Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Im pretty spiritual, so just wanted to share "a possible sign that hes looking down at us all"

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If he truly had a relationship with her when he was 47 and she was 13....then I can understand this, because that's absolutely nuts. Why all of a sudden this comes out now I don't understand at all though. Had it been a secret all those years?
It wasn't secret (they even married eventually), just these kinds of things were overlooked for decades, or even accepted as a "rock & roll" thing.
So in a way it's understandable the topic is brought up, on the other hand these cases should be judged individually and based on facts.
By singling out particular individuals the focus (and judgement) will be on them instead of the actual theme in question.
 
If he truly had a relationship with her when he was 47 and she was 13....then I can understand this, because that's absolutely nuts. Why all of a sudden this comes out now I don't understand at all though. Had it been a secret all those years?

But when I cuss at MeToo it's because of how Mike is still being treated. People see something, no evidence or anything and so easily he's boycotted and what not. It seems these companies (in this case the venue boss of Paradiso Amsterdam) is driven so far into their MeToo tainted way of thinking that they don't even seem to want to bother investigating it for themselves a little. Nah let's just cancel it all.

Pathetic way of thinking and I hope we get rid of this horrible new way of thinking, or more like.... lack of any thinking, any common sense.

No it's wasn't a secret. The Police were even considering prosecuting him but decided against. He married her when she turned 18.

But I really do think the #MeeToo movement will backfire as it's going from one extreme to the other. People are believing the accusers without any fact checking and some poor sod will unfairly get convicted. That's what they are also doing with MJ.
 
No it's wasn't a secret. The Police were even considering prosecuting him but decided against. He married her when she turned 18.

But I really do think the #MeeToo movement will backfire as it's going from one extreme to the other. People are believing the accusers without any fact checking and some poor sod will unfairly get convicted. That's what they are also doing with MJ.
It is backfiring now. it will get worst when people who they like start getting accused. Joe Biden has been accused and people are going off because people put everyone under the same roof and every case is different and this is going too far. Some people are even saying it on tv. Again, I think with MJ it was/is more a media hype than overall public still (of course MJ haters will always talk).
 
To think about it these "requests for cancel" are most probably initiated by a few self-righteous individuals wanting to feel important, or, as in MJ's case, might be even an orchestrated manipulation. Obeying to their "orders" is actually against the wishes of the majority and borderline censorship. Ironic.
 
To think about it these "requests for cancel" are most probably initiated by a few self-righteous individuals wanting to feel important, or, as in MJ's case, might be even an orchestrated manipulation. Obeying to their "orders" is actually against the wishes of the majority and borderline censorship. Ironic.

I agree. And some go into "panic" mode. Nobody has time for this (but MJfacts people who are the same people and a small group). even some of the people who trashing MJ on twitter. I think they talk because they are trolls and have nothing to do but get into drama. I challenge 3 of them yesterday and bursted them out to find out they are liars and know nothing and then they leave with some wise crack.
 

Ha Jacobshagen claims here that he had met MJ in the 2006 when he was in England ( what I think was in 2005 by the way).
But in the King Jordan Interview we really need uploaded on Youtube he said that he met him the last time in 1999 and had the last phone conversation with him in 2001!!!
 
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I agree. And some go into "panic" mode. Nobody has time for this (but MJfacts people who are the same people and a small group). even some of the people who trashing MJ on twitter. I think they talk because they are trolls and have nothing to do but get into drama. I challenge 3 of them yesterday and bursted them out to find out they are liars and know nothing and then they leave with some wise crack.

There definitly is an big organized MJ Hater for maaaany years.
They always tried to find every new video where MJ is mentioned to make their insulting comments and attacking the people who made positive comments about MJ.
 
Ha Jacobshagen claims here that he had met MJ in the 2006 when he was in England ( what I think was in 2005 by the way).
But in the King Jordan Interview we really nead uploaded on Youtube he said that he met him the last time in 1999 and had the last phone conversation with him in 2001!!!

Good lord the thumbnail on that. Talk about crime stoppers/Most wanted criminals .:coockoo: Near choked on my peanuts.
 
Ha Jacobshagen claims here that he had met MJ in the 2006 when he was in England ( what I think was in 2005 by the way).
But in the King Jordan Interview we really need uploaded on Youtube he said that he met him the last time in 1999 and had the last phone conversation with him in 2001!!!

It was 2006 as he attended the world music awards here in London in Nov 2006
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A REALLY great interview with <a href="https://twitter.com/mikesmallcombe1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@mikesmallcombe1</a>. Thank you for eloquently putting the cold, hard facts out to the world regarding MJ's innocence. A must watch. <a href="https://t.co/XtNe2WNdDg">https://t.co/XtNe2WNdDg</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1115072490877800448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Telling quote from <a href="https://twitter.com/danreed1000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@danreed1000</a> in <a href="https://twitter.com/Slate?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Slate</a> intvw. Those wronged seek justice via courts. &quot;You don't write a novel about it.&quot; So a question: Why did Wade Robson first hire a literary agent to shop (unsuccessfully) MJ allegations in book deal BEFORE filing lawsuit? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://t.co/dtDDd5l0Zs">pic.twitter.com/dtDDd5l0Zs</a></p>&mdash; Steve Dennis (@SteveDennis71) <a href="https://twitter.com/SteveDennis71/status/1115031071186272256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> was the greatest entertainer ever. Not even <a href="https://twitter.com/Oprah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@oprah</a> can change that. Y’all can’t erase him. <a href="https://t.co/QfCGPOfVOG">pic.twitter.com/QfCGPOfVOG</a></p>&mdash; Bishop Talbert Swan (@TalbertSwan) <a href="https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1115217424830349312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="und" dir="ltr">- &#128175;&#128175;&#128175;&#128175;&#128175;&#128175;&#8252;&#65039; <a href="https://twitter.com/Oprah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@oprah</a> <a href="https://t.co/XIkyjlzJsz">https://t.co/XIkyjlzJsz</a></p>&mdash; loripetty (@loripetty) <a href="https://twitter.com/loripetty/status/1114701536444071938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I gave MJ editorial control .. told him he could take it out if he wanted .. my goal was to set up the world’s Greatest Tour MJ &amp; MC !!!! He told me he loves it and he left it in !!! It was all in good spirit &#128378;&#127999;&#128378;&#127999;&#128378;&#127999;&#128378;&#127999; <a href="https://t.co/Zzlnwl4Tyj">https://t.co/Zzlnwl4Tyj</a></p>&mdash; MC HAMMER (@MCHammer) <a href="https://twitter.com/MCHammer/status/1114621035037511680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a>, a lot of you may be unaware of who <a href="https://twitter.com/AutumnJoi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AutumnJoi</a> is. Autumn Jackson is the daughter of Jermaine Jackson and the granddaughter of Motown’s founder, Berry Gordy! FOLLOW HER NOW! She’s been on the frontlines fighting LN like her cousins <a href="https://twitter.com/BJackson82?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BJackson82</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> <a href="https://t.co/HStBWFSZN9">pic.twitter.com/HStBWFSZN9</a></p>&mdash; Dr. Andrew Greene (@AndrewGreene864) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewGreene864/status/1114378150690029568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> HAS BEEN DERAILED! <a href="https://t.co/7hITEY1e2Y">https://t.co/7hITEY1e2Y</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RT?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RT</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJTruthSquad?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJTruthSquad</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FactsDontLiePeopleDo?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FactsDontLiePeopleDo</a></p>&mdash; KerryWard (@FallAgainMJ) <a href="https://twitter.com/FallAgainMJ/status/1114636268669952001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is amazing. Thanks so much to the Dutch fans! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/OoPms5ZRKi">https://t.co/OoPms5ZRKi</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1115251678456897537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I wish i can fly there so i can raise my middle finger as well to that f**** HBO.. <br>I admire this Man for doing this. &#128079;&#128079;&#128079;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJinnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJinnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/boycottHBO?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#boycottHBO</a> <a href="https://t.co/qehMo06Y9x">pic.twitter.com/qehMo06Y9x</a></p>&mdash; Anne Zaragoza-Barcelon (@parisathanne) <a href="https://twitter.com/parisathanne/status/1114892065718976512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This lady is absolutely right. Leaving Neveland looks staged. <a href="https://twitter.com/Oprah?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Oprah</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/HBOPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HBOPR</a> with all the money your organizations have made from ambulance chasing, and hosting B grade entertainment, respectively, one might think you could have done a better job. <a href="https://t.co/GoVXwG96S9">https://t.co/GoVXwG96S9</a></p>&mdash; Michael Luther King (@kanyejackson5) <a href="https://twitter.com/kanyejackson5/status/1114932034458333185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A new edition of the WATZ podcast is now out. It is a must listen for critics of Dan Reed’s HBO fraudulent film <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> &amp; anyone interested in the strange feud I’m bizarrely enduring with the creator of 1 of my favorite TV shows <a href="https://twitter.com/TheGoldbergsABC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheGoldbergsABC</a><a href="https://t.co/PTnPn1DZYh">https://t.co/PTnPn1DZYh</a></p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1114989204453216256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJfam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJfam</a>: This just happened during a dance intermission for 'Invincible: A Glorious Tribute To <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a>'! Look at all the new generation Michael Jackson fans!!! &#10084;&#65039; <a href="https://t.co/exB2q8Pk8D">pic.twitter.com/exB2q8Pk8D</a></p>&mdash; &#7437;&#640;s. &#7434;&#7424;&#7428;&#7435;s&#7439;&#628; (@RideTheBoogie) <a href="https://twitter.com/RideTheBoogie/status/1114709088078790657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“STOP PRESSURING ME...YOU MAKE ME WANT TO SCREAM!!!” Even in death, Michael Jackson has to still endure the crude cold untrue unproven accusations...the taunting and scrutiny. I allow my performance of “Scream” to speak on his behalf and on my behalf. <a href="https://t.co/lp5wTkmjDF">pic.twitter.com/lp5wTkmjDF</a></p>&mdash; Jonathan “Sugarfoot” Moffett (@jmoffettmjm) <a href="https://twitter.com/jmoffettmjm/status/1115294958779416577?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am in the chat at the Michael Jackson Innocent Project Live Stream<a href="https://t.co/rmZRXDkaaN">https://t.co/rmZRXDkaaN</a><br>Join in you can, live stream starts in 30 min&#128077;&#127997;</p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1115305886811975680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RT It's actually a good article to tweet - <a href="https://t.co/vssIY51VJ7">https://t.co/vssIY51VJ7</a> -- <a href="https://t.co/DPGfljcSiH">https://t.co/DPGfljcSiH</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1115129976825634819?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On April 6, in one of the Moscow clubs, fans of MJ from Russia organized an Act of protest against slander and lies around his name We had been watching fantastic MJ-videos for 8 hours and took pictures with a photo of MJInnocent <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Mjvibe?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Mjvibe</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheMJCast?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheMJCast</a> <a href="https://t.co/Zk7fzEIpxy">pic.twitter.com/Zk7fzEIpxy</a></p>&mdash; Elena Orlovskaya (@ElenaOrlovskay2) <a href="https://twitter.com/ElenaOrlovskay2/status/1114998207279435779?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;The real friend comes to you when everyone else is fleeing.&quot; - P. Aretino <a href="https://t.co/5zxHRzprI7">pic.twitter.com/5zxHRzprI7</a></p>&mdash; Marina Ivanova (@marinapreslava) <a href="https://twitter.com/marinapreslava/status/1114966022262542336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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wendijane;4254111 said:
Good lord the thumbnail on that. Talk about crime stoppers/Most wanted criminals .:coockoo: Near choked on my peanuts.

I don't condone violence and like Mike I'm more of a lover than a fighter, haha. But I can't deny that Jacobshagen’s face is very... sorry...not sorry...punchable! Very punchable. I mean, Wade and Reed's faces already pissed me off but that German? Jesus.

As for his new claims....deserves only one reply... LOL!
 
Ah , Great tweet from Lori. Kisses . Love her !.Absolutely adored tank girl !! :heart:

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See the latest person to lie on a serious issue. This is more common than people think.

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I asked the advocat Noémie Houchet-Tran if she thinks that the Estate as part of her lawsuit against HBO, can ask the channels that have - also - broadcast this documentary compensation from them?
Answer: It seems to me possible yes
 
1nn5;4254130 said:
I asked the advocat Noémie Houchet-Tran if she thinks that the Estate as part of her lawsuit against HBO, can ask the channels that have - also - broadcast this documentary compensation from them?
Answer: It seems to me possible yes

No they cannot. They are suing HBO on the ground that they breached a provision in a contract they had entered into with MJ. On what basis would they sue other channels?

If HBO is found to have indeed breached its contractual obligations with MJ, would HBO be responsible towards the estate for damages caused by other channels airing this film? Absolutely.
 
No they cannot. They are suing HBO on the ground that they breached a provision in a contract they had entered into with MJ. On what basis would they sue other channels?

If HBO is found to have indeed breached its contractual obligations with MJ, would HBO be responsible towards the estate for damages caused by other channels airing this film? Absolutely.

I don't know if you knows more than it.
 
ozemouze;4254105 said:
To think about it these "requests for cancel" are most probably initiated by a few self-righteous individuals wanting to feel important, or, as in MJ's case, might be even an orchestrated manipulation. Obeying to their "orders" is actually against the wishes of the majority and borderline censorship. Ironic.

These “requests for cancel” are definitely orchestrated manipulation. I read that there were only a HANDFUL of so-called requests to remove the statue from the McDonalds. The media manipulation made it seem as if there were hundreds of request, Remember that ALL of this is orchestrated by the media and those involved in this hoax/conspiracy. I have not heard even one person where I work, discuss or even mention this crap. Therefore, all of this cancel talk is being perpetuated by the media, and hired guns of Dan Greed, ROBson, SafeCHECK and the other perpetrators(Oprah, Geffen, Weinstein, etc.) There is notnas much public backlash as the media tries to imply.
 
Ha Jacobshagen claims here that he had met MJ in the 2006 when he was in England ( what I think was in 2005 by the way).
But in the King Jordan Interview we really need uploaded on Youtube he said that he met him the last time in 1999 and had the last phone conversation with him in 2001!!!

This is the King Jordan Radio show you wanted right?

 
This is the King Jordan Radio show you wanted right?


Yes ..... thank you.
Share it guys when someone want to belive this froud.

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Here is the 3 Hours (!) Podcast from the Michael Jackson Innocent Project with Taj


I will listen to it later.

Congratulations to the Michael Jackson Innocent Project to reach 10 000 subscribers in only a few weeks!
 
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Thanks to respect

Putin media now pics up on the case and uses it to call out US media. This is hilarious.


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They talk about Jacobshagen with Taj in the Michael Jackson Innocent Project Podcast at 1:02:20!

I really love to listen to this podcast!
Taj really gets really better and beter from interview to interview in defending Michael and his legacy!
I am absolutly proud of him and Brandy!!!!
 
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So ...Joy Robson told many people back in the day that she was in love wih Michael!
Interesting!

This fits very well to the testemonys that she was always around Michael when Wade was around Michael and slept also in his bedroom with Michael ( in his bed)!!
 
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