Book: Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson in His Final Days / Review @pg8

[Petrarose]

Thank you



While I will not be buying this book, I will be reading the tidbits posted on forums though it does contradict what I said above.

I have a feeling that many fans will be doing the same thing and commenting as well from what is going on in this thread.

 

[Paris78]

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[lil'bit]

By Roger Friedman

http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/05/3...nces-homelessness-and-mysterious-lady-friends

In the last two years of his life, Michael Jackson entertained at least two mysterious lady friends. According to his bodyguards in their chock-full-of-stories book "Remember the Time," the women simply showed up and Jackson knew them. Their code names were "Friend" and "Flower."

The former was "drop dead gorgeous." Jackson would meet her at a Hamptons Inn in Chantilly, Virginia in the summer of 2007 when he and his family were staying on the East Coast. Was she a hooker? Did Jackson pay her? The guards don't know. The girl named "Flower" stayed at a place called- I love this- the Red Fox Inn in Middleburg, Virginia. (You can almost hear Redd Foxx shouting "Here comes the big one!")

Was their, uh, sex involved? With "Friend" in the car, one of the bodyguards drove them to see the Washington Monument at night. "All we heard was smackin' lips behind the curtain," Bill Whitfield and Javon Beard write. Cops in tactical uniforms eventually stopped them and ran the car's plates. It was registered to Michael Jackson. No ticket. But they got autographs.

Two new Michael Jackson books hit stores next week. Only one of them is of much interest. "Remember the Time" is written by the two main bodyguards who were with Jackson from the time he returned from Bahrain in December 2006 until his death on June 25th, 2009. The book should be called "Adventures in Babysitting." Whitfield and Beard have so many good stories that you can't put the book down.

Even if half of them are true, the book is a page turning "Thriller."

Unlike the other book, "Michael Jackson Inc.." which is largely a clip job with a lot of omissions and errors, "Remember the Time" is about as close and personal a collection of original observations that you can get about Jackson during that period. The two guards were with him in Las Vegas, on his circuitous trip to Virginia, Maryland and New Jersey, back to Vegas, and finally, Los Angeles for the preparation of the "This is It" tour.

All the traveling was because Jackson would not return to Neverland after the 2005 trial ended. "It's contaminated by evil," he told his kids.

Not only that, Whitfield and Beard (Whitfield especially) was there was for the arrival of "Doctor" Tohme, all the shenanigans of publicist- turned manager Raymone Bain, and even the recording of the famed Cascio tracks that turned up on the "Michael" album.

There's a lot of great stuff. Michael, they say, was obsessed with Bobby Brown's song "My Prerogative." He wanted to cover it.

A lot of "Remember the Time" has to do with money. Jackson was running out of it, like gas leaking out of a car. The ironic part is that he always had cash stashed away even as his credit cards were being turned down on romps through malls and toy stores. For weeks on end, the men say, they weren't paid, but held on out of loyalty.

The saga of their own paychecks not coming through dovetails with stories I was breaking at the time about Jackson allowing his parents' mortgage to fall into the hands of strangers, of employees at Neverland not being paid, and so on.

A few things of interest to kick us off:

Jackson's credit was so bad that AT&T asked for a $5,000 deposit when he tried to get a cell phone.

Despite refusing to see his family- and their many efforts to see him- Jackson still had father Joe Jackson on his mind. Whenever anyone wronged him, Michael would say: "I should have my father kick their asses," he'd say repeatedly.

Jackson was insulated from bad press. The only paper he read every day was The Wall Street Journal because it was the only place he wouldn't run into Michael Jackson stories. Manager Raymone Bain kept bad stories away from him, and Jackson himself didn't go on the internet.

Jackson was surprised to learn after some time that Raymone Bain wasn't running a big management office for him. Her HQ was her home in Washington DC.

During this period, Jackson relied heavily on L.A. attorney Peter Lopez (who committed suicide in 2010, a year after Jackson died). He would call Lopez and ask him, "Peter I don't know where my money is. Or how much money I have. Can you help me?"

The other lawyer during this time was Greg Cross, of the venerable DC firm Venable LLC. Bain and Venable were constantly squabbling within earshot of the bodyguards about Jackson's perilous finances.

The guards discovered that Jackson had been hoarding Tabasco sauce in his rented Las Vegas home. "A shitload of it," they write. The entire pantry in the kitchen was wall to wall with it.

Michael carried a silver briefcase with him wherever he went containing two Oscars from "Gone with the Wind." He'd paid $1.5 million for them in 1999. They were his "hard asset" in case his back was really against the wall.

They frequently took Michael and his kids out on expeditions. Jackson would be veiled or in costume. One time they passed him off as Prince, the singer. At a Chuck E. Cheese, wily daughter Paris responded "As if" when a parent asked her if her veiled father was Michael Jackson.

In Virginia, the bodyguards say they "lived" at Burlington Coat Factory, buying clothes for themselves and the kids because the summer 2007 trip had gone on longer than anyone imagined.

Michael was constantly asking the bodyguards to inquire about buying crap he saw in stores or malls. He had them plunk down $1,000 for a life size set of "Simpsons" characters he saw in a movie theater lobby.

More to come...

 

[Petrarose]

Roger makes me sick......

We knew those aspects from the book would appeal to him more, anyway. Then again was it necessary for the bodyguards to go into so much depth about Michael's money? Anyone believe Michael did not go on the internet is more of a fool than I thought. I remember the body guards said things like that in that large thread where fans were asking them questions. The thing is they don't know what Michael did with his lap top/computer when he closed the door. It is like Paris saying Michael did not like Candy.

 

[Gold Pants Girl]

These bodyguards aren't the first to say MJ would secretly meet women in hotels, Frank said this in '05, and Dieter said this in '07 as well.

 

[Petrarose]

^^WEll he had to find somewhere where people would not peek at him. If I knew I would offer him my home, then no one would know about it.

 

[ExoticPrincess]

Honestly, I really don't think Michael Jackson's personal, private business should be put out for all to consume. We don't need to know every detail of this mans life.

I just think there is just something morally wrong when people who say they cared about this man have no qualms about dishing him out to the media/public for a quick buck. How could Michael live his life comfortably without worrying about people write about his actions at some point. Best believe if there was no money to be made, there would no book.

I don't think anyone can truly say Michael would appreciate this.

Just my feelings on this matter.

 

[Ashtanga]

These bodyguards are a joke. I do not know if I laugh or cry about the whole thing. But everything is valid to make extra money. These guys are obviously going through trouble and needing money. But again I thinking about the contents of this book and many, many, many questions/observations came into my mind.... Well, but I better keep my mouth shut. :fear:

Anyone believe Michael did not go on the internet is more of a fool than I thought.

People are very naive. :sigh: And sometimes I have the impression that some people think Michael was a caveman who lived inmate/restricted/closed in your world and completely off about what was happening outside. :blink: :doh: Did Michael knew what a computer? *sarcasm*

If I knew I would offer him my home

:rollin:

Honestly, I really don't think Michael Jackson's personal, private business should be put out for all to consume. We don't need to know every detail of this mans life.

I just think there is just something morally wrong when people who say they cared about this man have no qualms about dishing him out to the media/public for a quick buck. How could Michael live his life comfortably without worrying about people write about his actions at some point. Best believe if there was no money to be made, there would no book.

I don't think anyone can truly say Michael would appreciate this.

Just my feelings on this matter.

To me this sounds scary this obsession of people and many fans want to know about what happened and what did not happened in the private life of Michael.:wtf: :crazy: I wonder why it is so difficult for these people who were around Michael to keep his mouth shut about his private life. :blink: No one needs to know anything. -_- :nono:

I admire people like Diana Ross, Bill Bray and Liz Taylor (and many others who probably we have no idea that they were in the private life of Michael) .... They never went public to say anything. What they know will be kept secret forever. I applaud these people standing.

These bodyguards aren't the first to say MJ would secretly meet women in hotels, Frank said this in '05, and Dieter said this in '07 as well.

They shouted to the world about it (maybe Michael have given a scolding these people). Perhaps in an attempt to show that Michael was not gay.... This is ridiculous. Why would anyone need to prove anything. We know he was not. But the most fun about this is that these people shouted out there about women and bla bla bla ... and Michael remained silent moving on with your life. He did not care. He did this throughout his life. He was silent. Michael say something? Would be as put out the fire with gasoline. Why in fact Michael would never come public to say anything about his private life that is not nobody's business and we know we do not have to know anything. The stories keep coming around like an avalanche and private life of Michael remains a great entertainment spectacle for the curious and obsessed with knowing every detail. For me it is insane :blink: .... BUT Ok.... move on with life. :fear:

 

[jamba]

There was a comment on Roger's crap article that says the bodyguards were not with MJ the last 8 months of his life and they were not allowed inside the house either (unless for a very special and rare occasion); they stayed outside in a trailer on the grounds near the entrance gates. The comment says they are lying about a lot of things and that their work with MJ was 21 months and that's it.

I am not happy with them revealing all this stuff and esp.not happy with Roger's article--he has to speculate the MJ was paying these women? Are you freakin kidding me???:bugeyed

 

[etoile 37]

he has to speculate the MJ was paying these women? Are you freakin kidding me???:bugeyed

Of course he had to pay them! It's not like Michael had millions of women throwing themselves at him... :doh:

 

[Petrarose]

^^Well Roger can insinuate and speculate all he wants. Michael was a perfectionist and wanted the best in everything he did & the best for his $$$, so if he paid for what the women had to offer, you can bet he got the best and was satisfied. All power to him!! Go Michael go. I am sick of all their foolishness.

1) We know that Michael did not have to pay a woman for sex. He had millions of women around waiting to do that freely.
2) If it was another man like a rocker and rap artist, Roger would be applauding that they had paid women. Roger is the type that likes to look for something nasty in everything. I guess now he is happy.

No wonder Michael was always hiding what he was doing and where he was. He had no peace from gossipers and peeping Toms!! How did this man pee and take a bath freely in a hotel I don't know!!

Part of me like that the majority of this book is positive, but the other part of me is irritated that the bodyguards spread out all this mans financial life out there for people like Roger to vomit on.

Ivy gave a brief account of part of this book. Is someone else willing to tackle it in its entirety, that is, give an impression of the whole book. I want to know if the positivness of this "masterpiece" outweighs the irritation I have towards them for blasting Michael's financial information out there.

I hate Ron's book more, so if I don't support this book, how will that impact on Ron's book getting more sales and being a bestseller? Ron's book is more negative and shows Michael character and person in a more negative way. It plays more on negative stereotypes of Michael. So if more buy it, would publishers say again that negative MJ books sell, and make it harder for less tabloidish books to be published. I have to really think this thing out.

 

[Tygger]

These authors have told these tales and it is up to readers to interpret it and decide if it is acceptable to their ideal of Michael or not. Simply publishing those tales will NOT make them true.

After reading the article, I am confused how these tales can be considered helpful to Michael at all. “Adventures in Babysitting” indeed! I cannot fault RF as he did not author these tales however; he is understandably very quick to summarize them as they are not complimentary to Michael at all.

Friend/Flower: I stated before that Michael was a man with pride as most men have. A man who has respect for another man would not tell this tale as it reads as RF stated. This tale would not be confused as complimentary and would be seen as professional by most males.

Finances: Michael is portrayed as a man who will make purchases in a willfully spoiled and irresponsible manner and is both aware and unaware of his financial standing depending on which tale is being told at the time. Again, not complimentary.

This is the first time I have ever heard a story where anyone of Michael’s children denied him being their father. A child has to be taught to respond in such a manner and I truly do not believe Michael taught his children to deny him based on whatever situation they were in.

I just think there is just something morally wrong when people who say they cared about this man have no qualms about dishing him out to the media/public for a quick buck.

These bodyguards are a joke. I do not know if I laugh or cry about the whole thing. But everything is valid to make extra money. These guys are obviously going through trouble and needing money.

Agreed! What celebrity has hired these authors knowing they will reveal whatever they know about the client under the guise of somehow humanizing them? They need monies. Unfortunately, tales of Michael, whether fact or fiction, will get them those monies.

I will give RF credit as even he is aware as much as "half” of these tales are most likely fabricated but, he does not state it is mostly for profitable reasons.

I remember when these same authors stated their tales could not be published without “dirt.” I am not willing to purchase dirt that is available in abundance for free.

Not only that, Whitfield and Beard (Whitfield especially) was there was for the arrival of "Doctor" Tohme, all the shenanigans of publicist- turned manager Raymone Bain, and even the recording of the famed Cascio tracks that turned up on the "Michael" album.

laughs

 

[ivy]

This is the first time I have ever heard a story where anyone of Michael’s children denied him being their father. A child has to be taught to respond in such a manner and I truly do not believe Michael taught his children to deny him based on whatever situation they were in.

Well Paris didn't "deny" him as the media and/or you make it sound like.

They were in Chuck E cheese in Virginia (or somewhere like that - it's been a while that I read it so everything won't be exact). Apparently most of the time they made Michael and the kids enter separately to places. Javon enters with the kids and the kids start playing with other kids. Michael and Bill come in a little while later and sit in a booth in the back - so that the other people in the place wouldn't see Michael and Michael could watch his kids play. Paris keeps running to Michael kissing him etc and the girl Paris was playing with sees Michael and screams loudly to her mother that it's Michael Jackson - everybody in the place hears the girl. Michael immediately leaves the place and Bill follows. Javon and MJ's kids stay in the restaurant.. People start discussing whether to believe the girl or not, girl insists she saw MJ. So the girl's mother approaches to Paris and asks if Michael Jackson was her father. Paris replies "I wish". So people believe her, also don't think MJ would be in a Chuck E Cheese in Virginia and no one goes after/near Michael.

I don't see it as "denying" Michael being their father. I see that as being really smart and quick on the spot and saving Michael from a mobbing of people. What do you prefer? That Paris out her father and a whole restaurant full of people to corner him when he only has one bodyguard to protect him (as Javon is watching/protecting the kids)? The kids had experienced who their father is, wearing mask s and how people were always following Michael whenever he is out. So "people follow daddy, they never leave him alone so don't disclose daddy's identity" had probably became a logical thing to do.

I cannot fault RF as he did not author these tales

You can fault him due to his bias. I read the first draft of the book and I'm told there would be edits in the released version but at the first draft there was no mention or even hint of Flower and Friend being hookers and/or paid for sex. I'll check the released version as well but as of now based on the first draft I would say that hooker / paid for sex is RF's doing.

Also if you are reading his articles or tweets you'll see he's desperately trying to trash Xscape (calling it a flop) and trashing Forbes author book in which Michael is portrayed as a businessman. RF prefers to portray him anything but a businessman. So it is his bias that is making him pick or even twist stuff to be not complimentary to Michael. you might remember how I wrote I didn't like the financial / debt aspect as well but the book - in my opinion- portrays Michael wonderfully as a father. I choose to focus on positive, where as RF clearly focusing on the negative. Some people might see it as a mixture.

 

[HIStory]

Why do fans take seriously what Friedman says? Don't we have enough proof already of his hostility towards Michael and how he twists things about him?

For the media it's simply impossible that women can actually be attracted to Michael. I guess they missed his millions of female fans, many of whom do find him attractive. But the media always tried to deny this aspect of Michael, so no wonder if Michael is even allowed to be in an adult, heterosexual relationship in a media portrayal of him, then it has to be with "hookers" or in some other twisted way. I didn't read the BGs book and I do not really intend to as I have my reservations, but RF's article is the first time in any summary I read of the book where Flower and Friend are descriebed as hookers, so it's probably his twist not something that the BGs wrote.

 

[passy001]

RF career has been built on trashing MJ. Before he started reporting on MJ in 1999, he was virtually unknown. When he started working for Fox in 1999/2000, he was given all the resources to haunt down MJ and trash him. the dude would write as many as 4 articles a week, literally trashing MJ at will. as other gossip sites were picking up his sensational articles, his ego would also grow significantly even surpassing his own body weight (RF was a fat rat).

But that ego proved to be his own downfall. So much that one day RF made the unthinkable mistake of trashing a Fox movie in 2008. Immediately Fox dumped his ass over a weekend. and since then he has never recovered. Today he's pretty much a shadow of his former self, and constantly mocked by other gossip dudes in the industry.

His so-called blog isn't getting much readership. people have forgotten about him and moved on to TMZ, E-Online, Radar Online and so on.

RF is just jealous of Zak from Forbes because Zak is getting a lot of adulation, even among fans. RF thinks he is the ultimate MJ connaisseur. so when someone else covers MJ at full length he rushes to show his bitterness. that's the extend of his insecurity.

 

[HIStory]

The only time RF was useful was during the trial but that was only because at the time he actually had some good sources with legit info and access to things like the Mitteager tapes etc.

 

[passy001]

The only time RF was useful was during the trial but that was only because at the time he actually had some good sources with legit info and access to things like the Mitteager tapes etc.

To be honest he's never been useful except to Fox for his sensational stories. The highlight of his career is about vilifying MJ to death. He hasn't made any contribution to mankind or whatsoever.

 

[Justthefacts]

Not only did he trash a fox movie he had the gall to brag about illegally downloading it

 

[Tygger]

Ivy, you have no clue if the Chuck E Cheese tale is fact or fiction and neither do I. We individually can decide if we want to accept it or not. I will maintain that a child has to be taught how to respond in certain situations and I believe Michael did not teach his children to deny him regardless of the situation. You are free to believe these authors and encourage others to purchase the book if you wish as I choose not to do either.

As for RF, I already stated that each reader is free to interpret these tales as they wish and he cannot be blamed for the tale these authors are telling. I had my own interpretation before RF’s article based on your summary as is evident in my previous posts in this thread. RF’s discussing anything about Michael for his own gain does not change the tale these authors tell. RF supports the Cascios and I am truly amazed and humored that one author was present for the recording of those tracks that I know for fact Michael did NOT record.

 

[ivy]

I will maintain that a child has to be taught how to respond in certain situations

yes security concerns. so you think Michael didn't talk to his kids about security and/or his kids weren't able to grasp the security concerns? Book does talk about several security rules that were in place but okay as you wish let's say the kids were clueless.

he cannot be blamed for the tale these authors are telling.

For example if the authors didn't call the women as hookers / paid for sex and that's RF's twist, he could be blamed for the tale he himself is creating.

RF supports the Cascios

and how is that relevant to anything on this discussion?

one author was present for the recording of those tracks

what author? if you are talking about the bodyguards they say in the book they stayed at a hotel, not in the Cascio house and MJ only called them when he wanted to go outside and therefore they weren't really present or inside the house - and don't claim to be present in the book. They knew MJ was recording and in the basement studio but they had no direct information of what he was recording. If RF is claiming they witnessed MJ recording Cascio songs then that's another lie / twist of Friedman.

 

[AliCat]

There is a Chuck E Cheese in Santa Maria, so I'm thinking this was a usual activity for the children all their lives.

Before Michael died, Paris seemed protective of her father when they were out and about, concerning the paps.

When Michael was in Ireland for 6 months, there was video of Michael at a bowling alley with his children and no one seemed to bother him.

The IRS has taken the Estate of Michael Jackson to task concerning how much to charge the Estate around the time Michael died. The Estate has shot back that Michael's popularity wasn't as popular citing only over 800,000+ fan's I think it was a facebook page. When Michael died, his popularity shot through the roof.

Michael is known for putting on disguises when he would go out in public, too. So I just don't know if the story at the pizza parlor is so true.

Then there was the artist that Michael visited in New Mexico and this artist talked about how nobody bothered Michael when he went to a movie and Michael didn't even disguise himself. Meaning...I think Michael could go out in public and people weren't always going to attack him. Randy Phillips testified about how Michael got so intoxicated before the Press conference, partly because he was afraid of the public's perception of him. You can even see how elated Michael was when he did go to the Press conference to announce his final Shows for the 02 Arena in July of 2009.

Paris had just turned 11 when her father died. She would have been 9 when this event took place at the Chuck E Cheese in Virginia. Would she have been capable to comprehend people's motives? What happened to Paris after her father died leads one to believe she wasn't capable.

That's why it's hard to believe any of these stories. I can see why Roger even alluded to the two women mentioned at to being prostitutes because of the time factor. How the only time they are mentioned is only in Virginia, which was such a short time, while Michael was living his vagabond lifestyle. Was this why there was mention of Michael finding money to buy gifts for these two women, but Michael wouldn't pay his hired help, the bodyguard's? It was an interesting perspective coming from Roger!

 

[ivy]

Ivy, you have no clue if the Chuck E Cheese tale is fact or fiction and neither do I.

There is a Chuck E Cheese in Santa Maria, so I'm thinking this was a usual activity for the children all their lives.

on Oprah Paris said “Chuck E. Cheese was one of our most favourite places to go,”. So yeah I would think that it was a usual activity.

When Michael was in Ireland for 6 months, there was video of Michael at a bowling alley with his children and no one seemed to bother him.

According to his driver at that time

"A guy came in to deliver pizza and he looked over and...he said to the woman [working there]: 'Is that Michael Jackson over there?' And the woman said to him: 'No, no that's a guy from Tullamore who thinks he's Michael Jackson, we just let him go on about his business, we never question him.'

"And the delivery man said: 'Ah yeah, of course. Sure what would Michael Jackson be doing in a bowling alley in Tullamore!'

So the reason that people left Michael alone in both instances (bowling and chuck e.cheese) was someone (whether the worker of bowling alley or Paris) convinced people it was not MJ and people had hard time believing MJ would be in such place. If someone had confirmed it was indeed MJ, the outcome would have been different.

I can see why Roger even alluded to the two women mentioned at to being prostitutes because of the time factor. How the only time they are mentioned is only in Virginia, which was such a short time, while Michael was living his vagabond lifestyle. Was this why there was mention of Michael finding money to buy gifts for these two women, but Michael wouldn't pay his hired help, the bodyguard's? It was an interesting perspective coming from Roger!

there isn't much logic to Roger's claims. First Michael was buying gifts and not giving them money. and they claimed he only bought gifts to Friend and not Flower. Second bodyguards claimed both women were European and/or came from overseas. So what then? There's a shortage of hookers in USA? and There's a special European hookers that accept gifts and not money? and even more special European hookers that work for free? and Michael wanted to take Friend to see the Lincoln memorial. So according to Roger, Michael is paying these women for sex and he's also taking them to historical sightseeing trips. Is that it? where's the logic in that?


I get it that some people don't like this book and that's fine but it shouldn't be a reason to accept everything RF says. You can hate the book and still call RF out on his BS.

Ps: I give RF credit for being one of the few journalists in 2005 who wrote about MJ's innocence however that doesn't mean I cannot question other things he writes, his bias and some stuff he twists and even creates on his own.

 

[Gold Pants Girl]

Did the bodyguards say in the book they only saw friend and Flower in Virginia? Because they had previously mentioned or alluded to this also happening in Vegas.

 

[HIStory]

When Michael was in Ireland for 6 months, there was video of Michael at a bowling alley with his children and no one seemed to bother him.

The IRS has taken the Estate of Michael Jackson to task concerning how much to charge the Estate around the time Michael died. The Estate has shot back that Michael's popularity wasn't as popular citing only over 800,000+ fan's I think it was a facebook page. When Michael died, his popularity shot through the roof.

Michael is known for putting on disguises when he would go out in public, too. So I just don't know if the story at the pizza parlor is so true.

Then there was the artist that Michael visited in New Mexico and this artist talked about how nobody bothered Michael when he went to a movie and Michael didn't even disguise himself. Meaning...I think Michael could go out in public and people weren't always going to attack him. Randy Phillips testified about how Michael got so intoxicated before the Press conference, partly because he was afraid of the public's perception of him. You can even see how elated Michael was when he did go to the Press conference to announce his final Shows for the 02 Arena in July of 2009.

I'm not quiet sure what your point is by citing random things such as Michael's popularity on Facebook before he died, but if it is that Michael's popularity was so low in the years before his death that he could go out without a disguse and no one would bother or even notice him, therefore the BGs story is not credible, that is just wrong. These videos were made in April 2009. It's obvious that there was never a time in Michael's life since he was 11, when he could go out without the danger of getting noticed and mobbed:

Yes, sometimes he went out in disguse, but sometimes he went out without a disguise. That varied.

Like I said earlier I have my reservations about this book and I do not plan to buy it, but I agree with Ivy about this.

I get it that some people don't like this book and that's fine but it shouldn't be a reason to accept everything RF says. You can hate the book and still call RF out on his BS.

Just because we do not like the book let's not pretend that Friedman, who has his own anti-MJ agenda with some of the things he says, makes sense or is right to interpret things in the story which are not there.

Plus, while I am not sure about each and every story in the book, but it's a fact that these BGs did work for Michael, so I'm sure that they have many real and true stories in that book.

 

[AliCat]

Even though there are times when the paps were out in full force, after Michael made the announcements and how quickly the tickets were sold for the Shows at the 02 Arena, in London, starting in July of 2009.

The reason for the original 10 Show's was because nobody knew, not AEG Live nor Michael Jackson himself about his popularity and if anyone still cared.

It's why it got crazy again. Michael was still popular and why Tom Barrack of Colony Capital banked on saving "Neverland," because he believed an artist like Michael Jackson was an investment that would pay off. Tom Barrack personally calls Philip Anschutz to put Michael back to work.

This is what I was alluding to. Bringing bits and pieces to the fore to go back to a central point and gather up the past to see if Paris and Michael fit the bodyguard's scenario. Gotta a problem with that do ya!

 

[HIStory]

Even though there are times when the paps were out in full force, after Michael made the announcements and how quickly the tickets were sold for the Shows at the 02 Arena, in London, starting in July of 2009.

The reason for the original 10 Show's was because nobody knew, not AEG Live nor Michael Jackson himself about his popularity and if anyone still cared.

It's why it got crazy again. Michael was still popular and why Tom Barrack of Colony Capital banked on saving "Neverland," because he believed an artist like Michael Jackson was an investment that would pay off. Tom Barrack personally calls Philip Anschutz to put Michael back to work.

This is what I was alluding to. Bringing bits and pieces to the fore to go back to a central point and gather up the past to see if Paris and Michael fit the bodyguard's scenario. Gotta a problem with that do ya!

I still don't see how any of this points to the BGs story about Chuck E Cheese not being true. What does Colony Capital and Neverland have to do with anything? What do the 10 initial O2 shows have to do with anything? Are you saying that MJ only got noticed, bothered and mobbed by people again after the announcement in March?

Then let's see a video from 2008:

Again, if your point is that MJ's popularity was so low that it's not plausible to believe he would have been noticed, bothered or mobbed then you are very much wrong - it's enough to watch any of those videos.

 

[AliCat]

Yes it is true that Michael hired bodyguard's to protect him, but I still think when the paps weren't tipped off in LA, Michael wasn't always noticed.

David Nordahl the artist that I mentioned above stated this, too.

Surprise visit to Santa Fe

Nordahl grew close to all three. Typically, the artist spent time with the Jackson brood on the West Coast. But over Memorial Day weekend in 2004, the star and his tykes surprised Nordahl by visiting Santa Fe via Jackson's plush private bus (with a 60-inch plasma TV). Jackson suggested a movie outing.

"I thought we were going to a screening room," Nordahl says. "His driver pulled into DeVargas Mall. He was friends with (Roland Emmerich), the director of The Day After Tomorrow, and it was opening weekend. The mall was jammed, and there was no place to park. I took the kids, got the tickets and popcorn, and we went in. Michael came in after the lights went down.

"The lights came up, and nobody noticed him. He had on a baseball cap and these Chinese silk pajamas. The kids had no masks on. Any of those rags would have paid $100,000 for that picture."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-08-20-jackson-paintings_N.htm

Yep, nobody noticed the famous Michael Jackson at an opening weekend at a crowed mall in Santa Fe, New Mexico, movie theater!

 

[Gold Pants Girl]

Michael has gone out many times over the years without bodyguards and gone unnoticed or without people bothering him, when he was married to LM they use to go grocery shopping together on a weekly basis without security and people mostly left him alone. There have been lots of stories of this over the years.

Paris denying to someone that asked if MJ is her father wouldn't surprise me, she has seen all her life how people react and mob him, she's wasn't a dumb kid. Not saying this story is true, but her supposed response is no surprise to me.

 

[xrisx]

There was a comment on Roger's crap article that says the bodyguards were not with MJ the last 8 months of his life and they were not allowed inside the house either (unless for a very special and rare occasion); they stayed outside in a trailer on the grounds near the entrance gates. The comment says they are lying about a lot of things and that their work with MJ was 21 months and that's it.

I am not happy with them revealing all this stuff and esp.not happy with Roger's article--he has to speculate the MJ was paying these women? Are you freakin kidding me???:bugeyed

See I have been wondering about this. Is there any mention in the book about the trips Michael took in the last years? Like when he went to Japan for that fan event or when he was doing the photoshoots? Or London in 2007?
Where these guards around for that?
So far the previews seem to be very much about a specific time like the time spend in Virginia and Las Vegas.

 

[AliCat]

Yeah I think both Michael and Lisa were surprised that the paps never picked up on them when they were dating. They said they had been all over the place and nobody noticed.

I'm still on the fence that seven year old Paris would say something. The pictures of her out with her Dad with no mask, when someone was taking their picture, has that look of an alarm that would go off. So that protectiveness I can see that. Do I transfer that to a patron at a local pizza parlor recognizing her father out in public, that same protectiveness, I am trying to wrap my head around that one. Shrugging my shoulders.

There are fan's who have met Michael when the paps weren't around and have talked about this. It was how they got to know Michael and his children better, especially around 2007. By October of 2008, contact with Michael become more limited, till his death.