Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

MJTruth;4239210 said:
Considering what we have seen happen in recent times, most recently with R Kelly, I have never understood why some MJ fans refuse to believe this is worse than 93 or 05.

In '93 TWO grand juries rejected the case against MJ.
In '05 after a trial which included evidence from '93 acquitted MJ. That DID A LOT to restore faith in MJ's innosence for many, many people.
MJ's image was recovering well by the time he died in '09 and after his death there was great deal of positivity toward his career and achievements, often exclipsing the personal life and allegations.
Now there CAN NEVER BE an acquittal. These allegations can go untested by law, accusers can claim ANYTHING they like, WHENEVER they like. I have said this from the moment the documentary was announced. This is FAR WORSE than '93 or '05. Far worse.

Fans responding to fans using the acquittal as evidence that MJ wasn't an abuser completely miss the point. The trial DID NOT consider whether MJ abused Robson or Safechuck. The acquittal proves nothing. Sure, they stated they weren' abused at that time, and they now claim that was false, but in any case MJ was tried on the alleged abuse of Arvizo. That is all that was covered by the trial. Nothing else.

If signifiant effort is not made to undermine the claims SOON then MJ's commercial prospects are finished. I'm serious!#


I said it when the documentary was announced and was told I was wrong, well look what's happening!

And you know what? I was one of those people who said when the doc was announced that it won’t be worse than ‘93 or 2003-05. However, I’ve now changed my mind since this was shown at Sundance. The reaction has already been awful and it hasn’t even aired on tv yet.

I still think the period from his arrest in 2003 to the point until the end of his trial in 2005 was worse than now, because we had daily headlines of alleged acts of abuse, and the prospect of him going to jail. However, like you say, in 2005 there was an acquittal. A jury found him not guilty. It forced a lot of people to shut up and would have convinced many people that MJ could have always been innocent, or like I said above, people would have at least given him the benefit of the doubt.

His legacy has stayed in tact and his popularity increased over the last 10-12 years. That could all change now unless the Estate come out fighting.
 
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Billie Jean was on one of the music channels this morning. It was such a relief; I hadn't seen any of Michael's short films throughout practically all of January.
 
So Shana Mangatal comes out yesterday with the article: "Michael Jackson’s ‘secret’ girlfriend says he was an ‘amazing lover who adored women’ as she slams child sex abuse documentary claims that ‘killed’ him".
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The reaction of the general population: "WHAT? How much did she get paid to say this? I bet she never met him. I have never heard of her before, total bogus story"
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Then the same newspaper writes a false article about child porn found at neverland and the same people: "OMG. Why did the jury free him when they found all that kiddie porn all over neverland? "He must have bought the jury, if not for his money he would be in jail now".

Seriously, trying to change these ignorant haters view will be impossible, because they lack rational thinking....they dismiss the sources for any PRO-MJ article and never questions the source for anything negative, its just they way it is! Sad.
 
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I really don't think we have to worry about any music services pulling his music. It didn't happen when he was alive and this is only just beginning and again, R Kelly's music is still fully on Spotify and damn if he hasn't had a very very bad start of this year. These sorry ass reviewers can yell "I want Spotify to remove his music" all they want but I really doubt it's that simple. And again, before that happens I am 100% sure the estate will make drastic moves because if in the end shops don't sell his music anymore, services don't have it anymore, who/what will bring them money? They can't have that.

For now I'll go ahead and believe them that they are not sitting still but that they just can't talk about it, but please let that be before channel 4 starts showing it. And you can bet your ass Reed will make sure that ads in between other programs will notify people of it as well. There truly should be a penalty for doing this kind of shit without providing ANY actual evidence. Being able to just totally destroy a dead person in a mockumentary, having its viewers eat it all up and in the process ruining the man's image completely. Really, **** this world.

Maybe it's just me and we can think of him what we want but if Joe had lived I don't think he would have accepted this BS.
 
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I don't think that this blackpainting is helpful or brings us further. We shouldn't continue with this...
There are many many things that changed til 1993 and 2003-2005 which bring us and MJ in a much better situation now and makes much more powerful.
I will not whrite a roman about this but I will mention two things.
1. Many people here in germany and in other countrys especially young ones have lost their overall trust in the media, don't pay for them or watch television.
They are mostly use the internet , watch youtube and have lerned that they must research things on their own.
2. Youtube Videos which can be very impressive. I hope some bigger MJcahnnels will reconize what they can do with good Youtube Videos now to imform the peole and bring them on the right way. There must air more videos like "Wade Robson and Michael Jackson - The true story" where someone tell, not only whrite the facts.
 
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I don't think that this blackpainting is helpful or brings us further. We shouldn't continue with this...
There are many many things that changed til 1993 and 2003-2005 which bring us and MJ in a much better situation now and makes much more powerful.
I will not whrite a roman about this but I will mention two things.
1. Many people here in germany and in other countrys especially young ones have lost their overall trust in the media, don't pay for them or watch television.
They are mostly use the internet , watch youtube and have lerned that they must research things on their own.
2. Youtube Videos which can be very impressive. I hope some bigger MJcahnnels will reconize what they can do with good Youtube Videos now to imform the peole and bring them on the right way. There must air more videos like "Wade Robson and Michael Jackson - The true story" where someone tell, not only whrite the facts.

You're probably very right about this. The older generation for lack of a better word already has made their mind up. If my uncle would be to bring this up to me I probably wouldn't even bother anymore. I just don't have the energy for it anymore and it's also no use. I hadn't thought of it but today's generation indeed doesn't really watch much TV, they do spend tons of hours online and if they don't look on news sites they won't really catch on... which would be great really.

I wish there was a way to bring guys like Mac Culkin, Corey Feldman, Brett Barnes, Cascio, the guy that wrote a very long piece yesterday, mothers of them, families in general that spent time in Neverland, people that worked with him, the guy that did his audio equipment in his homes and hotels,and so on. Bring them together and let them do their thing, let them say what it was like spending time with Michael.

Combine that with all the well known (to us) facts that completely prove how full of shit W&S are. Show all the things that don't add up at all, the footage of how Robson had been in full defense of Michael and long after his death had been in full support and then out of the blue changed completely. Especially don't forget to add proof how the media has been trying to destroy him for years on end and how it goes on to this day with tabloid filth like The Sun.

Make that doc and upload it to Youtube, Dailymotion etc. Bombard Facebook, comment sections on sites and YouTube, forums etc with it, so that people see it everywhere.

It seems Corey Feldman (even though he's wishy washy) is willing to cooperate with Taj, that could be a good start too.
 
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Funny how oprah supports wienstein and theres all these stories about geffen bryan singer etc involved in underage sex parties with males happening .anyone would think mj was been used as a scapegoat ?

The only people who have huge knowledge about all the allegations are the fans.websites full of court docs and facts that they have created. Just look how easy it has been for us to contridict what they are saying in the doc compaired to what they said in their depositions. Blantent lieing or the adding of new stories for the doc taken straight from guiterrez book. The estate should hire some of the fans they have the knowledge and the facts but other than youtube we have very little ability to get the info out there
 
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MJTruth..

Yeah, and let's not forget Lorraine Kelly, who nodded her head in agreement, and the earlier show, where Piers Morgan asked JJ, about MJ "paying off" in the tiresome old "he paid for their silence" rubbish.

Isn't it funny though, although we bombarded their social media accounts, with complaints and links to the facts.. Not ONE has answered back!?!
 
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Funny how oprah supports wienstein and theres all these stories about geffen bryan singer etc involved in underage sex parties with males happening .anyone would think mj was been used as a scapegoat ?


Wait, Oprah still supports Weinstein after all these allegations?After all these women came forward? And yeah, Bryan Singer, I've read several things about him and yet.... where's that kind of scrutiny MJ endured for so many years?
 
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Lorraine kelly hates mjs guts. More chance of the second coming happening then to expect anything different from that up her own arse second rate presenter
 
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Lorraine is horrid to the core. Thinks she is a mega star many in real life say she is horrible to be around and very rude
 
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Lorraine kelly hates mjs guts. More chance of the second coming happening then to expect anything different from that up her own arse second rate presenter

I agree, she is typicall of the type of person who has no ability to think for herself and feeds on gossip. Her show is utter rubbish fodder for the brain dead.
 
ManBehindTheMirror - Girl;4239230 said:
I don't think that this blackpainting is helpful or brings us further. We shouldn't continue with this...
There are many many things that changed til 1993 and 2003-2005 which bring us and MJ in a much better situation now and makes much more powerful.
I will not whrite a roman about this but I will mention two things.
1. Many people here in germany and in other countrys especially young ones have lost their overall trust in the media, don't pay for them or watch television.
They are mostly use the internet , watch youtube and have lerned that they must research things on their own.
2. Youtube Videos which can be very impressive. I hope some bigger MJcahnnels will reconize what they can do with good Youtube Videos now to imform the peole and bring them on the right way. There must air more videos like "Wade Robson and Michael Jackson - The true story" where someone tell, not only whrite the facts.

I think youtube channels is a good idea. Another idea could be that some older fan who is very well updated with facts goes on some talkshow with a big audiense to give our side of the story if this turns out to be a big thing in the long run. Also I don’t think it is impossible that Jordan Chandler finally comes forward. I know people say if he didn’t in 2005 he never will but he was 25 then and probably under a huge pressure to testify for the procecution, which he refused. He may already have tried but was sued and beaten up pretty badly by his own father (older man maybe already sick in cancer beating up a 26-27 year old but that is what his lawsuit said). It is hardly a fact that he already tried it is just speculation but they did sue eachother in 2006 or 07. Anyway he is now a 39 year old man and Tom Sneddon and Evan Chanlder is dead so if he was ever going to do it I think now would be the time.
 
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Lorraine is horrid to the core. Thinks she is a mega star many in real life say she is horrible to be around and very rude

I can agree with that. I worked an event she attended several years back .not only her but her staff were incredibly arrogant and up their own arses. The dont you know who i am type of people. Thinking they were some A list hollywood type when they are really z lists wannabe celeb big bro contestants
 
La74;4239243 said:
I think youtube channels is a good idea. Another idea could be that some older fan who is very well updated with facts goes on some talkshow with a big audiense to give our side of the story if this turns out to be a big thing in the long run. Also I don’t think it is impossible that Jordan Chandler finally comes forward. I know people say if he didn’t in 2005 he never will but he was 25 then and probably under a huge pressure to testify for the procecution, which he refused. He may already have tried but was sued and beaten up pretty badly by his own father (older man maybe already sick in cancer beating up a 26-27 year old but that is what his lawsuit said). It is hardly a fact that he already tried it is just speculation but they did sue eachother in 2006 or 07. Anyway he is now a 39 year old man and Tom Sneddon and Evan Chanlder is dead so if he was ever going to do it I think now would be the time.

I keep seeing references to this and Jermaine also implied that Jordy recanted. I never did find this anywhere. Is this just hearsay or actual fact, if so where. I would say that I would have expected this to be reported but given the bias in the media.

I wouldn't hold your breath on waiting for him. There is no way he would ever speak up for MJ.
 
volitional;4239245 said:
I keep seeing references to this and Jermaine also implied that Jordy recanted. I never did find this anywhere. Is this just hearsay or actual fact, if so where. I would say that I would have expected this to be reported but given the bias in the media.

I wouldn't hold your breath on waiting for him. There is no way he would ever speak up for MJ.

Tomas Mesereau said he had people ready to testify that he told them he never was abused and that he would never speak to his parents again because of that they made him do and he had legal emancipation from his parents. Don’t know then, he turned 18 in 1998, the EVANstory lawsuit was in 1996. They did sue eachother in 06 or 07 and that is in the archive somewhere. I don’t think we found out why Evan sued Jordan. We didn’t get access to documents. Someone at the forum said this seems to have to do with break of contract it was that kind of lawsuit so kind of spekulation but Jordan sued Evan for rather serious assult.

I am tried and now on a quick search I only find this foxnews artilleri https://www.foxnews.com/story/ex-*****-accuser-in-court-against-dad
 
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On reflection I decided to clean the thread of posts that were not appropriate for this thread or forum other than in the trials and tribulations section if these things really must be questioned. I'm sorry for the delay in this, I know quite a number of you were upset by JCO8's postings for good reason but I'm sure you'll understand it's been quite a task to sift through this thread and weed it all out. You will see reference to these posts here and there where members have replied but I kept these in being as I didn't want to remove any information that is important to remain for the purpose of this thread. If any of you have lost posts in the crossfire (there was only 1 or 2 I think) I apologise but this has been done merely for the continuity of the thread.

Keep it up guys, you're all doing great things here. And hello to all the new members, I see you all and I'm approving your posts as soon as I see them so thanks again for your patience. Some great contributions from you and I really hope you'll stick around!

Lastly, I just want to say, I'm keeping up with the thread as much as possible and I'm making sure I read all replies, if any of you see anything questionable or that you think is inappropriate then please press the report button as it's easier and quicker for me and the other staff to deal with sooner rather than later.

Thanks everyone.
 
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To be fair though on Piers, that question needs to be asked and it needs to have a good answer, because that's what everybody always automatically brings up. Just as we saw with Lorraine just nodding her head as if it proves he was guilty. Alt least Piers actually had Jermaine on to interview so he could answer questions, Lorraine's show they were just spurting out their own opinions as facts with nobody even there to challenge what they're saying.
 
La74;4239246 said:
Tomas Mesereau said he had people ready to testify that he told them he never was abused and that he would never speak to his parents again because of that they made him do and he had legal emancipation from his parents. Don’t know then, he turned 18 in 1998, the EVANstory lawsuit was in 1996. They did sue eachother in 06 or 07 and that is in the archive somewhere. I don’t think we found out why Evan sued Jordan. We didn’t get access to documents. Someone at the forum said this seems to have to do with break of contract it was that kind of lawsuit so kind of spekulation but Jordan sued Evan for rather serious assult.

I am tried and now on a quick search I only find this foxnews article https://www.foxnews.com/story/ex-*****-accuser-in-court-against-dad



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Ex-***** Accuser in Court Against Dad


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*****: $20 Mil Kid Gets Order Against Dad





A strange turn of events among the peripheral people in Michael Jackson’s odd world has taken place.


According to court papers obtained by this column, the young man who, in 1994, settled with Michael Jackson for $20 million was allegedly physically assaulted last year by his own father.

Jordan Chandler, now 26, filed a request for a restraining order against his father on August 5, 2005. The reason for the order was that Evan Chandler, formerly a dentist and an aspiring screenwriter, had allegedly hit Jordan over the head from behind with a twelve and a half pound weight. He’d also allegedly sprayed him in the face with mace and tried to choke him.

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The two men, according to court papers, were living together in a luxury apartment in New Jersey.

The bizarre case was remanded to trial by a pair of appellate judges on June 8th of this year. This followed a reversal of the restraining order by another judge who felt that Evan Chandler’s actions did not represent a pattern of abuse and didn’t qualify as domestic abuse. The appellate judges disagreed, reinstated the restraining order, and sent the case to trial.

These last judges sounded a little surprised in their ruling that the restraining order had been lifted in the first place. “The judge also found that the weight could cause serious bodily injury or death,” they wrote, indicating that they felt Evan Chandler meant to harm his son.

This means that soon enough Evan and Jordan Chandler will be in a public dispute in a New Jersey courtroom. For Jackson watchers, this is nothing short of shocking: the Chandlers have done everything possible to remain out of the public eye since settling with Jackson in 1994 for a little over $20 million.

In what has now been a much-reported story, Jordy Chandler, then 12 years old, alleged that Jackson molested him on numerous occasions between 1991 and 1994. His uncle, Ray Chandler, published a book about the case in 2005, as did Jackson’s longtime PR man, Bob Jones. Both books detailed Jackson’s inappropriate relationship with the boy; Ray Chandler’s book also recounted the negotiations with Jackson’s attorney, Bert Fields, and his investigator, Anthony Pellicano, by which his brother and nephew got the $20 million.

At the time of this episode, Evan Chandler was divorced from Jordy’s mother, June, who had custody of their son and conceded that she’d let Jackson sleep in the boy’s room in her house for months without supervision. Jackson was then about 35 years old. Subsequently, June Chandler was cut off from her son and as of last year had not seen or spoken to him in a dozen years. She testified to all of this in Jackson’s 2005 child molestation trial.

A falling out between Jordy and Evan Chandler of this serious a nature immediately reveals a couple of things: that at the age of 25 Jordy was still living with his father, and that they had settled into a luxury apartment in New Jersey with panoramic views of Manhattan.

Prior to this they had owned a beach house in Westhampton, New York, and had had an apartment in New York. Public records show, however, that Jordy sold the beach house for $2.9 million in 2003. He bought a condo for $775,000 in West Harlem in June 2005 one week after Jackson was acquitted of child molestation and about six weeks before he accused his father of attacking him. At the time he purchased the coop, Jordy gave a PO Box in Jersey City as his address. It’s only conjecture, but it’s likely that Evan Chandler—whom his brother Raymond had said in interviews was seriously ill in 2005—didn’t want his son to leave him.

News of the Chandlers’ domestic dispute comes as Jackson remains on the down-low somewhere in Europe, either in London or Dublin, as his lawyers try to work out what will become of his languishing career. Having beaten the child molestation charge, Jackson turned himself into a self-exiled celebrity. His Neverland Ranch was shuttered after California officials fined him for not paying his employees for four months and letting their insurance lapse. A $25 million lien was placed against Neverland in June in order to pay off one of Jackson’s attorneys. And a group of investors in Rancho Palos Verdes, California is currently holding a $2.2 mortgage on Jackson’s parent’s home in Encino, California.

More to come…
 
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And there was a very good legal reason for the settlement. Unfortunatly jermaine is clueless on the facts and should not be on tv defending mj just cause he likes the attention.it does more harm than good
 
Lightbringer;4239223 said:
So Shana Mangatal comes out yesterday with the article: "Michael Jackson’s ‘secret’ girlfriend says he was an ‘amazing lover who adored women’ as she slams child sex abuse documentary claims that ‘killed’ him".
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The reaction of the general population: "WHAT? How much did she get paid to say this? I bet she never met him. I have never heard of her before, total bogus story"
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Then the same newspaper writes a false article about child porn found at neverland and the same people: "OMG. Why did the jury free him when they found all that kiddie porn all over neverland? "He must have bought the jury, if not for his money he would be in jail now".

Seriously, trying to change these ignorant haters view will be impossible, because they lack rational thinking....they dismiss the sources for any PRO-MJ article and never questions the source for anything negative, its just they way it is! Sad.


to give the Sun credit, I was amazed they printed a report that actually would, if believed, counter the MJ is a criminal argument. The Sun readers are willing to accept the word of two proven liars with zero proof whatsoever, but when a woman makes claims with zero proof they suddenly need proof. Hypocrisy. The idiots.

I haven't checked this news this morning but I bet no other tabloid picked up the Shana story.

I know people don't want to give any news website with a negative story hits, but I do think it's important to counter the story wherever possible, AND to argue with the trolls in a calm manner. Most resort to name calling. Most cannot prove any evidence, except their beloved tabloid story. It's important to remain calm and state the facts. Reference the legal documents.
 
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We really dont need nutjobs who have fantasies of been mjs girlfriend coming out with fake stories to support him. For a start does she think straight men arent abusers! And saying he was a great lover proves innocence.
 
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Hi MJ Fans just want to say thanks for keeping the truth out there for MJ. I'm new to this board but I have seen lots of fans posting useful info on sites such as Youtube which is the only social media site I go on. I hope you all keep the faith and try to be positive cause as we have seen with previous allegations they looked bad on face value but upon investigation and cross examination turn out to be absolutely ridiculous. Again thank you guys.
 
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Arrrgggghhh, I want to avoid these threads cos I'm getting upset at how obvious the lie and the press try to spread it like wild fire even though they know so, but on the other hand I need to be here to gather the facts to shut haters down, tough times but MJ is eternal through his engraved legacy, I'll ride this mockerary of a storm out
 
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We really dont need nutjobs who have fantasies of been mjs girlfriend coming out with fake stories to support him. For a start does she think straight men arent abusers! And saying he was a great lover proves innocence.

Hey, I don't believe her stories either but those stories certainly don't hurt IMO.

It's something "normal" to counteract the wild fantasies of Reed/Safechuck/Robson/Finaldi.
 
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There will be non truth stories out there from both sides.. jordan never made a public statement about Michael, "girlfriends" will come out and say random stuff, and people will pretend they were kids at neverland just to say he didnt do anything..

It goes both ways, while sometimes hearing good things about michael that are lies could "help", it doesnt make it right..

The bottom line is we are trying to advocate the truth, you spread a lie with good intention.. all it takes is someone to call that person out and BAM, nothing else they say is credible.

For Jermaine (for example) say jordan admitted Michael never touched him only gives a hater or journalist that has read up a little to call out the BS.. once 1 BS card is thrown - to the average person, the credibility factor drops significantly.


And there is no reason to lie, there is enough facts supporting Michael to send others to jail if the estate actually proceeded hard on it.. may simply may not be the best business choice but would kill this all together.
 
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Once the fans watch the mockumentary I bet a lot if not everything can be debunked. Maybe not all, because how are we gonna prove fabricated lies/stories by the two wrong?

Is anyone planning on watching it when it airs on channel 4? I don't have that channel, hell I don't even have cable or digital TV anyway. Seems so far it'll be channel 4 and HBO that will air it. Although it wouldn't surprise me if Dutch TV finds a way to air it as well. :(
 
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The duration is very off putting, I was asked finally about it at work yesterday. When I said it was 4 hours they all cringed and laughed at it. I broke down both cases in the space of a minute and they were all on MJs side by the end of it.
 
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There will be non truth stories out there from both sides.. jordan never made a public statement about Michael, "girlfriends" will come out and say random stuff, and people will pretend they were kids at neverland just to say he didnt do anything..

It goes both ways, while sometimes hearing good things about michael that are lies could "help", it doesnt make it right..

The bottom line is we are trying to advocate the truth, you spread a lie with good intention.. all it takes is someone to call that person out and BAM, nothing else they say is credible.

For Jermaine (for example) say jordan admitted Michael never touched him only gives a hater or journalist that has read up a little to call out the BS.. once 1 BS card is thrown - to the average person, the credibility factor drops significantly.


And there is no reason to lie, there is enough facts supporting Michael to send others to jail if the estate actually proceeded hard on it.. may simply may not be the best business choice but would kill this all together.

Yeah agree. It doesnt help in the long run
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4239258 said:
Once the fans watch the mockumentary I bet a lot if not everything can be debunked. Maybe not all, because how are we gonna prove fabricated lies/stories by the two wrong?

Is anyone planning on watching it when it airs on channel 4? I don't have that channel, hell I don't even have cable or digital TV anyway. Seems so far it'll be channel 4 and HBO that will air it. Although it wouldn't surprise me if Dutch TV finds a way to air it as well. :(

I see where you are thinking fans can debunk claims after it airs. I think that is wishful thinking. After it airs and people watch the film they will make up there minds for themselves. If the two of them are believable then the damage is done. We can’t be nieve and think we can fix peoples perception. The sad thing is it’s one sided but that why they are doing this. The impact of their stories from the normal persons point of view will be the most damaging. The truth is most will not look for the truth. If they feel in there hearts these two are credible then the damage is done and we can’t fix that or change their minds. The only way to help this I’m afraid is to try to stop it from airing thats about it. We won’t be able to accomplish that only the Estate can if they have any legal right to do so. That’s about it and we have to face it. Come on Estate it’s on you now. Another thing that might be troubling is why the Estate won’t do anything? Do they think ultimately that he is guilty? Are there hands tied with this? Are there agreements that have been signed by MJ and his lawyers in the past? These are the questions we need answered.
 
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