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Book: Remember the Time: Protecting Michael Jackson in His Final Days / Review @pg8

AliCat said:
Mark Lester says Michael was too shy around women. Lester: 'Jackson Found Sex Difficult' "We had conversations on the telephone and Michael was very shy when it came to women and he confided in me that he found it very difficult to actually do the sexual act.
Read more: Lester: 'Jackson Found Sex Difficult' http://www.contactmusic.com/news/lester-jackson-found-sex-difficult_1113596?track=cp


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So...who should I believe? Michael Jackson's long time friend or the short term employed bodyguard's?
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^^^ Yeah but in that same article, he claims to be Michael's sperm donor and possibly Paris' father??? But I thought Michael and Debbie conceived naturally? So was Michael lying and Mark Lester telling the truth??? Like what many have said, the stories seem to be all over the place when Michael is at the center... :no:
 
Martin Bashir asked Michael Jackson if he preferred making love to climbing trees or water balloon fights and Michael said NO!


...around 13:10


Michael Jackson is 'Peter Pan' in his heart, childlike, remember!
 
AliCat;3989122 said:
So...who should I believe? Michael Jackson's long time friend or the short term employed bodyguard's?
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Indeed!!!!!


I suggest you are free to believe either or neither. The bodyguards and Lester have both used their relationship with Michael for their own profitable gain like so many others before them and the many who will follow. Neither is more trustworthy than the other.

The tale one believes is based on their ideal of Michael. Neither parties’ endless tales for pay have been confirmed to be fact and most likely never will. Their tales are purposely designed that way.

By all means, do not pay attention to Michael's words. Michael had an image to project and protect. Fortunately (or unfortunately depending on how one views it) there are those who had relationships with Michael - personal and professional - and are willing to publicized what Michael was fiercely protecting for the right price.
 
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How on earth the conversation on this thread ended up MJ dealing with luxury prostitution?
I haven't read the book yet, but according to Ivy's review there was nothing as such in the book?
Now I most definitely buy the book, it is just too juicy to pass:D

Seriously guys, the reason MJ meeting his girlfriend(s) in a hotel could be because there were paps around his hotel/house he was staying so gf wouldn't have been secret for long.


Btw, MJ was human despite being KOP:D
He is allowed to be nasty, drink, smoke, eat unhealthy food, and have women if he desired so.
If any of those things above doesn't fit your own projection of MJ, tough-_-
 
There are several other fan boards that have threads about this topic. And they are all hilarious, eye rolling, head shaking and filled Wtf comments.
 
The bodyguard's call one of the mysterious women a 'bombshell.'

Rita Hayworth is a bombshell and I'll bet the mysterious women were as pretty as this, which is why Michael choose the look of Rita Hayworth in his upcoming Shows, "This Is It."


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Bubs said:
How on earth the conversation on this thread ended up MJ dealing with luxury prostitution?
I haven't read the book yet, but according to Ivy's review there was nothing as such in the book?
Now I most definitely buy the book, it is just too juicy to pass:D

Seriously guys, the reason MJ meeting his girlfriend(s) in a hotel could be because there were paps around his hotel/house he was staying so gf wouldn't have been secret for long.


Btw, MJ was human despite being KOP:D
He is allowed to be nasty, drink, smoke, eat unhealthy food, and have women if he desired so.
If any of those things above doesn't fit your own projection of MJ, tough-_-
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Right!! No one read the book except Ivy so far, but let's all ignore that! I guess this is the same technique the tabloids use to write their stories. It is almost as though some rather keep that unhealthy idea of Michael as sexless and inhuman at any cost even if they have to find all kinds of misconstrued or circumspect statements to back it up. Poor Michael...he can't even visit a woman in peace without it being seen as something utterly bad and negative.
 
For those against this book and don't want to read it....

Please don't come in here after it's published to read what we are saying about it and posting info from it - to turn around and read everything that's in the book on this thread... just to come in here to criticize us for reading it.

Thanks.:D
 
PurdyYungThang84 said:
^^^ Yeah but in that same article, he claims to be Michael's sperm donor and possibly Paris' father??? But I thought Michael and Debbie conceived naturally? So was Michael lying and Mark Lester telling the truth??? Like what many have said, the stories seem to be all over the place when Michael is at the center... :no:
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Lester is yet another opportunist. To me, him saying that Michael was too shy comes across as a means of making his claim of being Paris' father sound more legit. Because if Michael was too shy there's NO WAY he could've made a baby with a woman! :smilerolleyes: I say ignore him.

Virre said:
I now noticed fans (not all) see Michael as someone who pursued luxury prostitution :doh: and they think it's cool etc. Fans are okay with that but not with him smoking at times..

And still it's not a problem with Michael having women in his life. It's just that this time it contradict what Paris has told fans. Or this with the hotel happened in 2007 and then he got the woman to meet his children and become someone in the family that stayed with them from time to time. I wonder if they say that too in their book?
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Whoa, whoa, whoa... where did this thing about Michael smoking come from? :blink: And what was he smoking? Cigarettes? Weed?

As for Michael having women in his life, I think he reached a point where he just said "**** it" and started dating around, possibly even sleeping around. As much as I despise pig-headed behavior like that in a man, I think he earned it. With all the shit he had to put up with in his life I wouldn't blame him at all if he had let himself go.

Never heard the thing about Paris before. When and where did she say this?
 
It's hard for me to believe Michael smoked given the state of his voice but even if he did so, (if true) so what? Why chastise him?

Also if he didn't want to have a steady gf and just having casual relationships, so what as well! According to Ivy, that topic is not widely discussed anyway.
 
Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
It's hard for me to believe Michael smoked given the state of his voice but even if he did so, (if true) so what? Why chastise him?
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Cause it's not healthy? Well, tobacco stuff isn't healthy anyway. I know there's e-cigarettes but I don't know how common they were when he was still alive. I can easily see him smoking marijuana though, since it's safer and could have helped treat his insomnia. You're right though, we shouldn't chastise him and I don't think anyone means to. I think we're all just concerned for his health during that time.
 
I read the book. Interesting bits: The bodyguard said the Friend's name is Joanna, who joined the bodyguard at the LA Memorial on July 7, 2009. Don't know the last name.

I thought it may be Joanna Thomae, but the body guard described her as "This woman was drop-dead gorgeous. She had dark, curly hair that sort of hung in her face a bit. Petite, about five foot four. Nice body. Real slender. "

But Joanna Thomae is blonde, right?

Anyway, I'm just curious. LOL.
 
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AliCat;3989122 said:
Mark Lester says Michael was too shy around women. Lester: 'Jackson Found Sex Difficult' "We had conversations on the telephone and Michael was very shy when it came to women and he confided in me that he found it very difficult to actually do the sexual act.
Read more: Lester: 'Jackson Found Sex Difficult' http://www.contactmusic.com/news/lester-jackson-found-sex-difficult_1113596?track=cp

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So...who should I believe? Michael Jackson's long time friend or the short term employed bodyguard's?
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It seems he had no difficulties together with Lisa Marie and probably other women too.
Maybe he wanted a real relation before the sexual act.

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I think the fact that they discuss mj's private life and love affairs is great, it's not about indiscretion, i think at least one woman should get out of the anonyma and restablish mj's image to the whole world one for all, i mean well.. the only thing people think is strange about him is this side of his life because when someone argue with you why they don't like him it's because they think about 2005. If that would be done, it would change a lot of things i think. Even if for me personally and us all here we don't need proofs anymore.
 
Here's about as accurate as I could find on Joanna Thomae -

"Why do people waste time on this fan! She didn't sleep with Michael. She and some other fans stayed inside Neverland for a few days while Michael was in Miami with the Arvizo family.

She slept with his assistant Frank Casio (Tyson) in MJ's hot tub and got caught by a staff member who told Michael when he returned. Michael was disappointed in her and expressed that to her. He then told her in the politest way possible to get a life. She left Neverland and was placed on Tv to say it was Michael she slept with (at the same time she was trying to launch a modelling career). I think you'll find Dieter Wiezner put her on TV and was possibly even trying to be her manager.

She was a fan that got close like most of my friends. She had many pictures taken with MJ and sadly Used those as weight that she was 'involved'. Every picture bar one or two pictures were fleeting moments outside a shop etc. Michael was fuming with her but I have never heard of Michael publically denying any relationship with her I only ever recall him being upset that she would lie like that and on TV specially with him going through what he was going through and she was subsequently barred from ever being allowed inside Neverland again.

I think you'll find she was eventually banned from ever returning to the USA as she had overstayed her Visa and 'disappeared'.

She, in the last two or three weeks gave birth to a son as well.

If anyone is interested about my info, Joanna is friends with friends of mine. The nfo above has been posted on other forums by other people who knew her yet SOME people chose to ignore it and continue to spread the story because it fitted in with their own fantasies of Michael being this Pimp that ****ed anything and everything."

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Believe me or not, but Joanna is quite common and not unusual name at all:doh:
Joanna, the one bodyguards are talking about is not necessary the same Joanna one fans knows already.
Maybe MJ had a things for the women named Joanna:scratch:
 
TBH, I don't really care to know all the details what Michael did or didn't do with different companions and if one them dared to come out, she'd haunted and harnessed by media and paparazzi 'til no end. As long as he was happy with his choices, I'm glad for him, plus I'm also glad the idiotic gay rumors stopped.
 
Mkgenie, I did a Google search. Of all of the female names these authors could have used, they chose this one!

Priceless (and humorous)!
 
Magicwonderland said:
I think the fact that they discuss mj's private life and love affairs is great, it's not about indiscretion, i think at least one woman should get out of the anonyma and restablish mj's image to the whole world one for all, i mean well.. the only thing people think is strange about him is this side of his life because when someone argue with you why they don't like him it's because they think about 2005. If that would be done, it would change a lot of things i think. Even if for me personally and us all here we don't need proofs anymore.
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^^That would not help with 2005 since most P are heterosexual males.
 
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Gold Pants Girl said:
It looks like some fans have a hard time accepting that MJ wasn't actually Peter Pan.
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No -_-, he was not Peter Pan, he was not a saint, he was not an asexual as I've seen a lot of people say or anything else. Michael was a normal man like any man on the planet and everyone knows it. :coffee:

What people have a big problem is that the private life of Michael was fiercely dissected. It is not our business to know how many women he had, the name of these women, the physical description of these women, how many women attended his bed, if he smoked, if he drank it :blink: and the worst and most tragic... Know about his finances :doh: :wtf2 and bla bla bla..... Why the hell we have to know about it? :busted: :doh: :sigh:

Not fair to me for the simple fact of knowing that Michael fought fiercely to keep his private away from the public eye and the media spotlight. As I said, if he wanted the world to know, he would write his autobiography. But he did not and only shared what was needed the public know. But I know and everybody knows that this kind of thing will never stop. Books will continue to be published with thousands of stories to continue sharpening the desire/curiosity of people to know more and more and people will keep opening my mouth to tell their stories, what they saw, what they heard and so remain an avalanche of stories. :bugeyed

The desire to dissect, dig more and find out what happened and what did not happen in the private life of Michael will continue to be assisted/discussed with much curiosity by people as a spectacle of entertainment. :sigh: Those who are curious will buy these books and spend neurons to dissect, dig, find out if it's a lie, if it is true and bla bla bla... :smilerolleyes: :fear: Who do not give a damn about these kinds of books and these people will ignore and move on with life. :coffee:

I just feel sorry for Michael :( .... so careful to keep his private life away from the spotlight was no avail and it was in vain :doh: .... In reality, discuss such private issues of Michael's life is in vain, useless and not going anywhere. :coffee:

It's more interesting and coherent enjoy the beautiful memories that people have about Michael as a father, as a friend, as a boss, as a brother, as a son, his humanitarianism, his kindness, dissect/dig his art and learn more about the artist Michael. Their privacy? :unsure: :beee: Does not matter -_- .... and is not nobody's business. :nono: :coffee:

Michael need have peace :pray: ... thing he never had in his life. *big sigh*
 
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mkgenie said:
I read the book. Interesting bits: The bodyguard said the Friend's name is Joanna, who joined the bodyguard at the LA Memorial on July 7, 2009. Don't know the last name.

I thought it may be Joanna Thomae, but the body guard described her as "This woman was drop-dead gorgeous. She had dark, curly hair that sort of hung in her face a bit. Petite, about five foot four. Nice body. Real slender. "

But Joanna Thomae is blonde, right?

Anyway, I'm just curious. LOL.
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and that's why I wrote in my review "the name will remind you of someone but the description will not fit". (Joanna T. is not only blonde but she has straight hair and she's taller than 5' 4"). Plus Joanna was a very popular name in 80s and Anna and variations (ana, anne, hanna, joanna) have been very popular in Europe. Btw they state that some names are changed or withheld to protect people's identities. so that's not the real name IMO. Also the copy we got wasn't the final version.
 
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