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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

NatureCriminal7896;4290031 said:
It's kind of sad it took us to find all of this and not the estate. the estate should give us an award and a much better team. this court case gonna be a piece of vegan cake. (Michael was an vegan.)
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Michael wasn’t a vegan. We know that he ate chicken, so that claim ends right there. ;)
 
NatureCriminal7896 said:
In my opinion the estate should of done a much better job. that's ridiculous for anyone estate. yeah it's great that fans help out etc but you are an estate, you suppose to keep things protect from Michael name etc. smh.
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The MJ Estate has done a fantastic job discrediting R and S in court. There are many, many pages about their excellent work in the trials thread(s).

The Estate would never dream of discussing their evidence with fans, as they need to keep their counter-arguments under wraps until the defendants appear in court. It would be ridiculous for the Estate to give away all their evidence in public before a trial. (if the R&S cases come to trial). Cases are not judged in the court of public opinion, but in a court of law, and that's where the evidence needs to be argued. It's fun and useful for fans to share counter evidence showing Michael's innocence among ourselves, but we know that the Estate has the same evidence and so much more, eg all the records for the MJJ companies, for the MJ tours, MJJ staff etc etc. (There are reputedly between 3 and 5 warehouses of MJ personal and business 'possessions' including business records in the Estate's care.)
 
There's no source you can read the moonwalk and all the things in his life. Michael was vegan but he had cheat days like kfc. don't ask me for every info because i'm am not researcher but a reader.
 
myosotis said:
The MJ Estate has done a fantastic job discrediting R and S in court. There are many, many pages about their excellent work in the trials thread(s).

The Estate would never dream of discussing their evidence with fans, as they need to keep their counter-arguments under wraps until the defendants appear in court. It would be ridiculous for the Estate to give away all their evidence in public before a trial. (if the R&S case comes to trial). Cases are not judged in the court of public opinion, but in a court of law, and that's where the evidence needs to be argued. It's fun and useful for fans to share counter evidence showing Michael's innocence among ourselves, but we know that the Estate has the same evidence and so much more, eg all the records for the MJJ companies, for the MJ tours, MJJ staff etc etc. (There are reputedly between 3 and 5 warehouses of MJ personal and business 'possessions' including business records in the Estate's care.)
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yeah but that was my opinion though.
 
NatureCriminal7896;4290038 said:
There's no source you can read the moonwalker and all the things in his life. Michael was vegan but he had cheat days like kfc. don't ask me for every info because i'm am not researcher but a reader.
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OK, MJ did never ever claim to be vegan. And I know this because I am a vegan and when I first heard that claim, I researched it because I’m always happy to find unexpected allies. Unfortunately MJ wasn’t one of them.

He tried to eat healthy and often cheated on that, and for a while was a vegetarian (that’s what he wrote in Moonwalk), but there is no evidence whatsoever that he was at any point in his life a vegan.

Isn’t that man interesting enough for you all that some of you need to make up stories all the time? :D

This is offtopic of course, but I find all those random claims very upsetting, particularly in a thread where we are actively debunking false claims.

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ScreenOrigami;4290041 said:
OK, MJ did never ever claim to be vegan. And I know this because I am a vegan and when I first heard that claim, I researched it because I’m always happy to find unexpected allies. Unfortunately MJ wasn’t one of them.

He tried to eat healthy and often cheated on that, and for a while was a vegetarian (that’s what he wrote in Moonwalk), but there is no evidence whatsoever that he was at any point in his life a vegan.

Isn’t that man interesting enough for you all that some of you need to make up stories all the time? :D

This is offtopic of course, but I find all those random claims very upsetting, particularly in a thread where we are actively debunking false claims.

:eek:fftopic:
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rude. also i wasn't make it up go read some Michael books and look at all the source. you know you are okay person but really bothers me when you always try to correct me. yes i'm am person that needs help sometimes. but my opinions are my opinions my views are my views.
 
NatureCriminal7896;4290043 said:
rude. also i wasn't make it up go read some Michael books and look at all the source. you know you are okay person but really bothers me when you always try to correct me. yes i'm am person that needs help sometimes. but my opinions are my opinions my views are my views.
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Opinions are opinions. Claiming MJ was a vegan when there is no evidence is not an opinion, it’s an unfounded claim. And I think I have read quite a lot so far, including of course MJ’s Moonwalk. You make a claim, you present the evidence. :)
 
ScreenOrigami;4290015 said:
Talking about the train station: it turned out that HBO owns footage from 1993 that clearly shows the train station didn’t exist yet. So, all the time they were in possession of evidence to discredit their own “documentary”. Check this out:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yup, HBO appears to own aerial footage of Neverland Ranch that discredits their own trash documentary, you can't make this stuff up. Absolute gold I tell ya, I completely lost it when I caught this in putting these together &#65533;&#65533; <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Zigmanfreud</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> <a href="https://t.co/zNaiawY18h">https://t.co/zNaiawY18h</a> <a href="https://t.co/GVYWMEDvSz">pic.twitter.com/GVYWMEDvSz</a></p>&#8212; JaD (@JaDversary) <a href="https://twitter.com/JaDversary/status/1260503614310801410?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

EDIT: Here&#8217;s the Getty Images link to HBO&#8217;s video: https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/video/over-michael-jacksons-neverland-ranch-south-nachrichtenfilmmaterial/555923959
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Going back to this great find .... I'm beginning to wonder if Reed actually did us (and the Estate) a favour, by making LN. He clearly persuaded Wade and James that their stories were utterly believable, to the extent that they talked freely for many hours. Reed had no background knowledge about the 'real' MJ (or the prior court cases), so he wasn't equipped to challenge them on any of their many stupid statements. His 'researcher' was similarly ignorant (and / or biased against MJ). The result has been an absolute gift parcel of easily debunked 'evidence' (on film!! :) ) that these two frauds (and their families) now have to try and weasel their way out of in court.

I can't help but think that despite the horrible year that MJ, his family and friends, we and the Estate have had, the ultimate outcome will be helped by having Leaving Neverland as a permanent 'monument' to Wades', James', Reeds' and HBOs collective stupidity and greed. :cool:
 
myosotis said:
Going back to this great find .... I'm beginning to wonder if Reed actually did us (and the Estate) a favour, by making LN. He clearly persuaded Wade and James that their stories were utterly believable, to the extent that they talked freely for many hours. Reed had no background knowledge about the 'real' MJ (or the prioe court cases), so he wasn't equipped to challenge them on any of their many stupid statements. Hs 'researcher' was similarly ignorant (and / or biased against MJ). The result has been an absolute gift parcel of easily debunked 'evidence' (on film!! :) ) that these two frauds (and their families) now have to try and weasel their way out of in court.

I can't help but think that despite the horrible year that MJ, his family and friends, we and the Estate have had, the ultimate outcome will be helped by having Leaving Neverland as a permanent 'monument' to Wades', James', Reeds' and HBOs collective stupidity and greed. :cool:
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Yup, they exposed their lies on camera. :D

Never in my life have I seen anything like this before. Utter stupidity.
 
Agree. He very much helped the estate in the lawsuit. As the stories have changed so much they eill be used to impeach the two. Even more so when you have such proven and documented lies. This wasnt just a few white lies
 
NatureCriminal7896;4290054 said:
Well i'm gonna by Michael views and my source. he was vegan. either take it or leave it.
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This is ridiculous. What if I said that you are an astronaut because that&#8217;s my opinion? Same thing. :laughing:
 
Michael wasn't a vegan. He was vegetarian for a while when he was young, but that didn't last because his doctor said he needed the protein. He ate poultry, fish, eggs, and pizza.

Now back on topic please.
 
Apologies- I was trying to work out how to add a picture... (I no longer have an 'images' account to post from).
 
ScreenOrigami;4290015 said:
Talking about the train station: it turned out that HBO owns footage from 1993 that clearly shows the train station didn’t exist yet. So, all the time they were in possession of evidence to discredit their own “documentary”. Check this out:

Yup, HBO appears to own aerial footage of Neverland Ranch that discredits their own trash documentary, you can't make this stuff up. Absolute gold I tell ya, I completely lost it when I caught this in putting these together &#65533;&#65533; @Zigmanfreud @tajjackson3 https://t.co/zNaiawY18h pic.twitter.com/GVYWMEDvSz
— JaD (@JaDversary) May 13, 2020​
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EDIT: Here’s the Getty Images link to HBO’s video: https://www.gettyimages.de/detail/v...ranch-south-nachrichtenfilmmaterial/555923959
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this was found out last year already:

[video=youtube;iTQTM3N-oEw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTQTM3N-oEw[/video]
 
myosotis;4290080 said:
Apologies- I was trying to work out how to add a picture... (I no longer have an 'images' account to post from).
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Just use Imgur, it works without making an account. :)
https://imgur.com/
Click on &#8220;New Post&#8221; and you&#8217;re ready to go.

Glanni;4290082 said:
this was found out last year already:
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OK, thanks, hadn&#8217;t seen it. :)

Edit: I think the new finding was not so much the video itself, but the fact that it&#8217;s from HBO&#8217;s own archives. But could very well be that this also has been mentioned in 2019, there was just so much going on.
 
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ridiculous
 
Oh Dear, Buzzfeed UK and Australia is laying off 'journalists' due to lack of funds...

Buzzfeed is closing its dedicated UK and Australian news operations, resulting in staff being furloughed and stood down.

The decision to stop covering local news in the two countries has been made &#8220;both for economic and strategic reasons&#8221;, a spokesperson said.

Buzzfeed continues to publish news in the US and said it plans to retain some UK staff to cover global news for its American audience in areas such as social news, celebrity and investigations.
The move comes as the global news industry is facing an advertising downturn caused by the coronavirus crisis, with thousands of staff put on furlough in the UK alone and some titles having been suspended.

Buzzfeed News, which launched in the US in 2011 and expanded to the UK in 2013, is dependent on advertising as its main source of income.
The digital-only news outfit made a loss of £9.4m in the UK in 2018, with turnover down nearly £12m.

A Buzzfeed spokesperson said: &#8220;Both for economic and strategic reasons, we are going to focus on news that hits big in the United States during this difficult period.

Former Guardian journalist Stuart Millar took over as Buzzfeed UK editor from Janine Gibson last year.

https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/buzz...ralian-news-operations-with-staff-furloughed/

(I'm sure 'Buzzfeed USA' will continue to cover the LN story, as they did last year eg with stunning investigative stories such as ''Here's How Michael Jackson's Estate And Legacy Have Been Affected By &#8220;Leaving Neverland", which listed the post-LN fallout eg the Louis Vuitton clothing line cancellation, the Simpson's episode removal and the radio stations pulling MJ music. )
 
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NatureCriminal7896 said:
In my opinion the estate should of done a much better job. that's ridiculous for anyone estate. yeah it's great that fans help out etc but you are an estate, you suppose to keep things protect from Michael name etc. smh.[/QUOTE

NO ONE had any idea that this would happen with these bastards and the rest of the co-conspirators would pull this bull@#$&. No one could have prepared for this in ADVANCE. How do you think the Estate could have known and prepared for this??
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terrell;4290164 said:
This is hypocrisy from Oprah. People can dish it out but can not take it: https://www.etonline.com/oprah-winf...she-was-trending-for-an-ugly-false-accusation
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My worst fear realized. Being slandered, accused of a crime I didn’t commit.
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Anything and everything that could sell a tabloid. Every week, another lie to ignore or deny. I never got used to it.
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Oh, poor Oprah. :violin: And she still doesn't seem to realize she was the perpetrator much more often than the victim in what she now complains about. :no:

myosotis;4290158 said:
listed the post-LN fallout eg the Louis Vuitton clothing line cancellation
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OK guys, I think it's over, it's devastating news, I don't think I can be a fan anymore after an important opinion leader like LV thinks otherwise. Bye.
 
ScreenOrigami;4290029 said:
They didn’t even bother to check their own archives. :no:
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They didn't care at all if there was any truth in LN or not, like it wasn't even a subject to consider. They felt covered as they couldn't get sued for slander by law and they practically took advantage of this unfortunate situation without the slightest concern. Disappointing and makes you wonder how many other topics that are thought to be well-investigated and established are bogus in reality.
 
ozemouze said:
They didn't care at all if there was any truth in LN or not, like it wasn't even a subject to consider. They felt covered as they couldn't get sued for slander by law and they practically took advantage of this unfortunate situation without the slightest concern. Disappointing and makes you wonder how many other topics that are thought to be well-investigated and established are bogus in reality.
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This whole fiasco definitely made me question things even more than I used to. Sucks, because it takes the fun out of watching documentaries when you have to double check everything anyway. Might as well skip the documentary and research the topic myself.
 
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