend, <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> ,I do my best to let them know he was a normal man who would NEVER harm a child.This is a positive article. I’ll continue to fight for his legacy. <a href="https://t.co/yypQIRcG6N">https://t.co/yypQIRcG6N</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a></p>&mdash; Shana Mangatal (@ImShanaMangatal) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImShanaMangatal/status/1090754198226927617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">30. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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and 2 latest headline by the Enquirer from today... sorry, but ...

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Drug Addict Lisa Marie Presley Would Get High and Watch Ex Michael Jackson Videos

Michael Jackson had a schizophrenic personality and had a ... lust for strange women, his ex-bodyguard has claimed
 
Paris78;4239309 said:
Surviving ‘Leaving Neverland’: Why Muting Michael Jackson Won’t Be Easy (Opinion)
(Variety)

Do we begin with The Jackson 5, also punishing his brothers, who may or may not have been privy to his alleged sex crimes?
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Seriously?!

Are there no serious journalists out there who have questioned the one sided documentary. Unfuc#$%believable.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Scrolling news as every morning I found headline &quot; Why muting Michael Jackson won't be easy .&quot; <br>Because he shouldn't be muted.<br>So today my <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/tbt?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#tbt</a> will be reminder on this man, this brilliant artist.<a href="https://t.co/0lS6BXZIXY">https://t.co/0lS6BXZIXY</a></p>&mdash; Ellie M. V. (@ArchitectMEV) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArchitectMEV/status/1090932901187850241?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">31. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Meanwhile in heaven, God turned to Michael Jackson and said, &quot;Don't worry. I got this.&quot;</p>&mdash; Blues Away (@SpeechlessMJJ16) <a href="https://twitter.com/SpeechlessMJJ16/status/1090710737742413828?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">30. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Those calling on respect77 or any others my response is,

'In a time like this when Michael needs us, we must put aside personal differences, I am more than willing do to that and welcome her or anyone back for the greater good being advocate's defending Michael in his hour of need, only coming together no matter what will we achieve that, same would go for anyone who has left over the years for whatever reason's'

Side note: To be honest I spend little to no time here anymore so I have a feeling the situation will be completely different anyway.

The offer is there if anyone has any issue's logging back in email me on gary@mjjcommunity.com and I'll sort it straight away.

The platform is here - let's use it.
 
Paris78;4239309 said:
Surviving &#8216;Leaving Neverland&#8217;: Why Muting Michael Jackson Won&#8217;t Be Easy (Opinion)
(Variety)

The Jan. 3 debut of the Lifetime docuseries &#8220;Surviving R. Kelly&#8221; dealt a swift blow to R. Kelly&#8217;s career. One week after the premiere of the incendiary exposé covering longstanding sexual abuse allegations against him and uncovering new ones, Lady Gaga cemented his persona non grata status by joining Team #MuteRKelly.

Gaga apologized for working with him and vowed to remove their 2013 duet &#8220;Do What U Want&#8221; from streaming services, a move Celine Dion also made four days later with &#8220;I&#8217;m Your Angel,&#8221; her 1998 collaboration with Kelly. So what do we do now with arguably the biggest R. Kelly superstar summit of all: &#8220;You Are Not Alone,&#8221; the 1995 number-one single he wrote and co-produced for Michael Jackson?

The &#8220;Thriller&#8221; icon, who died in 2009 at age 50, could be on the verge of becoming the next cancelled superstar of 2019 following the Sundance premiere of another legacy-mangling documentary/exposé about a music legend. &#8220;Leaving Neverland&#8221; makes a new case for the old child molestation allegations against Jackson, and it screened to a standing ovation and unanimous praise. But even in a #MeToo era that increasingly blurs the line between art and personal life, can we just obliterate the Michael Jackson memories that helped define the best years of our lives?

The parallels with Kelly are haunting. Both were first dogged by rumors of sexual indiscretions around the same time (1993&#8211;1994), and both nonetheless continued to enjoy mass commercial success for years. Jackson would go on trial for his alleged misdeeds and be subsequently found not guilty, while Kelly was indicted on child pornography charges and exonerated in 2008. Although the Me Too movement reignited anti-Kelly furor, his career remained more or less untouched until &#8220;Surviving R. Kelly&#8221; turned public opinion further against him and sparked a new FBI investigation and calls by the Chicago District Attorney for victims to come forward.

Michael Jackson will be harder to tear down. For one thing, he&#8217;s no longer around to suffer the brunt of our rage. He also was an even bigger global superstar than Kelly, who always has been more an R&B legend than a pop one. Jackson&#8217;s influence spans multiple genres, multiple continents, multiple generations, and nearly a half-century. He has contributed in some way to the tapestry of all our lives, from Baby Boomers to post-millennials. He was mainstream and family-friendly the way convicted sex offender Bill Cosby was, but while we can easily boycott Cosby&#8217;s TV series and movies, erasing Jackson isn&#8217;t so simple.

Take the Sundance Film Festival soundtrack, for example. Despite the specific and overwhelming evidence presented in &#8220;Leaving Neverland,&#8221; which includes detailed interviews with two of Jackson&#8217;s accusers, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, the King of Pop&#8217;s hits continued to blare from the speakers at parties and in businesses throughout Park City, Utah, after the documentary&#8217;s premiere.

The commercial effect on Jackson&#8217;s music is pending, but it will be interesting to see if it echoes the surge in R. Kelly&#8217;s Spotify popularity when the streaming giant temporarily removed him from its custom playlists last year and the spike in his sales following the premiere of &#8220;Surviving R. Kelly.&#8221; (Spotify confirmed a 16 percent increase in streams of his music.) How would the cancellation of an artist who has permeated our pop-cultural consciousness to a far greater degree, a man responsible for one of the biggest albums of all time, even work?

Do we begin with The Jackson 5, also punishing his brothers, who may or may not have been privy to his alleged sex crimes? Should his musical collaborators&#8202;&#8212;&#8202;which include Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder, Mick Jagger, Diana Ross, Slash, Teddy Riley, Quincy Jones, his sister Janet, and everyone who sang with him on &#8220;We Are the World,&#8221; the 1985 USA for Africa charity single he wrote with Lionel Richie&#8202;&#8212;&#8202;do a Gaga/Dion and try to pull their work with Jackson from streamers? Do we pretend that &#8220;Motown 25: Yesterday, Today, Forever,&#8221; the landmark 1983 TV special on which Jackson introduced his career-making moonwalk, never happened?

What becomes of the legacy of &#8220;Thriller?&#8221; Will the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences rescind the seven Grammys he won for it while we all vow never again to listen to &#8220;Billie Jean&#8221; or patronize any club, bar, restaurant, or store that dares to play it? Should his labels, Motown and Sony, wash their hands of his entire back catalog and his posthumous sales, lest they, too, face the public firing squad?

Is it time to forget about the role &#8220;Thriller&#8221; played in mainstreaming black music in the &#8217;80s and how &#8220;Billie Jean&#8221; changed everything by opening MTV to black faces? Without Jackson, there&#8217;d be no Usher, no Justin Timberlake, no Chris Brown, no Justin Bieber, and, for better or worse, no R. Kelly. For all the debate about his commitment to his blackness, few musicians have done more for black than Michael Jackson. Thoroughly cancelling him would demand so much more than not listening to or playing his music.

The music industry has been slower to come around to the Me Too movement than other branches of the entertainment industry, so it remains to be seen if cancellation will affect more than the freedom and the future employability of the accused (which are obviously not concerns for Jackson). Harvey Weinstein&#8217;s career may be over, but the films he produced for Miramax and the Weinstein Company play on. Actors can refuse to work with Woody Allen in the future, but no one is going to try to pull &#8220;Annie Hall&#8221; or &#8220;Hannah and Her Sisters&#8221; from circulation or return the Oscars they won working with him.

Movies and TV shows, though, are more of a collaborative effort than music, which is credited solely to the performer. &#8220;Surviving R. Kelly&#8221; may have increased interest in Kelly&#8217;s music, but for those who choose to cancel him, it&#8217;s a cleaner process.

Muting Jackson, though, will be messier, not just because of his pervasive influence on our lives, but because punishment is less effective when it&#8217;s doled out posthumously. His music will continue to get airplay. Despite his acquittal on child molestation charges in 2005, the general consensus was divided: Many people still believed he was guilty. That didn&#8217;t stop them from playing his music then, and it probably won&#8217;t stop them now.

At this point, the damage to Jackson&#8217;s legacy is irreversible. As the title of the documentary, which references both his estate and &#8220;Peter Pan,&#8221; suggests, the innocence that he clung to unhealthily in life is gone for good. Everything may be different after &#8220;Leaving Neverland,&#8221; but for a number of lifelong Michael Jackson fans, &#8220;Billie Jean&#8221; will always sound the same.

Who is this ****ing moron? Seriously! This freaking idiot speaks of evidence, specific and overwhelming evidence apparently in this mockumentary. Apparently it's now evidence when two people in a interview claim that something has happened. EVIDENCE? Who allows these numbskulls who have no idea wtf they are talking to write these articles? It's an opinion piece, no...it's utter trash, complete bullshit.

This clown among other things writes :

Despite his acquittal on child molestation charges in 2005, the general consensus was divided: Many people still believed he was guilty.

Meaning many people can't think for themselves and need the media to tell them what is what. If these "many" people only really knew the facts. This idiot speaks of "our rage" towards MJ. Hey bitch, speak for your goddamn self please.

Oh man, there's no telling how I'd react if I ever were to meet someone like this.
 
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I liked Dr. Phil on the talk today. he was discussing cases like this. He also talked about the RKelly. Like he said, If Rkelly is innocent and has nothing to hide (he knows people can lie) come and talk and clear your name. I said with MJ, MJ CAME OUT to be interviewed. Mj did NOT hide and he talked. Dr. Phil said if something does not add up, it should NOT air when people makes claims. And the audience clapped loud. I say MOST people want the truth, not haters.
 
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No, a lot of people don't. if that was the case, MJ would not have been loved the way he was when he died.
 
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This is the next level of attack. Variety giving space to such agenda ridden B.S. they want to end mj once and for all and with the whole me too movement its very different to years ago. Most people are to scared to question anything and the rest are to thick to question anything. This is the biggest worry interms of damage been done. As this is a planned and a very much conseated effort by many forces joining together at a time where there is an obsession with jumping on the bandwaggon to protect the "victim"
 
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I liked Dr. Phil on the talk today. he was discussing cases like this. He also talked about the RKelly. Like he said, If Rkelly is innocent and has nothing to hide (he knows people can lie) come and talk and clear your name. I said with MJ, MJ CAME OUT to be interviewed. Mj did NOT hide and he talked. Dr. Phil said if something does not add up, it should NOT air when people makes claims. And the audience clapped loud. I say MOST people want the truth, not haters.

Dr. Phil? Holy shit, I certainly wouldn't expect him to stay objective on such matters, especially not Michael. I never really liked the guy but I can appreciate this from him.

I really hope most people want the truth. That turd from Variety sure didn't. His/her hate for MJ is crystal clear there and it's based on a goddamn one sided mockumentary. That's what I call terrible journalism. This idiot is jumping to crazy conclusions, wondering how we can mute MJ and what not. Please let those people just **** off already. I saw tweets of people sending facts to that person, but I really doubt he/she will even bother with it. I'd call that a hater.

Let's hope most people are not like him/her. This is why a rebuttal doc is SO needed, mandatory even. Quite a lot of people side with this one sided mockumentary and don't even seem to look for the other side of the story, they have their minds made up. They need to be made aware of the other side of the story though. :(
 
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Honestly, I'm beginning to see a small sliver of hope on the horizon.

Going through the comments of these article, there's an unbelievable outpouring of support for Michael. Not just from us hardcore fans or pages that have his face plastered everywhere, but from everyday people and the general public. Everyone's acknowledging how questionable these claims are, the results of the decade long FBI investigation, how unfair it is that Michael isn't here to fight back against these claims, etc.

Of course there are the naysayers, but the believers are standing strong. And that makes me so insanely happy.

But I can't help but feel that this is a gentle wind compared to the storm that will hit when this finally airs on HBO and Channel 4.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Honestly, I'm beginning to see a small sliver of hope on the horizon.

Going through the comments of these article, there's an unbelievable outpouring of support for Michael. Not just from us hardcore fans or pages that have his face plastered everywhere, but from everyday people and the general public. Everyone's acknowledging how questionable these claims are, the results of the decade long FBI investigation, how unfair it is that Michael isn't here to fight back against these claims, etc.

Of course there are the naysayers, but the believers are standing strong. And that makes me so insanely happy.

But I can't help but feel that this is a gentle wind compared to the storm that will hit when this finally airs on HBO and Channel 4.

Honestly all we can do is educate people on the facts. That's all we can do and we'll know we've done all we can. It is up to the estate now and if they do nothing then they have themselves to blame.
 
Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Honestly, I'm beginning to see a small sliver of hope on the horizon.

Going through the comments of these article, there's an unbelievable outpouring of support for Michael. Not just from us hardcore fans or pages that have his face plastered everywhere, but from everyday people and the general public. Everyone's acknowledging how questionable these claims are, the results of the decade long FBI investigation, how unfair it is that Michael isn't here to fight back against these claims, etc.

Of course there are the naysayers, but the believers are standing strong. And that makes me so insanely happy.

But I can't help but feel that this is a gentle wind compared to the storm that will hit when this finally airs on HBO and Channel 4.

Agreed, im seeing 90% support, the haters are always gonna hate, this mockumenary isn't going to sway people it's just going to solidify their stance, to be honest I haven't heard anyone talking about it either other than online
 
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Honestly all we can do is educate people on the facts. That's all we can do and we'll know we've done all we can. It is up to the estate now and if they do nothing then they have themselves to blame.
No we must continue to fight and spread the truth til the estate can relese something big or Taj had finished his documentery!
We should stay motivated and active as best as we can!
Always keep in mind that the powerful media all around the world the documentery makers, who want to sell their product and the MJhaters will continue to be active cause they wanna win this and wanna turn down finally the black king of pop to raise a new one they can play with and can make more money with.
 
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No we must continue to fight and spread the truth til the estate can relese something big or Taj had finished his documentery!
We should stay motivated and active as best as we can!
Always keep in mind that the powerful media all around the world the documentery makers, who want to sell their product and the MJhaters will continue to be active cause they wanna win this and wanna turn down finally the black king of pop to raise a new one they can play with and can make more money with.

Don't really understand why you're telling me no when you basically just repeated what I said back to me but with more words.
 
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Don't really understand why you're telling me no when you basically just repeated what I said back to me but with more words.
Laughed there.

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Don't really understand why you're telling me no when you basically just repeated what I said back to me but with more words.
Ok maybe I missunderstand you. Sorry. A hug to you! ?
 
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You are both wrong, but one is a little more right than the other.. but hey, I agree!
 
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You are both wrong, but one is a little more right than the other.. but hey, I agree!

Either I'm misunderstanding what you're saying or it actually doesn't make any sense. Haha.
 
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Honestly, I'm beginning to see a small sliver of hope on the horizon.

Going through the comments of these article, there's an unbelievable outpouring of support for Michael. Not just from us hardcore fans or pages that have his face plastered everywhere, but from everyday people and the general public. Everyone's acknowledging how questionable these claims are, the results of the decade long FBI investigation, how unfair it is that Michael isn't here to fight back against these claims, etc.

Of course there are the naysayers, but the believers are standing strong. And that makes me so insanely happy.

But I can't help but feel that this is a gentle wind compared to the storm that will hit when this finally airs on HBO and Channel 4.


Agreed, im seeing 90% support, the haters are always gonna hate, this mockumenary isn't going to sway people it's just going to solidify their stance, to be honest I haven't heard anyone talking about it either other than online


That's very good to hear and exactly what we need. I certainly you are wrong about the last part, but at the same time I can fully understand those fears. Once it airs on those two channels it may not do much in my country, The Netherlands, but once it has aired here and I'm 100 percent sure it will just like the Bashir doc I am not so sure things will stay as silent as they are now.

It seems it has mostly been gossipy programs like RTL Boulevard and papers like De Telegraaf covering it, but not much else. I didn't hear my relatives about it, I didn't hear my friends about it whom some of always watch the news. So that's good. Hopefully by the time it's airing on those two channels the estate has something. Really hope it won't just be us doing all the "work" and even then.

I really wonder how all of this is going to end. What exactly will the estate do, how big will the damage be a few months from now? Will they take this to court and if so, will Dan Reed bring this "third one" there? Are the two shits happy now with the damage has been done? Are they satisfied enough with the money they undoubtedly have received despite them claiming the opposite?
 
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This is the next level of attack. Variety giving space to such agenda ridden B.S. they want to end mj once and for all and with the whole me too movement its very different to years ago. Most people are to scared to question anything and the rest are to thick to question anything. This is the biggest worry interms of damage been done. As this is a planned and a very much conseated effort by many forces joining together at a time where there is an obsession with jumping on the bandwaggon to protect the "victim"
yeah but that has a way of backfiring. Again, MJ situation is different than all the rest. These guys defended Jackson even under oath-that is what have to be kept driven in. if this fails, this opens ALL US up for trouble. This is dangerous
 
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I am not so positive... Seems like more and more tabloids and newspapers write about it now.

An I simply can not believe why most journalists seems to believe those 2 liars... - I mean, journalists of all people should know to do some research and be sceptical... how anyone - and especially a journalist - can believe this one-sided doc i beyond me...
 
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