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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Someone on YouTube yesterday replied to me about that analysis video of real victims versus these actors. He/she said victims don't always necessarily have to display pain or horrified emotions because of what happened when they were young.

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Oh I'm sure that not everyone is the same in that, but the reactions from Wade, James and their mothers? Lol.
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And people do not defend a person in court under oath for what these liars claim for 25 years.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
A fan has made a tweet (with many facts exposing him) about Jacobshagen. This is what the asshole claims on social media now.

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A documentary with several witnesses who will prove what really happened. A video from 1999 will prove what comes from Jackson's private archive and he has given it to a friend with the order to increase it in 2003 before the police raided the ranch for alleged sexual abuse of children.

I saw the video from South Africa. The video will be the absolute proof. In June the documentary will be broadcast with over 20 people who will speak there in front of the camera.

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I think it's a mistake of Taj and/or estate to do nothing about him.
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More BS. If anyone had anything creditable it would have been out and surely in the trial 2005. Why don't the cops have this but a doc will? More lies. Look how this doc was boosted and what some media people were saying. Ok, we seen it and now the lies are expose. The media bet not fall of this liar either. they will have egg on their face again.
 
terrell said:
More BS. If anyone had anything creditable it would have been out and surely in the trial 2005. Why don't the cops have this but a doc will? More lies. Look how this doc was boosted and what some media people were saying. Ok, we seen it and now the lies are expose. The media bet not fall of this liar either. they will have egg on their face again.
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Oh it's absolutely bullshit and I want to give this as little attention on Twitter as possible but I just wonder when it's gonna stop. I guess all this exposing of Wade and James for a week or longer now was too good to be true, it just couldn't stay that way. There's just no end to it it seems.

Last week we at least had tabloids reporting on the lies about the train station but now they are back to being what they always done, spreading nothing but bullshit and twisting words completely, in particular now about Mike Smalcombe. We can't count on the "respectable" bigger media at all, so....it's like we're alone in this really. With the kind of shit this annoying German has done, how is he allowed his freedom? He should be locked up for fraud, for threats and for whatever this asshole has planned for June.
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
I hate it that the stupid social media team from the estate put this name on us fans and now it is constatly used against us when we never even called us usself this!!!
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Well, they are MJ haters. That means nothing to me. To seek out the TRUTH about MJ or anyone is what we should do. And I will speak his truth. GOOD thinking people know this. HATERS want to find fault because they have nothing else.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Oh it's absolutely bullshit and I want to give this as little attention on Twitter as possible but I just wonder when it's gonna stop. I guess all this exposing of Wade and James for a week or longer now was too good to be true, it just couldn't stay that way. There's just no end to it it seems.

Last week we at least had tabloids reporting on the lies about the train station but now they are back to being what they always done, spreading nothing but bullshit and twisting words completely, in particular now about Mike Smalcombe. We can't count on the "respectable" bigger media at all, so....it's like we're alone in this really. With the kind of shit this annoying German has done, how is he allowed his freedom? He should be locked up for fraud, for threats and for whatever this asshole has planned for June.
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Again, look who is talking TABLOIDS. I keep saying, this was a media hype story. Do not think the media is not reading about the train issue and saying "dang'. They know. Oprah took everything down. They know they messed up. Again, we listen to haters too much to think everyone is doing it. NOT true.
 
just for those who are outside of the US and may not know this.. Michael jachodummy is not getting much attention here at all. I would say majority of people have not even heard about him..

The only reason I know he's even trying stuff is because I fallow MJ stories, visit forums, and study this crap.
 
terrell said:
Some people cant face the fact that they are wrong. And they need to know this train issue is just ONE lie of the many lies.
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And this train story is just ONE of the many lies. OH wait, the radio is playing MJ now again.SMILE!
 
KOPV said:
just for those who are outside of the US and may not know this.. Michael jachodummy is not getting much attention here at all. I would say majority of people have not even heard about him..

The only reason I know he's even trying stuff is because I fallow MJ stories, visit forums, and study this crap.
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We have not heard nothing about this fool in the United States either.
 
KOPV said:
just for those who are outside of the US and may not know this.. Michael jachodummy is not getting much attention here at all. I would say majority of people have not even heard about him..
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Hope it stays that way. But if he does get to broadcast this on TV, hopefully on some unknown, small as TV channel, it could reach outside of Germany. We'll have to wait and see what happens in June. Which sucks in so many ways because June should be the month we reminisce, not a month to fear that more bullshit dirt could come out.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Hope it stays that way. But if he does get to broadcast this on TV, hopefully on some unknown, small as TV channel, it could reach outside of Germany. We'll have to wait and see what happens in June. Which sucks in so many ways because June should be the month we reminisce, not a month to fear that more bullshit dirt could come out.
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It will be a good month. Also, these fools got to remember that u can beat a dead horse for so long that it starts to backfire. Even this doc has made some who though MJ was guilty rethink. I was in a discussion with someone online last night. She was critical but by the time I laid out the facts to her and even gave example of people falsely accused, she had to admit that she just hate that MJ put himself in a position to be accused like this. See, MOST good thinking people can THINK and want the truth; and when I told her how easy it is to lie on people including her/me, she had to agree.
 
He's always been a no name here in te states.. really only true hardcore MJ haters know of him.. along with big MJ supporters that are online.. on TV, in papers.. NOTHING!
 
[FONT=&quot]https://twitter.com/mikesmallcombe1/status/1115603038104764418

There was no train station in 1990. It started construction in 1993 and was finished in 1994. Period. [/FONT]
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
A fan has made a tweet (with many facts exposing him) about Jacobshagen. This is what the asshole claims on social media now.

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A documentary with several witnesses who will prove what really happened. A video from 1999 will prove what comes from Jackson's private archive and he has given it to a friend with the order to increase it in 2003 before the police raided the ranch for alleged sexual abuse of children.

I saw the video from South Africa. The video will be the absolute proof. In June the documentary will be broadcast with over 20 people who will speak there in front of the camera.

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I think it's a mistake of Taj and/or estate to do nothing about him.
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I understand why people worry about this guy and whatever others are supportive but in England we have this very relevant saying "give him enough rope, he'll hang himself". This being he will be the one who causes his own downfall. It's a tactic I think MJ himself used in life with these stupid stories that followed him.
As much as we wish it wasn't true you can't fight every battle at the same, lets deal with the mess that is leaving neverland first.
 
Why are we still trying to prove the trainstation wasn't there..? lol! we know.
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Smallcombe also tweeted*out Santa Barbara County construction permits showing approval for the building of the structure happened in September 1993.

In response to Smallcombe's revelations, Leaving Neverland director Dan Reed tweeted: "Yeah there seems to be no doubt about the station date. The date they have wrong is the end of the abuse."
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First of all, the original Train Story, with RECEIPTS provided by Mike Smallcombe, has already reached far and wide. The operative word here being "RECEIPTS."

Also what is Dan Greedy going to do now? Change the timeline back. LOL. He's the one who said: "The date they have wrong is the end of the abuse." He dug a huge hole for himself when he spoke on Safechuck's behalf and he only did that to "try" and save his own hide, in my opinion. (He also messed up Safechuck's lawsuit, but that's another story.)

P.S. Mike Smallcombe has recently added a Getty picture to his Twitter Account, dated August 25, 1993, by photographer Steven D. Starr. There is NO train station, only a floral clock. (I would have posted the picture, but I have no idea how to do that.)
 
That's what I did not think from the tabloids, that they neglect official documents to believe books.
Sorry, I forgot it's tabloids.
 
This video is a really great idea!

Please share it together with the other video where a sexual abuse expert compare James and Wade with real sexual abuse (child) victim.
Here you have now the comparisson between Wade & James and Michael Jackson himself as a child abuse victim!

"Michael Jackson DESTROYS Leaving Neverland! from FB Productions
68 views on April 9 2019

 
So it's crystal clear that the train station wasn't there. The Sun claims Bill Whitfield says in his own book that a group of people arrived at the train station in 1990. Something along those lines, they just make it all up and twist the story to fit their narrative. They just don't care at all.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
So it's crystal clear that the train station wasn't there. The Sun claims Bill Whitfield says in his own book that a group of people arrived at the train station in 1990. Something along those lines, they just make it all up and twist the story to fit their narrative. They just don't care at all.
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It's not just not caring, it's full force counter-attack. Mind-blowing.
 
Oh and may I inquire as to the whereabouts of the TWO LIARS, namely Robson and Safechuck. Reed out here losing his mind, while trying to put out all of the fires caused by the lies and/or inconsistencies being revealed in his "mockumentary." While Robson and Safechuck REMAIN in hiding, apparently!!!

They were proudly standing next to Reed in their Billboard photoshoot, now they are nowhere to be found and Reed stands alone.
 
Big Apple NYC said:
Oh and may I inquire as to the whereabouts of the TWO LIARS, namely Robson and Safechuck. Reed out here losing his mind, while trying to put out all of the fires caused by the lies and/or inconsistencies being revealed in his "mockumentary." While Robson and Safechuck REMAIN in hiding, apparently!!!

They were proudly standing next to Reed in their Billboard photoshoot, now they are nowhere to be found and Reed stands alone.
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They are probably at Oprah's house, or on Geffen's yacht.
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona;4254214 said:
I hate the sun! Here is their newest articele:


ANOTHER ***** TWIST*Bombshell Michael Jackson evidence ‘proves’ train station sex abuse took place when James Safechuck said it did

The accounts of two bodyguards and a biographer appear to back the account given by the abuse victim

By Tariq Tahir

9th April 2019,*10:00 am

Updated: 9th April 2019,*11:18 am

MICHAEL Jackson’s Neverland ranch did have a station at the time James Safechuck said he was abused there, according to evidence that has emerged.

Safechuck alleges the*Thriller singer*molested him from 1988 until 1992 including in a room at the railway station Jackson had built at his Neverland ranch.

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James Safechuck's claims that he was molested in a train station in Neverland have been called into question

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Jackson and James Safechuck, who says the singer abused him until he was 14

The allegation was made in the documentary*Leaving Neverland*and also in court documents but defenders of star have pointed to inconsistencies in the account.

Jackson biographer Mike Smallcombe claims that the station was not built until 1994 when the accuser was aged 16.

And Leaving Neverland director Dan Reed was forced into a*seemingly embarrassing U-turn*by the discrepancies in the dates.

But in a new twist, two accounts have emerged that appear to back up*Safechuck’s story*with accounts of how a train station was unveiled in 1990,*the Mirror reports.

In their account of working for*Jackson, former bodyguards Bill Whitfield and Javon Beard both describe how there was a big unveiling ceremony that year.

"In 1990, Michael Jackson opened the gates of his Neverland Valley Ranch to the public for the first time,” they wrote in Remembering The Time: Protecting Michael Jackson In His Final Days.

"Neverland's visitors entered the ranch at its train station, boarding a steam engine that took them up to the main house."

Another account of the station opening came from Randall Sullivan in Untouchable: The Strange Life and Tragic Death of Michael Jackson.

NEW TWIST

Sullivan said: "Reporters invited to tour Neverland at the 1990 public unveiling most often began by inspecting the towering statue of Mercury (the Roman God of profit, trade and commerce) in the drive of the mansion.

"Then climbed a hill out back that led to a near replica of the Main Street train station at Disneyland, with a floral clock that was more magnificent than the one Walt Disney had designed for his own park."

Smallcombe, however, says Jackson was touring his Dangerous album and was also in a rehab centre in London while the station was being built in 1993.

He also added that from February until December in 1994, the year the train station opened, Jackson was living in Trump Tower in New York while recording the HIStory album.

“The latter point is, by the time Jackson was at Neverland and the train station was actually open, it was early 1995, three years after Safechuck said the abuse stopped,” said Smallcombe.

"And by then Safechuck was 17, and on the cusp of adulthood.”

Smallcombe also tweeted*out Santa Barbara County construction permits showing approval for the building of the structure happened in September 1993.

In response to Smallcombe's revelations, Leaving Neverland director Dan Reed tweeted: "Yeah there seems to be no doubt about the station date. The date they have wrong is the end of the abuse."

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Can someone who owned the books confirm that this are true quotes from the book and maybe post the rest what can be read there near the quote?

I don't know why the sun tries to twist this lie that there was a trainstation in neverland when this is impossible.
They also clearly show the train station which were build in 1993/94 in many pictures and not something else.
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Its obviously fake news .why even bother. We know the facts about the t.station
 
They are nowhere cause it is very clear that Reed forced them to make up new stories for his NAMBLA fantasy movie which didn't appear in their lawsuits and are now prooven false and let him fight now alone the battle he had caused himself!

They were not under oath in the documentery so they don't want to bring their appeals in danger which are baised on their lawsuits and had not include this new stories ( and I think were under oath) invented by ther pervert Dan Greed.

Don't forget that Wade and James are egocentric greedy cruel backstabbers!

What they did to MJ they are doing now maybe to Dan Greed!
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
So it's crystal clear that the train station wasn't there. The Sun claims Bill Whitfield says in his own book that a group of people arrived at the train station in 1990. Something along those lines, they just make it all up and twist the story to fit their narrative. They just don't care at all.
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Bill whitfield worked for mj for a few years in the late 00's he knows nothing or his ghost writer knows nothing. Its already a provern fact it did not excist until 94. Move on
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
Bill whitfield worked for mj for a few years in the lates 00's he knows nothing or his gost writer knows nothing. Its already a provern fact it did not excist until 94. Move on
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Yeah I just read that on Twitter now too, my bad on thinking The Sun fabricated that part. It's desperate of them to cling onto this when we have actual proof. Ah well, it's tabloids at the end of the day.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THANK YOU <a href="https://twitter.com/TiffanyHaddish?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TiffanyHaddish</a> for speaking up on the atrocity that is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> and for reminding people to use common sense and to research the FACTS about the case. You were absolutely right to get up and leave when faced with such ignorance. <a href="https://t.co/NltrZkd6oB">pic.twitter.com/NltrZkd6oB</a></p>&mdash; MJJLegion &#9813; (@MJJLegion) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJLegion/status/1115643162293407744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">you literally just reviewed a $0 budget YouTube video I made. ‘Neverland Firsthand’ was created by me, and is not affiliated with the Jackson family or the estate, other than the fact I interviewed 2 family members.</p>&mdash; Liam McEwan (@LiamMcEwan) <a href="https://twitter.com/LiamMcEwan/status/1115369962330177536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At least 3 major UK outlets have picked up inconsistencies in Michael Jackson abuse documentary... yet US media stays silent<a href="https://t.co/F2R83CqRV9">https://t.co/F2R83CqRV9</a></p>&mdash; RT (@RT_com) <a href="https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1115362429960105986?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is a photo of the Neverland Ranch taken on August 25, 1993 by photographer Steven D Starr. On Getty. There is no train station, only a floral clock (top of image). <a href="https://t.co/2dwmt3DsgZ">pic.twitter.com/2dwmt3DsgZ</a></p>&mdash; Mike Smallcombe (@mikesmallcombe1) <a href="https://twitter.com/mikesmallcombe1/status/1115603580029816832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Teddy Riley &amp; Berry Gordy's Granddaughter Stand Up For Her Uncle Michael &amp; Call Out Accusers' Stories <a href="https://t.co/0AU4L03byi">https://t.co/0AU4L03byi</a></p>&mdash; blue S (@magicblue29) <a href="https://twitter.com/magicblue29/status/1115512908941803526?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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