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terrell said:
I disagree. when Mj was alive he was called this name in the press from Foxnews o CNN, etc. In the United States, this word is a racist word. It does not matter what it means somewhere else. the bottom line, to know the orgin of this word would make blacks angry. Sorry but it will be looked as another way to insult someone who I black. This is why people just need to call people by the name they want or the name they were born with; by doing so, there wont be anger over these kind of words.
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Speaking of Fox News Bill O 'Reilly was once accused of sexual harassment and paid his "accuser" off http://national.suntimes.com/national-politics/7/72/1140588/bill-oreilly-sexual-harassment-lawsuit/ I remember he went on tv to explain why he paid.....and said he did it for "family reasons" not wanting this dragged through he mud etc. Talk about being a hypocrite!
 
redfrog said:
Remember MJ was known in the UK before 1985. They did not call him *****. Neither did they call any of his brothers or his father *****. They don't call Jesse Jackson ***** or Peter Jackson *****.

No, the only famous Jackson who has been systematically called by the white media ***** is MJ POST-THRILLER POST-ATV CATALOG!
That's not a coincidence. If it was just a nickname why didn't they call him ***** in 1980? Or why didn't they call Jermaine or Janet Jackson *****?

It's not just the toy. Jacco Maccaco was a fighting ape in 19th century London.
Jacco's fame may have been associated with the rise of a Cockney slang word for a monkey "Murkauker" in the middle of the 19th century (although this was already obsolete by the 1890s),[17][18] and "Jacco Macacco" itself was at least sometimes used as a generalised term for a monkey at the same period.

It didn't take a genius in the UK to know about this history. And there's more.
Reducing black names was common tactic by racist whites to signal that the black man was less than the white man.
Slaves got their names from their owner and they never had two names just one.
Reducing a black man's name from Jackson to ***** is racist to the core!
It's the same when the racist white press called Jack Johnson Jackie.
It's the same as calling black man boys.

And you can be sure the British press was fully aware of that history so is the American press and the Australian press.
And they started this whole ***** ***** bullshit. Other countries like Germany, Hungary, Russia may have not seen
this name as derogatory. But they were not the ones who started it. The ones who started it were racist whites
in the Anglo-American world. And after 1997 they knew that MJ hated the name. They still kept calling him.
A name you hate cannot be your nickname. It can only be an insult.

The fact is that no other person has been treated by the global media as abhorrently for as long as MJ has been.
There is no other person in history who has been successfully branded as a serial child molester by the global media
when the evidence of his innocence is so overwhelming.

His case is in a league of its own. And it would not be if MJ had been white.
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Not a single lie was told.
 
That's not a coincidence. If it was just a nickname why didn't they call him ***** in 1980? Or why didn't they call Jermaine or Janet Jackson ****
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I already answered that previously interms of how such nicknames. are used in the UK and countries such as AUS.

I totally understand that some think the term is used against mj in a derogatory (sp) way and that maybe the case in america but personally as i said before i dont give the media in the Uk the credit for searching back centuries to see how the name was used back then especially when the name is used so widely in the uk and has no racial conitations what so ever. what im trying to explain is how the name is used outside of America. What the nickname means to people from the UK AUS etc. If you arent from those countries i guess you are finding it difficult to understand how the name is used. What people need to understand as i and others have said is the nickname j ***** is not used as a slur in the UK etc its a common knickname the same as macca,gibbo smithy etc etc etc. Like i said earlier about the book written by a white football managers wife. The book is called my life with "j****". The name is used with no malice so as said earlier when joe blogs/ john doe in the uk calls mj j**** yes as a fan i cringe cause i know mj didnt like it but i know its not done in a degrogatary fashion because thats just how the name is used in the U.K You can post all that info about the history of the word which is good to know but the bottom line its irrelevent because in modern day U.K etc people arent even aware of the how the name was used centuries ago. It has a totally different meaning now and has nothing to do with racial slurs etc.

Anyway we are going round in circles lets get back (unfortunatly) to physco murray
 
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Some other famous people who were nicknamed J.acko in the media, according to Wikipedia:

Nickname
J.acko Barry (born 1975), Irish darts player (Full name: Jason Barry)
J.acko Gill (born 1994), New Zealand shot putter (Full name: Jackson Gill)
J.acko Heaslip (1899–1966), Irish cricketer (Full name: John Ganley Heaslip)
Mark "J.acko" Jackson (born 1959), Australian rules footballer (Full name: Mark Alexander Jackson)
Hidalgo Moya (1920-1994), American architect (sometimes known as J.acko Moya)
J.acko Page (born 1959), British Army general (Full name: Johnathan David Page)

Michael's listed down the page, but it references the full W.acko J.acko nickname. And heres some other people with Jackson in their name, who are either referred to as J.acko one way or another:
Some more:
Fallen soldier with last name Jackson, called "J.acko" by media
Man called Jack gets his namename "J.acko" tattooed on himself
Jackson Strong, often referred to as J.acko in the post
Josh Jackson, referred to as "J.acko" by his mate
Johnnie Jackson, referred to as "J.acko" by his mate
David Jackson, nicknamed "J.acko"
Big Brother star Jackson Blyte, referred to as "J.acko"
Big Brother star BB Jackson (idk if different from the one I just posted), referred to as "J.acko"
League player Peter Jackson repeatedly called "J.acko"
AFL player Jackson Trengrove referred to as "J.acko"
Irish rugby player Paddy Jackson referred to as "J.acko" by mates
Ruaridh Jackson reffered to as "J.acko"
Pro-Skateboarder(?) Jackson Shapiera's referred to as "J.acko"
Sports player Bob Jackson, referred to as "J.acko"
Glen Jackson referred to as "J.acko" by mates

This is from about 15ish minutes of looking through Google News. Some newspapers call them Jackson more than J.acko, others vice versa. Many times their mates will refer to them as J.acko too. My point is, it is not completely uncommon to see people with the name Jackson to be called J.acko by mates or the media. Hence likely why many people who call him "J.acko" (by itself) may not see much of a problem with it. Once again, I really dislike people calling him by that nickname, just trying to explain how non-MJ fans unaware of Michael's dislike for the name might see it.

Oh and just like not every McCartney in the media is referred to as "Macca" (even if I'm sure a good number are), we're not always going to see every Jackson called "J.acko".

redfrog;4159431 said:
Remember MJ was known in the UK before 1985. They did not call him *****. Neither did they call any of his brothers or his father *****.
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In all honesty, I think a very good part of it came from the fact that the common term "W.acko" happened to rhyme with "J.acko". The reason why it started around that time was because that was when in their eyes, Michael started doing weird things. Jermaine, Janet, Joseph etc on the other hand didn't do any of those unusual activities and given J.acko became synonymous with Michael, to avoid confusion, the media likely kept it solely attached to Michael.

I definitely believe that those who started the nickname were aware of the racial connotations, but once it's use grew out of control... most people saying definitely would honestly not recognise any racial connotations in it. For example, I have seen a number of black people call Michael by that term on Facebook, for example.

redfrog;4159431 said:
It didn't take a genius in the UK to know about this history.
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Genius no, but a fighting monkey from 200 years ago would definitely not be public knowledge, even to those who have taken classes on UK history. Especially when their names are spelt differently.

redfrog;4159431 said:
Reducing black names was common tactic by racist whites to signal that the black man was less than the white man.
Slaves got their names from their owner and they never had two names just one.
Reducing a black man's name from Jackson to ***** is racist to the core!
It's the same when the racist white press called Jack Johnson Jackie.
It's the same as calling black man boys.
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I agree with most of the quoted part except you lost me a bit on the bolded part. I know slave owners gave their slaves usually just one name, but was it really common behaviour for the racist slave owners to take their actual name, shorten it and give that as their new name, as you are suggesting?

In all honesty, the bolded part I think you push it and it hurts the credibility of your argument (not that I disagree with the argument in general about how the nickname has racist backgrounds). If reducing a black man's name is racist to the core, then theoretically, wouldn't most people on here (including myself) be racist for shortening Michael to Mike and calling him that?
 
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Good to see the majority of my fellow NZers aren't falling for Conrad Murray's crap:
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And Cherie, you think wrong.
 
Mod note: Remember this is a thread about Conrad Murray and not nick names given to MJ. Please stay on topic and for the discussion of any nick names use/start another thread.
 
I love the whole Murray is a scapegoat mindset. It's just wonderfully ignorant and 100% "let's blame W.acko for all his issues seeing as he was such a freak1!!1". Pathetic.
 
Media agenda for 25 years .mj was a subhuman who should be treated like dirt and was not normal.turn the public against him . Tell a lie often enough...
 
Read an Australian interview with Murray last night. Said the book was off to a slow launch not helped by many one star reviews on Amazon.
Good.
 
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Conrad is a w@ck0!
 
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KOPV said:
am I just lost or what? why are people turning J@ck0 into a race thing? What connotation does that word have to race?
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Please start a new thread on this, as Ivy said. Redfrogs posts alone explain the racist connotations of the name as it applied to Michael.
Don't think people (especially millennials) today have any idea how hurtful/hateful this is.
 
Goddess4Real said:
Speaking of Fox News Bill O 'Reilly was once accused of sexual harassment and paid his "accuser" off http://national.suntimes.com/national-politics/7/72/1140588/bill-oreilly-sexual-harassment-lawsuit/ I remember he went on tv to explain why he paid.....and said he did it for "family reasons" not wanting this dragged through he mud etc. Talk about being a hypocrite!
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Before Bill's incidents happen, Bill called MJ a "pervert"-rushing to judgement on November 18, 2003. I was mad. Of course, a month or two later, Look what happen to him regardless if it was true or not. See why it is not good to rush to Judgment. either way, Bill looked stupid.
 
I know the estate really can't stop Conrat from publishing his revolting book etc, but I wish at least they had released a statement condemning his latest actions etc
 
barbee0715 said:
Please start a new thread on this, as Ivy said. Redfrogs posts alone explain the racist connotations of the name as it applied to Michael.
Don't think people (especially millennials) today have any idea how hurtful/hateful this is.
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It's like I said before.
Some people don't know about the racism Michael faced/faces both in and outside of the music industry, either that or even when presented with evidence of it they'll pretend like it didn't/doesn't exist, which is stupid as all get out.
Ivy is right.
There really does need to be a thread to educate people about that stuff.

Anywho, back on topic.

I hope that media outlets start a smear campaign on Conrat Murderer if and when people realize that his book is full of disgusting lies.
Sadly, I doubt that will happen.
 
Pink Diamond Princess said:
I hope that media outlets start a smear campaign on Conrat Murderer if and when people realize that his book is full of disgusting lies. Sadly, I doubt that will happen.
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It will eventually die down when something else dominates the news cycle, eg The Olympics, nude pics of Orlando Bloom :bugeyed:hysterical: etc.
 
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When Michael Jackson met Conrad Murray, Conrad was married. They had two children together and lived in a lovely home in a nice neighborhood in Las Vegas. If anyone has problems with younger women, it is Conrad Murray. He keeps selling stories to the tabloids so he can keep his lifestyle going.


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Conrad Murray's wife, Blanche and daughter, Camille, in 2009​
 
Today, Murray was on the TOM Joyner morning show. Let just say the show host Tom, Sybil- who read the book and did a great job, and J Anothy. Sybil did not hold nothing back even told him straight up " you are trying to make money off of Michael" You are bring old tabloid stuff and not talking about your self. Murraty tried to discredit Sybil by saying "you have not read the book". Sybil came back and said "yes I have and it is not worth it". She went all in on him. Tom heard what was reported but he refuse to read it because he know it is nonsense and J Anthony was in agreement with Tom and Sybil. I can not remember the rest in what they told him word for word but they got up in his tail until he could not say nothing but sounded stupid and became silent. And someone texted Tom and said "Murray is going to keep on pushing it until someone is going to get up in his @#$ for bothering MJ". It was great.
 
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One thing we have to remember is that the public knows who Conrad is... the person that killed Michael, that alone destroys majority of credibility just with that fact... While the general public can easily be tricked, they still have brains lol... most anyway!
 
I read an article that referred to Murray's book as a "best seller". That's not true, is it? The hard copy is not even out.
 
That book would not be a best seller even if he gave the book away!
 
Hahahaha. I can't imagine how looney you'd have to be to buy/read his book. I'm shocked he's getting press.
 
barbee0715 said:
I read an article that referred to Murray's book as a "best seller". That's not true, is it? The hard copy is not even out.
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Maybe if they listed it under the toilet paper category for $0.10
 
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