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What do You Think Now???

  • Now im Sure Its Michael!!!

    Votes: 89 21.4%

  • I Still Think its Not him!!!

    Votes: 223 53.7%

  • I now think that its Michael, but still have my doubts!!

    Votes: 24 5.8%

  • Im Confused!!!!

    Votes: 79 19.0%
  • Total voters
    415
  • Poll closed .
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Re: The Estate NEEDS to see this: REAL evidence of the Cascio tracks being fake!!!

Ok guys, don't get me wrong , i agree that this is ridiculous and its 100% obvious now copy and pasted. But it has happened to 2Pac songs as well, after his death, and i bet many other artists who passed away. So this alone is not evidence that the track is fake. However, most of us don't believe for a second that the main vocals are Michael's, but at the end of the day, it's our word against Sony/Cascio etc. :(

They are probably gonna admit that they DID copy and paste the 'Oooh oooh ooh' cause they felt it was nessecary for the song, to make it 'better' somehow, but they will STILL simply flat out say...the main vocals ARE Mike's though.
 
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I know "On the line" very well since it's probably my favorite MJ song, but that didn't sound exactly the same. I'm sure a lot of his "hee hees" and "aoww" probably could sound similar on other songs too. I don't think it's safe to assume it's not him on "Monster" when you can only hear a few seconds of it, and there's a voiceover playing on top of it.
 
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Sony should remove the BN video and put up a OMC teaser it would get everyone mind off the problem until they get it fixed.
 
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GinnyJackson said:
I havent heard those. Where can i listen

Edit... Ok i just heard Monster... How the hell can you tell anything wit that woman talking over the entire song?
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but you still can hear the voice well and to me it sounds even less like Michael then Breaking News. except the "oooooh" in the beginnig that is 100% MJ
 
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just a question is the version of "Breaking news" now on Michaeljackson.com different to the version of "Breaking news" released Sunday night/Monday morning?
 
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dangerous dave said:
What is digitally altered? what does that change about the voice
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it means they can make it higher or lower. Mess with the pitch. this is some degree lower then Michaels normal singing voice. 2000watts was pitched lower and we all know this no matter how many times we want to say he was just singing low.
 
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I think it should be posted in a new thread as "reactions/articles on BN". :punk:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wirestory?id=12104627&page=2

New Michael Jackson Song "Breaking' At Radio



NEW YORK (Billboard) - "Breaking News," a preview track from Michael Jackson's forthcoming album "Michael," received instant airplay on more than 150 radio stations on Monday, November 8, following its premiere on Jackson's website.
The song will appear on the King of Pop's first posthumous album of original material, due December 14 on Epic Records. The cut will stream for one week on Jackson's site, where "Michael" is now available for pre-order.
According to industry tracker Nielsen, 151 U.S. stations sampled "Breaking News" yesterday on formats ranging from pop and R&B/hip-hop to adult, rock and oldies. The song received 246 plays in its first day of availability and reached an estimated 2.2 million listeners.
Taxi Productions-owned Adult R&B panelist KJLH/Los Angeles played "Breaking News" once yesterday. "Listener reaction was very mixed," said program director Terri Thomas. "Going forward, I don't think that the song is a hit. I think it's a novelty.
"People miss Jackson, but it's hard to compete with his classics and legacy," said Thomas.
Inner City Adult R&B reporter WBLS/New York likewise played "Breaking News" one time yesterday, lifting the audio from Jackson's site. "Our midday host, Egypt, played the song for listeners and was immediately flooded with calls and texts giving a mixed reaction," said program director Skip Dillard.
"WBLS listeners overall seemed to think that 'Breaking News' sounds 'unfinished' and is not a representation of the level of perfection that Michael sought in his music. Many listeners who responded asked to hear other tracks and said that they'll be interested to hear what else is on the upcoming album."
Both program directors cited the widespread speculation that the track's vocals may not be Jackson's throughout. As previously reported, Sony Music Group said that it has "complete confidence in the results of our extensive research, as well as the accounts of those who were in the studio with Michael, that the vocals on the new album are his own."
"Many listeners questioned whether it really is Jackson on the whole song," said Thomas.
"I had to listen a few times to make sure it was Jackson all the way through," said Dillard. "I could hear his voice but, at times, it sounded as if other voices were used to complete the track."
(Editing by Bob Tourtellotte)
Copyright 2010 Reuters News Service. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
 
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I know that some people were trying to contact Seth Riggs to see what he thought. Has anyone heard from him yet?
 
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It's not the pitch, Ginny. It's the pronunciation and the weak-ass vibrato that are two dead giveaways that it is NOT Michael.

He didn't pronounce words like that, and he NEVER sang a vibrato that weak, not even on a demo. That's not the vibrato of one of the greatest vocalists of all time. That's a vibrato of a white boy trying to sound like one of the greatest vocalists of all time. Period.
 
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GinnyJackson said:
it means they can make it higher or lower. Mess with the pitch. this is some degree lower then Michaels normal singing voice. 2000watts was pitched lower and we all know this no matter how many times we want to say he was just singing low.
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I tried to do that ~100 pages ago (lol) and the verses still sounded nothing like Michael. Though ad-libs really did sound more similar
 
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I hope that the tracks with fake vocals are removed. Oh please, let them be removed.

I THINK that Sony will probably release a statement that goes something like this: It is our belief that these tracks contain real Michael Jackson vocals and we had experts who verified this. However, since the Cascio tracks are causing such controvery, we have decided to remove them from the upcoming album, pending further investigation.

And then they'll disappear into a vault somewhere, never to be heard again (or brought back out with current artists singing them at some point). In a direct sense it doesn't hurt the estate, since it was Sony who purchased them from Cascio (hence the estate not having creative control and McClain and Jackie fighting with Sony over them - the estate only has control of what they hand over Sony, right?) and it's Sony who has to take the hit of millions paid to Cascio for incomplete or outright fake tracks. Over the long haul, though, it does affect the estate. :( Not only would it leave the "it is MJ/ it's not MJ" controversy unspoken for, but it leaves a doubt in the minds of the world about Michael's real songs. Grrrr. I can't believe this is actually happening. What a scandal.

Edit: That freakin' article about radio airplay is seriously disturbing. That's not Michael! Aghghgghgh!
 
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[size=+2]Stop! I cant believe how we're all acting.. I think everyone is just being paranoid.. this has really gotten out of hand guys!! its MJ on these tracks.. i cant believe something we've been waiting so long for has been made into this.. this should be a great time for us, instead we've tuend it into a big conspiracy thing again... its really ridiculous...be grateful we're getting new music.. sony would not put their asses on the line like this.. and when this all gets proven that it really is MJ half of you will still deny it because you will be so ashamed because of all this shit youve said about his voice on these tracks..ur never gonna believe its him because you have insulted him greatly![/size]
 
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I read that the Cascio's have a facebook. Does anyone know what they've been saying about all of this?
 
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This is how I see things: (Lemme copy a text in here that I've also already written on facebook)

Michael's dead, unfortunately. So he can't record anything anymore and he can't record anything the way he would want to record it. That means that we just have to take it as it is fr...om Sony or whoever produces the newer songs that are comin out now after his death. Also think about the fact that maybe Michael couldn't or didn't record this song "Breaking News" completely. Maybe he doesn't have any demo versions to it, only a few parts or maybe he just didn't wanna finish this song and record it as a full version. So that means that there's no other way than the actual one we are having right now because if Michael couldn't record many songs anymore or couldn't finish them and now he can't finish them, either because he's dead, but us fans always want something new - then it is the only solution to take everything what we can take and what we have originally from Mike and try to turn it into something finished somehow. So there's no other way, they have to finish it somehow and to be able to do this they have to get an impersonator to complete the song and have him sing the missing parts MJ didn't finish!
I really don't understand the problem and bad mood of so many fans all around the world...!
 
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I heard there is another version of Breaking news.. "real version" is what someone called it showed me a youtube video of it but was taken off before I clicked on it..

Anyone know where I can hear it?
 
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How could the Estate let Sony go through with this? BN is "dead" to me, i've listened to it maybe 5-6 times. If it was a real MJ song that would not be the case!!

Michael would NEVER have released BN as a single!

Cascio tracks must be removed from the album!!!!!!!!!
 
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Arklove said:
the TRUTH possibly is, this song uses Michael's vocals with obvious background vocals of someone else (we're not used to this, as MIchael pretty much did ALL of his own backing vocals on his songs)
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Oh man, I never even thought of this. Maybe we are all so used to having 10 layers of mikes vocals that when we hear 3 layers of him and another singer it sounds so odd and we claim it as fake?

It's an interesting thought, I still think its all Malachi though.
 
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OK did some research for the 6 leaked snippets in the book "For the record", that contains all the tracks Michael worked on or was rumored to have worked on.

Another Day: Song by Lenny Kravitz confirmed in 2001, in an interview in Blender magazine, he had been working on with Michael - failed to make the final track listing of MIchael's album Invincible - remains unreleased

No Friend Of Mine (Blue Gangster): Song by rapper Tempamental, featuring prominent backing vocals by Michael, made available in late 2006 on Tempamental's 'myspace' web page - originally titled, Gangsta

Much Too Soon: Song Michael wrote circa 1981, and cited by him in his court deposition in November 1993 - remains unreleased

Do You Know Where Your Children Are: Song Michael cited he had written in his court deposition in November 1993 - remains unreleased

Under the "rumored" section of the book I found only Monster with no description whatsoever. Breaking News, All I Need and Carry On are not in the book
 
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wait wait wait am i hearing this right epic records came out and said Michael Jackson new album Michael sold 3 million copies in 3 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:[/FONT]
 
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MJ's family are the kings of claiming "conspiracies" and "cover ups", etc. They have done this in every situation for as long as I can remember.

The problem here is this: When we heard the song, a seed had already been planted in our heads that said "It could be fake", so our guard was up. We went into this with a tainted perception that songs were fake. Now some have taken it to the extreme claiming every song that isn't signature MJ is fake. It's not fair to do that.

I am sitting on the fence, and have seen valid opinions and facts shared from both sides of the argument. I refuse to jump on a train before I know more information. People are acting out of emotion and not logic and refusing to see the big picture. I can't understand why some fans on this board have this massive conspiracy elaborated in their mind from information that may not be correct. Of course the vocals on BN are not signature MJ, but does that mean they aren't him? Time will tell of course. In my opinion, if let's say "Shout" was the lead single and we were in the same situation...many people would claim it to be a fake because it's not signature MJ music. The seed had been planted before.

People have to take into account that MJ was sampling all the time, doing new genres of music with different voices. He loved altering his voice to seem different. He's said it himself many times. That's why I'm not discounting anything right now. I know his vocals ARE on the Cascio tracks, but it also appears that there is someone else singing in them as well. Hopefully when the estate release a statement they will clear this up.

I'm trying not to let this ruin my excitement. If there's 12 songs and only 3 Cascio... that's not bad. We know MJ did work with Cascio, so it only makes sense that these songs will contain some of his vocals. We have to look at it logically. I'm holding off on any attacks and emotional fits until I see the bigger picture in respect to what is going on.

That's all
 
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eStyle said:
This is how I see things: (Lemme copy a text in here that I've also already written on facebook)

Michael's dead, unfortunately. So he can't record anything anymore and he can't record anything the way he would want to record it. That means that we just have to take it as it is fr...om Sony or whoever produces the newer songs that are comin out now after his death. Also think about the fact that maybe Michael couldn't or didn't record this song "Breaking News" completely. Maybe he doesn't have any demo versions to it, only a few parts or maybe he just didn't wanna finish this song and record it as a full version. So that means that there's no other way than the actual one we are having right now because if Michael couldn't record many songs anymore or couldn't finish them and now he can't finish them, either because he's dead, but us fans always want something new - then it is the only solution to take everything what we can take and what we have originally from Mike and try to turn it into something finished somehow. So there's no other way, they have to finish it somehow and to be able to do this they have to get an impersonator to complete the song and have him sing the missing parts MJ didn't finish!
I really don't understand the problem and bad mood of so many fans all around the world...!
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Well, here's my issue with this. I agree with you for the most part, but if a track has less than 50 % of Michael's vocals on them..then I think they should simply be left alone in the vaults..or released later as part of a demos cd. If it has more than 50 % MJ then I think it's ok if they complete it as long as they tell us that they did. But what it appears, and I may be wrong, is that many of these songs, Breaking News in particular, appear have very little if any MJ vocals on them. That's the problem. Because all of a sudden it's not a Michael Jackson song anymore.
 
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I want to hear a stripped version or something so bad so I can reallllly hear the vocals.. I know its been made! where can I hear?
 
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smooth_criminal05 said:
MJ's family are the kings of claiming "conspiracies" and "cover ups", etc. They have done this in every situation for as long as I can remember.

The problem here is this: When we heard the song, a seed had already been planted in our heads that said "It could be fake", so our guard was up. We went into this with a tainted perception that songs were fake. Now some have taken it to the extreme claiming every song that isn't signature MJ is fake. It's not fair to do that.

I am sitting on the fence, and have seen valid opinions and facts shared from both sides of the argument. I refuse to jump on a train before I know more information. People are acting out of emotion and not logic and refusing to see the big picture. I can't understand why some fans on this board have this massive conspiracy elaborated in their mind from information that may not be correct. Of course the vocals on BN are not signature MJ, but does that mean they aren't him? Time will tell of course. In my opinion, if let's say "Shout" was the lead single and we were in the same situation...many people would claim it to be a fake because it's not signature MJ music. The seed had been planted before.

People have to take into account that MJ was sampling all the time, doing new genres of music with different voices. He loved altering his voice to seem different. He's said it himself many times. That's why I'm not discounting anything right now. I know his vocals ARE on the Cascio tracks, but it also appears that there is someone else singing in them as well. Hopefully when the estate release a statement they will clear this up.

I'm trying not to let this ruin my excitement. If there's 12 songs and only 3 Cascio... that's not bad. We know MJ did work with Cascio, so it only makes sense that these songs will contain some of his vocals. We have to look at it logically. I'm holding off on any attacks and emotional fits until I see the bigger picture in respect to what is going on.

That's all
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I agree. Until i hear or some some absolute concrete evidence either way, i'll keep an open mind. I'll be enjoying at least nine songs if there are 12 on the album & the are three Cascio songs.If it is officially announced that Michael is only on part of the songs, we have an educated decision we can make. Either listen to the songs or don't!
 
fxfan;3063424 said:
The people who said it's not MJ voice its your word againts the word of

Teddy Rilley
Frank Dileo
Humberto Gatica
and Sony

I don´t want to sound rude, but they are the experts, not u guys
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*edit*

Yeah, you're right.
 
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smooth_criminal05 said:
I'm trying not to let this ruin my excitement. If there's 12 songs and only 3 Cascio... that's not bad. We know MJ did work with Cascio, so it only makes sense that these songs will contain some of his vocals. We have to look at it logically. I'm holding off on any attacks and emotional fits until I see the bigger picture in respect to what is going on.

That's all
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It is bad. If Sony omits the suspicious ones, I'm cool. So 7 or 9 tracks? Great!
 
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MoeJack said:
Well, here's my issue with this. I agree with you for the most part, but if a track has less than 50 % of Michael's vocals on them..then I think they should simply be left alone in the vaults..or released later as part of a demos cd. If it has more than 50 % MJ then I think it's ok if they complete it as long as they tell us that they did. But what it appears, and I may be wrong, is that many of these songs, Breaking News in particular, appear have very little if any MJ vocals on them. That's the problem. Because all of a sudden it's not a Michael Jackson song anymore.
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I get your point! If it's really like you say or many of us here say or think then I definitely agree - it'd be sad, bad and Sony indeed should tell us somethin' like that before they release the song!
Tho' it could also be that only the backing vocals are from somebody else - just as you said more than 50% of the song would be by MJ then and this'd be ok!

I guess we all just have to wait and see, as always...or just enjoy or not enjoy the song - we can choose this ourselves...!
 
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