Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[elusive moonwalker]

Yeap agree. The below is a typical snide side attack on mj and the estate. Typical brown. The estate is anything but powerful the way mj is crapped on and how the MSM think they can get away with it. If they were scared these type of progs would never be created in the first place. Of course in the context of this article the whole thing is probably B.S anyway considering the author

not bowing to immense pressure and the powerful Jackson estate to back out of the film. [/B]

 

[ozemouze]

Still only about money & the “power” of MJ’s camp … They see the problem with the “situation” not in the film itself, but in the lawsuit and their potential financial loss. At least, that’s how I read it.

Indeed, the big bad MJ Estate threatens poor little HBO, lol. That's hardly a believable scenario even for neutral readers though.

As people pointed out on Twitter, the article was written by Stacy Brown.

Whoops. I'm guess I'm too much in need for something positive then. :blush:

 

[ScreenOrigami]

Whoops. I'm guess I'm too much in need for something positive then. :blush:

Well, in a way it’s still positive. At least those without a moral compass are beginning to realize that slander does not always equal risk free money. Without monetary incentive we’ll see less of this crap.

 

[myosotis]

Yeap agree. The below is a typical snide side attack on mj and the estate. Typical brown. The estate is anything but powerful the way mj is crapped on and how the MSM think they can get away with it. If they were scared these type of progs would never be created in the first place. Of course in the context of this article the whole thing is probably B.S anyway considering the author

not bowing to immense pressure and the powerful Jackson estate to back out of the film. [/B]

I take your points about the author and also about his insinuation regarding the (generally non-) 'powerful' MJ Estate.

However, he does have a point here. The Estate is indeed in the relatively 'powerful' position of being able to sue HBO, solely on the grounds that it has a non-defamation clause in an MJ companies contract with HBO.

The lawsuit is not related to the content of LN alone. ie If LN had been funded by any other film company, the Estate would not have been able to sue (as there is no law against defamation of the deceased) - thereby illustrating their 'general' powerlessness, but 'specific' power in this case. (Sorry to split hairs!)

 

[myosotis]

Well, in a way it’s still positive. At least those without a moral compass are beginning to realize that slander does not always equal risk free money. Without monetary incentive we’ll see less of this crap.

I must be in a hair-splitting mood! :devil:

Isn't Reade mainly trying to sully Biden's name, to make him non-electable as President? (I hadn't seen whether she's also trying to make money).

In that sense, she seems to be trying to 'get back' at Biden for his politics and /or her belief that he fired her (or whatever), rather in the way that Wade is trying to get back at MJ when he ran out of other MJ-related money-and fame- making opportunities (like MJ ONE). So in that sense, lets hope there are no more crazy 'rebuffed employees/ former friends' waiting in the wings either. (or fame -hungry narcissists).

(I'll sit down now. :shutup

 

[Amaya]

As people pointed out on Twitter, the article was written by Stacy Brown.

Gah! Wish I read more replies before "thanking" that post...

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is clear - it started during her interview in 1993 - <a href="https://t.co/QTW1RXDS4d">pic.twitter.com/QTW1RXDS4d</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1256258702383800320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[elusive moonwalker]

I take your points about the author and also about his insinuation regarding the (generally non-) 'powerful' MJ Estate.

However, he does have a point here. The Estate is indeed in the relatively 'powerful' position of being able to sue HBO, solely on the grounds that it has a non-defamation clause in an MJ companies contract with HBO.

The lawsuit is not related to the content of LN alone. ie If LN had been funded by any other film company, the Estate would not have been able to sue (as there is no law against defamation of the deceased) - thereby illustrating their 'general' powerlessness, but 'specific' power in this case. (Sorry to split hairs!)

Yeah i get you. Totally fine?

 

[ozemouze]

The Estate is indeed in the relatively 'powerful' position of being able to sue HBO, solely on the grounds that it has a non-defamation clause in an MJ companies contract with HBO.

The lawsuit is not related to the content of LN alone. ie If LN had been funded by any other film company, the Estate would not have been able to sue (as there is no law against defamation of the deceased) - thereby illustrating their 'general' powerlessness, but 'specific' power in this case. (Sorry to split hairs!)

It's scary to think about how HBO (or anyone promoting LN, or any other claim against any other deceased BTW) clearly didn't have to care about whether the allegations were true at all, as they felt fully covered by law and thought MJ's side was totally powerless and without any legal possibility. It's a very special situation that MJ had a contract with HBO with this clause in it, not to mention that a technicality shouldn't be the only possibility for the relatives/estates of the deceased to react, it's insane.

 

[myosotis]

It seems that Finaldi and co are stepping up their 'promotion' in advance of the next hearing.

The UK Sun (tabloid) has an article today about the next hearing being delayed to June. The article carries current quotes from Finaldi

&#8220;It will be the first hearing in the case. It&#8217;s a new judge and it will be resolved one way or another. We are preparing for a trial later in the year.&#8221;

but only old quotes from the MJ Estate:

Jackson&#8217;s estate has continually denied the sex abuse claims. The estate&#8217;s lawyer, Howard Weitzman, has previously said he is confident the pair&#8217;s lurid allegations will be dismissed.

I don't know if the MJ Estate declined to give a new comment, or if this is just another example of the press 'giving power' to Finaldi and Co. by quoting them first and 'currently'. It's more than likely the latter, of course. (Very like Reed in LN, who merely says that the Estate has previously denied the claims, and called that 'balance').

The 'Mirror' (UK tabloid) carried the same article a day or so later, but added:

Michael Jackson's estate is still exempt from facing legal proceedings.

(no mention of their probate claims, which were thrown out for being too late.

 

[myosotis]

It's scary to think about how HBO (or anyone promoting LN, or any other claim against any other deceased BTW) clearly didn't have to care about whether the allegations were true at all, as they felt fully covered by law and thought MJ's side was totally powerless and without any legal possibility. It's a very special situation that MJ had a contract with HBO with this clause in it, not to mention that a technicality shouldn't be the only possibility for the relatives/estates of the deceased to react, it's insane.

I'm sure that's what Reed and all his enablers at HBO and Channel 4 were relying on. He may have found it harder to make an 'LN' type film about any living innocent person.
I'm sure I've read an interview with Reed where he said that legal advice had been taken in advance of LN being made / released, and the lawyers had 'OK'd' it.

However, Reed did also say that he would still have made the film if MJ was alive. There are two issues with that; firstly that W and J would not have made these claims if MJ was alive, and secondly that W and J (and their families) would probably have been held legally liable for anything they said on film (rather than Reed), so I suspect Reed would still have been 'protected' by virtue of being a 'journalist' reporting on 'allegations'.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Sad to know wade and james has families on their own and setting them a bad example. so sad.

 

[ScreenOrigami]

Gah! Wish I read more replies before "thanking" that post...

My take it that &#8220;thanking&#8221; someone here is different from &#8220;liking&#8221; something on Facebook or Twitter. You&#8217;re thanking the person for posting the article, so no need for regrets here.

 

[Amaya]

My take it that &#8220;thanking&#8221; someone here is different from &#8220;liking&#8221; something on Facebook or Twitter. You&#8217;re thanking the person for posting the article, so no need for regrets here.

That's a good way of looking at it. Thanks for the reassurance.

Sad to know wade and james has families on their own and setting them a bad example. so sad.

I worry about their kids. They will likely get bullied once people find out who they are, and if that bullying comes from MJ fans it's going to give more ammo to the hater crowd to paint the entire fandom as bad. Hopefully the fans will leave them alone once they're old enough for social media. Or maybe the kids will realize their parents are shitty and distance themselves as they get older.

 

[terrell]

It seems that Finaldi and co are stepping up their 'promotion' in advance of the next hearing.

The UK Sun (tabloid) has an article today about the next hearing being delayed to June. The article carries current quotes from Finaldi


but only old quotes from the MJ Estate:


I don't know if the MJ Estate declined to give a new comment, or if this is just another example of the press 'giving power' to Finaldi and Co. by quoting them first and 'currently'. It's more than likely the latter, of course. (Very like Reed in LN, who merely says that the Estate has previously denied the claims, and called that 'balance').

Well, with this VP Joe Biden situation going on, this may cause even more trouble for this low life lawyer and his conartist. I am amaze how people are starting to talk about making accusation after so long and this Tara all of sudden looking like she has a motive to accused Biden. Also, news outlets and commentors are talking about how Biden was VETTED. Wait a minute, MJ was VETTED, investigated even by FBI, trial where people were proven liars and these two latest clowns who DEFENDED MJ for 20 years as teens and as adults, changing stories, $$$ etc, these outlets pushed Leaving Neverland and those liars. As we said, RACE is part of these. A black man clear his name and gets treated worst and the mainstream still want to push lies on the black man but find an excuse for someone who is white. Believe me, this is going to start coming up more during this situation on how Michael was treated. It is starting now on some radio friday.

 

[PoP]

That's a good way of looking at it. Thanks for the reassurance.



I worry about their kids. They will likely get bullied once people find out who they are, and if that bullying comes from MJ fans it's going to give more ammo to the hater crowd to paint the entire fandom as bad. Hopefully the fans will leave them alone once they're old enough for social media. Or maybe the kids will realize their parents are shitty and distance themselves as they get older.

Yeah well, we&#8217;re not dragging their kids into this since they have nothing to do with any of this, but yeah they&#8217;ll learn soon enough how bad and evil their parents turn out to be.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

I worry about their kids. They will likely get bullied once people find out who they are, and if that bullying comes from MJ fans it's going to give more ammo to the hater crowd to paint the entire fandom as bad. Hopefully the fans will leave them alone once they're old enough for social media. Or maybe the kids will realize their parents are shitty and distance themselves as they get older.

?????????

 

[myosotis]

In the UK, the police 'watchdog' is going to investigate the liars whose stories 'backed up' Carl Beech's false claims about an abuse ring among politicians and senior officers in the army.

I wonder how long it will be before someone investigates Safechuck's claims? I doubt that Wade's claims would have been taken so seriously without his backup.

Police watchdog orders inquiry into Met Police's failure to investigate two fantasists who backed up Carl Beech's false claims of a VIP paedophile ring

The police watchdog has ordered an inquiry into why Scotland Yard failed to investigate two more VIP abuse fantasists who lied about a Westminster paedophile ring.

The pair &#8211; known only as A and B &#8211; made false statements supporting claims by fantasist 'Nick', whose real name is Carl Beech, about a murderous VIP paedophile ring that Britain's biggest force had called 'credible and true'.

Their lies in 2015 prolonged the investigation into the allegations, known as Operation Midland, and the torment of those falsely accused by Beech for months.

Ex-Metropolitan Police deputy assistant commissioner Steve Rodhouse, who headed the bungled probe, later admitted A and B &#8211; who have shocking criminal records &#8211; told 'deliberate' lies to his officers.

Yet no action was taken despite ex-High Court judge Sir Richard Henriques saying in a scathing report that an outside force should probe them for trying to pervert the course of justice.

Mr Rodhouse had also previously decided not to investigate paedophile Beech for telling lies.

A senior legal source, with knowledge of the Nick scandal, told the Daily Mail that A and B should be serving long jail sentences for their 'appalling lies'.

Now, following a complaint from ex-Tory MP Harvey Proctor &#8211; who was a victim of Beech's far-fetched claims &#8211; the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) has demanded an inquiry into why the Met failed to probe A and B. An outside force is expected to carry it out.

In a letter to Mr Proctor, Brett Gerrard of the IOPC said: 'I am satisfied an investigation is required in order to provide an adequate response to you regarding the decisions made.'

Beech is now serving 18 years in jail for perverting the course of justice and other offences.

Yet the Met ignored the recommendation that the two other serial liars be investigated.

Last night, Mr Proctor, who won £500,000 damages, welcomed the IOPC's decision to order an inquiry. He said of Mr Rodhouse: 'He should be nowhere near any police force.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ked-Carl-Beech.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

[terrell]

Yet the Met ignored the recommendation that the two other serial liars be investigated.


This is why I get upset when people want to judge guilt based on more than one accuser. That is a lie as well especially if the person is high profile which brings out "bandwagon" jumpers. Again, this is why you judge people on facts, not gossip, not numbers, etc. A man here was accused by 3 of his step daughter who lied about him abusing them. They finally admitted they lied on their step dad because he did not let them go to a party. He served 8 months in jail. People need to start talking about these kinds of cases like they talk about guilty cases.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All Wade Robson has been doing all his life was leeching off Michael Jackson, one way or another. There is nothing that he achieved in life without using MJ&#39;s name.</p>&mdash; Justice for The Falsely Accused (@JuliaBerkowitz1) <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaBerkowitz1/status/1256980213105393664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

How things going I don't think this virus going any where until something is made for it. as that saying the court cases probably gonna be on hold until god knows when. I give by the summer or later this year.

one thing I can say Michael music has been steaming.

 

[terrell]

See this Maureen Dowd who degraded Michael after Leaving Neverland even calling fans "truthers" when given the FACTS on MJ's case. Now look what she is saying for Biden. Now she want FACTS to be viewed when talking about Biden. Where was this view when dealing with the facts on Michael? I tell yall, this is a race issue with MJ:

ttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/maureen-dowd-biden-assault-accusation-must-stand-or-fall-on-the-facts-1.4244019

 

[Amaya]

See this Maureen Dowd who degraded Michael after Leaving Neverland even calling fans "truthers" when given the FACTS on MJ's case. Now look what she is saying for Biden. Now she want FACTS to be viewed when talking about Biden. Where was this view when dealing with the facts on Michael? I tell yall, this is a race issue with MJ:

ttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/maureen-dowd-biden-assault-accusation-must-stand-or-fall-on-the-facts-1.4244019

Race issue AND an MJ issue in general. I'm pissed but not surprised that they're pulling this.

 

[terrell]

Race issue AND an MJ issue in general. I'm pissed but not surprised that they're pulling this.

This proves even more the media is full of @#$%

 

[KOPV]

do you know any fan with a reddit account? important! we have the chance to take control over the leaving neverland sub on reddit if we find a fan whose account is 90 days old at least and has at least 500 karma points.

Please DM me if so!

 

[myosotis]

Hee Hee :violin:
('Amos' is Amos Pictures, the production company owned by Dan Reed)

Kew Media Collapsed Owing $13M To Clients Including Netflix & &#8216;Leaving Neverland&#8217; Producer Amos

EXCLUSIVE: Kew Media Distribution&#8217;s collapse has left more than 250 of its clients £10.8M ($13.4M) out of pocket, according to a report that lays bare the financial damage of the TV and film sales house&#8217;s demise.

Kew Media Distribution&#8217;s parent company Kew Media Group went bust in February, but warning lights were flashing well before the crash, as the distribution arm&#8217;s clients complained about being owed royalties.

Now, a report by Kew Media Distribution&#8217;s administrator FTI Consulting has revealed that the company owed nearly £11M to producers and other clients all over the world, including Netflix and CNN.

The figure is a combination of claims made by partners and Kew Media Distribution records, but FTI said the final total is likely to be higher, given the distributor did not share complete sales reports with all clients.

FTI added that it does not expect producers to recover this money in any meaningful way &#8212; even after it has completed a sale of Kew Media Distribution&#8217;s library.

The report reveals that Leaving Neverland producer Amos Pictures is among Kew Media Distribution&#8217;s biggest creditors. The company is owed nearly £523,000 in royalties after Kew Media Distribution sold its HBO/Channel 4 film on Michael Jackson internationally.

Amos founder Dan Reed terminated his Leaving Neverland distribution deal with Kew Media Distribution, but FTI is not acknowledging the termination and is including the title in its sale of the library. Reed told Deadline he is prepared to take legal action to protect his rights.

Other notable creditors include World Productions, which used Kew Media Distribution to sell its hit BBC One drama Line Of Duty internationally. The ITV Studios-owned company is owed nearly £66,000.

CNN (£399,000), Netflix (£79,000), BBC Studios (£90,000), Idris Elba&#8217;s Green Door Pictures (£36,000), Studio Canal (£17,000), Nick Broomfield&#8217;s Lafayette Films (£16,000) and Ecosse Films (£8,000) are also among those owed money.

FTI said a sale of the Kew Media Distribution library is in the advanced stages and it is in exclusive negotiations with one buyer. It received initial expressions of interest from 38 companies, including private equity and film and TV distribution firms. &#8220;It is not certain that a successful sale will be completed,&#8221; FTI warned.

https://deadline.com/2020/05/kew-media-distribution-owed-14m-to-clients-1202927161/

 

[Thriller_MJ]

do you know any fan with a reddit account? important! we have the chance to take control over the leaving neverland sub on reddit if we find a fan whose account is 90 days old at least and has at least 500 karma points.

Please DM me if so!

I'm on reddit and I have karma of over 11k

 

[ScreenOrigami]

FTI added that it does not expect producers to recover this money in any meaningful way — even after it has completed a sale of Kew Media Distribution’s library.

Sorry for repeatedly posting this, but it took 5 valuable minutes of my life to make, and I’m entitled to my ROI. :laughing:

 

[ScreenOrigami]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More karma involving Kew Media, which distributed the &quot;Emmy winning&quot; Leaving Neverland. They owe the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences, which hands out the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Emmys?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Emmys</a>, 246,124 pounds. <a href="https://t.co/1mOAfhyy17">pic.twitter.com/1mOAfhyy17</a></p>&mdash; Leaving Neverland Facts (@NeverlandFacts) <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts/status/1258078812622839814?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just so we're clear here, Dan Reed, at this point, has LOST the rights to his own movie, Leaving Neverland. It's possible he could win them back, but it will take years of legal wrangling I believe. Talk about karma. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJ2020?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJ2020</a> <a href="https://t.co/XGGsPKrB46">https://t.co/XGGsPKrB46</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1258030609986797568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>