"Breaking News" All General Discussion Here [Merged]

[mjbunny]

Okey guys, listen... did u remember that smooth said it will be the BIGGEST promotion for an artist ever??? maybe this is a PR STUNT???

I keep praying for that. I thought it was a joke at first. I was waiting for them to announce "Hahaha! Ok, here's the REAL version of Breaking News!" ... but it didn't come. It's gone on kind of long for a joke. But I still have that little hope inside.

To me, it's quite clear that certain members of the Jackson camp have an agenda here, releasing statements about some tracks being false etc...They have done this knowing full well that many "hardcore" MJ fans would instantly buy into it and become skeptical, which is exactly what has happened!

Like some others stated, I didn't believe the family at all. Maybe it's sad, but when certain members of the family talk (like LaToya, lol, sorry) I tend to take it with a HUGE grain of salt. :lol: I fully expected to hear MICHAEL. Absolutely. I could have never thought that Sony would pull something like that. Unbelievable! As soon as the vocals started I was like ... who the hell is that singing?! Obviously not Michael. I couldn't believe. Couldn't believe the "fake vocal" rumors were true. I mean, that sounded so crazy. Who would do that?! Apparently Sony would. :doh:

why woul mcclain say they are fake after giving all the suppsed goods away? that doesn't make sense..why not say they are real, and give away fake tracks?

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Sony outright buy those 12 tracks directly from Eddie Cascio? Smooth had written over this past summer that Cascio had these completed tracks (the "MJ Song Book", registered on June 27, 2009) that he was shopping around to Sony, Universal, etc, looking for the highest bidder. It's my understanding that the estate only has control over what THEY turn over to Sony. If Sony buys other stuff, the estate has nothing to do with it, right? That's why Jackie was saying that he and McClain were fighting with Sony over these tracks, but Sony won. The estate didn't have the final say on those.

 

[123Jam]

personally i think the song is Michael, but snippets all put together, i dont think the quality of the recordings was to great which resulted in an overly produced sound.

there is no reason they should have hired someone to sing and say he was michael because the studio could have easily looped Michael voice and put segments together entirely out of Michael voice.

 

[ivy]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Sony outright buy those 12 tracks directly from Eddie Cascio? Smooth had written over this past summer that Cascio had these completed tracks (the "MJ Song Book", registered on June 27, 2009) that he was shopping around to Sony, Universal, etc, looking for the highest bidder. It's my understanding that the estate only has control over what THEY turn over to Sony. If Sony buys other stuff, the estate has nothing to do with it, right? That's why Jackie was saying that he and McClain were fighting with Sony over these tracks, but Sony won. The estate didn't have the final say on those.

hmm I don't think so. I think I saw the registration previously and Michael is listed on the copyright - correct me if I'm wrong. Therefore estate would have copyright claim on them and Michael's name and likeliness is under their control as well.

Therefore I believe that in order to publish the songs estates approval is needed.

the shopping around was probably for Eddie Cascio copyrights of the songs. I believe he's also listed on the "MJ song book" and in order to publish these songs they need to get his approval as well.

About who selects the songs to be on the album - the final say - we really need to see the contract between the parties. However hearing that the songs were picked against McClain makes me think that Sony has the decision power.

 

[tofdel1]

Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

just a question is the version of "Breaking news" now on Michaeljackson.com different to the version of "Breaking news" released Sunday night/Monday morning?

That is what I was thinking. To me the 1st time Sunday night sounded like Malachi or someone. It sounded awful. The version now sounds more Michael in it, but still someone else too. I think they are trying to see what is passible.

 

[Richard723]

Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

That is what I was thinking. To me the 1st time Sunday night sounded like Malachi or someone. It sounded awful. The version now sounds more Michael in it, but still someone else too. I think they are trying to see what is passible.

I think our ears are just playing tricks because we want it to be Michael so bad.
It's still the same.

 

[GinnyJackson]

wow even harvey levin was fooled.

http://links.visibli.com/links/8a398f

 

[ivy]

^^

I tend to think that he knows more than he shows. He (and even Roger Friedman) seems overly confident that it's Michael, hence I believe they are privy to some sort of information.

 

[moonball29]

Re: "Breaking News" All Discussion Here [Merged]

I think our ears are just playing tricks because we want it to be Michael so bad.
It's still the same.

Agreed. I'm not hearing anything different from what we were originally given.

 

[mjbunny]

hmm I don't think so. I think I saw the registration previously and Michael is listed on the copyright - correct me if I'm wrong. Therefore estate would have copyright claim on them and Michael's name and likeliness is under their control as well.

Therefore I believe that in order to publish the songs estates approval is needed.

the shopping around was probably for Eddie Cascio copyrights of the songs. I believe he's also listed on the "MJ song book" and in order to publish these songs they need to get his approval as well.

About who selects the songs to be on the album - the final say - we really need to see the contract between the parties. However hearing that the songs were picked against McClain makes me think that Sony has the decision power.

Hmmm. It's confusing, yeah, because when the agreement was made I thought they said that the estate had the creative control and could choose which tracks they wanted and hand them over to Sony for an album. The Cascio tracks were purchased by Sony, not the estate. Hmmm, so if McClain didn't have the say, it would seem like the estate doesn't have control over non-Estate-owned tracks (even if MJ is a cowriter?). Don't know. After reading 70 pages of this stuff today, my brain is fried, lol. :blink:

 

[mjjmsc]

Very true. I think he wanted to put all that behind him and focus on positive things like writing songs for his fans who had stuck by him!

Michael had been trought a lot and in any album he included personal songs that reflect his feelings...so this with breaking news is very normal...and Michael was not all positive...i'm sorry guys...he was negative a lot of time...look at History...but i just love him all!

 

[JMie]

I just want to say that after the Estate announcement when (hopefully) it's proved once and for all that it is Michael singing Breaking News, the Cascio songs that have already been chosen for the album should NOT be excluded. Because why would the songs be excluded from the album if it's Michael? Just because the fandom has been screaming for a week that it is not? Well, in this case, it's not the song that is tarnished , it's the fandom.

 

[HIStory]

^^

I tend to think that he knows more than he shows. He (and even Roger Friedman) seems overly confident that it's Michael, hence I believe they are privy to some sort of information.

They are just bought by Sony IMO. At least Levin. Friedman is very, very pro-Cascio, always have been. He was the first to ever report about the Cascio songs and praises them ever since (meanwhile he says things like Invincible was a bad album. But BN is sooooooo great. Yeah, right.....) I assume there must be some personal connection between him and the Cascios and that's why he hypes them so much. I know they talked to him during the trial....

 

[HIStory]

I just want to say that after the Estate announcement when (hopefully) it's proved once and for all that it is Michael singing Breaking News, the Cascio songs that have already been chosen for the album should NOT be excluded. Because why would the songs be excluded from the album if it's Michael? Just because the fandom has been screaming for a week that it is not? Well, in this case, it's not the song that is tarnished , it's the fandom.

How do you know they will announce that?

 

[JMie]

How do you know they will announce that?

I don't know for sure so I said "hopefully".

 

[HIStory]

I don't know for sure so I said "hopefully".

If they announce that it won't change anything. Sony also announced that the tracks weren't fake, but it's not convincing.

How come the only songs ever where MJ doesn't sound like MJ are these Cascio songs? And on none of those he sounds like MJ....

 

[JMie]

If they announce that it won't change anything. Sony also announced that the tracks weren't fake, but it's not convincing.

How come the only songs ever where MJ doesn't sound like MJ are these Cascio songs? And on none of those he sounds like MJ....

I don't want to argue with anybody. Everybody has their opinion. I will just say that you can't know for sure that it won't change anything. You don't know what they will say. No one knows.

 

[Chris_Jones]

I can't believe ppl are still arguing 'fact' when we still have no idea what the situation is.

No one here knows if it's Michael or not. So far we have been told from various sources

1. It IS MJ singing
2. Mr Porte provided BV
3. It's not Jason Malachi

But of course even though 'we' get the answers we so angrily demand 'we' have to then argue about them and forever go around in circles.

It's Michael, it's not, it is, its not...... Pantomime anyone?

 

[PYTnanana]

In the new version up I think I can hear more MJ because it is less processed? But I'd rather hear an unprocessed demo.

 

[moonball29]

How come the only songs ever where MJ doesn't sound like MJ are these Cascio songs? And on none of those he sounds like MJ....

This.

 

[JacoPOP]

Because they were recorded in the same place at the same time.
That's it.

Of course "do you know where you children are" sounds different and more MJish, it's been recorded 25 years earlier. And we have a LOAD of material of that period to compare.

I think Sony decided to put this song because it was one of the last Michael ever recorded. It was intended as a gift.

Maybe they are 100% sure it's him, they are also reading forums laughing and saying... "look at those shit stirrers, they can't even recognise their idol" ^^

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Because they were recorded in the same place at the same time.
That's it.

Of course "do you know where you children are" sounds different and more MJish, it's been recorded 25 years earlier. And we have a LOAD of material of that period to compare.

I think Sony decided to put this song because it was one of the last Michael ever recorded. It was a gift.

Maybe they are 100% sure it's him, they are also reading forums laughing and saying... "look at those shit stirrers, they can't even recognise their idol" ^^

First, regarding "Do you know where your children are", it doesn't sound more MJish, it IS Michael Jackson.

Second, regarding not being able to recognize our own idol in "Breaking news", I think is completely justified and legitimate, because it doesn't sound Michael Jackson, but it sounds MJ-ish.

 

[Kirshach]

I've just watched This Is It once more and now again I'm completely sure it's not MJ in BN... I'm changing my opinion like every time I listen to the song. Anyway, the voice on Breaking News (even if it's Michael's) is completely different from TII, the movie I mean. Completely :scratch:

 

[jemini515]

Even if some hard evidence such as video footage of Michael recording Breaking News at the Cascios materializes (though obviously extremely unlikely, regardless of the authenticity of the tracks), I still would NOT feel bad about my current doubt about this track. Given the evidence I have now-- the streamed track, the a cappella, and accounts from many sources -- I have my own opinion. If new evidence emerges I'm willing to take it as it comes. But I would never look back and regret my thoughts during this investigation even if I'm proven wrong. I can only do the best I can with what I've been presented with to date.

 

[144000]

i wish people would stop blaming the fans for all this. no matter howi t turns out, it's not our fault we went through this. things sound different. we worry..that's not our fault. we don't just let anything pass our ears. if anything, that makes MJ more appreciable.
we didn't make the different sounds, members of the family complained and told us stuff was fishy. things sound weird. that's the doings of those in the studios..not us. that's always the case in any music situation. it's the record company's job to make the fans happy. not the fans' job to make the company happy. we're spending the money.

 

[jemini515]

i wish people would stop blaming the fans for all this. no matter howi t turns out, it's not our fault we went through this. things sound different. we worry..that's not our fault. we don't just let anything pass our ears. if anything, that makes MJ more appreciable.

Here here! Regardless of what conclusion each fan has come to, we have all listened, analyzed and thought carefully, which is WAY more than can be said of a lot of other people in this world (no disrespect to them) who accept whatever is presented to them as music. MJ fans are perceptive and smart.

 

[Laura_Jo]

I don't know why people keep saying 'of course he sounds different on BN'. Um, why? His voice has never 'sounded different' before - in fact since puberty it has always sounded exactly the same. Listen to the live singing on TII. Train your ears better. The only way in which his voice has developed is that it has become more gravely as he's matured - this again makes no sense in this context as the voice on BN sounds way too soft! That voice is bland and characterless, an imitator straining their hardest to do a good MJ impression.

The people saying 'The more I listen to BN the more it sounds like Michael!' are cracking me up the most! Especially those thinking Sony have swapped in some additional MJ vocals on the version online. Yeaaaah, they had spare MJ vocals but they just used the impersonator for fun! Obviously the more you listen to something the less you'll recognise its flaws as they become 'normal' to your ear...

Please people, this is important. If you think it's Michael, fine, you'll get your album whatever. The people like me who are convinced it's not Michael we have to fight for his reputation! He would be horrified by this state of affairs!

 

[HIStory]

I don't know why people keep saying 'of course he sounds different on BN'. Um, why? His voice has never 'sounded different' before - in fact since puberty it has always sounded exactly the same. Listen to the live singing on TII. Train your ears better. The only way in which his voice has developed is that it has become more gravely as he's matured - this again makes no sense in this context as the voice on BN sounds way too soft! That voice is bland and characterless, an imitator straining their hardest to do a good MJ impression.

The people saying 'The more I listen to BN the more it sounds like Michael!' are cracking me up the most! Especially those thinking Sony have swapped in some additional MJ vocals on the version online. Yeaaaah, they had spare MJ vocals but they just used the impersonator for fun! Obviously the more you listen to something the less you'll recognise its flaws as they become 'normal' to your ear...

Please people, this is important. If you think it's Michael, fine, you'll get your album whatever. The people like me who are convinced it's not Michael we have to fight for his reputation! He would be horrified by this state of affairs!

Co-sign.

 

[doitandyourdead]

a statement in 2 mins

 

[Reeta]

I can't believe ppl are still arguing 'fact' when we still have no idea what the situation is.

No one here knows if it's Michael or not. So far we have been told from various sources

1. It IS MJ singing
2. Mr Porte provided BV
3. It's not Jason Malachi

But of course even though 'we' get the answers we so angrily demand 'we' have to then argue about them and forever go around in circles.

It's Michael, it's not, it is, its not...... Pantomime anyone?

Just to be fair you forgot "4. It's not MJ" from your list, which has also been told from various sources.

 

[Laura_Jo]

a statement in 2 mins

Says who? I'm getting ready to pierce my head on a large spike when they say 'After a thorough investigation we have concluded the vocals ARE Michael Jackson'. UGH! uke: